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http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/4/8147397/playstation-4-virtual-reality-morpheus
>VR games are taxing on hardware, there is no "target platform" for the PC, and even today Oculus Rift demos require the most powerful graphics cards on the planet. Players could get an OR, bring it home, and be frustrated that they have to upgrade their system, or have to spend significant amounts of time tweaking the settings, but not on Project Morpheus.
>Sony delivered a responsive, 3D control solution that allowed me to reach out, grab two objects, reload a gun by slamming a clip in, and aim in a way that felt real enough to be satisfying. That's something that's rare in virtual reality. Sony doesn't have a head start, they have a finished race while everyone else is trying to figure out how to begin.
>Sony has always had great relationships with indie developers, and indie developers always seem to love Sony. Sony knows how to speak to indie devs, they know how to create a hospitable ecosystem for smaller developers while Oculus and Valve sitting on their hands.
>This is the power of a pure consumer electronics brand making a big bet on VR: They can do everything themselves, and do everything right.
Damn, Sony just BTFO Valve and Oculus.
>>285573285
Fuck off, "120 FPS" is the new "Supercharged PC"
>>285573285
I love how PCshitters are gonna resort to shitposting when this article is filled with truth. Oculus and Valve are gonna fail.
>>285573623
>Valve
>fail
In yo dreams fuck boi
>get rekt in one thread
>maybe if I make another one no one will rape me with arguments again
>vr
>future of anything
>polygon
>>>/out/
>VR games are taxing on hardware
yeah and that is why it will suck on console
>>285573285
>Damn, Sony just BTFO Valve and Oculus.
No.
VR needs 60fps or more to be good. Enjoy using morpheus and playing games at 30fps i guess...
>>285576320
Morpheus is 120fps though...
So
Any games?
>>285576392
And the games are?
I'm so happy every vr headset is going to fail. maybe facebook will shill the oculus rift to casuals, but in a few years they will all be forgotten, like motion controls and 3D ready televisions
>>285576542
They will become 120fps thanks to morpheus extra source power
Thing is bro.
I enjoy PLAYING video games.
I want a screen.
And I want buttons.
The minute these things stop being made is the day I stop.
>Polygon launches out of the box with backers in Geico, Sony, and Unilever. They hope to attract more of those kind of sponsors going forward
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2012/10/24/the-inside-story-of-polygon-the-verges-new-gaming-sister-site/
GEE I WONDER WHO'S BEHIND OP'S POST
>>285576648
They can't even reach 30.
>>285573285
>and even today Oculus Rift demos require the most powerful graphics cards on the planet
What. No.
What?
> Sony knows how to speak to indie devs, they know how to create a hospitable ecosystem for smaller developers while Oculus and Valve sitting on their hands.
Just as Panasonic has to speak to indie devs so the game can get projected onto a TV, right?
>Sony delivered a responsive, 3D control solution that allowed me to reach out, grab two objects, reload a gun by slamming a clip in, and aim in a way that felt real enough to be satisfying
That's already been done in countless other demonstration, but I guess you could argue whether it felt "satisfying" or not, which is highly subjective, making this entire point "I like Sony a god damn much", as if that wasn't clear from the start.
>This is the power of a pure consumer electronics brand making a big bet on VR: They can do everything themselves, and do everything right.
What the fuck does that even mean.
FUCK OFF KUCHERA AND TAKE YOUR PIECE OF SHIT OPINIONS WITH YOU
>>285573285
>Here's why
>Polygon
Lol. No thanks OP.
>>285573285
>polygon
>>285573285
OBJECTIVE AND INDEPENDENT JOURNALISM EVERYONE
Seriously, in every environment but the gaming "journalism", someone would've been fired for that.
>>285576656
Wait, did you post in the right thread?
>>285576648
>Thanks to extra source power
>I have no idea how technology works
>directly linking to polygon
Go fuck yourself
>>285576937
>objective
>literally the words 'opinion piece' in the banner image
think before you post you angsty teen
>>285576707
>The Verge
That reminds me
https://archive.today/0IIXp
I agree with Kuchmagooch. I think Morphues' attachment to the PS4 makes it the easiest to transition into.
Sure, Vive has the Valve attachment but that doesn't matter to the console crowd which isn't being catered to with Oculus or the Vive.
PASTEBIN SO THOSE SHITTERS DON'T GET CLICKS
http://pastebin.com/4gWWyXuw
SPOILER: IT'S A LOAD OF BULLSHIT
>>285573285
>sony takes every one else tech and pushes it out in a shitty form with shitty hardware
So nothings changed? Good.
>linking polygon
is a bannable offense
>>285577176
>>285576707
>guy posts an article pertaining to an opinion about morphues
>faggots argue on the integrity of the website
this is true shitposting
>>285577363
Like reverse Apple.
>>285577123
Didn't click the link
Has Sony showed this thing running on an actual PS4 and got 120fps?
Because it sounds like a load of shit.
