When will Western art design actually catch up to Japanese design? The variety and originality in western games is piss poor. It's like a competition who can shit out the most blandest characters fastest.
Akihiko's art alone puts the collective art output of the west to shame.
>Felicia Day and Chobot
The fuck were they thinking?
Broad audience appeal is far more important to western products of any kind. Japan is content to cater to a niche if they can find money in it.
Political inclinations or motivations in design are also more obvious in western products, if only because I'm more familiar with western politics than eastern.
>>285447450
>JAPAN IS SUPER GLORIOUS
>WE SHOULD GO BACK TO BEING SUPER GLORIOUS
and
>NO WE ARE SUPER GLORIOUS BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE MAKE RIGHT NOW
both with
>THE YAKUZA IS LITERALLY PAYING ME TO NOT GIVE A FUCK
Welcome to Japanese politics.
>>285447778
Better than PC bullshit and bleeding the nation dry.
>>285447778
Same like every country then? Only replace Yakuza with foreigners
>>285447450
I think this is very true. When I was at university there was a very strong push to develop games with as broad an appeal as possible... Which I personally found a bit odd to tell to upcoming game designers. It is not like we are going to be instantly making AAA games with massive marketing department. Seems simpler to cater to a fond niche and let fan obsession let them generate interest for you.
Japan is much more willing to pursue niche products. Note that text adventures are still a thing there. Hell, consider Rapelay. If that isn't targetting a niche market and not giving any shits about broad appeal I dunno what is.
>>285450337
>When I was at university there was a very strong push to develop games with as broad an appeal as possible
That is depressing as fuck. I can only imagine all the retarded things they say at "game design" courses. No smoke without fire.
How is snake even "japanese" in the first place?
>>285446362
WHat is the Japanese game on the bottom right?
>Japanese designers
>>285450861
Yakuza Ishin
>>285450767
Do you know that something is Japanese when it's from Japan?
>>285450923
>Yakuza Ishin
Looks awesome.
>>285450767
Haha right one is like Kingdom Hearts or something
but why do I love the right one so much I am such a weeaboo
>>285451150
It is. I'm hoping for a western release. Runs 60 fps 1080p on PS4 too.
>>285446362
Just another weabu faggot
>>285451249
I don't give a fuck about fps and pi. As long as the gamepay isn't shit. Yakuza in classical Japan, mah nig nogg.
>>285451323
>using weeb as negative term on 4chan
>>285446362
>lining up the best of the best
>vs worst of the worst
These faggots on /v/, every day
americans just have low intelligence, therefore they don't have the capacity to make something very deep and creative.
>>285451754
Go ahead and make your own. Nobody is stopping you.
>>285451131
Then how is he different than, say, Captain Price from Call of Duty? They're both veteran soldies hurr durr, but snake is favored for his superior japanese design because he's made by a jap developer, and being made into a stereotypical western soldier somehow doesn't matter.
>inb4 hurr durr he believes in santa so quirky
>>285451941
Snake's design is far more stylized than Price's. I feel bad for you that you don't notice the finer nuances.
Dragons Dogma, Snake and the DS2 Knight are all western designs portrayed by Japanese people.
DD is total Tolkien fantasy, Snake is grizzled Americanu soldier and the knight is generic fantasy hero.
>>285452325
As someone who prefers the Treyarch cods and never liked Price.
Price looks way cooler than Snake anytime.
>>285452325
You shouldn't act retarded just so you can get out of an argument. Unless you provide arguments for what makes Snake's design japanese, I'll assume you're pulling your thoughts out of your ass.
>>285452325
>far more stylised
Lol what?
Apart from the arm and forehead spike, both of which were only introduced in TPP he's just a generic soldier.
>>285452497
It's funny how Nips are better at Western historical design than western devs. Western devs truly are the worst.
>there are people on /v/ who prefer western games over Japanese games
Fucking lel
Why is there never a fair comparison? You are seriously comparing in-game images to concept art. Jesus.
>>285452626
How is it any better or worse? There's nothing particularly amazing about any of them and I like all 3 of those games.
>there people who think japs make good games
kek
>>285452626
>america sucks at designing anything else than american bullshit
What a surprise.
>>285452585
>>285452585
>Unless you provide arguments for what makes Snake's design japanese
BECAUSE FUCKING JAPANESE GUY FROM JAPAN MADE IT. INSPIRATIONAL SOURCES ARE MEANINGLESS SINCE EVERYTHING IS DERIVED FROM SOMETHING ELSE.
