>tfw video games are the superior medium
Feels good man.
What are you fucking 12
Silly artists!
>>287202304
Video games aren't art. The industry is filled with failed artists and filmmakers that try to be taken seriously. Same with reviewers and critics.
i'll just leave this here
>>287202759
true, but it's a 20 billion dollar industry, surely someday people will have high enough standards to expect professional quality right?
right?
>>287202304
the narrative is getting away. Why is that fucking ADHD MC wasting the narrative?
>>287202304
>trying to be deep and metaphorical by having arrows pointing at a object and saying "This is what this means"
>payed 5 euro tokens for Mount and Blade
>170 hours in and no sign of stopping
They do give a good price to entertainment ratio
>Post shit from that trashcan cracked article
That person does the absolute worst job of validating the medium. If you think yours is superior, don't dedicate so much time slandering and being ignorant of what other mediums provide.
>>287202953
I've seen too many misguided attempts to mix the two.
Game stories tend to be juvenile and simplistic. Also, there's far more popular movies from other countries. Same can't be said about games.
What is the Mona Lisa of video games?
>>287202486
>b-b-bu-but games arent art
I haven't watched a movie in like 10 years
>>287202486
>paying $20 to see one painting
>>287203398
games do that bro
>>287203516
>>287203327
The Louvre guide for Nintendo 3DS
>>287203398
Uncultured swine
>>287202304
Video games can't be art.
>>287203908
None of them really interest me
>>287203327
Probably the Mario Bros saga.
>Popular piece with no intended hidden meaning nor anything of the sort.
>Pretentious retards would kill to find some kind of deep lore concealed in it.
Accurate?
what are your thoughts on interstellar
my grandpa wondered why the space station at the end was all white
>>287203398
I started recently, its pretty fun, nice to not be a part of the action
I enjoyed Birdman more than I did almost all vidya released last year
>>287202304
as someone who loves vidyer i would like to say those comics are fucking retarded, because every medium has their own advantages and disadvantages. focuses on different things and there isn't one that's inherently better or worse than another
>>287202304
>>287202486
Oh shit, when did Kelly start coloring his comic strips?
>>287204103
Literature is shit art compared to paintings and sculptures.
>>287204103
What is the Finnegans Wake of video games?
>art
Who fucking cares?
>>287204281
This. It's hard to do subtlety in a video game for example because you have to portray something in a very specific way. When you give the viewer control you can't guarantee they will see it the way you intended. Sometimes a fixed perspective and soundtrack guarantee a better scene.
>>287202304
But Limb clinics aren't extraneous details, they're important gameplay mechanics
And the foxon Electronics store can't be entered and basically is a cardboard cutout
>>287204256
It's strange.
There was this episode of Batman the Animated Series about Bruce's childhood TV hero The Grey Ghost, where Batman realizes that a crime is like an episode he saw and he goes to the aged actor, who was always typecasted afterwards and resented his role. The guy was voiced by Adam West, but the story fits Micheal Keaton even moreso.
>>287204558
depression quest
reminder that liberals destroyed art from within.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKFZOIv5sS0
>>287203106
Welcome to every political cartoon ever made.
>>287202304
I can never really nail down if I like this guy or not. These little infographic opinion thingies are dumb and often pretentious, but I really like some of the ideas he puts fourth about life and stuff in Subnormality.
>>287203610
noice
>>287204103
NIGGER
WHAT ARE MY FUCKING X/Y AXI?
WHAT ARE WE MEASURING? OH MY FUCK, GO BACK TO FIFTH GRADE
>>287204915
*Axes
>>287202304
Except that's not always true you fucking nigger
All these comics are maximum strawmaw. What a surprise they are made by a psuedo intellectual sjw faggot
FOXON ELECTRONICS
HEH
I GET IT
IT'S LIKE FOXCONN, BUT NOT
GREAT JOB ARTIST
>>287204915
>I don't know how to read a graph
>>287204814
Fucking done with this shit
>>287204086
you know you don't have to see NEW movies
there are hundreds of movies released every year, I guarantee that in over 100 years of cinema you have missed some gems
the best part is, they only take 2.5 hours to complete. waaaay easy to clear a film backlog.
fuckin hate this guy's art style. someone post the one with the hairy leg womyn
GUG
Just stop
We've seen them all already anyway
>>287205008>>287205008
A strawmaw by definition is a strawman so massive it has collapsed in on itself and devolved into a maw in which no logic can escape
>>287205281
>I care so little about internet trolls I go out of my way to make strawman comic after strawman comic about them
>>287202793
I still agree
>>287204915
Art media are a continuum. There are movie games and there are picture books. And music videos. And music visualizers. So you could interpolate and create a smooth curve instead of a histogram.
