I've been modding since starcraft at age 9, and over all I've worked on maybe 800 mods in my life. Sometimes small shit like bug testing, sometimes entire standalones. As far as I'm concerned modding is the best thing about pc gaming; graphics come and go but we're talking about thousands of hours of content, for free.
After everything I've learned about modding and the modding community I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that what valve is doing right now will kill modding.
Think about the guy that made SKSE for example; every worthwhile skyrim mod uses SKSE. How much do you think the creator of SKSE is going to be compensated when someone uses his mod for their mod and makes thousand of dollars? Not a single cent. How do you think that's going to make him feel? Why would he even bother to support his mod anymore when people are making thousands of dollars off his hard work? He won't.
Modders are already pulling their mods from nexus to make money off steam.
This thread is not for crying and bitch, we need to organize and do something before it's too late.
Email:
[email protected]
[email protected]
Sign the petition:
https://www.change.org/p/valve-remove-the-paid-content-of-the-steam-workshop
Uninstall Steam if you can.
Do not use this thread to shitpost shitposters, don't turn into another GG, be constructive by trying to come up with ways on how to get the message across.
>>291926049
agree
>>291926425
Go send those emails anon, I just finished one myself.
>>291926049
>Uninstall Steam
well I have almost 450 games on steam, I think I'll just send that fat fuck gaben an angry email
>>291926049
I hope valve gets their shit together like EA. EA was shit now valve and EA switched spots yet less people play on origin even though it seems like a better service
>>291926949
Then do it.
But realistically you know 430 of those games are free, bundled garbage you had no intention of playing or indie trash and odds are you've played the other 20 to death anyway
But either way, that's what I said "if you can"
Personally I'm working on a dota 2 mod, and I can't leave my team hanging.
What happened to the Valve who actually made games and prided themselves on how moddable they were, how they would release updates even 14 years after launch, and would always release new content for free?
>>291927101
Please lets not turn it into one of those things, people will assume you're trolling and use it to adamantly defend valve by calling this EA shilling.
This is not about shilling, this is about stopping pc gaming from going to shit immediately.
They are just preparing for the buckets of money to be made from DotA 2/ Source 2 mods. I mean come on, Skyrim mods are old hat. They are just getting everyone used to the idea first.
>>291927612
No shit, which is why we need to stop it NOW before dota 2 becomes another SC2.
>>291927695
What I'm saying though, is that I don't think paying for mods is going to reach beyond Valves own games. And they can put in whatever shitty system they want with their own games, nothing we can do about that, as proven by TF2/CSGO.
so now that gaming is dead what should I move to now
>>291928202
> is that I don't think paying for mods is going to reach beyond Valves own game
It's starting on a non-valve game you idiot, this is the worst argument ever.
>>291930237
Did you read my previous post, you idiot? It's starting on a non Valve game with lots of mods, but outdated, to ease us into the idea. Consumer won't stand for it in the long run on other games, but Valve will continue to do whatever the hell they want with their own games regardless of backlash, as exemplified by TF2/CSGO.
I don't mind if they let modders charge for mods, it's nice that modders get a way to get compensated. But some of these guidelines are ridiculous. And it's absolute bullshit that you can't play mods that you've been subscribed to for years.
>>291930741
Anon the entire problem hinges on this system's success.
If it's successful TES6 will outright use it, that right there ruins the most modable franchise in pc gaming. Worse yet they'll probably tie it to only work with workshop mods so there goes free sex mods too.
Valve is only letting bethesda do this to see how big the backlash is. If this doesn't succeed for bethesda valve won't do it, but if it does valve will.
If both bethesda and valve are doing it there's no reason for developers NOT to get on the gravy train.
>>291926049
>we need to organize
Lma-no. That last time people here tried to organize moot left
>>291931454
That's part of the reason I want to do it anon, I want to prove to moot that we can still work together to accomplish common goals against greater evils.
I want to prove to moot that we're not just a bunch of shitflinging apes who only have 2 meme arguments and fanfiction to spur our tumblr crusade.
I want to prove to moot that /v/ isn't the second worst board on 4chan!
>>291931454
No more gawker shekels for him.
Poor goy ;_;
>>291931319
DotA2 Source 2 is on the verge of releasing. This is 100% about Valve, if it works for other devs that's just icing on the cake for valve as always, but huge amounts of profit will be coming from DotA2 since their is no pub cut.
>>291931885
They aren't really expecting to make mad profits off this on skyrim from this, that's just gravy to them.
