Does anyone else here love Naval warfare games? Battlestations, World of Warships, warthunder, silent hunter, etc?
What are your favorite ship classes and what have you been playing lately?
I'm hoping for more news on WoW. Looks absolutely amazing even though CVs seem completely broken which, I guess though, is historically accurate.
Love me some BBs.
>>283925249
Such a beautiful waste.
Needs more Enterprise.
>>283926862
Big E strong.
>>283924975
Any of those are singleplayer? I wanna play with battleships but I don't play online.
>>283924975
they releasing that 18th century naval game soon, but I won't buy it until it comes out on steam as the devs live in Ukraine.
>>283927857
Battlestations midway and pacific both are SP. You can definitely wreck shit with BB there.
>>283924975
the silent hunter series is pretty fun for naval action, but it's hard as fuck to find actual naval battles going on, the closest I came to one was an air attack on a friendly navy
>>283928046
Looks like I just missed a sale on it. Damn. I'll check it out next time it goes on sale.
Forgot BF1942
>>283924975
Command Modern Air Naval Operations
Play it.
Learn the evolution of modern naval combat since 1945 and cry about how hard it is to track nukes in pakistan.
KONGOU DESU
I miss this game, I truly do. I got as far as CA, before the p2w got too bad for me.
>>283924975
I can't wait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-I-OGSv7qk
>>283929186
I was actually wondering how modern naval combat games work nowadays. Seem it's just firing ultra long range cruise missiles at each other and trying to shoot them down. That and Supercarriers.
>>283929243
Kongou pls
I'm still playing Silent Hunter III, can't beat the atmosphere.
Just spotting one of the huge battleships is really cool, and then shadowing them / setting up an ambush.
>>283929362
That fucking looked amazing.
>>283929397
Super-Carriers are really just US tactics, everywhere else has regular sized carriers.
Its pretty heavily air and missile based.
You'd be correct in the most important part is trying to shoot down everything.
But traditional guns still have their place.
Subs can play a big role depending on the situation too.
>>283929362
fucking lol
Oh yeah and pic related for accurate simulation of boats at war.
>>283930192
UK will be coming out with 2 soon. And Russia has one too.
>>283930452
>1/10,000ths the size of an actual ship
>can move 100 times faster too
>with a single person instead of a complement of thousands
>and still retain all the firepower of the original ship
Makes perfectly logical sense to me.
Dangerous Waters is pretty fucking great, basically a modern-day Silent Hunter where you can also play as a submarine-hunter frigate or aircraft.
It's developed by a company that sells sonars for the US navy so you get some really fun sonar-using gameplay.
>the age of battleships is over forever
>>283930883
>>1/10,000ths the size of an actual ship
Only in lame interpretations
>EIGHTY DOLLARS
>no torrent that I can find
>no torrent of most of its predecessors (Harpoon) either
But seriously, has anyone played this? It looks amazing, but that price.
>>283931089
Carriers are just too OP.
>>283929243
>>283929631
>Kongou
Burgeristan.
>>283931240
>>283930883
>>283930452
But why are they little girls though?
>>283931372
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UUUU
>tfw SubWars didn't last that long
It was pretty fun for a F2P game
tfw the old navyfield is pretty much dead and the new one sucks dick
>>283931089
;_;7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkx68UdcPA0
>>283931372
https://gazellegames.net/torrents.php?id=13081&torrentid=27084
https://www.blackcats-games.net/details.php?id=78642&hit=1
>>283931489
That's britbong to you.
>>283931714
>>283931916
Thanks! Sorry for my stupidity.
>>283924975
Will german ships be available in WoW? I want to commandeer a pocket battleship like Graf Spee
>tfw could never get into Silent Hunter
man I tried like 3 times
>>283930452
USN when?
>>283931985
I want her to step on my dick
Here comes the weeaboo trash.
>>283931240
>you will never clean Shimakaze's after mooring deck with your toungue
>Shimakaze will never discharge oily water all over your face from her magic pipe
Why do I even live?
>>283931089
Thank god.
>>283932016
If they did put one, it'd probably be the Bismarck.
>Try Silent Hunter 5
>crashes
>Try Silent Hunter 4
>Crashes when trying to measure height of ship
I played WoT for a bit, but couldn't get into it.