>>285577306
PASTEBIN SUCKS
USE THE OTHER ONE WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO READ TEXT FROM THE 90S YOU OLD FUCK
>>285573285
>polygon
>>285573285
Polygon is shilling so hard it's hilarious. Did they forget that the Oculus started as a crowdfunding project? People already voted with their wallets and it was for the Oculus, and now that it has big brother Facebook footing the bill, the sinking ship that is Sony Entertainment has no hope of competing with FB's bottomless bank account.
The DK3 has twin 1440p displays, and the commercial version is going to be even higher res. No screen-door effect, invisible pixels. Weak consoles that can barely maintain 30fps @ 900p arn't even going to be seen as real competition to the VR crowd, they're for casuals and peasants.
>>285577524
oh, totally warrants the complaints then. nice job!
I'm sure it will be a success just like the Move controller.
>>285577646
GO SUCK A SHIT
>>285573285
Counterpoint: Morpheus won't have porn
>>285577791
>implying heavy kickstarter funding isnt just brought on by hype
sure, oculus began the HMD-race but that doesnt mean theyre gonna win
right now, for me at least, both the vive and the morphues sound like much better value propositions for me as somebody that likes using steam and playing valve games and as somebody who understands the convenience factor of having a console such as the ps4
>>285573285
Can't wait for them to realease in the first half or 2016 now that they have a 'finished race'
>>285577123
>Opinion piece
>Loaded with baseless facts that aren't true and made up shit
Go suck a fuck, retard.
>>285577407
Yet /v/ has been plagued by astroturfers since it was announced
>>285578095
Seriously. where do I apply to shill games/tech on the internet? How much do you make?
>>285576510
>it's impossible to lie on the internet
omg I bet that's todd howard!!
>>285573285
>Players could get an OR, bring it home, and be frustrated that they have to upgrade their system, or have to spend significant amounts of time tweaking the settings, but not on Project Morpheus.
>You just have to put up 400 bucks for a PS4
Pass.
>>285576510
this. If someone think is not true he's just delusional
no games though so who cares
>>285578158
>baseless facts
which ones? list them.
this is an opinion piece, not a fucking research paper. either way, he's using his own ideas on what he believes sony has as strong traits that would help them succeed in the vr market.
>>285578253
I also want to be paid for shitposting. Where to I apply?
>>285578095
what the actual fuck am I reading
neither vive nor the morpheus has come out yet and you're ALREADY talking like you have tried oculus rift, morpheus and vive
are you fucking retarded or just a massive shill?
>>285573285
>reload a gun by slamming a clip in
bait
>>285576656
>not wanting to slap around virtual tits with your virtual hand.
>>285573285
i don't want to strap shitty goggles while i play games. Give my my augmented reality already.
>>285576648
that means you have to have additional power of 3 ps4
you'll have to pay at least $1200 for that now add price of the goggles and you'll have to pay at least $1800 for that
>ITT: literally everyone talks out of their ass
>>285573285
When the Move was shown at E3, I had the slightest glimmer of hope for it. I knew in my heart of hearts that it would be garbage, and I wouldn't be buying it, but the tech demos they showed were pretty neat and a lot better then the waggle of the Wii motion controls. There was the slightest chance something could be done with it.
Then it got released and it got somewhere between zero and no good games whatsoever.
Integrating the Move into games takes even less effort then the Morpheus does since it draws no extra CPU or anything like that, and it could potentially work alongside a conventional control system. And devs still didn't want to do it because it was such a tiny market share. At best it was a toy gimmick, that got used twice and tossed away. Why in the flying fuck would the Morpheus be treated any differently? It's got even less footing then another product that already got tossed out and left for dead.
I don't understand console fanboys. I really don't.
>>285578095
assuming this isn't low quality bait, let me ask you one question: have you ever used an oculus rift? I don't care if you like the rift or not, but have you ever used one? because the rift dk1 is an excellent example of why the morpehus and it's shitty resolution will be equivilent to pissing money down the toilet. you can see individual pixels and although you may sometimes feel a sense of immersion, you're always aware you're looking at a screen.
oculus has been improving this with every revision and they're getting closer and closer to retina quality displays, but morpheus will never be able to accomplish this because consoles simply can't handle it.
maybe you can arge that framerate and resolution don't matter on your big ass TV from across the room, but strap that shit to your face and you better believe it does matter.
>>285576510
This guy makes it sound like you have to render the game to both the TV screen and morpheus at the same time.
Why not just render it to the morpheus?
>>285579028
shuthefuckup
>>285573285
Oh yeah, I cant wait for 25FPS@720p VR experience
>>285579028
You have to render it twice because you have 2 fucking eyes. Or atleast need 2 eyes for the 3D effect in case you were too retarded to handle a fork
>>285579028
The morpheus unit is only used to encode what is being displayed to the TV correctly.