But I can tell you if there's massive backlash from this valve will not release paid dota 2 mods, they're using bethesda as a scapegoat.
>>291931751
you have my sword
>>291926049
PETITION RACE XDD
I want to stop using steam but I have too many games on it
Fuck
>Consoleplebs trying to falseflag valve
>Masterrace Steam
>Bad
>Gaben
>Bad
Am I the only one who sees the fucking problem here?
>>291932582
The trap is real, and we thought we were winning when we were picking up all those shitty $1 indie bundles.
>>291932038
Paid DotA 2 mods was the plan all along is what I'm saying though! Any monkey could see consumers will hate this, better to introduce it on a 3 year old game than the real money maker!
>>291932703
>not buying two copies so you get a fix when HB switch to some other platform
For games that require steam to use, since I have the game already installed could I just download a crack and apply it? I don't want to lose muh games but I fucking hate steam
>>291926049
>Valve gives modders the option to get some money for their hard work
>/v/ gets mad
Reminder that there's absolutely nothing wrong with any of this and that /v/'s only mad because they never have money to spend on anything.
>>291926049
>mfw this is the first step to in house dev/publisher for profit modding units
>mfw patches and mods will become like DLC is now
>>291933139
Someone's assmad
>>291933139
>their hard work
You mean the engine and assets that someone else coded from 0 and that they are using for free?
Or perhaps you mean their "creativity" in copying armors and weapons made in movies and other games?
>>291933139
>25% cut
Oh yea this sure is pro modder you fucking shill
>>291933243
why would they have to do that? people will already pay for DLC
>>291933351
Marketing, anon. It opens up a whole new avenue of business even though it's basically the same as DLC; you'll have companies charging for "unnecessary" DLC (which some consumers still won't go for), but they'll also be able to charge for "mods" ("unofficial"-official paid modifications for games) and necessary patches and updates. I'm actually surprised they haven't started doing this sooner.
>>291932906
Depends, if it only uses steamworks DRM then 100% yes all the time, the crack is just a steam dll and an ini file, and you can write the ini file yourself it only has the game's exe and save location in it.
If the game has some sort of other drm you'll need a second crack, but there's no such thing as an uncrackable game if it's singleplayer.
>>291933291
Gamedevs use PCs created by other people to develop their games, maybe they should start doing it for free ;)
What's sad is this is just the same whenever google fucks around with Youtube
People are going to be angry for a few days then move on or not care anymore
>>291933685
Straw harder since you have no arguments :)
>>291933752
>My logic only applies to what I want
>>291933728
Because it's not worth being mad about
/v/ is never mad about anything that actually means shit
>>291933607
sounds terrifying
>>291933728
The difference is that this has far reaching repercussions.
If you don't understand what a slipper slope is or how it has fucked gaming in the ass REPEATEDLY for the last decade then you are clearly too new to be here.
>>291932131
and my bodypillow
>>291934309
if even one slippery slope argument had ever been true, ever in the history of humanity, we'd all be living in literal hell right now
>>291934309
Letting people get profit for content they create is always a good thing, unless you are a commie.
>>291926049
>Modders are already pulling their mods from nexus to make money off steam.
I keep hearing this parroted but I see no examples.
>>291927192
They realized they can monetize user content and not do jack shit.
>>291934463
>>291934463
It's a slippery slope, anon
The more people think things are going wrong, the more they don't think about the things that are going right instead
>>291934670
>Not understanding that /v/ is full of fearmongering shills
>>291934463
Anon althought I agree completely that it's rarely true in the real world it is always true in gaming, practically to the point that it should have a wikipedia page dedicated to it with a name in the vein of <Bell laboratories engineer's name>'s Law.
The only thing that putting up with shit in gaming gets you is the developer's realization that you aren't willing to fight for yourself and they can do whatever they want to you.
Capcom went from character dlc to day 1 dlc to microtransaction cheats over the course of 3 years because everybody kept saying it was fine.
>>291934465
>25% cut
Hmm just like communism, let the lowly do the work and I'll let them!
>>291934463
>we'd all be living in literal hell right now
and here we are
>>291934465
Mods were outright communist for the better part of 4 decades, fuck you if your stupidity is the catalyst for why that changes.
I come offering an alternative to this bullshit, one we can email/petition towards Valve if anyone else likes it.