>>287205281
>all the trolls are men
Coincidence?
>>287205281
>Trolls are completely ineffectual and just ignored by us cool people who fuck women and drink beers
>Let me show how much they don't effect me by drawing comic after comic about them
>>287205252
I dunno, I kinda like it. The way he draws crowds of completely unique people for large shots is pretty great and his women are pretty rockin. Apparently everything he draws is done with on decade old pen or something which is kind of neat.
>>287204103
>measuring art
I don't even. If something is "more" art does that mean it's better?
>>287202793
>I'm too stupid to understand anything about apocalypse now so lets just comment on a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with the story
>>287205281
So much degeneracy in one panel
>>287205442
>Every bad webcomic ever
>>287205135
It's a bullshit graph. It could possibly work if you used bars and ignored the fact that "art" is not a quantifiable measurement, but you went full retard and made it a continuous line graph. That implies continuity, that "literature" can be one unit of whatever and "painting" can be two units and at one and a half units there's some sort of middle ground that's more artistic than painting but less artistic than literature. Yes, I mad.
>>287202793
>comparing the greatest piece of film to an on-rails "gears of war" like
This actually triggered me.
>>287204103
Art is subjective.
>>287205774
>the greatest piece of film
that's notrobocop
>>287204103
Show me something thats worth one art, and then I'll tell you your graph is worth more than nothing.
>>287205089
You're an idiot.
>>287205281
>Rush
>>287206036
I know, right?Rush deserves better listeners than the fuck who made that
>>287204838
I feel exactly the same way.
>>287202304
Too bad no video games has ever had a good script. The best video games do is a good popcorn flick. That's why games that don't focus on gameplay are dumb.
>>287205609
There's a couple of women there, the ones on bottom left
>>287205281
>>287202304
>>287202793
>being this much of a plebe
What I'd expect from the top comic artist of fucking cracked.
>>287205963
Art is the most subjective bullshit on the planet. Unfortunately at some stage people forgot this, and decided that the term "art" had some weight.
The term "art" has zero value. If anything, being branded "art" makes you look worse in this day and age, because the people who talk about art the most end to go on about modern performance art and shit where women fart beans onto toast from their ass or ferment a quails egg in a stomach wound and claim that the bacteria forming and dying represents the birth and decay of humanity.
Giving a shit about art just makes you sound like a fucking faggot these days.
>>287204838
>>287202953
God...I tell you...once a true VR hits, this will to quote Miller, make crack look like Sanka.
>>287206248
Ghost Trick wasn't bad.
>>287206192
Yeah this. Fuck that guy for giving Rush a bad name.
>>287204814
>vidya and lolis will never be considered art
>someone literally shits onto a canvas and it's considered art
I'm done.
>>287206305
LOL
>>287206418
>caring about attitude
that's pretty retarded m8
>>287206578
THIS CHAIR IS AN EYESORE
>>287206630
>>287204103
Literature>Music>Film>Painting>Videogame
>>287202486
>Meticulously crafted
>Pleasing to the eye
o I am laffin
>>287202793
>Make your choice:
>[x] Do bad thing
>[y] Ask me again
>Well there's not much of an option
>[x]
>Why did you do that? You didn't need to. You're an awful person and you do bad things.
I really don't get why everyone sucks this game's dick so much.
It's gameplay is so generic it hurts and the "choices" are extremely limiting. I admit that the idea is solid and your character's words and actions getting more violent over time is a nice touch but it's just too forced.
>>287206773
>>287202793
All three of those were fantastic
>>287206895
>>287204915
Is there anything worse than people who say "oh my fuck?" No, I don't think so.
>>287206435
VR is a fever-dream revived by morons with no viability in the market or anywhere else.
3D has come and gone 3 times now and wagglan died, the fuck makes you think VR is going to pan out in your lifetime?
Until we can beam experiences into your brain VR is a worthless pursuit.
>>287206418
>incredibly prevalent
Barely 30 years old and it's already niche.
>Influential
It only influences other retarded literally who bands.