>>285452738
I'm sorry I'd rather have fun than grind endlessly.
>>285452585
Headband
>>285453002
Yeah enjoy your SJW filled trash anon! Congrats on being the cancer killing vidya.
>>285452585
Are you one of those that believe that a western game can be a JRPG?
Why come we never get a thread like this that isn't cherrypicked to hell.
It would make for a really interesting discussion of comparisons if it was taken seriously.
>>285453107
Yeah whatever. I'll continue to enjoy it while you spew hate over your insecurities.
>>285452771
>OP making a fair argument
But that would be the sensible thing to do, Anon, you should know by now that's not how it works anymore.
It's no longer about the discussion, it's about the circlejerk. Good threads die while threads that aren't even video games thrive.
>>285452956
Why so mad?
That's like saying that an anime image drawn by an American guy isn't anime because that particular piece wasn't made in GRORIOUS NIPPON
>>285453230
Tell me what wonderful western games are you playing right now
>>285453107
>he likes something I don't like
>let me throw out a bunch of buzzwords
I'll throw them right back. Enjoy your pedophile enabling cliche infested epic OC characters and super deep Japanese storiesu
>>285453204
Then make one. Compare the best of east to best of west. I'd appreciate that.
>>285453339
binding of isaac
>>285453339
Starcraft 2, Darkest Dungeon, Silent Hunter 3
>>285453339
Transistor.
>tfw japanese devs will never make a masterpiece like TLOU
>>285453240
Anime is something explicitly Japanese. If a westerner does it, it's animation. Not the same thing at all.
>>285453664
>tumblr the game
>>285446362
Oh nice, I love cherry picking threads
>>285453569
Early Access shit and dead online game. Atleast switch to Homeworld.
>>285453442
The west is creatively bankrupt unlike japan
>>285453529
I think it would work best as a small collaboration between 2-3 Eastern-Design-Preferring Anons and 2-3 Western-Design-Preferring Anons so we can get a compounded effort on both sides to enable actual comparison and subsequent discussion, as opposed to one guy with a clear preference or just some meme hog making an epic post.
I don't believe I play enough games on either side to be of much use.
>>285453752
I don't get it.
>>285453929
thats why we are getting generic jrpg every year
i mean look ad COD, even they were more innovative/creative with AW than any jap dev
To all complaining about cherry-picked image, feel free to make your own. Nobody is stopping you.
>>285453569
>Darkest Dungeon
I hope you didn't spend money on that
>>285453927
You don't understand that someone can actually have fun without caring for a bunch of shitters trying to impose their "taste", do you?
>>285454078
ok
>asian side stays the same
>western delete all and put TLOU only
Western wins easily
gg wp
>>285454073
You type like a retard. No wonder you're defending fucking CoD.
>>285454040
Yeah I'm not sure where I was going on that one
>>285454073
>I don't like something so everything in that genre is generic
Great argument brah
It's not designers bad, it's fucking 3D and 2D artist are bad, and most of the time 3D and 2D production work outsourced in 3rd world countries for cheap.
Anime is just cartoons.
>>285454223
>the truth hurts the post
>>285454106
He asked what am I playing RIGHT NOW, not what's my favorite game of all time. And what does it matter? Some people actually make money and they don't feel bad about spending 0.5% of it on a videogame. And no, I didn't buy it, my friend did.
>>285454223
At least you can admit it.
And this is in game art from EA game. Looks like 13y old teen work from deviantart.
>>285453929
Except all Japanese stories are just crazy fantastical so it makes you believe its super creative when really anyone who has taken large amounts of hallucinogens can come up with something just as crazy and random
Japanese games hardly make any sense at all they're just overly flashy cartoons with FF style gameplay shoved in and some fan service in the form of anime girls who were designed in under a week
>>285453929
What is so creative about japanese media? The variety of visuals they can come with simply comes from the fact that their visuals are low-detailed, there aren't a lot of restrictions as to what can be drawned without it looking retarded.
Outside visual aspects, seems to me they are using the same tropes over and over again, even more than the western media.
>>285454676
And this is artwork for FFXIII.
Looks like weaboo cancer faggotry.
>>285454676
You Japan lovers will shit on anything. Fucking worse then /i/. That doesn't look bad at all.
>>285452497
>DD is total Tolkien fantasy
It's more D&D, really.
>>285454756
>Except all Japanese stories
>all
Think about what you just said.