What about, instead of directly selling mods, mods can have pay-what-you-want (minimum one dollar) "donation" button that buys you an exclusive steam trading card for that mod, with a small chance of it being a foil card. Certain cards can be combined into badges (basically mod collections would make up a "set" of cards), giving a large amount of XP and the obligatory shitty wallpapers and emotes and so on. Meanwhile, modders would also take a small cut of card sales on the steam marketplace, which would probably generate a lot of money thanks to Valve's ability to create artificial value for pointless shit.
Mods are still free, modders still get money, and the internal steam economy is strengthened. Plus people get to feel good about supporting modders rather than being forced to.
>>291926049
I would like to ask you, what do you do for a living to make money? Do you enjoy it?
>>291934949
I'm not convinced you know how communism works
I'm not convinced you know how capitalism works
>>291926049
>before it's too late.
It's already too late. How many people are going to abandon their 200+ Steam games for the sake of... integrity?
If gamers had an integrity, microtransactions and DRM never would have become widespread. If people who played videogames had any self-control, Gabe wouldn't have even suggested this. But he knows that you don't, you're tied to Steam anyway, and that you'll bitch about this for a month or two before sighing and throwing another $100million his way.
>waaaah give me free things waaah I deserve other peoples work for freee!!!!!
these threads are fucking killing me
>>291935058
im not convinced niggers are human
>>291934465
This is more like a theocracy
>Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
No says valve, it belongs to us.
No says bethesda, it belongs to us.
>>291935058
I know how communism works in theory, and how it really works.
Have fun with your paid fanfiction!
MASTER RACE MASTER RACE MASTER RACE
>>291934720
>>291934992
yeah, yeah, i should have seen that coming
>>291926049
While I understand the mod-creators wanting to be compensated for their work, the fact of the matter is that this is no doubt just another money grab by Valve. The Steam shop gets flooded with shovelware and mobile ports and I think, "Eh, no biggie." Cosmetic DLC and virtual trading cards and, "Eh, no biggie." But convincing people to pay for mods under the guise of, "We're trying to help out the content creators!"? What a load of shit.
>>291935316
>steam is masterrace
could plebs shovel more evidence of their uneducation unto me
>make a horrible pandering youtube channel
>open a patreon
>play flavor of the month on twitch
>make shitty mods and sell them on steam
YOU CAN BE RICH STARTING TOMORROW
OR YOU CAN BE A RESPECTABLE MAN EARNING AN HONEST LIVING
WHICH PATH DO YOU CHOOSE
>>291933861
You don't even understand what you are talking about m8, stop embarassing yourself
>>291935492
I CHOOSE CHAOS
>>291935005
Send this to GabeN, anon. Emphasize that it's an optional function.
>uninstall steam
As if. I'm too busy bullying submissive faggots. Steam is my life. I'm too sucked in. Someone fucking save me. It's captured the essence of my soul... This is a cry for help. There is no fucking way out.
>>291935802
>>291935802
But all those hobbies take effort on my part, beyond asking mommy for her credit card.
>>291935492
I choose, DEATH.
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>>291926049
>starcraft
>mods
Maps are not mods. It's content.
In WC3 maps were still not mods.
You made content.
As for mods, I don't know what you made so w/e.
>>291935935
>outdoors takes more effort than video games
>>291935802
There's a science and math board?
Fucking nerds
>>291935884
Wow faggot
I'm just going to pirate mods as easily as I pirate everything else.
>>291936054
Yes, it does. "Outdoors" as a hobby doesn't just mean stepping outside.
>>291934670
HD Roads. Cold and Wet.
>>291935931
>>291935935
guns are fun, go /k/
or airshit if you're poor. then go /asp/
>>291936242
>"Outdoors" as a hobby doesn't just mean stepping outside.
Actually, yes it does you mongoloid
>>291936143
>pirating mods is going to be a thing
How did it get this far?
Is this why Lovers Lab pulled all their loli mods?
>>291936250
Wet and Cold is still up on Nexus, what are you talking about.
>>291927192
>What happened to the Valve who actually made games and prided themselves on how moddable they were
They made 40.8 million dollars from user-made cosmetics in 2013 from Dota2/TF2. That's a lot of money for them not doing anything.
They're simply expanding on that model.
Valve got greedy.
>>291936335
Maybe for a semantics loving fedoralord such as yourself
>>291931454
That was people organizing over a complete non-issue. no, GG wasn't important.
This something that ACTUALLY affects PC gaming.
>>291936706
Yeah, I'm such a faggot. I don't even have a tripod tent or prepper backpack.
>>291932582
You can still play your Steam games, and just stop financially supporting the platform.
>>291926049
>we need to organize and do something before it's too late.
