>20 minutes into the game
>already wearing women's clothing over a few pieces of heavy armor
GOTY
Its like you don't even want twenty enchantments or something.
>>284022392
why do you faggots never post what game you're talking about?
>>284024059
you better lube your asshole, son
>>284024059
>doesn't recognize elder scrolls
>>284022392
armor is for losers
>>284024059
>attempting to troll
>in the year 2015
>>284022392
Am I the only one who thought the thumbnail had gigantic female thighs in the background
>boot up morrowind
>-everything- is brown
>go to belmora
>more brown
>join the fighters guild
>start some mining quest
>get to the mine
>it's so brown i can barely see what the fuck is going on
>uninstall
and that's my morrowind story
![robertoCarlos[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Kt8P5Pn.jpg "robertoCarlos[1].jpg")
>>284022392
Meh, I tried Morrowind and found it ahit and miss.
![Morrowind+2011-02-22+19-16-34-31[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rSB6R7M.jpg "Morrowind+2011-02-22+19-16-34-31[1].jpg")
>>284025008
But but but but its an amazing splendid whimsical magical fantasy world!
>>284025581
tatooine?
Fuck oblivion for ruining Morrowinds awesome clothing/armor system.
I dont know why bethshit insists on simplifying each game more and more. The people who bought previous games want more complex and in depth mechanics.
We went from Helmets, left pauldron, right pauldon, left gauntlet, right gauntlet, cuirass, greaves, boots, shirt, pants, belt, robe/skirt.
To
Helmet, armor, greaves and boots
>>284025789
Its hard to make characters not look like they are level 67 in WoW with so much customization.
Bethesda went for less armor pieces so characters would look better.
>>284024262
Hilarious greentext. May I suggest laughingwhores.jpeg next time? :^)
WC3 is still my GOTY of 2002. Morrowind immersed me, but WC3 defined what custom games and campaigns should be in a game.
>>284025913
I dont know what youre smoking, there was more than enough clothing variants to make your character look good.
Exquisite robes pretty much went with everything except glass armor.
>>284025994
If there are 9999 types of cloth the chances that you will happen to run into a set that looks good together is very slim.
You will look like a clown for the first 2-3 hours of the game and the player will drop hiscontrollerand go play something else.
>>284025789
Morrowind's was complexity for complexity sake. Sometimes things are better streamlined.
>>284026240
go to bed, todd.
RPG's arent meant to be streamlined, the entire point of them is having complex worlds and mechanics that let you play as any "role" you can think of, while supporting your style of gameplay.
Just look at alchemy in morrowind compared to skyrim. You had a bunch of random ingredients you need to sample and experiment with, with 4 different sets of tools for refining and experimenting. It made you feel like an actual alchemist.
compare that to skyrim where you just mash whatever ingredients have the same effects over a simple bench.
![pauldron-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AhOPQgR.jpg "pauldron-2[1].jpg")
>>284026240
B-b-but I want my left pauldron to be purple silk and my right pauldron to be a horse skull over black iron!I disagree with you,I think that having armor be separated into at least 5 slots is perfectly acceptable.
>boots
>gloves
>helmet
>chest piece
>pants
Thats the bare minimum. And you can add cloak and pauldrons, for example.
Having asymmetrical stuff like wearing different gloves or boots is a bit over the top. I dont care if it sort of makes sense realistically, its a chore gameplay wise.
>>284025789
>we
It's nice having the option, but it doesn't ruin the whole system. Armor in Oblivion still looked good, for the most part. Are there not mods to fix that anyway? (I haven't looked too much into Morrowind modding scene)
>>284026606
I'd prefer the witcher style of alchemical ingredients, where you harvest them from supernatural beasts as well as herbs, and where you use the ingredients based on their active alchemical quality rather than their name.
You can have 3-4 swamp herbs be able to replace each other in recipes, giving you different power for their particular quality.
Like herb1+herb2 gives you 5 health per second over 15 seconds, while herb1+herb3 gives you 3 health per second over 25 seconds, where herb2 and herb3 have the same alchemical property, but different concentration.
>>284026632
>implying
I think you mean
>LArm
>RArm
>Chest
>Helm
>Pants
Foot armor is so inconsequential that it literally did not exist, for most of history.
>>284026828
That's still alot simpler than morrowind.
You ahd all these quality modifiers from your tools, alchemy level, and ingredients, there was a SHITLOAD more variety in the potions you could create than anything from the witcher
>>284025976
thanks for your opinion faggot. And for future reference, nobody asked, nor do we give a shit.