The west only hires shitty artists for video games.
>>285453139
That's not a belief, that's just fact. Anyone who disagrees obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word and is therefore not qualified to give their opinion on the subject.
>>285454917
Jesus Christ Hope's proportions make my stomach turn.
>>285454917
Not enough Chobot, bald space marine and Felicia Day for my superior western taste.
The Orcs in Skyrim look good though. They're not supposed to be aesthetically pleasing. Their deity got eaten and literally got shat out.
>>285455069
Are you saying Naruto is not fantastical?
WHAT?!
>>285455069
I meant to say Accept it
>>285454917
Literally everyone thinks FFXIII is a piece of shit though.
snake was based on kurt russel that makes him an american design
And now here is a quality artwork
Obviously, from a western dev.
>people would actually rather run around as an autistic loli trying to "save the universe" by being annoying as fuck than cleave and rend their way through endless tides of enemies as a savage war hero
>>285455314
Kurt Russel has Irish ancestry. That makes him European design.
>>285455069
>interpreting someone litterally over the internet when you know perfectly what they mean
>>285454917
Looks very good
>>285455423
>being an edgy 14 year old
How is puberty working out?
>>285455490
>weeaboo detected
Cosmical horror is now an 8 years old girl.
>>285455241
Actually naruto is a perfect example. A decent concept that was thrown to the wind in favor of a "deep" plot that didn't make any sense at all towards the end. All the" crazy cool" eye powers and plot twists in the world couldn't save it.
>>285455294
Except for those who have played it
>>285454676
But this looks cool. >>285454917 looks like shit but that's only because FFXIII is just bad in general.
>>285455394
>>285454917
Well there's something these two terrible games have in common, they're movies where you walk in a straight line from event to event.
>>285455427
America is a European design.
>>285455545
Pretty good considering the only pussy I see isn't hand-drawn.
>>285455545
>wanting to play as a little girl
How's being a neckbeard working out for you?
And on this slide, beautiful western game art.
>>285455423
>people would actually rather run around as an autistic loli trying to "save the universe" by being annoying as fuck
>people want to be a loli
>not Zabrak masterrace
faggots everywhere
>>285452852
That is indeed really fucking true, because Red Dead Redemption had great character designs, for a western (hhhhehehe) game
>>285455758
>not enjoying best of both worlds
>>285455565
>nyarlathotep
>not just black DIO
>>285455651
>TLOU
>movie
kek
Any MGS & FF is more movie than Last of Us will ever be.
The exception is the Last of Us is such a high quality story & game that it will be actually made into a movie.
Jelly japfags
Japs doesnt have Naughty Dog you faggots haha
>>285446362
This is something I wonder about all the time and I think it has to do with western developers doing things by committee including artistic direction. I have a lot of artbooks and collect them, but most of them are from japanese games. And this is because a lot of western concept art is pushed out, very unrefined kinda value built pieces of work. Like random jots of artistic information but nothing that really has much personality to it. Look at Feng Zhu's work compared to Akihiko yoshida's. I think japanese developers are just more willing to let one artist direct the aesthetic as opposed to a bunch of concept artists they just hired for that job. Kazuma Kaneko is another good example and smt games have a distinct aesthetic to them because of it.
You only really get to see the sort of direction that japanese games have in the west when it comes to indie games. Skullgirls, Bastion, Darkest Dungeon all have one singular artist coming up with the assets and providing the artistic direction for the entire game. Triple A games are created with hundreds of people and you have multiple artist pushing out shit at the same time trying to appeal to a market. That's what I think at least.
>>285446362
>most blandest
spot the bait
>>285455786
My nigger.
Pic related, my wallpaper.
>>285455785
>being this insecure
I feel bad about you and your Facebook-approved taste.
>>285456061
Only decent reply in this thread.
>>285451323
>>285451392
You both don't even know what a weeaboo is.
>>285456126
She can't have actual breasts because that would make SJWs angry.
>>285456147
I don't have Facebook approved taste. I play what I want. If I like a game I play it and if it's slightly weird I just don't share it with people I know wouldn't appreciate it. The fact is I don't want to play shitty modern Japanese games like Neptunia because they're fucking cringe worthy even playing it alone in a dark room in the middle of the night. I couldn't make it past the first 2 hours on Re;Birth because I just kept laughing at the game and cringing at the stereotypical weeb shit that was in every single damned sentence
>>285454939
>photobash on background
>poop brown photoshop filter ground
>photoshop brush thunder
>whole color is fucked
>perspective is fucked
>those pasted details with visible white border
Yeah, looks great.