>>285579009
http://vr.mkeblx.net/oculus-sim/
It's not a perfect simulation by any means, it's got a lot of little problems. It doesn't do the screen door effect properly for one since there should be a tiny bit of black space between each pixel, but it's a good general idea. 720p is barely usable.
>>285578253
quit pulling out a red herring you fucking faggot
how much are all these glasses gonna cost?
if theyre expensive, then [non-retarded] toaster users arnt gonna go out and drop $600 on glasses
if they are cheap, then you could have poverty tards ablooblooing about how they dont work on the ps3 and 360
Oculus was fucked as soon as Facebook bought it.
>>285579271
The morpheus has only 1 screen.
>>285579009
i have used a rift and it did suck
i'm not getting a morphues because i play games on a pc, i have no need for it but i do understand its appeal
>>285573285
>Unironicly linking polygon
>>285579308
Seriously man, getting paid to shill things and just saying "nuh uh, I'm not a shill" every time somebody calls you out sounds great.
Don't be a jew, just tell me where to sign up.
http://vrfocus.com/archives/12336/amd-announces-new-vr-hmd/
>>285579391
The scene still needs to be rendered twice, along with all the lighting and shadows.
>>285579306
yep, great example. honestly I don't know what the fuck sony is thinking, other than "lets try to jump on this bandwagon while we can". I hope their shitty project dosen't kill VR when consumers see how bad it is.
if PS4 games look bad on a fucking television how bad do you think they're going to look pressed up to your eyeballs? how am I supposed to believe this shit is "real" when the game has screen-tearing, bad AA and filters everywhere to hide the bad textures?
>>285573983
>Valve controller didnt fail
>Steamboxes didnt fail
>Fucking RICOCHET DIDNT FAIL
If you say so. valve has been failing for years, and they havent done anything worthwhile for nearly a decade
>>285580075
>>>Valve controller didnt fail
>>Steamboxes didnt fail
Dude, they weren't even released, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>285578604
Maybe he was playing M1 Garand simulator
>>285579546
youre embarrassing yourself you fucking faggot
Here's the thing, if Sony releases Morpheus before Oculus is released, Sony wins, they will push the ever loving fuck out of the Morpheus and the only people who would give them that level of competition for a VR headset is Facebook
>>285573285
>Polygon
Fucking faggot.
Also, you dont honestly expect the ps4 to make full use of those specs, do you? The ps4 struggles to do 1080p/30fps. Unless they open the device up to be used on PC platforms, that device is already dead.
>>285573285
>clip
I'm triggered.
>Barely any porn on PS4
They do realize that this is the major selling point, right? What will Morpheus be doing to make my waifu real?
>>285576510
this... doesn't sound true at all. why would you have to 'rework the entire engine to render everything twice' on morpheus but not the rift?
>>285578436
>VR games are taxing on hardware
>and even today Oculus Rift demos require the most powerful graphics cards on the planet
>Sony has always had great relationships with indie developers
>they know how to create a hospitable ecosystem for smaller developers while Oculus and Valve sitting on their hands
>VR games are taxing on hardware, there is no "target platform" for the PC, and even today Oculus Rift demos require the most powerful graphics cards on the planet. Players could get an OR, bring it home, and be frustrated that they have to upgrade their system, or have to spend significant amounts of time tweaking the settings, but not on Project Morpheus.
Ps4 have laptop tier hardware, that's why VR is an stupid idea.
>Sony delivered a responsive, 3D control solution that allowed me to reach out, grab two objects, reload a gun by slamming a clip in, and aim in a way that felt real enough to be satisfying. That's something that's rare in virtual reality. Sony doesn't have a head start, they have a finished race while everyone else is trying to figure out how to begin.
There are tons of devices in PC with motion sensors, they are way better than sony stuff
>Sony has always had great relationships with indie developers, and indie developers always seem to love Sony. Sony knows how to speak to indie devs, they know how to create a hospitable ecosystem for smaller developers while Oculus and Valve sitting on their hands.
PC is the lead of the indie scene and Valve is mostly responsable for that.
>This is the power of a pure consumer electronics brand making a big bet on VR: They can do everything themselves, and do everything right.
And yet they are years behind Valve and occulus.
>>285581062
How does Sony "win" when their unit is Ps4 only while the Rift is for PC?
>>285581062
what about the vive, which is releasing before either of the two?
>Move controllers
>no locomotion
Non-starter. No one wants to play a game where you're stuck in one place.
>playing with VR
>on consoles*
>*ALSO ON PC
They're showing up with hardware with specs that will make CV1 look like a fucking holodeck and its tied to a cuckbox that can't fucking drive the thing.
Morpheus is dead-end. 1080p for VR is like going back to an 800x600 CRT. They are BEEFING IT HARD.
>implying 120hz matters when you CANT GET THERE
>implying your superior specs matter when theyre only better than the current DEVKITS and gets blown the fuck out by current competing prototypes
>implying any VR headset not adaptable to PC flight sims and Japanese porn will even come close to winning
Even if you got Morpheus on PC, the Sony pilot is going to get rekt by the guy wearing a CV1. Enjoy looking through a screen door.