Now Naval Battles are where it's at.
Thank God for this thread. I really love ships, but I know zero things about videogames about ships. What are great games of naval warfare? I don't want bare strategy (eg: top down rts) as much as I want a ship operator simulator.
What are some games where you can use MODERN naval equipment? WW2 is the most boring and overdone era I can think of.
>Guns are slow, clunky, made of leftover mattresses
>Planes don't even have missiles
>No future/experimental tech
>>283931985
Do brits need to add a "U" to pronounce "O" correctly? You've changed britania, you used to be cool.
>>283933024
Battlestations Midway/Pacific has lots of ship operating/commanding but does also include lots of strategy and even plane flying.
I'd say World of Warships. Just watch some videos, particularly this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MiLYz95MBI
>>283932226
Do not offend glorious nippon american piggu.
>>283933136
>shooting targets 100s of miles away with cruise missiles
>not boring
>>283933592
>phalanx out of nowhere
Lost it.
>>283933531
>tfw Montana classes never came into existence
>>283934049
Probably for the best.
>>283933497
Thanks for the suggestions. I welcome strategy, though. What I wanted to say is that I didn't want and RTS game without in-deth control of the unit. Easier way to say it is " What's the DCS of ships", I guess. Is there anything like that? Silent hunter looks great, too. Is there a definite best game in that series?
>>283934070
>>283933941
>>283933823
>>283933531
>>283933290
These are neat as hell.
GOATEST OF ALL GOATS
>>283931372
Yes.
Its fucking amazing.
Worth 80.
Give them your money
Seriously, they release community scenarios to keep it fresh too
>>283934298
Haven't played DCS but yeah battlestations probably fits the bill.
BATTLESHIPS A SHIT
ALL HAIL THE SUBMARINE MASTER RACE
I've been watching a lot of Let's Play videos for Naval Action, and I'm really interested in getting my hands on it.
Hoping War Thunder's naval game is like that, just with WWII ships.
WoWS looks like shit and I probably won't even download.
>>283924975
Learning how to do everything on manually in silent hunter was one of the best gaming experiences I have had. Figuring out just how to target and set your torpedo's and watch them run and sink enemy cargo ships was so satisfying when I got it right for the first time.
>>283932092
Why not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pddW-HeHAwo
I have a question: Do ships have "models", or are they all built custom? And I'm not only talking about war ships, but general ships like huge cargo ones. Even in wikipedia you only see their names, but no manufacturer/model. Of course this doesn't apply to small recreational boats.
>>283935426
Ship have classes.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, if you're like >>283931372 and cant afford CMANO, Global Conflict Blue will do you well.
>>283935426
I believe there are no models, but manufactures all follow guidelines for ships of similar class
>>283935426
They have classes. Ships of the same class are not necessarily identical though.
>>283935278
>stumble upon a convoy in really shitty weather
>spot a battleship among the escorts
>struggle to get good readings due to the waves, but have to act fast before the destroyers spot me
>just say fuck it, put in a torpedo solution based on guesswork
>fire torpedoes and crash-dive as the destroyers begin to close in on me
>dive deeper and deeper to evade the depth charges, ignoring the creaking hull and water leaks
>suddenly get a message that the battleship was sunk
it's the most rewarding thing ever
>>283931372
Holy shit this game is real as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aHvrXV-rUo
>that USS Ohio range
>>283934298
>What's the DCS of ships
Doesn't exist. Though there are old silent hunter type games on DOS. Great Naval Battles of North Atlantic, IIRC.
>Silent hunter looks great, too. Is there a definite best game in that series?
3 or 4 depending on whether you want german or US subs.
>>283936004
A friend and I are downloading Global Conflict Blue right now. This has multiplayer, too, which Command is missing.
>>283935097
Are they still using Bigworld engine for WoW? the only way i could run WoT was by turning everything off and reduce the draw distance to a minimum.While in War Thunder anything but cinematic look gorgeous and runs smoothly.
>>283936329
>3 or 4 depending on whether you want german or US subs.
One of the reasons I think 3 is the best SH game is the progression. While you get better upgrades / ships as time goes on, your enemies do too, and they will pull ahead of you. You're almost guaranteed to die at some point as everything becomes more desperate and almost everything becomes a suicide mission.
It's pretty cool and accurate in that way.
