Does anyone think that DaS2 lore is better than DaS1?
Nope
The 'quality' of the lore and the way it's told is for the most part identical between the games.
There's just more of it in DaS1.
People will always have personal preferences towards certain characters or aspects of lore but in terms of quality the two games are the same
I doubt it. It's really lacking in substance and some of it just makes no sense.
DaS1 is pretty hard to beat anyway.
>>285775063
Will we be able to wear Not!Artorias' armor?
>>285775063
Which armor set is this?
>>285775740
New enemy for DaS2 - SOTFS on ps4.
DaS 2 does have much deeper story than DaS 1.
DaS 1 is just generic fantasy-trope collection with pretty great telling.
DaS 2 has much more going on.
>>285775823
Is it available in the PC edition as well?
>>285775740
>>285775823
forlorn is a stylish motherfucker.
>>285775063
Everything in DaS2 is better than 1.
>>285775912
DaS1 is a story puerly about old kings dying and light vs dark
DaS2 is about a personal story, rot, decay, and becoming your own person.
>>285775980
Yes. PS4, X1 and PC. Not out till April though.
>>285776117
Thanks a lot.
>>285775912
Well that's just plain wrong.
DaS1 isn't generic at all.
>>285776442
>Good vs evil
>not generic
I'm not saying it's bad, but it's easily more generic tan 2
>>285776552
>das1
>good vs evil
Didn't play it.
All of DaS2's lore was taken from DaS1, so....
>>285776552
DaS1 isn't about good vs. evil. It's actually pretty ambiguous.
>>285776642
>>285776642
Whats the story about then pal?
Dark=bad
Light=good
>>285776801
>Dark=bad
>Light=good
Didn't play it.
>>285776690
The Dark ending fucks the whole world up
The Light ending keeps it going
>>285776552
>>285776801
>DaS1
>Good vs evil
>Dark=bad
>Light=good
Wow you're a fucking idiot. Go watch Vaati's videos and educate yourself.
>>285776923
Did you not see what happened to Oacile? And what happened to manus?
Humanity at its core is a hollow, senseless, destructive force.
Dark=bad
:^)
>>285776975
>>285776801
Hello samefag.
>>285776975
>vaati
>needing others to do thinking for you
>>285777074
>Dark=bad
Didn't play it.
>>285776932
>>285776975
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE REASON THE SOULS COMMUNITY WENT TO SHIT.
FUCK YOU, LORE-FAG SCUM.
>>285777104
Nope and you don't seem to understand that term.
>>285777074
>Humanity at its core is a hollow, senseless, destructive force.
No. No it is not.
The age on man was the natural progression for the world and then Gwyn was a faggot and shit it all up. If anything he's evil cause he was a selfish prick.
>>285777419
Calm down son.
>>285777419
>can't recognize blatant trolling
>>285777271
>>285777224
You guys are literally retarded
The dark ending the time of humans is a living shithole where in the end the aybyss will take over everything and consume everything and the world gets rdeduced to nothing.
>>285777494
>The dark ending the time of humans is a living shithole where in the end the aybyss will take over everything and consume everything and the world gets rdeduced to nothing.
You know this how?
>>285777486
>natural progression is always good :^)
>>285777608
eventully everyone goes hollow and the aybyss spreads.
Did you not play the game?
>>285777769
That happens with both endings anon.
>>285777956
with the light ending you get more time to develop a cure, the dark ending is literally giving up and to live in the moment
>>285777769
>eventully everyone goes hollow and the aybyss spreads
Did...did you play the game? The abyss turns people into those fuckers you see in oolacile.
>>285778082
>more time to develop a cure
Go play the second game or you won't understand the first.
>>285778089
they're hollow beasts anon.
>>285778245
I guess that why they deal DARK damage like the other hollows in the game.
>>285778197
In 2 it's all about despair and how nothing will work, still having the attitude to just give up isn't right.
>>285778380
Aldia figured it all out and realised Gwyn fucked everyone's shit up. There's no way to escape other than to do what Aldia says and just ignore everything.
And what the fuck does that even mean? What is that ending about?
>>285775063
The story of Vendrick was far better than Gwyn's.
>>285778775
That's because it was more fleshed out to the player directly, everything you could infer with Gwyn was great too.
>>285778738
the protag in das 2 has literally found a personal cure to the curse, he has all the time in the world along with alida to find a cure.
