ITT: Games that have aged like a fine wine.
>pic related
>>285484790
The massive scar of the backtracking for the stupid keys or whatever hold this game back like a lead anchor. Sadly, not wine quality. More like decent beer.
>>285484790
>NEEDS lock on to be playable
I know they were trying to do a throwback what if metroid was 3d type of deal but its terrible sorry.
>>285485281
If you know of it beforehand, you can get a lot of the artifacts much earlier than when the game actually expects you to do it.
>>285485281
I like that part, it brings depth to the environments
>>285485569
You said expects but I think you mean requires.
You have to walk past that red missile door at least to get the space jump boot things and by then you have missiles. Anyone that had to get all 11 in a row didn't Metroid right.
>>285485281
>complaining about backtracking
>in a metroid game
>aged like a fine wine
never got this analogy. That would imply that the game got better over time, since un-aged wine is just smashed grapes
metroid prime was definitely a better experience when it first came out, really I don't know of any games where this isn't true
>aged
Only 2 generations have passed without much changes, are you 15 or what.
>>285484790
If by "fine wine" you mean "goat milk", then sure.
I think OP meant to post Super Metroid, which as time went on only better and better speedrunning techniques and shortcuts were found and showed just how much of a masterpiece is truly is.
>>285484790
Prime was never good so you can't even say it aged like milk.
>>285486183
Probably because 'aged like an 18 year old Speyside that's still in the cask' is a bit long winded.
>>285485281
Just beat MP1 like a few months ago.
Backtracking wasn't bad at all, especially since you often found new shit everytime you did. There were only a few bullshit times, like the one artifact hidden behind a random wall in magmoor that you don't even need x ray to get.
>>285485320git gud bitch nigger
>>285484790
>can't look up/down and walk at the same time
>FPS with lock-on
>wastes the right analog on weapon selection
Yeah nah, this is actually aprimeexample of how a game can actually feel worse as time goes on and we become used to more refined game mechanics.
>>285486374
Goat milk doesn't age.Did I miss the joke and that's what you meant?
>>285485320
>beat it on wii without using the lock on
>didn't had any problemguess you just have to git gud
>playing the AA trilogy after having not touched them for nearly 5 years
>implying the DmC of the series was good
This is the most reddit analogy there is.
>19 years later
>still the best 3d platformer
>>285485569
That requires a second play through and even then you might not remember every location. Many of them you can't just 'know' or explore for. For example the one in magmoor caverns (the rock pillar) is rather random. You can get it rather soon, but you would never know it was there unless you were willing to spam missiles on everything, and at that point in the game, you aren't exactly loaded with missiles.
It's still padding and really unnecessary. Why not just unlock the damn core after Omega is dead? Or maybe fewer of these keys?
Also, knowing they exist makes it less annoying but it's still annoying. In super metroid you are rewarded with different paths and sequence breaks of varying difficulty for knowing before hand, but in this game, it just reduces the time needed to beat the game.
>>285486740
what is this bitch doing
>>285486702
>wii
Beat the GC version without lock-on and then we can talk.
>We stand now upon the brink of destruction... for the Reign of Chaos has come... at last
WOOOOOOOW. REALLY?
>>285486918
Banjo Tooie was a better collectathon
>>285486649
Milk spoils
>>285486918
It really fucking is.
X-Com
>>285485932
>all backtracking is acceptable in a game about squence breaking and exploration
you must also think bad jumps in mario are ok because the game is about jumping.
>>285486918
Too bad the camera and controls are fucking ass
1-3 are still enjoyable to this day
>>285486918
>SUPER MARIO 64 CAME OUT ALMOST 20 FUCKING YEARS AGO
LITERALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE
>>285485932
/thread
![Sonic-2-Cover-Artwork[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/vx8k7oS.png "Sonic-2-Cover-Artwork[1].png")
I hope you dont buy into that hold right meme
>>285486763
Kill yourself.
>>285487283
>about sequence breaking
I'm pretty sure games are not meant to be played by glitching through them
>>285487283
I'll let this post slide if you can differentiate clearly in words what you think the difference is between a bad jump, and a difficult one.
>>285485281
that was backtracking done right. By the time you have to do it, you'll probably have a lot or most of the artifacts unless you are a tard. The game gives you a hint as to where they all are too and you find a ton of new shit while searching for them because you are fully upgraded
If someone could remake this game to fix the awful graphics, terrible controls, and annoying backtracking, it'd be fantastic. As it stands, this game is just tedious.
>>285487325
>kids shitposting on /v/ are younger than SM64
>>285487514
well you also press down and b
or a
or c
since, you know, they all do the same thing
>>285486918
>still the best 3d platformer
Except it's not.
>>285487584
Getting powerbombs early isnt a glitch
Ignoring high jump boots isnt a glitch
wall jumping IS ENCOURAGED
shinespark IS ENCOURAGED
do you even play video games anymore?
>>285487527
Go away headcanonfag no one cares
>>285487584
>Sequence breaking = Glitches
>>285487325
hug me, bro
I don't want to die
I hope there's an afterlife
>>285486918
I'm still waiting for a true sequel.
Banjo games were amazing too.
Why there are no games like this anymore?
>>285487769
yes.
SMG2 is objectively the greatest 3d platformer ever, take off those nostalgia glasses
>>285487862
Sequence breaking is literally reaching a part of a game you aren't meant to yet. Sounds like a glitch to me.