>>284026828
This is exactly how Skyrim works...
Except Skyrim takes it a step further and gives each ingredient several different possible effects.
>>284026982
>not wearing greaves
>not putting some plates on top of your shoe
Its like you want that spear guy to stab you repeatedly in the foot.
Also, "for most of history" people didnt bring steel to battles. Dont use that phrase when referring to Elder Scrolls, where the tech level has eclipsed "most of history".
>>284026643
>we
As in fans of the elder scrolls series, not "we" as in the collective known as /v/. Of course you would have realized that had you not been a colossal retard.
>>284027006
Complex doesnt automatically mean good, you fucking autist.
Being simpler doesnt make it worse.
>>284027062
>This is exactly how Skyrim works.
Minus the harvesting from "supernatural" creatures. And if you remove the ability to taste ingredients to find what they do, and sprinkle some scrolls and notebooks around alchemy huts and on relevant NPCs so you can buy recipes to compensate for that, you will have a great alchemy system.
>>284027192
>Dont use that phrase when referring to Elder Scrolls
He wasn't, he was referring to RPGs in general.
>>284027193
>we
As a fan of the Elder Scrolls series I disagree with you. Now stop trying to act as if you've been elected to represent our community in some way.
Your opinions are just that, your personal opinions.
>>284027410
The same logic applies to RPGs in general, since most take place after "most of history" has already passed.
>>284027338
>Wanting more in depth gameplay mechanics makes you an autist now.
Do you even like RPG's? If you dont want complex mechanics go play an action game or something.
I don't understand why anyone would want to pick something that requires less thought and player interaction, over something with complexity.
Maybe I'm just getting old.
>>284027192
Greaves don't mean what you think they mean. Here's a hint: Greaves don't protect your foot.
"Foot Armor" / Boots is a complete waste of an armor slot.
>>284027338
>Being simpler doesnt make it worse.
It really does, it takes away from the accomplishment of actually creating your own potions, which (if unassisted by guides) is quite difficult. Like another anon said before, it is like what one would imagine an alchemist would have to go through in order to craft a potion. Something that fits perfectly, what with the game being a ROLE PLAYING GAME.
>>284026632
I make it a point in my games to try and make my character asymmetrical so I love it when it's made easy. limiting your armor so you can't mix and match as much is annoying.
>>284027616
>Do you even like RPG's?
You don't fucking know what RPGs even mean, you colossal faggot. Here's a hint:
RPG doesn't mean "complicated game".
I use to always wear armor but all the cool themed cloth in Skyrim changed my mind. Robes are cool.
>>284027508
Wow, thanks for revealing that you know shit all about RPGs in general. You really should have just quit while you were behind.
>>284027193
Wow, I really tried representing one imageboard of dozens of a very popular site while expressing my own my own opinions about a series.
Go the fuck to bed, anon.
>>284027616
>>284027703
Lets have inventory slots for each finger, so I can wear 10 rings!
No, 20, with my toes!
Actually I should be able to pierce a magic ring on my nose too!!!
There is a fine line between wanting complexity and being an autistic faggot holy shit kill yourself, and you cant even see if from where you are standing, so far lost are you.
>>284027792
Okay, explain how most RPGs take place during the bronze age. I'll wait.
>Actually playing Morrowind
>Unironically
>>284027338
>Minus the harvesting from "supernatural" creatures
Atronachs, Trolls, Mammoths, Ghosts, Falmer, Daedra...
>sprinkle some scrolls and notebooks around alchemy huts and on relevant NPCs
Every alchemy vendor in the game sells recipe scrolls, and there are several books which describe recipes and the properties of different ingredients.
>>284027896
I like how you skipped that the most effective way to become a great alchemist is to eat poison plants and troll toes.
really bad thread
>>284027749
I know exactly what an RPG is, and simpler mechanics stifle the amount of ways someone could play the game.
>>284027804
On the flip side, lets have no armor at all, or stats, or levels. You just pick fighter/archer/wizard and go through the whole game with the same exact mechanics.
>>284027883
>>284027703
The ideal game is simple, yet deep.
The worst game is complex, yet shallow.
In many ways, Morrowind is complex yet shallow.
It's a good game, but it's a good game DESPITE (not because) of many of it's fundamental design decisions.
>>284027979
>40/6/17
no shit
>>284027432
>As a fan of the Elder Scrolls series I disagree with you.
You are disagreeing with an objective fact. Thanks for being retarded though, my sides needed a workout.
>>284027703
>Being simpler doesnt make it worse.
>It really does
Its official, simplicity is the devil. You heard it here first folks, complex things are automatically good and simple things are automatically bad.