>>285581591
do you move around the room when youre playing games or something?
>>285581062
Kinect sold a lot, yet it barely have games, the exactly thing is gonna happend to morpheus, developers have to desing games from the ground to that thing and they have to look like PS2 games to ever archive 120 fps, is gonna be a disaster.
>>285581062
They automatically win if it's cheaper and have an ACTUAL game for it, not just tech demo shit or ham-fisted lazy 'VR-compatible' shit
>>285581882
>do you move around the room when youre playing games or something?
No, but my character does.
>>285573285
>linking polygon
s p a m
https://sys.4chan.org/v/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=285573285
>>285581062
Here's my question.
How is Morpheus going to compete with the CV1 when Morpheus can't even into computers? How can it 'push it out' if it can't even play the same games?
Of course ben kuchera wrote that, is like he loves to be wrong, my guess is that he masturbate to his own stupidity, is like his fetiche.
>>285582050
move controller has analog sticks to move around too
>>285581062
but they're not competing for the same market at all, their devices cannot be used for the same things.
>>285580935
C'mon please? I understand you don't want competition, but it isn't like one or two more shills is going to make you lose your job.
It's gonna be shit, Sony's pretty much confirmed it's using interpolation to achieve "120 Hz"
>>285581478
>this... doesn't sound true at all. why would you have to 'rework the entire engine to render everything twice' on morpheus but not the rift?
With the rift you can just tell the customer they need more powerful hardware. On the console the hardware is fixed so you have to rework the graphics pipeline, potentially making a nasty mess of your game.
Holy shit can shitposting get any more blatant in this board, at least try to hide it a bit goddamn
Nintendo did it first with the Virtual Boy and augmented reality.
>>285582365
Eww motion interpolation is gross
>>285579351
Before everyone jumped on the bandwagon, there were announcements saying that the final version of Occulus will be $300-ish. No idea where it stands now.
oh yeah I can't wait to experience VR on 2007 laptop hardware with interpolation
no fucking thanks
>render game in 1280x720
>blur it and tweak it with some post processing
>upscale resolution
>get it to around 60fps~
>interpolate frames to deliver an effective 120fps~
The magic behind Morpeus.
Though of course less graphically intensive things can run at a high resolution without any deceptive trickery. A closed hallway game like a first person Resident Evil would work pretty well.
>>285582793
>2007 laptop hardware
Love this meme!
>>285582619
People are still figuring out that being first matters about as much as it does in an internet thread as it does IRL. Nintendo's effort was disappointing. Sony is jumping the gun with severely underpowered technology. We're still at minimum a year away from useful devices for the open market. We need to be patient. Jumping on the first 1080p headset to hit the market will give you nothing but literal headaches.
Has any worthwhile statement ever ended with "here's why"?
>>285583038
Someone has to jump on those first 1080p models though. Early adopters make all the difference between "matured technology" and "dead fad".
>>285573285
But the Occulus Rift guys said that the current gen of consoles don´t have enough power for an optimal use of the Occulus rift.
>>285581836
>*ALSO ON PC
yeah so sony makes money either way
>>285580374
>They werent released
Yeah, because they're failures
>>285582619
It never matters who did it first, only who did it the best
>>285573285
Valve and Oculus Rift?
More like VULVA and CUCKULUS RIPPED, am I right guys?
>>285583412
They don't.
But Sony will still gladly sell you a VR headset starting from only $299.
>>285583448
You might be retarded anon, get yourself checked out
>>285582347
this,
morphues will succeed only because its the only console hmd so far
if microsoft made one for the xbox, i dont think itd do so well knowing this is coming out already, hololens doesnt count btw
>this time it's the future of gaming for sure guys!
I want VR to be a thing, but it's not really well suited for action games.
I could see it working best with flight simulators and exploration games (Read: walking simulators).Expect a whole bunch of Gone Homes and other "storytelling" based "experiences".
>>285583172
No.
>polygon
>>285583647
>Condemned 3 with OR
I can dream
>>285576937
Sounds to me like you're a wife beater.
>>285583647
I just want Yume Nikki in 3D done by competent people. Is that so much to ask?
>>285580075
>Valve controller didnt fail
>Steamboxes didnt fail
They're still in development...
>this thread
>/v/ trying to do business analysis
If polygon is reporting that then that's all the more reason to believe the complete opposite
>>285583412
Performance requirements are dependent upon the title, anon.
You could make a low poly count, cartoony looking game, and it would run on the PS4's VR headset without a hitch so long as you didn't overtax the hardware. They could have something like TF2 or Splatoon in VR, and it would run great.
Trying to get something like that latest Killzone game to run smoothly in VR is an entirely different story.
>>285577791
>People already voted with their wallets and it was for the Oculus
And then Oculus and his little autistic kike went to another kike who owns an internet empire and sold out. End of story.