>>283934049
A bit on the small side, don't ya think?
>>283936838
It's a big table, you idiot
Maybe an odd question for a naval game but are there any that are like first person? I kind of want to appreciate these massive vessels up close and just see how huge they are. Maybe be like one of the crew.
>>283936592
Command trades multi for highly accurate everything
>>283936838
makes her harder to detect as it sneaks up to and unloads all 12 of her 16 inch guns on unsuspecting vessels
>>283937461
16 inches long maybe
http://youtu.be/Pzq-94a8Fjs
>>283937098
BF2:SF had the Iron Gator level where you fought on and in an Essex class Carrier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpddchiJfm8
Also maybe a stretch but Rivet City in FO3 was basically the inside of a Essex Class as well.
>tfw there will never be a realistic naval warfare RTS
battlestations midway got close
at least I have WiTP
>You will never get to call out "scratch one flattop."
>>283938112
Are there any that cover Napoleonic naval battles?
Seems like it would be a lot more practical as an RTS.
>Have a raging boner for naval combat sims
>Very few entries into the genre
>Missed the World of Warships weekend beta, despite being signed up for fucking years now.
>Fuck you wargaming.net
>Have a rage boner for most things Sci-Fi
>Dreadnaught turns out to be ass
>Come across Fractured Space
>Shit looks pants on head awesome
>Early Access
GOD. FUCKING. DAMNIT.
>>283938112
>cruisers and destroyers against cargo ships
What hilarity is this?
>>283924975
>Naval warfare
Only age of sail. WWII combat is just some ships from kms away firing at small points in the horizon. Modern is even worse with missiles and railguns. Boring.
I want to see the white of my enemies eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvzeHVC3eNE
>>283939213
>283939213
Jingles did a video on a Master & Commander-like naval sim.
It was apparently so good Paypal freaked out and thought they were undergoing some sort of hacker bullshit and froze their assets (Money started flooding in after the video & word of mouth)
>>283939373
This one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYkkcnIiuOQ
I'm excited but I'm kinda let down for the lack of visible damage on ships.
>>283939213
>You will never cross the enemy's T.
IN THE NAVY
>>283938943
Aurora.
Distant Worlds
X-Series
Get that Space Boner hard son.
>>283939521
Only watched 4 minutes and this is what I've been craving. If only Black Flag had fucking wind direction and all this extra complexity, god damn.
>>283939102
reminder to never invade java without both air and sea superiorityand why do the fucks keep trying to resupply rebaul I swear they lose like 2000 men a month along with numerous transport ships, it's not worth it dudes
>>283939720
COME ON SAIL THE SEVEN SEAS
>>283939774
Played all of them, and they have been found wanting
X-Series came really fucking close, with it's MARS Fire Control System and getting involved in capital ship battles.
It's also why I'm thinking about giving in to Fractured Space. Fuuuuck.
>>283939213
I know that Imperial Glory is for 17th Century Naval Warfare.
Rushing for the project that gets you boats at every dock after owning Scandinavia makes naval battles fun
Only issue is the ground combat and other things
>>283939926
IN THE NAVY
>>283939807
Wind direction I can understand because that would make the game too slow and boring, that game, Naval action, doesn't have realistic wind too, but that complexity...
My problem with black flag was how fast I could load my guns while the enemy was slow as fuck.
Damn, I want that anxiety of waiting for my guns to load before taking a broadside.
>>283940132
YOU CAN PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE
What naval games fit into the arcade category and which are more realistic and which are more sims? Which of them have you playing as the ship or a commander of a fleet or as one of the crew?
>>283939840
Shit AI probably
>>283940018
I remember seeing some kickstarter that had a space sim where you get to do that whole stand on the bridge and watch shit go down things.
>>283940280
Battlestations is arcadey as fuck. Things like GCB and CMANO are sims.
I dont actually think theres a game that lets you play as a singular crew member onboard a ship.
>>283940018EVE Online is actually really amazing if you don't mind playing online with a bunch of people.
>>283932651
what was that explosion from the aft? Ammunition?
>>283940448
Been there, done that.
Still have my 2003 era CD-Key and game box.
>>283940018
I will never forgive Egosoft for X Rebirth. What a shitty game.
>>283939521
That guy is a hell of a lets player. I'm just checking his other videos. So serious, no bullshit.
