Why has gameplay slowed down so much over time?
btw im a girl
Only in FPS because of muh realism
>>284245565
increase in popularity -> wider audience -> worse lower common denominator
>>284245565
So it's easier for more people to play and thus can make the developers more money
because you arent playing good games
Accessability
Also muh graphix over gameplay.
Fast =/= instantly better.
Get lost Sonic.
because consoles and silky smooth 25fps
Consoles because controllers are slower than mice in first person shooters and also cutting corners to look good means there is a lower framerate so they slow down the gameplay to compensate.
It hasn't.
This is like complaining there's no good music now but all you've done is listened to the pop top 10.
Don't be a professional victim.
>>284245565
That WebM is neither fast nor impressive.
>>284245846
What's that from again
>>284245839
Look at this slowfag and laugh.
>>284245974
Men in Black
Because the quality of a game is not directly proportional to its gameplay speed.
>>284246079
In shooters it almost always is.
>>284245565
because not everybody wants to play quake
not every game has to be quake
why do you idiots have to bitch and moan that every single game in a genre isn't like your one single game that has been posted into oblivion to the point where its just a meme
>>284246337
I bet you play call of duty.
>>284246148
Can you explain why in objective terms?
consoles, plain and simple.
>>284246148
Maybe if you only like arena shooters.
gamepads
>>284246517
I don't even like FPS that much and I've never played CoD, its just that /v/ runs with this bullshit that every game has to be like the one game in its genre that they've fixated upon. For FPS is every game isn't like quake its shit, and for no other reason than to fit in.
Individual series can do its own thing, and if you don't like it, don't support it, theres nothing wrong with being different, and if it hurts your hardcore gamer ego, then grow the fuck up.
>racing games used to be about pure speed, now its how fotoreeeeeeel rain drops look on the street at 20 fps
Love how OP never stated he thought faster paced gameplay is better yet people still led to this conclusion and argued it
>>284246901
>>284246337
They are probably bitching and moaning because Arena FPS games are dead no matter how hard a few indie devs try to bring it back. So they have nothing.
>>284246521
Every shooter that is fast always has higher skill ceilings and more fundamental gameplay. Slower shooters for the most part are about at most alittle bit of map control and who sees who and ADS first. Counterstrike is literally one of the few exceptions to all this.
In arena shooters and shooters of old movement creates having to read players , far more map control because you can develop patterns on how to try to lock down multiple areas well constantly moving and the ability to dodge on the fly. Its far more then just seeing the other person first or relying on having simply better reactions and not fundamentals.
Also for single player shooters like DOOM , Serious Sam and Hexen they allow the designer to throw a shit ton of shit at the player which feels awesome well still being very doable. Most shooters have shit campaigns now because all you fight is hordes of dudes and they just sit behind cover peeking out sometimes.
>>284246662
Counterstrike plays extremely fast and is the best military esque shooter for it.
>>284247187
What's even better is that indie devs actually attempt to make new Arena FPS games to revive the genre, and then the quakefags immediately shit on it for having the audacity to not play exactly like quake.
>>284246337
And yet everyone bitches if something new is done in the military shooter cluster fuck saying MUH REALISM MUH REALISM the second anything that requires suspension of disbelief.
Its really disgusting as shit as Titan Fall is for other reasons it tried to mix speed with military shooter trash and failed miserably. Military shooter fags are far worse. Unreal Tournament , Quake and Tribes all played differently in fundamental ways well almost all military shooters don't also.
>>284245565
Consoles. All current games have to be made with console controllers in mind. That is why Crysis 1 which is a PC game plays faster than 3 which is COD slow. Regular sprint in Crysis 1 is faster than Maximum Speed in Crysis 3. Think about that for a second.
>>284247474
I mean, if you're going to advertise your game as being inspired by games like Quake, and you know your fanbase is hurting for more games like it, you shouldn't be surprised when people aren't happy that that's not the case.
>>284247187
Indie Arena Shooter devs fuck themselves over by being purely on PC because Quakefags are all that is left nowadays and will shit on them. Also whenever i see a trailer its almost always pure cancer. Instead of marketing their game they just throw around a elitist attitude of NO KILLSTREAKS SUPER FAST NO AIM DOWN SIGHTS FUCK PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE!!!!