Punk is shit, specially when they market it as an attitude., get over it.
>>287206895
STAWPIT
>>287202304
But Video games have time limits all the time.
>>287205774
>Apocalypse Now
>greatest piece of film
Agreed, actually. Good taste. I'd assert the closest contender is Taxi Driver.
Anyway, the problem with video games is that no one is focusing on advancing the basic component of the medium: gameplay, which further reduced, is the "meaning" and ramifications that exists between input and output to generate a unique experience.
Imagine if people decided sentences were holding back literature, or that image composition was holding back painting. That's the kind of stupid, worthless shits that exist as "critics" of video games right now.
Video games were a far, far more respectable medium when they simply strove to be penultimate virtual toys to enjoy, ironically.
>>287202793
>>287205705
>>287206305
is that red supposed to be blood?
>>287206773
I never knew Chris-chan's comics got so violent. Why is Sonichu eating his son?
>>287206630
>>287206773
>>287206895
>>287207029
Glad I saved this screecap
>>287206418
This entire image just reinforces that punk is about being as much of a violent hipster queer as possible as opposed to actually being a real music maker.
>>287206418
>Bad Religion
>Social commentary is the absolute most important aspect of being a punk band
>Defiance against authority, unrest, and rebellion against the norm and standards
>But I'm rating them low because they don't fit the conformed image of what a punk band needs to look like
What kind of fucking trash is this
>>287207285
>until we can beam experiences into you brain VR is a worthless pursuit.
www.ign.com/videos/2015/03/14/project-morpheus-made-us-believers-in-vr
They are working on it.
>>287205281
>stars in the sky
>ineffectual specks
>>287207536
>>287207586
It's not made by chris
>>287202486
>quantity over quality
I love how he thinks his convoluted analogies written for a comedy websitenot anymore ,problematic shitlord!constitute meaningful criticism
>>287207295
U2 was influenced, even if they are shit.They started off playing post-punk in their early years.
>>287204103
>literature
>the highest
Someone got cucked hardcore
>>287204103
>using a line graph when it should be a bar graph
Please fuck off and never return.
>>287204558
Limbo of the Lost
>>287206418
>Rancid
But that's ska
>>287206418
>no Dead Milkmen
Did he get cucked by a Camaro or something?
>>287206630
that butt looks surprisingly good.
>>287205281
>cucked so hard by strangers on the internet that you make a comic about it
>>287203398
Haven't watched any movies since the autumn.
>>287209149
>Haven't watched any movies since the autismn.
>>287209254
>talking shit about the best season
>>287207532
WHATS THE HORIZONTAL AXIS
>>287202304
For video games to offer better storytelling while still giving the player complete freedom, you have to rely on the player actually being a competent director. This is clearly never the case. Players wander away to pick flowers while characters are talking to them. They stop to organize their inventories while fire and brimstone is raining from the sky and they have to rush to the hellgate to defeat evil and save the world. They pick up a cucumber and start trying to shove under the grieving widow's skirt while she's in tears explaining how the corrupt king got her husband killed and you need to assassinate him and free the country.
>>287206418
Oh god this has made me so goddamn angry. I don't deserve this.
>>287203398
>He hasn't played The Last of Us
>>287203327
I don't know...
Have you ever been to the Louvre?
Its a beautiful palace full of thousands of pieces of art, yet everyone crowds around this one little painting, looking at it through their smartphones so they can tell people they saw "Da Vinci's Masterpiece". Yet the hall before it has other paintings by Leonardo and all the greats, and the hall behind it is full of great Revolutionary and Napoleonic works. Very few people look at those.
The old phrase is missing the forest for the trees, but the Mona Lisa really takes it to extremes.
So what game appeals to casual faggots who don't appreciate its depth and will never explore other games?
>>287207636
Punk isn't about violence. Never has been.
>>287210191
LoL?
It's shit, most people doesn't appreciate it's real depth and they'll never explore another genre.
>>287210191
wasnt that the painting that the ghost came out of in ghost busters?
>>287210191
When I went, they had a bunch of Goya paintings on an upper floor, it was definitely the best part of the visit. Mona Lisa is an extremely good painting, sure, but we've seen it millions of times, and I feel like it's no different seeing it in person than it is seeing a printout. Whereas' Goya's work has real texture and, I don't know how to describe it, presence I suppose. It's awe-inspiring to look at it from so close.