>>283940545
Boilers I think.
>>283940545
Cold sea water hitting hot as fuck boilers.
>>283940545
boilers
working on one of those had to be hell
>>283940764
My father worked 'em. Not for very long, the ship he was on was in awful shape and had tons of mechanical issues.
At some point it exploded and he had help evac the ship. Apparently hes got minor PTSD. And hes deaf as fuck
I need concensus fellas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zQF9q0I-exU
Does it look worthwhile, it can be had for a lowly 10$ I was gonna throw 20$ at it, tax season and all that.
>Love navy and everything related
>I don't want to join the navy because I don't want to live at sea with the only pussy being whores in ports
>Still dream about being a captain
Goddammit. If only I was into men.
;_; there will never a be a good Silent Hunter again
>>283941023
Snipes a shit.
Deck apes a best.
>>283940545
>>283940649
>>283940752
>>283940764
I thought they documented that as a magazine explosion.
>>283941156
I'm curious about this, too. If it's good, I'll probably buy the four-pack, since I have friends who are really into strategy games as well.
>>283940649
>>283940752
>>283940764
Apparently it's the magazine going up, triggered by improperly stored AA ammunition.
>>283941478
>>283941419
thanks m8s, assume it was from batttle damage as well?
>>283940437
>>283940018
>>283938943
One that had potential was Infinite Space but the execution and rock paper scissors range out-range you combat was just lacking. I hope someone tries again with that formula. The idea of exploring into the unknowns of space visititing different planets and combatting different threats with your custom space battleship fleet filled with crew that you met or picked up from the various places you visited that can each contribute to the overall mission/craft. That's like my dream vidya.
>>283941725
It was torpedoed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI
>>283941156
I want to like it, I really want but ships move too fast. And no Newton's law.
Why I have to be such a huge autist?
>>283941419
>>283941478
>>283941725
Magazine explosions are just total devastation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MkBGqKpOGc&t=5m
>>283941478
>>283941419
That would certainly snap a ships back.
>>283941767
Infinite space made my dick hard, they need to move to a fucking console release. No bullshit, make it something like Galactic Heroes in plot.
And some sort of Infinite Space meets BattleStations.
>>283941773
>>283941463
My biggest problem Jingles has indicated in that video is that they haven't implemented some form of Matchmaking, you can join a match 5 minutes from a lose or win.
Or there can be a 5v3 going on.
If I had a dedicated group of buddies to play with, I'd jump all over it. And just play -only- when they're online.
>>283941980
Boy are they.
>>283942167
>>283941980
In fact in the Battlestations games, if you get a clean hit on a magazine, it's an instant kill.
>>283925447
I wish i could get pacific to work, all it does is open the mainmenu for five seconds and then crash to desktop
>>283942039
>you can join a match 5 minutes from a lose or win.
It's ok by me. I don't think these kind of games will attract people that care for w/l ratio or competitive.
>>283941980
The Royal Navy really had a thing for making big ships with crap armour during that era.
>>283942792
The crap armor made it lighter and faster, that's what battlecruisers were by definition. Same with the IJN Kongo class.
>mfw KSP gets a multiplayer mode with space combat
>>283942939
Multi was canceled for female kerbals
>>283941345
You could always try joining and eventually be turned into being into men.
Although for me, I'd just like to visit some naval ports or museums and see these massive war machines up close and personal.
>>283942792
>Battle of Jutland
>Queen Mary, Invincible, Indefatigable blow in half when their magazines are hit and explode.
>Admiral Beatty says "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today.
>Years later HMS Hood explode in half when hit in the magazine by the Bismark.
>>283943095
Squad is still going to give us Multi.
Female Kerbals were planned for a long time, weren't they? They just couldn't decide when to add. That announcement wasn't out of nowhere.
>>283942939
Sounds great fun, would love to see fleets of rockets burning pro/retro in unison to reach places, and cooperative building of stations.
>>283943095
Oh, never mind. Thanks Squad.
>>283941345
You could alwaystry to bring your chinese drawingsoruse boipussy
>>283943319
>Squad is still going to give us Multi.
Maybe if they just steal the mod and make it stock
Otherwise there is a very good reason they haven't say anything about multi in a year
>Female Kerbals were planned for a long time, weren't they?