Pretty much every hands on so far from GDC is saying the Vive blows both the Oculus and Sonys shit out of the water.
>>285583349
That's what the devkits are for. And we don't even really need them. It's just wide-scale testing. Launch devices should be 1440p+.
>>285573285
Well, these are definitely some good points. Going mainstream will be near impossible with something that needs a hi-spec PC as a platform. The potential user base is just too low.
Having VR bundled with a PS4 will be way more convenient. I hope Sony doesn't fuck this up.
>"Sony is aiming for either 60 or 120 frames-per-second standard on Project Morpheus"
>yet most PS4 games can't even maintain 60fps(or even 30fps) except for when looking up at the sky
I can't wait for the lies when Morpheus won't perform as well as Oculus or Valve VR.
>>285583949
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/1/8129949/valve-virtual-reality-vive
>Valve is the most powerful force in PC gaming
>In many ways Valve is PC gaming, Steam commands an overwhelming share of the PC gaming space. Oculus has the Gear VR, sure, but users of that device are still waiting for a functioning store to use to purchase games. Developers are also waiting for that store so they can sell games. Valve doesn't have that problem.
>>285584202
They already have. It may be the first to market, but it can only compete against current devkit models. Against the Vive on launch and the CV1, it will lag behind very, very far. They're trying to hit the market with VR tech from RIGHT NOW. Too bad the tech 'right now' is still unsuitable.
>>285584424
valve sucks
>>285577791
>The DK3 has twin 1440p displays, and the commercial version is going to be even higher res. No screen-door effect, invisible pixels. Weak consoles that can barely maintain 30fps @ 900p arn't even going to be seen as real competition to the VR crowd, they're for casuals and peasants.
Spoken like a true fat neckbeard "Master Race" basement dweller. Only a handful of fat permavirgins such as yourself are going to jump on that 1337 train of yours. The masses will jummp on what will be the most convenient and easiest to use. This has always been the case. There are countless cases that support this, but I'm most likely talking to an arrogant and ignorant shitbrain who thinks he is TEH H/-\X0R because he knows how to install loli mods for Skyrim.
>>285584406
>Coming soon, VR Pong only on the PS4!
Here's the thing.
Steam stats show that the vast majority PC players have rigs that are less powerful than a PS4. These are people who don't have the hardware to be able to play win an OR or equivalent. Valve is popular on Reddit and shit but they are just a minority, Valve firmly believes that good products will advertise themselves (lol Wii U).
There are 20 million PS4 owners who can support the Morpheus.
Morpheus will sell more because it has a larger potential user-base and has a company who knows marketing behind it.
>>285573285
>Playstation 4
>Anywhere near capable of producing good VR
Enjoy your 15fps indie games
>>285584406
Having 120HZ doesn't hurt though. Who the fuck said ps4 games had to run at 120fps?
>>285584831
It's not 120Hz, it's at best 60Hz interpolated.
>>285584606
>Sony knows how to market
>>285584606
Nice citations you've got there, shill.
>>285584954
They sold 20 million consoles with no games, dude.
>>285584929
120hz IS 60hz interpolated means double frame rate.
>>285573285
>linking to polygon
die in a fire
>>285573285
SILKY SMOOTH 720p30 VOMIT GOGGLES
>>285585065
No it doesn't you fucking retard. True 120Hz has each frame natively rendered.
>All these people jealous that they couldn't afford a ps4, and won't be able to afford The Morpheus either
>>285573285
From what I've heard the Morpheus thing is too low res and makes you sick. They're trying to cheap out on it and it doesn't work.
Also
>still trying to believe in VR after oculus sudoku'd
Just stop, anon.
>>285585058
based off of dumb luck because of how bad MS&Nintendo shit the bed, not because Sony was doing anything good.
Look at the Vita as an example on how well Sony markets their products when the competition is a viable option.
>functional vr
>consoles
Maybe in 20 years or so when they finally get up to standard, console friends.
>>285585273
but I thought PC was too expensive?
>>285584606
>Valve firmly believes that good products will advertise themselves (lol Wii U)
But anon the Wii U is a piece of shit product. It really is. Please try to keep your fan bias out of it and think about the console itself and all the limitations it has. It's a fucking toaster with barebone EVERYTHING in 2015. Both the 360 and the PS3 - 8 year old consoles had more features and services to offer than that piece of Fisher Price toddler shit. Consumers rightfully ignore it.
If you think that the Wii U should sell gangbusters and lead 8th gen just because of MUH NINTENDO EXPERIENCE® and MUH MARIO™ you are being unreasonable.
>Linking to polygon
>Ever
>Bumping this thread
You faggots just never fucking learn, do you?
Oh boy, I can't wait until I can enjoy my games at 720p at a silky smooth 17 frames per second with the screen right in front of my face.
>>285584568
>The masses will jummp on what will be the most convenient and easiest to use.
so... no VR at all?