>I've always been into Western RPGs, and that's what we make. I've never been into Japanese RPGs because I want to roam, and traditionally they don't let you do that. I find that in Japanese art, and science fiction and fantasy, that it's super fantastical. In Western stuff, it tries to get more realistic, as much as it can for what it is. So like, we'll approach it like- this is fantasy with elves, and swords, and dragons, but it has to feel real, like this could happen, or did happen, even with Mass Effect and the way it approaches science fiction. But when you see the Japanese ones, it's crazy on another level...like that looks cool, but that's nuts, it's really high fantasy, it's really crazy science fiction...and then the earth eats itself...and then why are there nukes, and...I have trouble with my father and mother. I don't get into that stuff, I think because I can't wrap my hands around it, so it doesn't suspend my disbelief in the way like- sort of like Red Dead, where immediately you think this is all real, I'm here, I'm doing this, and these are real places in the West even though they're made up.
>>285456686
He is in no position to talk. Skyrim sucked shit.
>>285446362
I know the western shit is cherry picked but you tend to see uglier characters in western games because western games focus more on trying to be realistic and most people are ugly, therefore having ugly people in your game makes it realistic.
>>285456873
Better than any of the shit Japan shovels out
I dunno OP. I think you just might be cherry picking.
The west focuses on creating ugly characters because they don't want to upset the landwhales or SJWs that inhabit the west.
Japan creates beautiful characters because they don't care about SJWs, and know that no one will ever be this perfect, so they draw them perfect.
>>285456873
What he says stills holds relevance
Even if Skyrim sucked shit it's story was grounded in reality enough to at least explain it to someone without them having to play the game. It is a fantasy story that's more rooted in realism.
Try explaining FFXs story though
>>285457056
fucking lel
>>285457206
>It is a fantasy story that's more rooted in realism.
Not only that, but also in tradition. It has instantly recognisable cultural touchstones likewyverns
>>285457129
That's a nice theory but I honestly think you're slightly obsessed and it's causing you to vastly overestimate the attention anyone else pays to SJWs.
In reality it's probably a simple matter of differing tastes.
>>285457129
No they aren't. Western devs want realistic characters with which the players can identify with. No one in the world can identify with the slut you posted.
>>285457206
FFX has a greater human touch than Skyrim ever could. You don't need to understand everything so long as you understand the characters.
>>285457129
Japan creates "beautiful" fictional characters because they cant stand how shit their real life is and thats why they aren't having children anymore
>>285457129
West create ugly characters because they can't afford good 3D artists.
Took 6 years to fix ugly faces, and still random mod maker can do it 10 times better
>>285456873
And yet there's no Jap game that will give me an equal or greater feeling of exploration.
>>285457117
>>285457129
Generic animu ≠perfection. That's just what the Japs trained you to think.
>>285457540
Japanese women suck. Go figure.
WEST > EAST
>>285457582
Dragon's Dogma. Dark Souls. SOTN. FFIX. Try those.
>>285457594
>>285457582
Skyrim is fucking shit. The only good Elder Scrolls game is Morrowind.
>>285457970
Pc hipsters are so obnoxious
>>285458121
Morrowind was on the Xbox too, though you're probably too young to remember that console
>>285458121
You have to be 18 to post here
>>285458223
>tfw I beat the entire game on the original xbox
God that was an awful experience. Loading screens every 5 steps.
>>285457678
>men don't spend a lot of time at home
>women are busy as fuck
>no time for kids
>massive pressure on youth's shoulder
>government is elected by elders, and therefore isn't cattering to its active population as much as it should
>this lack of catter makes it hard economically to have a child
>education and cost of life that would come with having a kid is too high for many families
Name one good JRPG to come out in the last 3 years
>>285457839
Who is the chick to the left of Cortana?
>>285457101
That was the past, nigger.
Japan has been dominating nonstop of late.
>>285457828
You're not even trying
>>285458342
Whatever I post you'll just call it shit so why bother?
>>285458374
Absolutely lel
>>285458342
Ys Celceta
>>285458374
kek
>>285457937
>>285458516
If it's Atelier, Tales, or Neptunia yes I will call it shit
>>285458670
>Destiny
Stop
Please
>>285458670
>supporting Destiny
Good goy
>>285458768
>>285458780
Last I checked, this was about character design, not overall game.