Literally when the new SJW producer got in power, he is very agresive defending them
>>283943315
>britbong BBs
>meanwhile yamato took 400 planes and 8 hours to sink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1TWBW8HEM
Also it may be all the vidya I played but I never knew strafing a ship could actually be this effective.
>>283924975
I loved Fighting Steel, played the shit out of the demo, I think there was one scenario with Bismark and another with japanese navy. Having the camera attach itself to fired shells was sweet.
>>283943472
Multi wasn't canceled. It's coming after 1.0. KSP early acess goals didn't include Multi, they added the possibility later when someone made a mod.
Squad weren't even game devs and they are fucking Mexicans, look at what they have done by now. Just give them time.
>>283924975
The only warship popular game is Kancoler shit.
>>283943315
The Germans really did quite well to squander nearly every naval advantage they had in the first world war.
>>283944190
>>283944080
Your anime is shit.
>>283944254
they were too busy sinking innocent passenger ships
Reminder that grorious nippon admirar Yamamoto invented modern naval combat.
>>283943627
fiddy cals are a nasty round, it would do even worse things to lightly armored destroyers
tsushima really ruined the japs in making them overconfident
>>283944254
Weren't they still outnumbered 2:1 and boxed in the North Sea?
>>283944454
and the US blew his "modern naval combat" out of the water with mass carriers. And we take that lesson unto this day that mass carrier > all.
>>283944737
>and the US blew his "modern naval combat" out of the water with mass carriers
Mass carriers were his revolutionary idea.
Everyone knows that Planes > Ships.
>>283943627
The japs always impress me. 80 years before WWII they were still fighting with sword and bow.
It's impressive how a tiny island was an equal match for a juggernaut that was america.
>>283944406
But those ships were carrying supplies for the britbongs and cheese eaters. Lusitania included.
>>283944923
Well he fucked up royally at midway when he had the Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, and Hiryu and still lost all of them.
>>283944957
I remember watching some documentry talking about the Yamato, and how the US Navy Intelligence dismissed the idea of the Japanese building a super battleship as nothing more than Nipponese lies.
>>283944661
I dunno about being outnumbered 2:1, but the kraut surface ships were definitely boxed in. Their u-boats had free reign and rekt British, French, and US shipping though.
>warship discussions on /a/, /v/, /k/, 4chan in general
>always WWII
>always US,Japan, Germany, and GB
Does every other country and era not exist to you guys?
>>283944406
That was the most effective thing they did.
Though in the end the Brits worked out how to counter it.
>>283944661
Pretty much. In the end their fleet wasn't big enough and so was useless.
They were afraid to engage for fear of losing their fleet, and so did nothing with it.
>>283945526
Ships of the early 20th century were true works of art with big guns.
>>283945526
>charles de gaulle
>>283936178
>Four patrol boats unload their entire loadout of torpedos and shells into largest freighter
>Freighter doesn't sink and makes it to port anyway
I don't know if guns are actually this shit or freighters can take seemingly ridiculous amounts of punishment before going down. Maybe guns got a simpler treatment than the array of missiles?
>>283945526
WW1 and 2 are the only times boats actually mattered as weapons of war.
France is a bad joke.
>>283945798
They still do, see Falklands war.
The problem is that is rare as fuck for a big country to fight another in our times. So we get this petty wars in the middle of the desert against goat fuckers.
>>283943627
Can you imagine how it must be like to be a crew member on a BB like that? If you're doing your part as part of the main guns, you'd almost have no clue whats going on outside as you're hauling shells or rolling powder packets onto elevators. It would be fucking hectic as fuck as you feel the ship rock and all you do is keep on passing the shells.
>>283945526
Warships are more interesting if they see use.
Which is the better game to get?
Battlestations midway or Pacific?
>>283946194
Better than being infantry.
>>283940018
FS is good, even in its barebones state. Regular significant updates too.
>>283945718
>>283945982
It's completely impossible but I'd love to see some Girls Und Panzers like thing with warships, basically using them to their full capabilities against each other not necessarily in a war or cold blooded battle.
>>283946282
Pacific but some say the torpedo speeds in pacific are too fast and make the game too imbalanced towards torpedos unlike in midway where you had to plan your torpedo spreads more carefully.