>>285487769
babby's second platformer
>>285487609
>let post slide
if you don't have a counter arguement ill just ignore you. You lost, but can't admit it because you think you are special.
also, thinly disguised 'git gud'
"remember guys, all games are perfect in my eyes because im so good at video games that their flaws are beneath me. praise my abilities"
prove me wrong or try to actually argue.
>>285487769
also a good game, and the better of the galaxy games but ultimately the loss of tightness in controls makes it not as good for me
64 > SMG2 > SMG > 3DW > Sunshine
>>285487683
The problem is that all of the hints are at a single location. also, some hints are only unlocked after you get a few and go back to this location. This is padding.
>>285486740
dear mother of god that's a beatufiul woman
>>285488047
>complains about controls
>lists 64 as the best 3d mario with it's horrible camera controls
time for your meds anon
>>285487769
>linear as fuck
>horrible powerups
>unreliable back/side flip
>waggle to spin
"no"
>>285488009
All I was asking was for you to explain yourself. Never heard of anyone refer to a jump as "bad" unless they're just butthurt about something being too hard. Which is a perfectly reasonable complaint if that's what you meant.
>>285487514
>metropolis zone act 2
>>285488167
what are you talking about? you can scan all of the hints the first time you go to that room
>>285487325
>the xbox 360 is turning 10 this year
>kids who were eight when the 360 was released are old enough to post on 4chan
>they most likely got a 360 as their first console
Is this what getting old feels like
>>285487684
>awful graphics
The game's graphics are fucking amazing, fuck you.
>terrible controls
Metroid Prime Trilogy on the Wii does this almost perfectly, but you're probably one of those faggots that will claim it's shit because of motion controls.
>annoying backtracking
It is a fucking Metroid game dingus. It isn't meant to be a linear hallway.
>>285488237
Im sorry, are you actually implying that Galaxy's camera wasnt shit?
>>285487886
we're posting in our grave
i never wanna die
forever... whatever...
>>285484790
Comparing this fucking garbage to fine wine is actually pretty accurate, considering that wine-snobs can't tell the fucking difference between expensive wine and cheap shit from 7-11 if it isn't actually labeled.
>>285487980
How do you know the intended sequence in super metroid? please, do tell.
protip: you can't. You can't because the game encourages you to use more difficult manuevers to uncover secrets. Secrets that may or may not be access to items before another certain item is requires. Did nintendo intend for us to get ice beam before power bomb? If so, why give us the option to wall jump up to it so early? Same thing with wave beam. How about speed booster before varia suit if you're fast enough?
>>285488237
It's about having agency over controlling your character. Most people get hung up on 64's camera because it is admittedly terrible. But the stuff you could do in terms of movement tech in that game you couldn't do in any later 3D mario.
Sunshine started by removing longjump. Then Galaxy removed dives, made sidehop useless and longjump was all there was, and just added more temporary powerups to make up for it.
>These hipsters that actually dislike fucking Metroid Prime
I really want to know what games you actually enjoy if you truly think Prime is a bad game.
>>285488606
>poorfags
>>285488302
It's simply a thought experiment. I could ask the same thing of you. Hard vs. Bad. sorry, but your logical failure of 'git gud' doesn't work.
How about shooting games? Is bad shooting controls ok in a game that is about shooting?
How about puzzle games? Is a bad puzzle ok in a game about puzzles?
We have many examples of games that have a core concept but fail to deliver in some area (Water Temple in OoT. It's pure tedium, but under your logic it's perfectly acceptable because it's still part of the core gameplay).
btw, prime is a good game, but it has flaws, and one flaw is that it has an obvious, shallow backtracking sequence that adds nothing to it's gameplay. if anything, is a quick bandaid for a game that by comparison to Super Metroid, had less incentive to explore.
>>285488564
Yes
it always had the best automatic view expect for like .001% of the time, but for those instances you can use z to center the camera
>>285489158
>but it has flaws
Every game has flaws. There is not a single game that doesn't have a flaw.
>>285489609
>implying pong has flaws
90s kid identified
>>285489158
>git gud
That was never my argument, I never made any argument. I just wanted you to expand on what you meant by "bad." I thought maybe by bad you meant hard, it was a guess. You still haven't explained your post about what makes certain jumps bad in mario games, but I'll let it go since you appear to be frustrated even though there's no reason to be.
>ANY 3D fifth-generation era game
>aging like wine
Come on
>>285490143
prime was 6th gen butt nugget
>>285489794
Pong is flawed though. The ball doesn't speed up.
>>285490275
But M64 was
>>285490406
lrn2reply
Not replying to anyone is like repl0ying to the OP
>>285484790
First party GameCube games surprisingly hold up very well today:
>Wind Waker
>Metroid Prime 1/2
>Pikmin 1/2
>Melee
>Sunshine
>Etc.
=====INTERMISSION=====
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3Cmea4SR4
The entire genre of NDS puzzle/VN games.
I never played any of them when the NDS was new and I've been marathoning them recently and holy shit, I missed out.
>>285486183
One could say Prime aged like fine wine in that it's more standout now than it was then. We don't really see shit like it anymore, which makes it something extra special in the current gaming climate.
>>285488607
>How do you know the intended sequence in super metroid?
Room design. Being sent past a door you can't open or can't reach, then acquiring an item that allows you to reach it is the most basic form of player guidance.