>>284027795
Nigga, are you on fucking crack?
Do you even understand what words mean?
>>284028039
>my opinion is objective fag
Go to bed, anon. You got the stupid again.
>>284027036
>we
speak for yourself nigger, I agree with the bloke in that WC3 was more defining a game than Morrowind
they're both good though
>>284028004
>and simpler mechanics stifle the amount of ways someone could play the game
Holy shit, go tell this to /tg/ and have them laugh at you.
There's a reason that rules light systems are considered better for roleplaying.
>>284027960
Yeah, sampling ingredients to learn their properties. I guess you have a problem with that?
>>284028067
>Making sweeping generalizations
Well I guess since you don't have an actual argument that's all you can do.
>>284028140
Yes, I have a problem with that. Its stupid.
You should sample potions made from these ingredients, not eat troll toes you found on the ground to learn how to make a healing potion.
>>284028134
>objective facts are now opinions
read the original post and kill yourself for being retarded.
>>284027869
You realize that no matter what period you look at, the vast majority of everyone will NOT be wearing armor on their feet?
Sabatons are so ridiculously unique that you might as well say "armor is not worn on the foot".
>>284026632
>, its a chore gameplay wise.
Fuck you and your ideas
>>284028039
two people are disagreeing with you. Nobody is agreeing with you. Great objective fact checking.
>>284028137
>>284025976
samefag
>>284028140
>go tell this /tg/
Why? Table top games have absolutely nothing to do with what im talking about, I'm talking about single player RPG's like TES.
In single player RPGs more mechanics and intricacies are better, it's more content and allows more creativity and customization.
>>284028275
You realize that no matter what period you look at, the vast majority of everyone will NOT be a professional mass murderer walking around the world killing monsters and people in stupidly high numbers, right?
Because thats who a video game protagonist is.
>>284028235
How the fuck does that work? Nobody knew what ingredients did until they sampled potions made from those ingredients? What??
Also you were wrong. The best way to become a master alchemist is to randomly mix ingredients and see which combinations yield viable results.
>>284028275
>you might as well say "armor is not worn on the foot"
You might, and you'd be wrong. Go be wrong somewhere else.
>>284028275
How many emperors have there been during the ages? a couple of hundred? Maybe a thousand?
Now compare that to how many people ever lived in this world. Emperors are so ridiculously unique that you might as well say that "one cannot be an emperor".
>>284028404
In Skyrim the most effective way to become a master alchemist is to put everything you pick up from the ground into your mouth and see what happens.
>>284028374
>I play a character who kills lots of people
>That means that there are no standards of realism any more. I should have armor slots for my feet, my ears, my hair, my nose, and my left pinky finger (but only that finger).
This is how retarded you sound.
>>284028502
sweet shoop, bro.
>>284028526
Is there a such a thing as hair/ear/nose aarmor?
No
Is there such a thing as foot armor
Yes
You need to get some fresh air or something, because you come off as retarded.
>>284028510
Except that's wrong. Eating will only tell you the first effect, unless your skill is high enough. Randomly mixing potions lets you discover all the effects no matter what your skill level is.
>>284028479
Most people in the world prior to 1940 lived under an empire. You're a retard.
>>284028526
>I know that I am right and to prove it, I will build a strawman and start attacking it
this is how retarded you are
>>284028526
>armor on your feat isnt realism
It is, you fucking imbecile. Sabatons did exist.
The only reason we have so few is because only the most expensive ones survive, while the shittier plain ones got melted down to make horse shoes and pots once you didnt need them.
In the tech level a typical RPG takes place sabatons would be something every soldier would want to invest in, since otherwise a person with a spear would just stab at your feet all day every day.
>>284028313
There are less slots for armor and clothing and armor in oblivion than there are in morrowind. This is irrefutable and as such is what is known as an objective fact.
>>284028510
>wasting points on those tasting perks instead of experimenting
You only have yourself to blame
>>284028676
>Most people in the world prior to 1940 lived under an empire.
Stating random facts that have nothing to do with the question at hand doesnt make you right, not matter how hard you pretend.
Most people in the world prior to 1940 were not emperors. Your logic is shit.
>>284028642
Yeah, I did both replies and intrinsically added shitty MSPaint levels of white background just to make it look authentic
>>284025581
The characters cover their faces when facing the storms direction.
>>284028661
>hair armor
You typically wore it under your mail so that you didn't rip your fucking hair out.