>>287210568
You wouldn't even be able to see the texture in the Mona Lisa anyway.
You have to stand five feet away and its behind glass.
Most of the other paintings in the Louvre you could lick if you wanted to.
>>287206559
The very fact that you can't see why shows how that you have no idea what art is anyway
>>287211049
art is a creative piece of work someone made that someone else has seen value in
>>287207636
yep. that's why it died and thank god it did
>>287205281
>Those hairy legs
barf
>>287210356
It is about status, you buy a uniform and some flair to differentiate yourself from the mindless masses. You must assume an antisocial posture and religiously attend ceremonies put on by the high priests of authenticity. All the time never questioning whether the critique of society that the movement is founded on is valid or not. Bravo Sheeple
>>287204814
she must have felt very silly doing that
>>287211607
She probably feltempowered.
Sometimes I wanna be a woman, so I can literally shit in public and people would cheer for me, instead trying to get me arrested.
>>287211484
I can't tell if you're being ironic right now. Poe's law in full effect I suppose.
>>287211852
he just described the punk movement though
>>287210723
kuz they're shit
>>287202486
Is he shitting on 2D art?
>>287211915
I'm more talking about the sheeple part. And just the tone of the whole post.
>>287212114
Yes. Video games are the highest art form.
>>287205247
Same thing with music. Or video games, for that matter. Who needs a current gen system?
>>287202304
Music is a superior medium to books because you can't crank up the bass on books.
>playing video games for the story
>>287202486
All this shows me is that a game is simply just a compilation of art. The only "art" that a game invented is gameplay, and that is arguably less of an art and more of a system.
>>287206418
>Green Day above The Ramones
I didn't expect just reading the names to make me this angry.
>>287212565
>565
almost but what about my 2
>>287212565
I always thought Crime & Punishment needed more sick bass drops.
>>287207853
I remember making this reaction a long time ago.
>>287211049
If "plopegg" is art, then explain to me what art is.
>>287212636
>enjoying various aspects of an interactive multimedia experience
>>287210191
The Napoleonic works had plenty of people viewing them when I went. The coronation of Napoleon is one the most impressive things in the museum, that and the Napoleon III apartments. Though it was impressive to me through my lay understanding. Going to the Louvre is overwhelming, there is too much to see. So most people just gravitate to what they know or what is impressive on an accessible level. That does not make bad, just obvious. So my answer to your question would be Zelda.
>>287205281
>comparing trolls to some of the most powerful stellar bodies there are
>>287202304
>>287202486
But art isn't necessarily about how much shit you can shove into a single frame. People who advocate one medium over the other are the true cancer.
>>287206559
AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND
>>287211484
so basically it was being a hipster before being a hipster was popular
>>287207531
>Agreed, actually. Good taste. I'd assert the closest contender is Taxi Driver.
You guys obviously don't watch many films.
>>287213375
Why, what do you think is better?
Some faggot Bergman shit? Fuck off.
>>287213375
I know right? Everyone knows Brazil is the greatest movie ever made and anyone who disagrees is a fucking faggot.
>>287202793
Wow. Way to completely undermine and diminish the original story so you can play up a 6 hour long shooter video game.
How is all you take from the other two that bullshit? This guy could read Blood Meridian and wouldn't take anything from it but "lol gore".
This man should kill himself.
Am I the only person who things these comics are ugly as fuck?
>>287213496
Herzog
>>287213587
>Brazil
*tips fedora*
>>287213587
Adventures of Baron Munchausen is better.
>>287213756
>Herzog
>Just citing the director for cred
I asked for a specific movie, you little bitch.
>>287213756
which films? I have only seen Happy People: A Year in the Taiga and Little Dieter Needs to Fly, both were great.
>>287209590
Confusion
>>287213982
>>287213982
Sorry thought you said 'who do you think', misread it.
>>287214050
Aguirre: Wrath of God, Fitzcorraldo, but his documentaries are excellent too, recently saw Grizzly Man and there are few documentaies that could top it.
>>287212642
>All this shows me is that a game is simply just a compilation of art.
Moveis are just a compilation of acting, writing, visuals, and sound, and not an art of it's own.
>>287213784
Oh for the love of fuck, you don't even know what fedora means anymore.
>>287213924
It's a more entertaining movie, but I disagree that it's a better one. Still one of my favorites, from before Terry Gilliam started sucking compulsively.
>>287214380
Better for entertainment value, then.