>>285585462
>based off of dumb luck because of how bad MS&Nintendo shit the bed, not because Sony was doing anything good.
Yeah, both Microsoft and Nintendo both shat the beds because of bad luck and not because of pure retardation and incompetence and somehow Sony being just as incompetent and retarded lucked out.
Your irrational Sony hate is strong, anon.
The Oculus story ends here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP9MolWGZNE
>>285581062
Sony vs FACEBOOK
gee I wonder who would win that marketing campaign.
>>285573285
>polygon
>>285586224
Facebook easily.
>>285577407
>POLYGON
>>285573285
Great now they just need a device that can render 1080 at 120 fps.
This shit is doomed. Consolefags are the actual graphic whores. They always settle for less gameplay and less framerate if it means more graphics. This VR full of retro indie shit will be impossible to sell to people wanting driveclub or the order type of graphics.
>>285586431
95% of people who use facebook don't have hardware strong enough to support the Oculus Rift.
100% of people who own a PS4 have hardware that support Morpheus.
I really have no fucking idea why Facebook bought Oculus.
>>285577407
Polygon is an awful, awful website.
You want us to discuss this issue? Get rid of the fucking middleman or choose a different one and stop rewarding sites that rely on clickbait to generate revenue.
>>285573285
>linking polygon here
Get fucked and lurk moar you retarded faggot
>>285586190
What the fuck is this gay shit?
>>285573285
>Oculus Rift demos require the most powerful graphics cards on the planet.
Do they really? it's two screens at a not exactly earth shattering resolution, much like a 3ds.
sony cant even design a fucking controller, which is half the fucking reason of owning a console
what makes you think they can do VR?
>>285586038
I only have a PS4&PC retard.
Sony was the only one to not fuck up, that's why they're doing good. At the moment they haven't done anything that makes the PS4 stand out besides simply not pissing off fans.
Is Summer Lesson be in PS4?
>>285586706
But the ps4 wont be able to handle bloodborne at 120 fps, 1080. And thats what the people who bought a ps4 wants. Good graphics. They are not investing in another product to play wii games.
>>285586706
Facebook is more than just Facebook. Sony is a tiny fucking company man.
>>285573285
It's funny how some people think VR will reach the masses.
It won't blow, a lot of people will like it in fact, especially simulator fans, but general public won't.
Movies in VR? Movies are social experience. I mean I sometimes watch them alone on my PC but I don't even care to plug HDMI to my TV when I do it. I'm watching movies on TV when my friends are in, I'm going to cinema on dates etc.
VR in games? On consoles? Wasn't one of the biggest things about consoles the fact that they're played on couch, so they're far more "social experience".
Porn will work with VR. Simulators will work with VR. Some institutions may make VR museums for sightseeing and so one, but I doubt in their commercial success.
But mainstream products? No way.
>>285586706
Games that will support Morpheus will look like shit to run decently.
Try to market that.
Consoles won't be able to achieve presence in VR for at least 10 years at the going rate.
>>285585685
>Both the 360 and the PS3 - 8 year old consoles had more features and services to offer than that piece of Fisher Price toddler shit.
So a PC? Because a PC offers more than what all consoles do bunched together.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/2xxh7t/and_so_the_embargo_ends/cp49ttt
>>285586706
Because Facebook owners know it won't be relevant forever, they want to branch out.
>>285587096
Once the technology gets good and cheap enough and there's something people want to play with it, your average person will want it.
And even with as much progress that has been made in recent years, I don't think it will ever be anything but gimmicky until we can fully simulate all the senses.
>>285583507
Do you have any idea how much shit never ends up getting released because they decide it won't work? Most devs have a list of shit they didn't end up finishing that is five times as long as the stuff they actually did put out.
So I'm supposed to believe that the Playstation 4, which can barely chug games out at 900p 30 fps, is going to be able to give me 2 1080p, 60+ fps screens, one for each eye.
Just think about that. What a joke.
>>285586920
No one thinks they can except for the sites that Sony sponsors.
>>285578694
>>285578694
>and you'll have to pay at least $1800 for that
That's the minimum price for a low tier PC so why are you complaining?
>>285587652
Devs haven't unlocked the real power, the true force contained within the PS4. Expect The Order level graphics with this thing once the devs figure out how to handle the power. Even the people who made the console don't understand how much power it has, the ps4 is like an alien life form. We can see it, but we don't.. Understand it.
>>285587652
No it's one 1080p screen. Which is even worse because that is simply not enough resolution for VR.
>>285587685
Where are you buying your parts, buddy? That might be the cost if you buy an overpriced pre-build, but if you have to do that you should just be playing on consoles with the rest of your kind.
>>285573285
The whole early stage of VR is homebrew.
No company is going to invest into a fully blown VR game, at most it will be a small after through and thus be a bad experience. Homebrew and indie projects that are 100% made for VR are going to lead the platform in the first years which is why a console VR is retarded at this point.