So they got a combination of Quakefags that shit on them and shitting on someone who might be casual or interested and scare them away from a awesome genre and possible awesome game.
>>284247214
>Counterstrike plays extremely fast
It really doesn't, especially if you're using Quake as the speed benchmark.
>and is the best military esque shooter for it.
Ya, no.
Do you think Operation Flashpoint or ARMA would be better with the soldiers ice skating around? "Skill" can come from things other than how fast you can hop around.
>>284245565
Console fags
/thread
Is it true you can't compete in fastpaced games after you hit 30 or is that just shit made up by national geographic or whatever to try to sound interesting?
>>284245565
because you cant go that fast with a gamepag and still be able to aim
>>284245565
Consoles and their shitty turret like controls.
>>284245565
consoles.
>>284248089
Your reflexes slow down but it's still possible. Even athletes are capable of playing into their 40s. The bigger issue is that most people don't take care of their bodies at all so they deteriorate faster
>>284247861
I don't think you're capable of reading the start of this conversation. I said "most of the time" and said CS was a example of a game that works without being extremely fast. You listed 2 other few examples. Most shooters with mass popularity nowadays are extremely slow games that would benefit from speed.
Hell its really fucking pathetic Evolve is what it is. Because if you took that Hunter gameplay and made a player versus player game mode with some tweaks to some things it would be amazing. It moves extremely fast and the air dashing is just magical.
>>284248298
you mean 'bigger issue' for actual athletes, right?
I'll prolly take steroids when I'm well into my 30s-40s to try to reverse some of that aging I guess.
>>284248089
it seems more like when you pass a certain age range the twitchy fast paced games just don't interest you anymore. its like when kids love sugary or sour candy in their youth and later in life they just dont have the taste for it anymore and move on to other ways to satisfy their needs for sweetness.
>>284248642
No I mean for normal people, especially gamers. If you seriously want to compete at top level for a long time in gaming you have to take care of your body. Stuff like hand exercises, a decent diet, moderate exercise, etc. goes a long way for longevity. The burnout rate for pro gamers is extremely high and fast. A lot of doctors and managers say it's more to do with terrible upkeep than signs of aging. Mental breakdowns happen a lot too.
>>284248381
>Most shooters with mass popularity nowadays are extremely slow games that would benefit from speed.
I just don't agree. There are a lot of things you can do to increase a skill ceiling without increasing movement speeds. There's room for shooters with fast movement speed and slow movement speed. I wouldn't even classify games like COD as having "slow" movement speed, arena shooters just have you moving abnormally fast.
>>284249345
>arena shooters just have you moving abnormally fast.
Well yeah. But we're talking about Arena FPS games so relatively speaking games like CoD are pretty slow.
Realism, I guess
I remember playing shit like that on the school computers
>>284249605
Holy fucking shit
To pad out game length. Imagine if The Order 1886 was this fast.
Because Quake is for super nerds on meth.
>>284245565
>quake 3 was on ps2
People prefer "realism" over arcade gameplay.
Well actually, that's not completely true....
People seem to prefer a middle ground between ultra realistic and ultra arcade. This applies to a lot of genres really:
>Project CARS vs Need for Speed vs Ridge Racer
>ARMA vs Battlefield vs Quake
>Combat Simulator vs Ace Combat vs Star Fox
>>284249605
That's TAS but damn the potential in that game is ridiculous
>>284250113
interesting perspective there, makes sense too; too extreme either way and you just attract the biggest of faggots
>>284245565
Give me a break dude, I'm not 12 years old anymore. I can't keep up with that speed like I could in my youth.
>tfw no game will ever have movement as good as quake world again
Because if you're moving fast you can travel a longer distance in a given time, meaning you need larger levels.
Slow paced gameplay = smaller levels suffice = less work. Hope you enjoy those AAA graphics because that's one of the many, many sacrifices for pretty pictures.
>>284250613
needs more memes in csgog pannel
>>284245565
Because most people want slower games.