All three movies in that non-trilogy are fantastic anyway, it's a shame his work hasn't exactly been great in more recent years.
>>287202304
Except that in video games since I've been 10, I haven't been able to go into the fucking houses
C'mon GTA5 why
Let me just go inside the houses
>>287213924
And Time Bandits is superior to that.
So now people are talking about great things in respective art mediums, but not a lot of music discussion.
Ambient Music is so fucking cool. Especially anything with Fripp or Eno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaueEZKgvww
and for those who have more time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elTuRy7OhgQ
>>287214694
Clearly the answer is to watch all three in a row, then watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas for good measure.
>>287214574
You're an idiot, thats why. Many games let you go into houses.
>>287214503
>hasn't exactly been great
You are being too generous. Most of it sucked. I recently got The Zero Theorem and I'm putting off watching it just because I know it will be another complete disappointment.
>>287211049
Explain how and why "plopegg" isn't fucking stupid and pretentious.
>>287213784
>>287214574
There wouldnt be anything to do inside peoples houses in GTA anyways
>>287214880
I thought Doctor Parnassus was pretty good, at least the getting around Heath Ledger's death was clever.
I honestly just watched it for Tom Waits.
>>287212928
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3RR-rzT5ws
>>287212827
that's a big painting.I wonder how they painted something that huge
Hey guys I made this art, it's deep and subjective, I do not need to tell you why because if you need it explained you probably shouldn't look at art ever again.
>>287206248
>Deus Ex 1
>Bad script
mmkay.
>>287204814
reminds me of this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I9lmvX00TLY
>>287212928
Art is such a useless fucking term anyway. Anything someone makes is by technical definition art. A fork is art. A vacuum is art. A pair of fucking pants is art.
Art isn't about anything but what you make of it.
>>287215519
>Hey guys I made this art
Prove it. Draw me a loli with a futa dick with the exact same artstyle THEN I might believe you.
>>287213662
No. The guy who does these things misses the eloquence and the skill it takes to convey a message in less than a 20+ hour game so crowds his comics in order to explicitly spell out what he means, making them bloated and ugly.
Buckley's miscarriage had more subtlety than this hack.
>>287215806
Wow look at this hater, just jealous of my autistic skills?
>>287204086
go watch the hurt locker you rancid swine
>>287215473
A ladder.
>>287204086
Filth is actually pretty fun.
>>287205774
>>287207531
Nah, see, there are two best movies.
Citizen Kaine for what it did for movies. And Doctor Strangelove.
>>287213784
Haha
Nice meme :^)
I don't know what the fuck people have been saying in this thread. But I just wanted to say one thing:
OP's picture is completely retarded in assuming that having NO TIME LIMITS is a good thing. For fucks sake, that's actually something that has been holding back the RPG genre for DECADES.
We're still years away from a properly developed RPG which actually accounts for the passage of time. Yes, games like Fallout 1 have implemented a bit of this kind of design, but until we reach the point where games naturally reflect how nature has no pause button, it's a big fucking issue for complete immersion.
>>287216586
I feel bad for having not enjoyed Doctor Strangelove that much.
I get why the ending is like it is, but it still leaves me unsatisfied, but then there's nothing else it could be.
>>287216586
Citizen Kane is highly overrated. It had great cinematography for its time, but thats about it. But as a movie it makes no god damned sense.
>>287216931
dark souls has no pause button
majora's mask has a time limit on your ass all the time
Also you seem like a real autist
>>287216931
It's not only the passage of time, it's pacing. You want a crescendo in your game, you eventually want the tension, the action, the drama to ramp up and ultimately peak before the resolution. In non-linear games, that is almost always ruined by the player deciding he wants to finish all his sidequests before fighting the last boss.
I'm not saying non linear games are bad, I'm just saying they are not conductive to good storytelling, they're closer to reading Wikipedia than they are to reading a book. You're hopping from one topic to the next with no rhyme or reason.
>>287216931
>>287217474
It's a complete non issue.
>>287217643
It is something you need to consider when trying to deliver a good story through an interactive medium.
It is not crucial to making a good game, but it is one of the things linear games have working for them.
>>287206418
>Bad Religion less punk than Green Day
>mentioning the Shit Pistols at all
>>287217950
Bad Religion is still good. Green Day didn't even last eight years before they started sucking.