Especially with the horrible performance of consoles the actual experience of the Morpheus in ACTUAL games ( not 'cinematic' experiences ) is questionable. You need a combination of high resolution and high frame rate, which is exactly a combination which PS4 is unable to do with it's underpowered hardware.
>>285576707
So polygon used to shill for ms and now they shill for sony? Not to mention its home to that cockmongler kuchera
Why do people give them traffic again?
>>285584424
You were trying to prove his point, right? I'm not sure what else you would be going for.
>>285588051
Sony sponsors Polygon and Kotaku. They also serve out ads to Giant Bomb, IGN and Gamespot on the regular.
>>285585065
>>285585207
Who cares? Their console only puts out 30fps on a good day.
>>285573285
>giving a shit about waggle 2.0
>>285587282
The problem is that WiiU has subpar services that are considered normal nowadays.
WiiU doesn't even have account systems. UI is sluggish as fuck. It even doesn't support netflix in 1080p for fucks sake(and the netflix app is broken as fuck) - my phone is better than that. Of course you will say buy muh vidya, but typical consumer buys X console instead of Y and Z because
>they have better graphics
>they function as multimedia centre more effectively
>they offer better reliability etc.
>isn't a chore to use
Neither Xbox or PS4 or WiiU have wonky reliability, I'd argue that all of them look decently so the 2 other points remain.
And WiiU is the worst when it comes to it.
So why exactly would you expect it to success?
>>285587479
Anon, my point is that people don't want it. Of course if Apple would launch with their VR headset it would probably work but if Apple would start marketing shiteating, you'd find people eating shit on the street too, but as far as I know they aren't here.
The only use for VR that might attract shit-grinning normalfags are VR chatrooms, so you know, you can meet your friends online in your room but only that Microsoft thing, coupled with kinect may pull it off, eventually.
>>285586706
100% of all Ps4 Sales: 20.2 million
5% of all active Facebook users: 44.5 million
>>285586009
Stop being dumb. Whoever comes up first with the most user friendly version of VR and will be able to market it right will lead for a long time. Period. There will be another 3 or 4 copycats who will be highly successful.
Think Apple or Angry Birds for the masses. Or even the fucking Wii - which was the biggest piece of shit in gaming history and yet that dreck sold over 100 million times, because it set the masses on fire and everyone wanted in on the ride.
VR is a fairly revolutionary technology for Average Joe who does not come into contact with video games or interactive media at all. It can be the new IT thing like smarthphones and tablets have been years ago, until everyfuckingone around the world will have it and it becomes part of our daily life like radio, tv and mobile phones.
It is still totally open which company will be responsible for triggering mass hysteria. It COULD be Sony, it could be Samsung or Apple but it sure as fuck won't be HTC/Valve, they are too niche and are only PC focused - pandering to a small circle of elitist shits.
It has to be a company that could combine and implement VR not only with games but also movies and interactive teaching systems, traveling agencies etc. so it won't only be that little video games toy, but something the broad mass can embrace and use.
I also don't believe Kikeberg will have much success with his Rift, despite Facebook having a userbase of like 2 billion people. They own the tech but they don't own everything around it that would warrant a huge take-off. That is something only traditional tech companies could pull off.
Those are my two cents.
>>285587282
Yes, and I can assure you more PCs are therefore sold than any console. I don't think I understand your point.
>>285587479
Lack of 3D and head-tracking in videogames is a bigger problem than most people think. For so many years now we've been playing games with no depth perception and our character's heads locked in a neck-brace.
The ability to intuitively move your head independently from your body/arms/gun without interrupting movement controls is huge, especially for first-person driving/piloting.
>Polygon
Ayy
>>285588397
Nigga, I want a VR headset. I'm going to buy one when they hit consumer markets.
>>285587935
Nigga it's not some fucking religious artifact
>>285587282
You are being butthurt. People buy consoles for convenience, otherwise no one would buy them ever. Blow it out your ass.
>>285588705
>>285588692
niggamind
VR is going to be as big as 3d televisions. Oh wait.
>>285573285
30 fps 720p
>>285588705
Some say otherwise. There is a Computer-God theory that say that God is a computer and He shall show himself to us. I believe he has come in the form of the Playstation 4.
>>285573285
Don't wanna alarm you, but a ps4 cannot utilize that hardware, its for pc
>>285587043
>Sony is a tiny fucking company man.
This is what PCucks ACTUALLY believe.
>>285573285
>we need better specs than normal on our computers to use this cause it doubles the display output as well as input movement
>but this underpowered computer can run it even better!
>just look at these controls!
Such sound logic
>>285586706
100% of PS4 owners don't have hardware strong enough to support real VR.
>PS4
>60FPS
>VR
>Winning anything
Choose one
>>285588575
>>285586706
BTFO
T
F
O
>>285589201
Say that to Google, Facebook, Apple, Samsung, Mitsubishi or Fujitsu. Sony is fucking tiny man. Even Universal is bigger kek.