>>284251063
But a lot of quake maps like aerowalk are tiny by modern fps standards
>>284245565
Why aren't you playing Unreal Tournament 4?
https://forums.unrealtournament.com/download.php?return=http://www.unrealtournament.com
Git gud faggots
>>284251352
Quake came with shitloads of maps though, absolutely dwarving whatever modern FPS put out.
is there any popular FPS games that aren't csgo?
dirty bomb beta was fun but a bit too slow
>>284251356
They really snuck it out the door, thanks anon
>>284245565
Go play Quake if you want to play Quake you stupid dumbass lol
>>284251575
By popular do you mean has an active community or actually CS:GO-tier popular? I don't know if I know the answer but you might want to specify stuff like this so you get some good answers.
>>284251575
tf2, cod, there is quake live and many many more
Less autism.
>>284251575
lmao what dirty bomb is pretty fast compared to games like cpma
>>284245565
because developers fix giant gamebreaking movement bugs in development now.
>>284251575
Dirty Bomb looks kind of cool, haven't heard of it until now.
It's Nexon though, which has me worried. How is it looking on that front?
>>284252175
dirty bomb faster than cpma? i don't think i agree with that at all, i mean just the way the maps and game modes are set up in dirty bomb make it so you can't really move around the map a lot.
>>284245565
casual shiiters cry if they are challenged.
anyone have the LoL vs SC2 webm?
>>284252353
surprisingly not shit
they're the publishers
>>284251986
was thinking something with a MM system that didn't take too much extra input from starters
don't like quake live, auto bhop is just dumb
>>284245565
Nobody wants to play any fast games anymore
The community of shitters that's left to keep any of them alive just says >lol why not just play quake
>>284252353
I think they're taking the league of legends/tf2 approach where you start out with some classes/weapons unlocked and you can unlock more with points you earn for playing or cash.
And the paid/unlockable weapons/classes aren't objectively better than the defaults.
Everything's still subject to change of course though
>>284251575
tf2 is the only fps I play.
It'sfun
>>284245565
Because casual players can't handle faster gameplay (it does take some getting used to), and consoles can't either.
>>284249605
lose it every time I see him going nuts in the top left
>>284252890
i've already had a life time worth's of tf2
played gold UGC for 2 seasons with the medals to show for it
i'm done
>>284249605
Holy fuck falcon's icon in the corner
>Moving fast mens its fast gameplay
I've had 2 keks
>mfw game designers cater to the super beta casual crowd
>games get progressively easier and slower because casual shitters cannot handle challenges or literally have the skills for fast gameplay.
>mfw mainstream indie devs churn out walking simulators and hugbox simulators for tender casuals.
>mfw literally the only people who will be left to make games are unheard of underground devs , modders and non-profits.
>>284253213
TF2 is one of the most profitable games Valve owns. I know people Who've spent 300$+ in hats and shit.
>>284253213
i hope it wasn't highlander anon
What's wrong with games like ARMA or Red Orchestra that promote realism? I like Quake 3 and all but every game doesn't have to be it.
>>284253331
maybe if you actually played team arena intead of ctf
>>284245565
As always, consoles are at fault.
>>284253697
Nothing is wrong with them, but few decent "unrealistic" shooters exist on the market.
Saying that not all games have to be "realistic" is silly because they all are.
>>284253697
There's absolutely no denying Arma and RO would be much better if they were as fast as Quake. Who wants to stand in one spot staring at retarded sights that take up the whole screen watching for a moving pixel a mile away when they could be soaring through the air shooting rockets at people. Realism is the opposite of fun
Because these games are only actually fun for the 10% of players who are able to become good at them.
>>284253697
Games at the opposite end of the spectrum ie military sims are too technical for casuals too.
So you have fast quake-like games which casuals hate and games like ARMA which casuals hate.
>>284247643
This is something I like about Reflex: it took CPMA gameplay, put it in a new engine and is trying to refine it, adding new movement techniques (double jump, triple jump, stake gun which you can use to shoot stakes and use them as platforms for strafing around the maps.)
One fair point against it is that because of that, it's not really new for people who have been playing arena FPS for a long time.