>ear armor
Ushanka
>nose armor
More of a "whole lower face" but yes, pic related. Why isn't "lower face armor" a specific category of armor, in Morrowind? I thought Morrowind wanted to be a real RPG.
>>284028676
>you need to be an Emperor to run an Empire or even live in one
I don't recall every member of the British Parliament being an emperor.
>>284028767
You changed your point after my reply though, you're just going back to your original post after re-reading it.
>>284028894
Because jap armor is fucking retarded, and proper full faced helmets have all of the pieces riveted together.
That being said, under layers for helmets like coifs would actually be a pretty decent idea.
>>284028917
>sabatons are so unique and rare that you might as well say sabatons didnt exist
>emperors were so unique and rare that you might as well say emperors didnt exist
?
>>284028937
I'm sorry you're retarded.
>>284029032
I am sorry you are wrong.
>>284029032
>loses the argument
>starts calling people names
tip top lel
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0piOD1sdB9k
>>284028860
You're only proving my point. The lady dost protest too much, methinks.
>>284028741
This is the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
>shittier plain ones got melted down to make horse shoes and pots once you didnt need them
People who would melt down their armor DIDN'T WEAR FOOT ARMOR. Even rich people usually didn't wear foot armor. Your feet are literally the last part of your body you are going to buy armor for.
Head, then Torso, then arms, then legs, then hands, then - only after everything else - feet. If every other part of your body isn't covered in metal (which, hint: it almost certainly won't be) then neither will your feet.
>>284029091
>>284029141
Oblivion and skyrim have less armor slots than Morrowind.
this isnt a subjetive argument, it has nothing to do with emotion, it's a completely objective fact.
I dont know how you can continue arguing against something like that.
Its literally taken me over a thousand hours in skyrim to realise heavy armor wearers got the shaft.
They have practically no unique (themed) armors.
Meanwhile the cloth is excellent.
You are spoiled for choice.
>>284029091
>>284029141
>We went from Helmets, left pauldron, right pauldon, left gauntlet, right gauntlet, cuirass, greaves, boots, shirt, pants, belt, robe/skirt.
>To
>Helmet, armor, greaves and boots.
Then somebody replied
>we
trying to imply I was speaking for /v/ when I clearly wasn't.
Then somebody replied saying that they disagreed with my original statement. Obviously they are wrong because my original statement is an objective fact.
I really shouldn't have to make a fucking play by play just so you can keep up with your own fucking arguments. For fucks sake you are the most retarded poster(s) on /v/. No mean feat I must say, there are some real contenders to the throne out there.
>>284029476
What about calvalry.
Are you saying people wouldnt try covering the most exposed part of their bodies? Because I'm pretty sure any man at arms worth his salt would have a pair of sabatons for horse combat.
>>284029584
This
The game has like steel and ebony as good heavy choices.
>>284029258
Thanks for the laughs, anon. And also to the other anon(s?) for being accused as being me.
>>284029494
The argument evolved and it's hilarious that you've failed to see it.
>>284029141
>>284029258
I'm sorry you're BOTH retarded.
>>284029627
Gee I dunno, anon, let's look at some history.
>>284029603
>As in fans of the elder scrolls series, not "we" as in the collective known as /v/. Of course you would have realized that had you not been a colossal retard.
You're the retard for forgetting you said this, claiming to speak for "fans of the elder scrolls series"
how the fuck don't you realize this. The first reply was stupid, but you replied with even more stupidity. Jesus christ.
>>284029658
The argument hasnt evolved though, you took "we" completely out of context just so you scream and yell about how I dont represent the community, when it's clear that's what I never intended in the first place.
The fact that you would rather shitpost about syntax instead of actually addressing the points just makes you look like an even bigger retard
>>284029658
>The argument evolved and it's hilarious that you've failed to see it.
If you started arguing about something else then that's your problem, my argument has remained unchanged since the first shitpost that was flung my way.
See >>284029603
>>284029476
Let is sabaton for poor people, right is sabaton for rich people.
The right one goes to museums and the left one gets melted or scrap, because why the fuck would you keep it?
And since its so fucking cheap, so fucking simple, so fucking easy to make there is no reason you wouldnt. It would be worth a couple of meals at most and could save your fucking life.
Read a book, nigger. There are places in the world where the corpses werent looted and were just thrown in a ditch, and in these places we have sabatons from pretty much every corpse. They all worse them, because its a stupidly small investment that may pay off big time.
>>284029785
>lets look at some history
>posts art
People who think art is a good historical source at the worst thing to plague pseudo-intellectual history discussions on the internet.
Next thing you will be posting greek amphoras claiming ancient greeks were niggers.