>>287217360
It's not overrated, it was at one point the greatest movie ever made, the only reason people ever say it's overrated by it is because so many other directors copied everything it did for cinema.
It is to movies, what Wolfenstein 3D is to FPS. And even though on it's own now it's not exceptional, and it seems a little overrated, it's just because we need to view it with context.
>>287218086
this is what I'm saying though
Green Day is shit
>>287217387
And you need to learn to read. I didn't say that all games have pause buttons, I said that games aren't well designed enough to resolve the issue of time being a continuum. Or in other words, the technology and tools aren't there yet to make it easy to create games which automatically create content in context, which in our discussion refers to the passage of time.
If you are really that thickheaded and still don't understand my point, I'm talking about how games as SIMULATIONS in terms of technological progress have yet to reach the point where the barrier between reality and fantasy is nigh indistinguishable. This necessarily requires the simulation to be all encompassing, hence the need for passage of time to be properly implemented for all events.
>>287217643
OP's picture refers to Deus Ex. It's a great game, but it could have been even better had all of your objectives been subject to time restraints.
Think about it. In the game, it's fairly obvious when you trigger main storyline events. As such, you just don't give a shit about them. You know you have nothing to lose by wandering about aimlessly.
If instead Deus Ex was designed in such a way that all of the main storyline events had multiple variations depending on how much time you took, not only would the player naturally start to pay more attention, and therefore become more immersed, but the developers would have more powerful options for driving the narrative. Because the connection between action and emotion would be more powerfully connected.
>>287210191
idk, the thing that struck me the most was how humid the damn place was. I mean holy shit there's priceless art all over the fucking place install some glass and/or climate control
>>287218231
Yes. And I'm agreeing with you.
Not for story telling they're not. Video games have almost universally mediocre or far worse stories.
This isn't helped by the fact that there's a massive narrative/gameplay disconnection where one is almost always undermines the other.
>>287218289
>Think about it. In the game, it's fairly obvious when you trigger main storyline events. As such, you just don't give a shit about them. You know you have nothing to lose by wandering about aimlessly.
And that's a good thing. I want to have time to do all the side quests and all that without stressing out about the main story. I'm already immersed in all the things I can do instead of carefully managing my time, which would take away from that.
>>287218526
Dorf fortress has had better stories than any form of media.
>>287215162
>>287214574
>GTA: SA
>he never thief'd
>>287217387
Furthermore, lets talk about your retarded suggestion of Dark Souls having no pause button.
Yes, that's true. But none of its events are time-dependent either. So it's actually a terrible example to bring up because it doesn't put any pressure upon the player to account for the passage of time. All it does is simply maintain AI operations within bounded fields, i.e. the area maps.
Thank goodness you actually had an ounce of intelligence to bring up Majora's Mask, although every-fucking-one should know that it's one of the few games to attempt to implement a complete simulation of timed events. Although, please don't try and tell me it's the pinnacle of game development, it's so fucking old and limited. Even with the remake which is a huge missed opportunity.
>>287218694
The only good stories from dorf are those that were taken from a user's experience in a game, heavily edited and posted online. Thus making the person posting it the story teller.
>>287218923
Clearly you haven't played it, or simply aren't imaginative enough to see stories being created in front of you.
>>287219003
Clearly you don't know what I mean when I'm referring to a story AKA a narrative.
>>287218289
>You know you have nothing to lose by wandering about aimlessly.
But that's one of my favorite things in games with larger levels.
I like fucking around and searching every corner before continuing on.
>>287202304
What, do you only watch shit Hollywood film? Get some taste
>>287205995Bitches leave.
>>287202793
Spec Ops is garbage compared to both of those.
On its own it's a good game that tries to do something different in its story/concept/ideas.
It's not fun to play in the slightest though.
>>287203327
Souls games.
There, I said it.
>>287218094
But it was never the greatest movie ever made. The only truly fantastic thing about it is the cinematography. The story at its core makes absolutely no sense, and the acting is only decent. If anything its the reason that people put too much emphasis on the director, and not enough on every other part of the film making process.
>>287219416
>it's a good game
It's an incredibly boring game. It felt like probably one of the most generic TPS games in terms of actually playing it. It has neat shit, but it is not fun to push through.
>>287219397I'D BUY THAT FER A DOLLAR
>>287204103
Painting and music came before Literature you retard yuropoor
>>287205963
Appeal is subjective
Quality is not subjective.