>>284254091
>why is this game based in WW2 trying to be realistic?
Go play Tribes.
>>284245565
Because post 90s kids can't into twitch.
Too much pot and teen drinking.
We use alcohol to induce Alzheimer's Disease in mice in my lab. Something to think about before you decide to get shitfaced next time.
>>284253697
>What's wrong with games like ARMA
>What's wrong with games like ARMA
>What's wrong with games like ARMA
>>284254178
What's the problem with that? Obviously those 90% should git gud or stop playing video games
>>284254178
>tfw always high score in every fps server i join
I can't tell anymore if this is because i'm naturally gifted or i just have a lot of experience with fps games.
>>284247518
There's nothing fucking fast about Titanfall when compared to Quake or actual areana shooters.
Double Jump =! Fast
>>284245565
it seems like it would be really easy to hack.
Hackers ruin games faster than pirates.
Just ask DayZ
>>284253865
Yeah, let's blame consoles for everything we don't like in a game
>>284253213
You too huh?
I have both etf2l and ugc medals but all my memories of the thousands of hours I invested into tf2 seem to be bad ones. It's such a shitty community. Just like /v/.
Coz most people don't like that
>>284254539
>hackers ruin games
Hackers make games interesting. git gud
>>284253553
one HL 2 6v6
sue me
Gameplay is a buzzword pcfats throw around
>>284254539
What, that it would be easier to hack in a faster-paced game? Not with a lack of hit-scan weapons.
>>284245565
casual halo/cod players
fps died with old cs
>>284254651
>mfw hackers literally don't have god mode and its possible to headshot them.
I used to pick off speed hackers in CS. Guess quake/unreal skills came in handy
>pssh nothng personal hacker.
>>284254298
Stay casual
>>284254651
Hackers are an inexcusable blight on gaming,
Hacking is literally sell your soul to be an unfair AI.
Why even play games? Stick to Letsplay, its the same experience.
>>284245565
Faster != Better
End of story.
>>284249605
>falcon nuttin' but she still suckin'
>>284253318
>>284245839
Sonic wasn't about going fast until Dreamcast when speed was the selling point which is generally understood to be the fall of the series.
>>284253865
>le epic consoles are at fault for everything I don't like may may xD
>>284254651
>>284254651
Hackers are an inexcusable blight on gaming,
Hacking is literally selling your soul to be an unfair AI.
Why even play games? Stick to Letsplay youtube videos, its the same experience.
>>284254924
Filthy casual
>>284252406
no im not saying its faster than cpma but from what i have played the movement for the starting classes are pretty fast.
>>284254268
I guess people just want instant gratification these days then, unwilling to be patient and coordinate in milsims and unwilling to learn the technicalities like item spawns, map control and actual bhopping.
>>284255146
>D-do I fit in y-yet gaiz?
>>284254606
yeah it sucks
my memories were just of pup stomping and having no real fun
Its because some people can't match the skill sets it takes to be good at games like quake, the reflex, the jumping mechanics. They want to be able to play something that is within their skill sets but still lets them use their brains and intelligence.
>>284250613
That comic applies to way too many things
>>284245565
Because no one plays the fast games anymore.
>>284255230
shootan feels kinda slow
having to dump nearly the entire clip is weird after playing csgo for a while
>>284246148
Serious Sam isn't that fast
>>284255431
>that slow as fuck webm
I hate modern video games
>>284255419
>sets but still lets them use their brains and intelligence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
RIP Tribes, the last sonic fps
>>284255550
Then go play Quake you hipster faggot.
Games like RO wouldn't necessarily be better if they were faster because they're more about team positioning and teamplay than player duels and individual skill.
Arma is a milsim, which is an entirely different beast than most FPS.
>>284255584
I'm speaking in terms of multiplayer games. If you look at which games the majority of people play, it's going to be something that's easy to get into, not hard to get into. That's why TF2 is so popular, it's pretty basic for the most part, but it engages people by still being something they have to think about to play.
>>284255659
teamwork is for casuals who don't have the skill to win by themselves
>>284253865
Kill yourself shitard.
