Mechs can do things that tanks and infantry can't. Fite me.
>>286024750
yeah they can be
-more expensive than both
-less effective than both
-cant exist as of now due to tech limitations and are useless because of nukes
-will not trump the reaction times and intelligence of a human in a combat situation
like fall over and not be able to get up
So let's talk quadrupedal mechs instead of the Gundam kind. What bonuses does one offer over a tank?
>>286025363
Greater stability than a 2 leg mech and able to maneuver over more types of terrain than a tank.
>>286024750
Except Mechs will never be viable in real-life.
mechs, as a weapon, are completely pointless. a tank does everything a mech could more efficiently and at fraction of the cost
Giant Robots are by their very nature, a bad concept. It's taking the ineffective and absurd and glorifying it for no good reason. There is no situation in which an oversized mechanical man is more effective than a flying/dynamic wheeled mobile tank/artillery.
>>286025103
>and are useless because of nukes
By that logic every weapon besides nukes is useless. But wait, no one wants to use nukes because that's MAD.
>-more expensive than both
Tell me why mechs are necessarily more expensive than tanks. That's right you can't because you don't know at all how a hypothetical technology would be manufactured. Maybe they would maybe they wouldn't.
>-less effective than both
List me five small arms that can shoot through brick /concrete AND light armor.
>-cant exist as of now due to tech limitations and are useless because of nukes
We have walking robot that can do so autnomously. If we can do that we can apply the technology to make a mech that doesn't need to operate autonomously.
>-will not trump the reaction times and intelligence of a human in a combat situation
Neither will a tank but those are still used.
>>286024750
enjoy sinking into the mud with all those tons of force ending on spindly ass robo legs
Enjoy a single RPG to the leg joint ruining your mech
Who gives a shit? It's fiction. It's awesome.
>>286025580
specifically what terrain? Loose rocks? Ice? An incline?
Tanks are pretty good off road.
>>286025334
Are you stuck on the ground when you fall over?
Do you not have arms to help you get back up?
You fucker made your thread too early.
Whatever, I made this to know where we left off.
Also Mech bros ww@
>>286025635
>It won't be more expensive because magic technology will surely appear and make it less expensive
are you even trying
>>286025858
Mechs can be lighter, and smaller depending on how you make them.
>>286025764
I'm think more like steep ledges and the such. I am probably thinking about this all wrong but to me a tank is like shuffling your feet while a quadruped is like actually lifting them.
>>286025968
If you have the technology to make mechs viable, that same technology could still enhance tanks to be even more so.
![Urbanmech[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Jq2J78n.jpg "Urbanmech[1].jpg")
we mech now
I really don't get where all these "BUT MECH CAN JUMP" idiots come from
here's a hint: legs are shit tier for upwards acceleration so whatever method you use to make a mech jump could ALSO be used to make a tank jump, and unlike the mech the tank won't have to worry about breaking its fragile leg joints when dropping
>>286025968
But we can't make them. Not really. There are a few robotics projects that are mechlike right now but they're inefficient as fuck and far more vulnerable because they have way more moving parts than a tank. There's just no situation in which a mech beats out a tank. Powered armor may become a thing in the future but a full on mech? Fuck no.
>>286026098
No matter what the technolgy that tank ain't gonna have legs or arms, hombre.
>>286025791
tank beats mech
Supcom is one of the sci fi settings that would just annihilate 40k outright. It'd be so one sided it's not funny.
>>286026038
No, I'll give you that. Sheer ledges are a problem. But a lot of work's gone into some very complicated suspension on tanks to tackle everything but.I'm painfully aware of how ignorant I sound
>>286025968
If by smaller you mean powered armor, then you have a point.
Anything bigger than a vehicle though would be outlandishly expensive to produce while having a counterproductive high center of gravity.
>>286026216
>but they're inefficient as fuck
Because people are trying to make them move autonomously, anon. You sidestep AI problems and suddenly a mech is far easier to make than a normal walking robot.
>>286026232
because neither of them are efficient
>>286024750
Nice armor faggot
There is literally no reason whatsoever to produce large scale mecha, ever. You want mecha without them being shit, they damn well better be exo-suits. That's the only "mecha" worth a shit because it's the only one that makes any sense. Enhancing soldiers IS something you do. Building poorly constructed humanoid vehicles with poorly designed Japanese energy swords is bad and you should feel bad for thinking it's good.
Here is why large mechs will never ever be a thing
Square cube law.
>>286025363
What you want is a tank that can unfold its treds into four legs. Most of the time it is a tank, but if it finds a roadblock or obstacle it can't roll over it can get up and step over it. It could also raise itself up to peek over cover.
Oddly enough, I'd say Call of Duty actually represented mech tanks the best. It feels really weird saying that.
>>286025765
>tread gets hit: tank is now immobile but otherwise fully functional
>leg on mech gets hit: weapons now are stuck facing the ground or the sky depending which way it falls over.