>>285458768
If we can only use good games then the West wins by default.
>>285458728
>Atelier
Glad to know you've never played the series.
>>285458348
I think Western art styles are more expressive and diverse anyways.
>>285458728
>Atelier
Explain
>>285451918
The only flaw that DD had was being poorly optimized and also running on older tech. The presentation between the three are nearly identical, except vanilla Skyrim looks plastic, and Inquisition looks like everyone is melting because of the lights.
>>285458346
Some bitch from Bulletstorm, forgot her name, the pirate chick next to her is what im interested in
Can't we just stop fighting and enjoy all video games?
>>285458314
Yeah, most of Japan's problem comes from its workaholic culture.
Young adults are so pressured by societies to find a job and stick to it that any project going outside of that is hard to settle on (eg having a child). Working on their carreers for most of their youth, once they reach the financial stability suitable for a kid it's too late.
>>285459143
He's never played it, he's just triggered by the artstyle.
>>285456061
This. Persona 5 advertisements is a good example. They use artists names to hype the game, I don't think it's currently possible for western video games industry.
>>285459143
Because you don't play as a big middle aged man with a shaved head so it's 'weeb shit' even though it's one of the most unique series in the modern RPG genre.
>>285458670
>>285459517
Is there supposed to be anything impressive about generic soldier?
>>285458909
And never will
>>285459396
No because you play as a little fucking girl who most assuredly says retarded pandering weeb shit throughout the game
>>285457101
>muh cookie cutter realism
vs
>expressionistic piece of art full of character
>>285459756
Congrats, you've proven you're a band wagoning faggot who can't think for himself and just parrots what he reads on /v.
![2516667-child+of+light+-+chapter+4+part+2+-+2014-04-24+10-46-5801[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XW9PQdt.jpg "2516667-child+of+light+-+chapter+4+part+2+-+2014-04-24+10-46-5801[1].jpg")
>>285459096
Exactly. There's plenty of variety if you know where to look. And even within the "realistic" majority there's plenty of stylisation. Beats having anime all the time, at any rate.
>>285459509
>Comparing an action adventure to Skyrim
This is as bad as when Prototype and Infamous were compared to one another when they played and worked with vast differences.
>>285459734
You're right. This is a better example. The webm is all I had on hand until now.
>>285459734
>>285459734
>generic
I hate this Buzzword because it's just a term that buttblasted Nippon dicksuckers use to justify their special snowflake characters all with unique things that make them individual
Most people in real life are hardly distinguishable from another save for a few small personality traits
Generic is just to say realistic because everyone is generic and those who aren't usually are wearing trench coats and fedoras
>>285459652
>>285459979
Child of Light is a lesser Ateliers
>>285459861
>good western art
vs
>shit eastern art
Fixed
>>285460019
Go figure that the western shit eaters in this thread support Call of Duty
>>285459923
Fuck off Jutsu Lord
>>285446362
Can someone shop the bottom part to have lots of awesome western character designs and replace the text in the middle with "Its all the same"?
>>285459861
>expressionistic
pls learn what words mean
>>285460362
>Implying AW isn't the best CoD MP to come out since 4.
The art design is a bonus too. Go figure the "Japan is superior than all others" weeaboo squad wouldn't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Also why are we only discussing humans design?
>>285459861
>cookie cutter realism
>inexpressive
ja, okay
>>285460921
Whoops. Forgot my pic.
>>285461080
The weeb squad is just gonna shit on it because it's too generic and not anime and not made in grorious Nippon
>>285461232
Not to turn down an agreeing opinion, but that is a repetition of my post.
>>285446362
>most blandest
>>285461080
literally a fucking turtle, are you even trying?
>>285456464
She has breasts, they just aren't balloon tits. Game designers over emphasized body parts due to poor graphics in early games, this led to people thinking DDD sized breasts as being normal in games. If you saw half the ladies in video games in the real world you would either laugh at them or just think they are pregnant because their massive breasts would be dropping all the way to their waists.
>>285457101
>What is style
>mfw this entire fucking thread
>>285461768
Wow. Jap devs were making video games before video games even existed. Just look at the immediate LOD change about half way up the image.
>>285461768
>I don't suck, it's just my STYLE
Japan confirmed for Deviantart. They even draw anime characters.
>>285457839
Who is the pirate captain in the top row? The one with the huge tig bits?
>>285461768
something the japs do exceedingly poorly?
I want that samurai game up at the top.