>>284254572
>>284255045
Is he not right? Hitting things accurately in a fast game like Quake or Tribes would be extremely difficult on a console controller without copious amounts of autoaim
>>284253865
>>284247571
>>284248001
>>284248174
>>284248223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9vRa5O_rDQ
It's not, you can play cod and battlefield, two casual fps games, constantly in sprint mode. Battlefield even has vehicles that can cross the bigger maps in <30 seconds. You aren't gliding, but it's still fast.
>>284254924
Slower != better either.
So where are all the fast games?
>>284255550
you must have played titanfall wrong if you think it's slow.
>>284255861
>implying casuals can work in a team
I've virtually never seen casuals co-ordinate effectively in an online fps.
>>284255427
it really does
>>284255967
You do know that consoles support keyboard and mouse if the dev wishes so, don't you?
>>284256093
how about you post some fast webms?
>>284256093
stryderbro detected
>>284245565
Because graphic, realism whores.
>>284256093
I'll believe it's fast when you show Titanfail being fast
>>284256221
Epic.
>>284249605
GX has the coolest fucking physics
>>284249605
>shooting real guns is better than shooting a fucking lightning gun
>driving real cars in realistic racers is better than F-Zero
>FUCK FANTASY IN VIDEO GAMES AMIRITE
>>284256093
>Player with a mouse vs. Player with a controller
That person is just dancing all over that other guy.
>>284253542
>>284253213
>>284253553
>>284254606
>tfw I have over 2100 hours
>>284256093
your target isn't even moving.
>>284245565
ADS
All me btw xD
>>284256279
Nigga that shit is slower than Halo. At least Halo requires team coordination and map control.
>>284256346
i'm sorry for your loss
>>284245565
How the fuck do quake players switch weapons so fast? It's almost instantaneous in this webm.
>>284256173
True, but you're limiting the user base
The average video game-playing person doesn't want to go remove his keyboard from his computer every time he wants to play an FPS, and he's even less likely to go buy a new one
>>284256426
Faster games build reflexes thus forcing you to actually git gud or be left in the fucking dust by those that did.
>>284256426
The webm isn't actually quake 3, it's a mod of q3 called challenge pro mode arena, or cpma. One of the changes it makes is instant weapon switch
>>284256426
They run over the weapon? auto pickup.
What you used to "press E to pick up"
>>284256346
I hope you had fun.
Otherwise why stick around for so long?
>>284256508
I'm talking about the delay the game forces when switching weapons, not his actual skill.
>>284256573
>having fun
>in a vidya
Anon please, that's not what vidyas are for
>>284256573
Custom servers
Mostly Saxton hale
>>284256612
>>284256426
>these posts.
>play toxikk
>2 maps
>Small map is retarded
>Big map has the worst flag mechanics of any game with CTF
Reflex is good, but damn developers can't get this type of gameplay down.
>>284256473
It's the player's fault then, not the game's or dev's.
>>284256548
Thank you for the actual response
>>284256612
It's CPMA, weapon switching is instant in that.
>>284256548
This. I would like it too if it didn't have that shit aircontrol.
>>284256553
>using auto pickup
casual. I bet you use the scroll wheel to switch weapons too.
Lots of things
- Accessibility
- Linearity
- Framerate
- REALISM
i'd blame consoles and appealing to the lowest common denominator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbh8ggQti8
>>284256698
Right but you had fun right?
>>284256638
I'd hope you at least enjoy playing a game a little when investing so much time into it.
>>284245565
Consoles with silky smooth 10 FPS, regenerative health, too hard for casuals, gamepads, etc.
>player has a beast computer to play an arena shooter that guarantees high framerates no matter what settings, even on max
>still play with graphics on low because muh frames
Arena fags are the most tryhards on the mustard race ecosystem.
>>284256745
But thats been a feature in quake and unreal games anyway.
The amounf of faggotry and saltiness in this thread is off the charts.
>>284245565
Because otherwise games like The Order 1886 could be finished in 20 minutes.
>>284257040
>still play with graphics on low because muh frames
Actually I think the reasoning is typically something like better visibility. That shit happens in lots of games, even Call of Duty.