>>286026376
legs are just less efficient than wheels
compare running to cycling
>mechs in charge of being cheaper than tanks
>mechs in charge of not having a million points of failure
>mechs in charge of weight distribution
>mechs in charge of being low-profile
>mechs in charge of being more specialized than a plane
>mechs in charge of being more specialized than a tank
>not digging giant robots
>>286026379
Let's see a tank climb something, anon. Let's see a tank lean out of cover, anon. Let's see a tank do fuckall in a city skirmish, anon.
Mechs can strafe, tanks cant.
>>286026519
also don't forget taking out a tank treads is significantly harder than taking out a mech's leg given that there's absolutely no way to put any form of decent armor over the joints which are also already under heavy strain
>>286026376
I'm talking about power expenditure. It takes more energy to get a bipedal mech to move the same amount of weight as a tank. They're just not cost effective and don't provide any tangible benefit to justify the extra cost other than "looking cool."
>>286026551
>legs are just less efficient than wheels
And that's why we ride our bikes through rocky terrain.
>>286025791
I think the main advantage of a mech versus a tank is intimidation factor.
Don't get me wrong, tanks are terrifying, but to me seeing a giant metal man walk out from around a building would be scarier.
>>286026380
Why don't I know that flying unit?
>>286024750
>rpg to any of the legs
>suddenly immobile
That's alot of weak spots to get Armor on won't that get really heavy?
How the fuck are you gonna power it if it's supposed be fast and able to dodge shit fired at it?
Looks like a single shot will take it out
>>286026098
Youre right! we could "enhance" our older tanks with certain aspects of this new technology. Like adding legs to our tanks!
>>286026803
MK2 flying fortress
From the blackops mod
>>286026674
checkmate mech fags
>>286026737
>same amount of weight as a tank.
And here is where you've made your mistake. A proper mech is not nearly as heavy as a tank. Tanks are heavy to take a lot of fire and to not completely break apart when it fires the cannon. A mech doesn't need to be as strong as a tank and therefore doesn't need to be as heavy.
>>286026624
mechs can't climb anything either, if you can create an engine that could have a mech lift itself up by 1 arm, you can also use said engine to make a tank climb 70° inclines
and if you try to lean with a mech you end up with a toppled mech, meanwhile designing a tank that can extend weaponry around corners is easy enough using simple hydraulics
>>286026758
Mountain bikes
>>286026674
>turn turret sideways
>drive forwards
>>286025791
>filename
>>286026760
up until some durka durka takes it out with a 70's russian portable rocket launcher
>>286026845
An rpg is fatal to a lot more than a mech, anon. The point of a mech is to take out infantry in areas tanks can't reliably navigate.
>>286026956
why? you think a mech won't get hit?
>>286026803
>>286026380
You've seen nothing yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jOWPuqs_sI
>>286027112
Which is certainly not an Urban environment as tanks are good at that.
Mechs are just Tanks with legs.
The legs are only there to make it mor appealing.
>>286026956
God you're fucking dumb. Any amount of weight is going to be more cost effectively moved in a tank than in a mech. 2 lbs or 2 tons it makes no difference. and you're completely wrong about not needing to be as strong as a tank. It needs to be stronger. It's design makes it far more vulnerable to attacks. Hell, it's design makes it far more vulnerable to just breaking down in the middle of fucking nowhere for no god damn reason.
>>286026464
Machines aren't insects
>>286026902
whats funny is the iraqi army had an overwhelming advantage in that battle but lost it and the tanks because they put all the tanks on a goddamn bridge with no infantry support
they got surrounded by ISIS infantry and the tank crews had to bail out and retreat
>>286026956
>less weight
>less armor to protect those legs
>implying you could move a mech fast enough to dodge a tank shell
enjoy being immobile right from deployment
>>286027297
same physics apply.
You're gonna need some big ass legs which aren't gonna move well to move a big ass machine
>>286027195
and besides if you really need to traverse difficult terrain while maintaining mobility and firepower
just use a god damn helicopter, guaranteed its going to be outperforming any mech at everything
>>286025363
What does that do that an AH-64 Apache cannot do?
Exoskeletons > Mechs
You'll see Master Cheif tier armor before you see shitty CATS in your life time..
>>286027001
I missed the bits where tanks are doing flips off of the side of cliffs, anon.
>>286026979
> if you can create an engine that could have a mech lift itself up by 1 arm, you can also use said engine to make a tank climb 70° inclines
>implying
Nah, mechs are lighter and air muscles air considerably stronger for their weight/power ratio.
And while you might be able to make a tank climb a 70 degree incline, it ain't ever gonna get over an obstacle more than 50% of the wheel's height. Because that's physically impossible.
>>286027297
funny considering you want to make a machine that emulates an insect