It's already too late.
Always has been, always will be.Too late.
>>291936909
You'd still be part of the statistics which on their end look like people using Steam for its intended purpose.
>>291936870
I don't associate with /out/ so you're gonna have to try to be a shitter harder than that
When someone says they are the outdoorsy type, do you respond with "oh, you like to step outside too?" No, you ask if they like hiking, camping, even going to the park. Quit being a moron
>>291933607
>sell intentionally buggy software
>charge for a fix
Jesus christ, it's the perfect crime and it's gonna make them rich.
We need to stop this now.
>>291937363
>going to the park
no effort, free
>camping
tent, some supplies
>hiking
no effort, free
wow! what are you arguing about again?
>>291937516
>hiking
>no effort
How to spot a beached whale/skeleton 101
>>291937695
not compared to sitting all day playing video games
but you're fat so i guess its almost impossible to do a bit of walking
>>291937783
Be honest.
Have you ever even stepped foot on a real trail?
>>291937915
a lot
mountain trails mostly
>>291937964
Can you name one longer than 13 miles without googling?
>>291938035
i dont know how long they are they take more than an hour though
you're moving the goalposts anyway
you don't need to pay to walk through them
>>291937436
It's going to go deeper.
One day an amateur studio will receive a request by a large studio to produce a "mod". This is outsourcing DLC to 3rd parties. Probably they won't pay upfront, but share a cut of the profits.
Deeper still.
If you can ask someone to make something for you, as part of a larger project, how long before you ask everyone you can? You don't need any promises, you don't need guarantees.
Even deeper still.
Eventually, you'll need to pay to get access to modding tools, simply because the mod business has grown... but... it can grow... just a little bit more...
This is pathetic. If you don't want to pay for a mod, don't.
I suspect many modders will continue to produce free content.
I hope that there's a way to pirate these mods
>>291937436
Considering many mods essentially are bug-fixes and patches, the truth is closer to reality than you might think.
>>291938371
>Eventually, you'll need to pay to get access to modding tools
No way, that would be shooting themselves in the foot.
>>291937915
how fucking fat are you that you think taking a walk takes real effort ffs. If hiking is too much for your lard ass then walk in the goddamn park. Like he already said, its free and requires no effort! If you consider walking effort, youre a fat lazy fuck
>>291938167
What does paying have anything to do with it? And I wouldn't say you can argue your hobby is hiking because you hiked for two hours.
Outdoors hobbies take more effort than video games, end of story.
>>291938427
Money is a powerful thing, anon.
>>291938554
On that day, you will remember me.
>>291938748
No they don't. I hiked every other day last summer. I can say while it took 2 hours it wasn't as consuming as video games. I'm not an outdoor person to begin yet it was easier to engage an outdoor hobby than a video game one. Maybe its time you try it before you say its harder?
>>291938606
There are 200 mile long hikes you fucking nimrod
>>291938839
Indeed it is. But do you really think every modder is going to charge? Of course not. Tons of people won't even care.
/v/ is just being the autistic child that cries because they dropped their ice cream and isn't allowed another for free.
>>291926049
>Think about the guy that made SKSE for example; every worthwhile skyrim mod uses SKSE. How much do you think the creator of SKSE is going to be compensated when someone uses his mod for their mod and makes thousand of dollars? Not a single cent. How do you think that's going to make him feel? Why would he even bother to support his mod anymore when people are making thousands of dollars off his hard work? He won't.
Stopping by to say that's stupid, just because you mod doesn't mean you're also good at logic or tying your shoes.
>>291939024
There are 4000 mile long hikes too. Some of the trail isn't marked but if you get lost just keep going. And never come back.
I would love to uninstall steam, but I just bought the south park game a little while back and its really fun
>>291939018
What hike takes two hours? That's a walk around the park, not a "mountain trail"
Just be quiet, you've never been on a fucking "mountain trail" or you could testify to how difficult it is hiking up a "mountain"
>>291939485
>difficult
>who made this slope so steep
>artificial difficulty
>>291939318
A ton of the more intricate and popular mods have inter-dependencies and shared assets that would be a nightmare for any intellectual rights legal team to disentangle.
As soon as one person decides to sue, the whole thing will come crashing down.
>>291939003
And I suppose I will laugh at the market cutting its own throat?
>>291939485
>waah how can someone actually be capable doing something i cant
Hiking up a mountain isn't that bad. You're just ass crippled because your second hand accounts of your obese acquaintances exaggerated. Maybe you should try it sometime instead of being so angry and resentful and fat.