>>284257157
The amount of nigger meme pushers is off the chart.
>>284257040
its more for visibility than performance
>>284257004
Yes I had fun.This doesn't feel like /v/.
>>284257147
instant weapon switch isn't a part of quake 3 if that is what you are saying
Part of it is because most people play games on HDTVs that delay the image for post-processing. Games developers are literally bound to making slower gameplay so that players (especially those with extra-shitty HDTVs or who don't know about their TV's "game" mode) can keep up.
Not that it has anything to do with modern game design, but analog signals are especially bad, which means anyone who wants to properly enjoy NES games and stuff that require fast reflexes ought to play on a CRT.
>>284245565
because casuals go slow
>>284257040
It is on the highest settings. They made the models all white for viewability.
>he doesn't play with /r_texturemode GL_NEAREST and /r_subdivisions 999
Trying to make it more accessible. It's the reason you guys (and fighting fans) are playing dead genres.
I'm not shitting on your guys like "dead genre lel". It just takes too much time and practice to get good. Most people don't want to put the effort in.
>>284257497
Modern Monitors can match the speed of a CRT. Actually, I think some are faster.
>>284256302
I just want Time Splitters 4
>>284257597
i hate this arguement whenever it comes up
you dont need to know how to bunnyhop or surf whatever else to play quake or ut or tribes nigga just play the game and have fun
>>284257371
That is what matters.
2100 hours seems extreme but if you had a good time during it then that is fine.
Some people stick with games that they don't enjoy for long periods of time and that I will never understand.I did it myself with a total time of 380 days on FFXI, didn't have fun past day 28
>>284245565
because of MUH realism
realism is all that's necessary in a game you see
if a game doesn't have realism the game practically doesn't exist
realism is the end-all of vidya gams
>All those autistic try hards blaming consoles
Whats the reasoning behind this? Consoles were always around and that didnt stop PC from having great shooters. Mediocre, bland shit like FEAR, Crysis and Doom 3 is what killed the cerative fast paced, competitive, gameplay focused shoters and turned them into lineal, cinematic bullshit aimed for graphic sperglords, don´t blame the consoles because of your shit taste, Arena shooters were long abandoned long before Console shooters became popular.
>>284257230
god damn that feel
thats what happens to me when i am feeling particularly shitty and think playing a fucking game from my childhood wont make me feel upset.
>>284257597
>dead genres
You are an idiot. On top of that companies are returning to the quake genre. There is a new Unreal tournament coming etc.
>>284257230
>be in prison since I was 11
>get out
>go to my home
>no one is there, house looks like it was abandoned for years
>look for my games
>found my sega games and consoles
>1 year later
>finally get a house
>time to relieve my childhood memories.
>play sonic the hedgehog.
>Die in-game
>bad memories start to dwell in
>remembers the last time I played Sonic before I went to prison
>can't enjoy anything
>all of my friends are either dead or with their spouse
>no job, no contact with my parents
I'll continue.
>>284258294
>Mediocre, bland shit like FEAR
Bait
>>284258512
>in prison since I was 11
what
>>284257658
When I finally replace my CRT, I'm thinking it'll be a monitor instead of an HDTV. But the Wii U's support for the Wii's composite connector has forestalled the inevitable for now.
The action in Smash 4 is pretty tiny on a 20" screen at 480i, though. First HD game I've played to ever make a compelling case for an HD display.
>>284258512
Might I ask how old you are now and what you went to prison for?And damn, that sucks, I'm sorry to hear that.
>>284257428
Pretty sure it is.
>>284258512
So is this show good?
>>284258839
it isn't
>>284258512
>after a week-long episode of depression
>have enough courage to see if my grandma is still alive
>go down 4 blocks and see my grandma's house still there looking nice
>knock on door, grandma (78 now) sees me and breaks down in tears
>talk to grandma about moving in and helping me get myself motivated
>2 years later
>playing basketball with my friends
>throws to the hoop and misses
>hits a group of people and starts gang-raping me.
>Grandma tells me that I'm moving to Bel-Air with my auntie and uncle.