>Buy DS2 on release at full price
>Buy the season pass full price
>They announce this fucking re relase
Man I hate these niggas in the industry
>>285775568
no it's not. Dark Souls 2 just has everything haphazardly thrown together and was poorly strung together for any sort of story or lore. the areas were cool, but they were just there, they had no real connection to the world other than the fact that they happen to exist. the same goes for the characters.
Demon's Souls was the only one that made me care about its characters.
>>285779135
That's a way of seeing it. Too bad it's the wrong way
>>285776038
>Soul Memory
>>285779282
then what would be the right way?
>>285779140
Maiden Astraea and Garl, definitely. Probably one of the best boss fights ever.
>>285779383
To be honest, soul memory kills the whole pvp meta thing, but soul memory also allows you to invade/co-op in literally any zone at any point in the game and get someone. It has its positives
>>285779093
>buy collectors xbox360 edition
>season pass
>pc copy
>pc season pass
>SotfS gets announced
>>285779537
>the areas were cool, but they were just there, they had no real connection to the world other than the fact that they happen to exist.
You could say the same thing about DS1 if you didn't speak to NPCs or read item descriptions
>>285775063
In concept, yes.
In execution, not so much.
I find it much more interesting to follow the lore of a kingdom of man that fell due to the curse, and the story of it's king who tried desperately to solve it's secrets, than the first game's plot, which was really just "this guy told me to visit the land of the gods so i will" and then you do.
>>285779683
If only they gave us a FUCKING DISCOUNT
>>285779093
Nothing is being taken away from you, why are you jealous?
You'll get the free patch which adds scholar of the first sin, new item descriptions, and other smaller shit.
People who will buy the full game again for marginally better graphics and different enemy placement are retarded
>>285779835
they are though. PC version will be cheaper than the console version, and Vaati seems to believe there will be a special discount as well. And Vaati is a From shill, so Im inclined to believe him on that
>>285779949
>people who buy the game again for a completely changed PvE experience are retarded
the changed enemies and improved AI is the only reason to get the scholar rerelease. changing a few lore descriptions and adding a single new boss doesnt really add all that much to the game. And Forlorn is obviously going to play some bigger part than we think, given he's on the cover
>>285779949
The new enemy placement is not there, and this guy is not either >>285775990
>>285779739
>if you didn't speak to NPCs or read item descriptions
Thats like reading only every other chapter of a book and then complaining that the story was sparse.
One of the main reasons why modern games are so shit is because developers try to shove everything in your face, like they're scared you'll miss something and some of their work will be wasted.
The best games are ones made by devs who aren't afraid to put stuff in you might miss
>>285779949
I'm not jealous, I'm just mad as fuck
>>285780335
That's what I said, and that's exactly what you should do while playing DS2. The story is there
>>285775990
Have you seen the ingame armor? Those leggings triggered me and the fucking Greatsword he has uses a generic moveset.
>>285780142
>>285780370
Don't you realise how stupid you sound?
If you buy a car, and then a year later the manufacturer brings out a slightly improved model do you call them jews? Do you do that for any other products? Why videogames?
How will the PC community act when the new DX11 version gets released? I think people will buy it anyway.
>>285780716
>If you buy a car, and then a year later the manufacturer brings out a slightly improved model do you call them jews? Do you do that for any other products? Why videogames?
That's a stupid comparison and I won't take your bait
>>285775063
I think the actual themes/ characters are more interesting in Das2, but they were not presented as well as in DaS1
>>285780716
Nope, DX11 scholarship should be 100% fucking free for PC owners. I bought PC version for the best version of the game and they didn't provide that.
>>285775063
Lore surrounding Velstadt was great.
>>285780736
I'm not getting it, I'm a huge souls fag but I'm not buying into this amount of jewery.
I'm curious now and too lazy to check this out
Can you enchant Fume Sword?
>>285780880
why is it a stupid comparison?
Both cost thousands of man hours to design, both were improved after initial release, both new versions are designed to attract attention of customers who missed the initial version (though they won't stop people that want to upgrade, obviously), etc, etc
>>285781253
but they did. If you buy the best model of a car and then a year later the best model gets improved, do you feel entitled to a free upgrade to the 'new best model'?
>>285781598
Fuck no
>>285781601
Still not taking that bait.
>>285781757
Stop with this asinine comparison and choke on Froms cock some more.
>>285780507
>The story is there
i did, and they failed miserably at conveying any sort of good story or lore. nothing seems to connect to each other without trying to be it's own entity within the world striving for more attention over the other.
>>285781885
>>285781905
Just to let you both know I've never played DaS2, and I only got DaS1 free from a friend. I've never personally paid a penny to From.