>>283946419
Yeah but if your ship sinks you're going to die without even knowing it. Those naval battles were bloody as fuck. Ships going down with just thousands of men at once. Yamato itself took at least 3000 lives with it. For comparison thats about the same amount of casualties the US had at Omaha beach.
>>283931372
>tfw I had the oportunity of buying this game for 20$ from a russian reseller
>tfw I decided to wait and save the money
>tfw Gaben blocked region trading
>tfw I will never buy this game this cheap
>>283946696
thanks.
are they essentially the same game with minor tweaks like that? With a different premise?
I've read online Pacific isn't as good as midway.
>>283945526
there's a reason for that, you know:^)
>>283947052
There are some visual and gameplay differences between the two. For instance,
Midway
>>283947292
FRENCH NAVY STRONG
>>283947314
Pacific.
There's differences in how damage control is handled as well. I'm not sure about multiplayer differences though since I haven't played much multi in either.
>>283946459
Well, someone mades something that looks close with jets and we have strike witches so maybe we'll get Girlz und Gneisenau one day
>>283924975
>>283925249
>world of warships wont have subs
>mfw
Alright, so my Steam is SainnQ I've decided to go ahead and get Fractured Space.
I fucking hate Early Access.
Niggas who update their shit regularly like should be recognized IMO.
Also
>Can't find a fucking torrent for Battlestations Pacific, Kickass is showing zero seeds for everything. I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>283947567
>Another imperial japan delusionist animu.
Goddamn Japan, stop. You got yer shit slapped.
>>283947518
>>283947314
Thanks for the info.
I'll probably pick them both up in a sale
>>283947567
>flying that close to the deck
And then a rogue wave takes out your entire squadron.
>>283933290
>>283933531
>>283933823
>>283933941
>>283934070
Awesome pictures man, do you have one of the Japs though?
The US Navy was God-Tier in 1945. Granted, carriers ruined shell slinging, but even if there were no carriers, nothing could withstand the Iowa Class BB. They used the fucker into the 90s ! Even with retro fits, that's still amazing!
>>283947972
They're already both under 10, There'll probably be sales with both + dlcs at 5. You definitely want the pacific dlc with the Montana class.
>>283947570
>You will never die to an unseen threat
>You will never fire depth charges in vaguely the right direction when you survived the first torpedoes
>You will never feel so useless if you are anything but a dedicated sub hunter shipSubs are amazing though and I'd love to try an arcade naval war game for a bit
>>283948074
>>283948140
USN BBs make my dick so hard. All that firepower.
>>283931089
Wait until we get to space. Then space navy's will have battleships again.
>playing a carrier in WoWS
>like playing SC only you are completely OP and can kill everything effortlessly from way outside of the battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tubyxIN36JI
>>283948413
Carriers will still win.
>>283948536
>game has carriers but no subs
>balanced
>>283948413
We'll just have drone/missile carriers then.
>>283948648
exactly what im saying, they can sit in the back lines just doing this
>>283948648
>>283948741
>>283948536
Just like in real life!
>>283943627
Brit ships were garbage if they werent in the north atlantic
>this is one of the fuckers that helped sink the bismarck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_of_Wales_%2853%29
and the japs easily plunked it with a couple planes
the brits had shit AA because the germans had no carrier presence. where the americans loaded the fuck out of their BBs for AA, especially with the era of the kamikazi. the little AA brit BBs had were too weak to bring down a kamikazi. where the americans loaded up with heavy shells because they had to knock the plane out of the sky
>>283948891
were brit bbs even relevant by the time of kamikazi attacks? didn't the PofW and Repulse get sunk super early?
>>283948639
>>283948701
Carriers don't win anymore. What are you guys smoking? Modern Ships have top line anti missile and aa defences. US is the only country that still keep making carriers.
Carriers were op in the WWII, they aren't anymore.
>>283948701
B-but muh awesome space battles.
>>283943627
Why did they fire shells at the planes?
>>283948823
It still fucking amazes me how they manage to pack all of those onto the boats.
>>283949135
Pretty sure a supercarrier group showing up off your coast is still going to make a lot of countries shit their pants.
>>283948413
Come on science hurry up!
>>283949135
>US is the only country that still keep making carriers.
That's because Supercarriers are too huge of a wartime investment for many countries. But britain is making 2 queen elizabeth class Supercarriers right now that should be launching in a couple of years.