>>284245565
because it's non-inclusive for people with slow reactions and who don't want to invest time into bettering themselves.
>>284245565
Speaking of fast shooters, is TOXIKK worth picking up for $20 or should I wait until it has more maps?
>>284245565
You know arena shooters still exist. It's called a "Genre". Look it up in the dictionary.
>>284249895
SLAIN
>>284258771
I went to prison for 25 years because I pretended there was a murder going on at my neighbor's hourse and a swat team came in and shot a guy living there.
I'm 38 now and I'll always remember the day I first played Sonic again.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
>>284258294
>baiting his hard
>>284258609
>all maps are nothing but copy pasted RL office buildings
>bland, generic enemies and weapons
Fuck realism faggot cancer and tacticool, "spooky" shit with slomo mechanic.
>>284251356
thank you kind sir
>>284247518
>titanfall
straddling the line is not a good way to get a gauge on the hardcore fanbase. it's a good way to lose both demographics
>Strafe wants to be a throwback to 90's shooters
>looks 10x worse than quake
>uninspired weapons
>randomly generated
>no multiplayer
>not mod capable
>>284245565
honestly i'm glad these point & click adventures have died out, it paved the way for more strategic gameplay
>>284259625
>implying the two are mutually exclusive
>implying moderns shooters aren't more point and click
>>284259226
>implying the PC games i named arent casual shit that could be played as good in a freakin xbox 360 gamepad.
>>284258863
Pretty sure you are a filthy casual that has no idea what they are talking about.
>>284258127
But games aren't fun unless you win. It can be an enjoyable process to 'git gud' but why would someone spend their time learning an old game where the only other players are guys who have been playing that same game for years using tricks you don't even know about? The player base isn't big enough for bad players to get better together, and getting completely stomped on leaves too little room for error for someone who doesn't know what they're doing to get much better.
>>284258512
Why were you in prison, anon?
>>284251929
Because it's a pre-alpha.
It hasn't? How many arena shooters can you think of? I think of Quake and UT. There are more than that coming out shortly. Play them you FAGGOT.
>>284259924
we're talking about vanilla quake 3 not cpma. weapon switching in vq3 is not instant, but it is in cpma
>>284259781
> throwing the bait again, but this time is even shittier.
kek try harder
>>284259625
Modern MP Shooters
>Pick the best loadout and perk
>Run around the map or camp a single spot until you see another player
>Shoot
>Die or kill
>Repeat
Quake Era MP Shooter
>Spawn with a shit tier weapon
>Move as fast as the game will allow to your preferred pickups
>Aim your rockets carefully
>Oh shit quad damage is up
>Fight over it and hopefully pick it up
>Kill or die
>Repeat
Quake era has more steps.This is just deathmatch. CTF hasn't changed much and quake doesn't have anything like territory control modes.
>>284249605
W
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>>284259945
>But games aren't fun unless you win.
>>284256150
>DON'T OPEN IT
>>284261296
They aren't. Especially not competitive games where you are constantly getting your nuts stomped.
And you don't have to completely win, but if you can't make any progress at all then after a while the frustration overcomes the fun of challenge.
>>284250613
>RIP Tribes
;_;
Because not every FPS ever has to be based around retardedly quick movement speed and a personal pocket armory that lets you carry every tool for every possible job.
>>284263225
>Because I enjoy playing a slow casualized game cause my brain can't handle fast gameplay action and I wanna die multiple times due to shit accuracy
FTFY
>>284263408
See, this is why I hate you faggots. Not once did I say I dislike the 90s style arena FPS game. Matter of fact, that's where I started with gaming you retarded faggot.
Just because any FPS after quake isn't quake doesn't mean it's shit.
>>284245565
Because more effort went into delivering highly detailed environments and developers want you to see that, and people want to see that.
Really, those games were that fast because they were designed specifically to be e-peen enhancers. All they wanted the player to focus on was the enemy. But most people don't play games just to thrust their ego at random strangers online, so that got old quick and the majority of devs didn't continue it. Instead they focused on crafting cooler game worlds for the player to virtually exist in and explore.