I'm just wondering why you think the videogame industry is different to every other?
Why should you get a free upgrade when many man hours have been spent on the new version? You're getting a free patch which includes some of the new content, is that not good will enough?
>>285781757
Cars tend to go about 4-5 years without any drastic changes or new trims.
This is a year after release and a drastic change
>>285780643
Wait...what? Why? Why a generic moveset? He's on the cover...
>>285782523
What is wrong with you? I said I'm not buying it. They can do what they want but it doesn't change that it's fucking stupid and I'm not going to give them money for it.
>>285779782
But that's not what Oscar does at all.
>>285782584
>drastic changes
>new enemy placements
>slight graphical upgrade
the rest of the new content is being patched in to the old versions for free.
>>285782667
>its fucking stupid
So you're telling me From should spend hundreds of man hours adding new content and improving their game, man hours which could be spent on a project to actually make money, and then give all that away for free?
That sounds more stupid to me anon
Is this guy a new boss or something?
>>285783057
Yes.
>>285783086
A new invader.
>>285782825
>new enemy placements which completely revamp the maps of areas
>6 player lobbies instead of 4
>A new NPC that constantly invades you (you know, like the pursuer was supposed to, and before that like the chariot was supposed to) plus his in game gear
>DX 11 support on PC
Those are pretty drastic changes. The DX11 support should be free to begin with too. The game should have been DX11 from the fucking get go
All the consoles get is changed lore and aldia
>>285783184
you get new enemy placements from NG+ in the base game, why are the new placements in this version such a big deal?
>6 player lobbies
this will probably make the online experience worse, if anything
>A new NPC that constantly invades you
So its either just going to be a shit version of being invaded by a real person, or it happens so often its annoying as fuck
>DX11 support on pc
granted
>>285782808
oh? he tells you this "saying" in his family, and he dies, so you do what he said. You go to the land of ancient lords, ring the bells, and do what you are told by Frampt/Kaathe
>>285782591
Naw, its got some neat moves.
Its got a REALLY fast horizontal slash when two handed.
>>285783506
>you get new enemy placements from NG+ in the base game, why are the new placements in this version such a big deal?
Because
>A
The new enemy placements didn't take a bunch of resources to create or make, and there's no reason for ps3/360/dx9 to get these placements as all the enemies already exist in the base game. It's simply copy paste
>B
It is a drastic change though, as it changes the difficulty of a lot of areas. Whether it will be good game design remains to be seen though.
>this will probably make the online experience worse, if anything
Ok, it's still a drastic change, especailly for shit like fight clubs
>So its either just going to be a shit version of being invaded by a real person, or it happens so often its annoying as fuck
Again, assuming it is random, it drastically changes the game and was something that was promised to be in the INITIAL release.
>>285783597
It's more than a saying in his family, its a prophesy known all throughout the DaS universe, Solaire even specifically makes himself undead to be part of the prophesy. Loads of the characters talk about it.
Also if you're an undead that's losing his memories and his mind, and then told you can find your purpose by ringing these bells, why the fuck wouldn't you do it?
>>285783506
>you get new enemy placements from NG+
you do not. you just get a few extra enemies tossed in as red phantoms, and a few existing enemies get turned INTO red phantoms just to make them tougher.
this revamps every single enemy and it's placement in the game, its not the same arbitrary additions NG+ makes, which are really more akin to gravelording.
For example, there's now Syan knights guarding king doors, loot is in entirely different locations, (such as pursuer's platform as bait)
>>285784060
You can also find the Grand Lance REALLY early now.
>>285783872
>The new enemy placements didn't take a bunch of resources to create or make
[citation needed]
There would need to be hundreds of hours of testing, then pathfinding bugs would be found, some environments would need to be adjusted to stop enemies getting stuck, they'd have to carefully optimise how many enemies they place and how far they can wander to avoid performance issues, etc.
You clearly don't understand how much work making a game is.
>>285783613
>>285782591
>>285780643
>start an obvious troll thread
>people actually start talking about the game
You fucking faggots, you're supposed to be arguing.
>>285784597
I.... okay... N-never ever, peacocks?
>>285784380
>There would need to be hundreds of hours of testing, then pathfinding bugs would be found, some environments would need to be adjusted to stop enemies getting stuck, they'd have to carefully optimise how many enemies they place and how far they can wander to avoid performance issues, etc
Seeing as these issues are prevalent in all the souls games, I highly doubt they test it all the much.