>>285589275
I choose winningby picking the PS4 and enjoying true VR pcucks will NEVER EVER seeumad?
>>285573285
>120Hz Headset
>console struggling with sillky smooth 30fps
hehe nice one
>>285589364
100% of PS4 users don't have hardware strong enough to use VR
>>285589275
It'll be literally figuratively legitimately 180 FPS thanks to power of the cells working in cloud optimising the games through blast processing whole the time.
Friendly reminder 3D needs double the framerate. Since PS4 barely does new AAA games at 24fps at 900p, how is it going to do 60fps at a decent resolution for a vr headset?
How can Sony lead anything without showing anything?
Also I don't think the products facebook and microsoft develop can be compared.
>>285589685
For fucks sake. PLEASE read my god damned post.
>>285587935
I explain it ALL HERE.
>>285589416
You are fucking retarded. I hate consoles as much as the next guy, but you are seriously next level stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_information_technology_companies
>>285589765
fuck this guy he doesn't know shit
here's the real deal, believe me I work in IBM
>>285589625
>>285589765
>start race with a limited speed
HAHAHAHA FUCKERS I REACHED MY TOP SPEED BEFORE YOU GUYS
meanwhile pc is going many times as fast and still accelerating
>>285589765
>PLEASE REPLY
>>285588397
>>285588607
>>285588810
No, I don't understand. PCs are literally what you need. They do everything and more on a better scale. Oh it's a question of size? There's always smartphones. If you'd stop buying consoles, we'd all be better off. Top tier graphics, top tier sound quality, no shitty console wars, but you people still defend your consoles "because it's better than a Wii U" like if the Wii U was a great thing to be compared with.
>>285589765
My dad owns the PC industry and he says you're wrong
>>285587935
The main problem with the PS4 is power limits. If they code in too much power the PS4 will be too powerful and might over heat. The console will be fine (It has very good heat shielding, nasa level tech) but it could start fires in your house.
>>285589772
Small time. Look at that fucking market cap.
>>285589948
Why the fuck are you quoting me I've just explained him why has WiiU failed.
>>285589948
It's always the same with this retards.
If you argue technology, they tell you graphics don't matter and that they have better games.
If you point out that it would be better if everyone could play the games on the best system, they say that the PC isn't the best/too expensive
If you point out that an entry grade PC is cheaper than a console, they argue that a console is more convenient.
If you point out that you can hook up a PC to your TV and use controllers, they'll start at the beginning.
>>285585058
Sony gets BTFO every time they go up against actual, decent competition. This isn't like the next gen console war where Sony wins by default by just not being Microsoft.
>>285590171
It's time to stop posting anon.
>>285590292
Now they have no excuse.
>Steam Machines will start at the same price point as game consoles, with higher performance
https://steamdb.info/blog/source2-announcement/
75 million steam users
20 million ps4 users
DURR
FUCKING
HURR
>>285590402
Says the Sony shill.
>>285590513
>75 million
Try around twice that
Around 50% own a PC that shits on the PS4.
>>285573285
>clip
FUCKING NORMALFAG PIECE OF SHIT RETARDED SONYGGER HARDWARE
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>285587685
Wut
How is $1800 the minimum for a 'low tier' PC?
You can get a PC that is better than these consoles for like $500
>>285590601
I'm not a fucking sony shill, I don't even own a fucking console, which makes it all the more infuriating that a fucking braindead spastic like you keeps arguing such retarded points.
>>285590513
Integrated GPU's powering games up to OR/VIVE requirements. Sure.
>>285573285
>3D control solution that allowed me to reach out, grab two objects
HENTAI GAMES TO THE EXTREME!
>>285587685
Low tier PC is $250.
Sorry.
Low tier PC is $20 and runs Puppy/DSL/LegacyOS
>>285573285
There's a good fucking reason Oculus isn't coming out for a long time. VR isn't fucking ready. According to them, the headset needs to display 4K in each eye at a high framerate in order to not induce nausea and disorientation. I don't fucking care about "the power of the PS4", there is nothing Sony can do to get around this. And that means they're going to release this piece of shit Morpheus too early, everyone will hate it because it makes them sick, and then they'll be put off from VR for good. So once again we'll be able to thank Sony for ruining everything.
>>285587989
>>285590753
You are forgetting the poptarts, guys.
Nah, but seriously, that has to be a troll. People thinking 1000 bucks is the minimum for a PC is believable, but 1800 bucks.
>>285590753
Some canadians on youtube did it with 380 USD in two days buying second hand shit.
>>285590513
not quite sure we're you're getting your numbers from
>>285590753
Try as low as $350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg
Why would anyone want to play VR games at 24 fps?
I don't have anything against Sony or any particular hardware platform but come on, consoles are not powerful enough for this. Two gens down? Yeah, we'll see. If you think this is anything but a gimmick to stay relevant enjoy your expensive flip book goggles.