>>287206418
>Green day is more punk than Bad Religion
please let this be /mu/ trash....
>>287205407DID YA SEE THAT SHINJI?
>>287218687
You missed my point completely. Your immersion is incomplete because the things you do have no meaning in the absence of passage of time.
Let me get even more explicit with examples then.
If you played Human Revolution, recall the event with Malik. Was it not an engaging moment? One of the few meaningful ones in that dreadfully boring game? One where you had to quickly make the decision to take on a (seemingly) impossible task (you did play it on hard, right?). As a time-limited event, it forced the player to become fully immersed, to take into consideration the effects of all of his actions.
Now I do see that I may be confusing the issue slightly. I'm not saying that every single storyline event has to have the same LEVEL of tension. However, I am saying that if EVERY event was designed with this kind of consideration and BALANCED to drive the player when needed or conversely ease them into a more relaxed state, then Deus Ex, all of the games in the series, would have been significantly improved by providing fuller immersion. For is that not the point of the simulation, to meaningfully take action?
>>287219217
So you like being autistically OCD about exploring every fucking trashcan in the city? No wonder all of these retarded games journalists loved Human Revolution! It gave you exp the most for being the most autistic retarded fucks possible! Hack everything for no good reason! Nonviolently KO everyone just for the exp! Accumulate tons of worthless resources because the devs only know how to design skinner box models!
But seriously, games aren't at the point where that defense is valid. Maybe in a few decades when they're beautiful and complex enough to be completely engrossed into.
>>287219536
Yeah, "good" is pushing it. Like I said, I found the gameplay very boring too, but the game as a whole isn't too bad.
>>287219797
Dude, even /mu/ thinks this picture is a joke. Post it and watch how mad they get.
>>287204103
Yes.
>Video Games
Interactive combination of pretty much every type of art (jack of all trades master of none)
>Film
A manufactured and restricted representation of a narrative with little room for interpretation.
>Music
Inspires raw emotions.
>Paintings
Refined emotion.
>Literature
Refined thought.
>>287219902
What does any of that shit about gaming journalists have to do with what I said? I said I liked looking around locations without having timing restrictions. I don't play games with larger levels to go fast, I play them because I like adventuring and shit.
I'm sorry you can't get engrossed in video games?
Why do people say video games can't be art, /v/?
I don't care if people say "this video game isn't art," but the medium as a whole CAN'T be art?
As in the propensity to be art is nonexistent across this whole medium?
Despite everything it has and will achieve, its nature as a combination of every other established art form, there is a concrete impossibility for video games to be art?
Why?
>>287220457
videogames are for kids XD
>>287220457
From their logic? The same reason toys aren't art.
>>287220457
you need to beat it (see: not being a casual)
>>287220457
>Why do people say video games can't be art, /v/?
They're for children.
>>287220031
>film
>little room for interpretation
>>287220457
Don't worry man, give it 30 years at best, things will change, those old wise art critics will eventually die
>>287209543
>Saved
>Don't agree with OP
I don't think games have matured enough for me to give them the edge over books. I think books are still one of the best medium all around.
>>287220651
In comparison to music, art and literature? Yeah.
>>287220781
>In comparison to music, art and literature
but anon, all of those along with films are art
>>287220457
You can win a video game, you can't win a painting.
DANK MEMES
DANK MEMES EVEYWHERE
I FEEL SORRY FOR THE MILLIONS THAT DIED IN 2014
THAT THEY NEVER GOT TO EXPERIENCE THESE DANK MEMES.
>>287220536
Well, why can't toys be considered art as well?
I mean, sure, they're just playthings, but is there not a level of artistry involved? Sculpting the action figure, sewing the plush doll, sound design in electronic toys? Designing an item to elicit an emotional response from the audience?
>>287220646
Why can't something meant for children be art?
Is art something only the grownups are allowed to have?
>>287220781
Not really, film is a lot more of an open field than you might think.
>>287220937
>Why can't something meant for children be art?
Because kids are dumb, so what they like can't be art. There is no meaning in something you frivolously play with.
>Is art something only the grownups are allowed to have?
Of course.
>>287219902
>Your immersion is incomplete
Who the fuck are you to tell me how I experience immersion? The reason _I_ am immersed is because I can do whatever I want. If every single event had some sort of timer on it where I had to do x before y or z or even a would happen, it would vastly dampen my enjoyment because instead of exploring it would turn into time management.