>>291939703
Games themselves have already been getting more expensive. We've paid for additional content, expansions, DLC, horse armour and map packs, skins and even font colours. Do you really think the modding tools would be an exception?
>>291939809
The grizzled, two hour hiker that scales mountains, yet can't name a single one. Seen it all
I like hiking but what the fuck is this even about
>>291939939
Yes, because that's comparable to making a game that you have to pay to open the executable. It is nonsensical and does not follow the trend.
It is infinitely harder to make someone pay you to work for them than work for them for free.
>>291939809
>>291939942
Can you idiots not recognize that you mean different things by "effort" and "difficult". I mean fucking really.
>>291939942
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Antero
>>291940242
So how long was the trail? And how long did it take, two hours?
>>291940405
it took 40 minutes with one hand
>>291926049
If they did it for free in the first place then there's no issue.
>>291940456
How long was the trail
>>291926049
>paying for mods
Failed for SC2, hope it fails here.
The reason modding (or in the case of RTS mapping) scenes work is because of variety and flexibility as they are built as hobbies on the grounds of "that could be kind of fun."
Once you bring in money any variety goes out the door to watered down shit.
>>291940658
0.1 kilometers
>>291940124
>Yes, because that's comparable to making a game that you have to pay to open the executable.
No where did I say anything like that. I'm talking about the modding tools, which are certainly not guaranteed to be included in the game. Consider how many developers try to lock out people from modding their games. Well, because money is now involved in the modding community, this creates an incentive for them to not lock people out anymore. If so, I don't see it as a stretch for them to considering it a privilege to mod their games, in which case, you may be required to earn this right. I can't think of another way of doing that than monetizing the tools themselves.
>>291926049
I've been playing WC3 mods for more than 10 years. It'd be insanity of Hiveworkshop actually required you to pay money to use anything.
>>291940756
Epic troll
There was a huge backlash over horse armour, it didn't stop anything. I don't think we can do anything, /v/. After so many losses, my morale is gone.
>>291940881
I didn't count my steps like an autist just in case some faggot on redditchan wanted to check my outdoor cred.
>>291940665
>Failed for SC2
It never even happened for SC2. The map shop was canceled.
>>291939024
That doesn't mean YOU have to walk 200 mile hikes you stupid nigger. Go on a short one.
>>291940773
And I'm saying that does not follow. If they profit directly off the work of others by only making a map tool, they want to propagate the tool as far and wide as possible, this means billing the mod functionality and making it free. Locking the tools behind a paywall is illogical, suddenly you have only a tiny sliver of the potential map-makers churning profit for you.
>>291941176
Because it was an idiotic idea that was already ontop of the bad implementation of the arcade.
Still to this day SC2's arcade is barren of originality due to the top rated page, now imagine if you had to pay for shit.
>>291941272
No anon, 200 mile hikes exist therefore outdoor hobbies are a more difficult hobby to get into than video games which therefore means I can be a fatfuck exonerated of responsibility for having video games as my only hobby as the other hobbies are way more expensive!
>>291941056
We've already established you don't know shit about what you're talking about
>>291926049
how do I go about selling a steam account? 150 games including GTA V which I just fucking bought for 70. I'm debating just doing a cc chargeback on gta and letting valve ban my account, at least I'd get the 70 back out of it
>>291941574
>we
>he thinks hes in some sort of company
autism
as many others have said in this thread, this is just a test run for when they launch source 2 and put up dota 2.
ironically this is what killed bnet's 2.0 mod community.
>>291926049
Whats the big fuzz over this? Cant people just grab mods somewhere else?
>>291941750
sure
if the source of the mods werent the modders
>>291941715
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>>291935802
wait, how is retro games dead?
>He wants to keep doing it for free
>>291935492
Sorry m8, can't pay the rent with my honor
>>291941382
Well, I certainly hope you're right. But I do not think it's a far stretch, under some licensing laws. What if they create a "premium" mod tool, with additional functionality such as scripting? Obviously I wildly speculating, I'm just scared of the jews.
>>291941750
Modders are already pulling their mods from "somewhere else" to make a profit on steam, and as a result it has become a crime to upload them anywhere else.
That's the current problem, the future of this problem is bethesda making all of their games only mod-able through that piece of shit steam workshop.
>>291935492
Was there ever really a choice
>>291941949
Now that's a much more real possibility, paying for bells and whistles and maybe more advanced features. Give the carpenter his workshop but deny him the ideal tools.
>>291941865
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