>>283948350
the 9 16/50 setup with their cheating-tier radar system was unmatched at the time
who cares about 18" guns on the yamato when they can't even see the target. the Iowa could sling shells "over the horizon" or in shitty weather and hit other BBs with impunity at the time.
>>283949230
Because they could, and because their supply of missiles was limited, what with being stuck in the past.
>>283929807
>play a heavily modded Silent HunterVfor a while
>it's fun but the AI seems easy
>install a mod that makes escorts use authentic ASW tactics
>mfw destroyers perform a textbook Plaster maneuver on me and blow my kraut ass out of the water
>>283949336
Yeah, 3rd world shitholes without anti ship missiles or modern subs. But you don't even need carriers to fight those.
>>283949336
>>283949534
Supercarriers function are to be mobile bases. They are good for a country like the US that wants to have sea hegemony during peace times.
In an actual war they are just big targets. The effective range of ships today make carriers obsolete. Also we have stealth subs...
>>283949756
>The effective range of ships today make carriers obsolete
The effective range of Planes. I had a brainfart.
>>283949756
I don't know if actual war today is really a valid argument since countries would just be slinging global nukes at each from their subs.
>>283949230
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_purpose_gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otobreda_127/54_Compact
>>283949601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky1c_pF5qoc
>>283949565
Imagine if the nukes were never dropped and the war turned into a full scale invasion of japan. The USN would literally park their 5 shiny new Montana classes on the east coast of japan and shell them into oblivion.
I was going to join the Navy because I loved ships so much, but my parents literally bribed me not to by fully paying for my college. I turned out to be a lazy decadent piece of shit with a booze and opiate hobby and a useless degree. I kinda think I should have had some balls and went into the service, I'd still have a fat inheritance incoming but I'd prolly be a better guy.
>>283949860
It feels like conventional warfare is more likely than nuclear warfare.
I don't think anyone really wants to start a nuclear war when you can have a conventional one.
>>283949135
>>283949534
>>283949756
Supercarriers have nothing to do with naval warfare, except that they happen to be boats.
>>283947567
Did a 25 frogfoot just kill a 22 raptor with guns in there??
>>283950206
Except when you're losing the conventional war
>>283950330
I want to believe that the losing side would secede some land or whatever terms instead of blowing up the world though, I really do.
>>283950160
>but I'd prolly be a better gay.
fixed that for you
>>283949860
Nukes are last resort.
If we had a WWIII(Lets suppose China against US, Europe Against Russia), the belligerents would want to defeat the enemy with less causalities as possible because of the economy(We wouldn't nuke oil, gas fields). The chances of anyone using strategic nukes are really small, we have really good anti nuke system these days, we would see the use of small tactical ones used against tactical targets.
There would be conventional warfare, Nukes are a thing of the cold war.Also we probably have a functioning SDI by now, if /x/ is right about the X-37 purposes of being a supply spaceplane.
>>283950206
Nuclear powers can only fight limited wars against third world countries though.
>>283950450
>blowing up the world
They're just gonna blow some worthless fucks.
You're not gonna use nukes if the enemy has nukes, MAD and all that.
Anyone know of a torrent for Battlestations Pacific?
I can't seem to fuckin' find one.
Or a Mega link even?
Battlestations Pacific was awesome
Switching between ships, planes and subs felt so good
>>283949135
Carriers aren't day one weapons, a carrier would be used after a reasonable amount of a nation's anti ship missile silos/destroyers/whatever are no longer a concern.
>>283950110
The nukes were more humane. The firebombing was roasting way more of the fuckers, and I can't imagine what a total naval bombardment would have been like. We lost so many guys on Iwo Jima and Okinawa that our bombardment pre-invasion for mainland japan would have been apocalyptic.
man, this thread is giving me feels of being a young kid listening to my grandfather's wwII navy stories and borrowing his wwII books every week and telling him what i read about. he was on a supply ship in the pacific, lol, he hated the japs until the day he died. prolly a big reason I never got into anime, i knew he would have hated that shit.
>>283924975
I hate this shitty oversimplistic games, giveme stuff like silent hunter.
>>283950546
So basically BF2 scenario.
>>283950793
It would be more like World in Conflict.
>>283950715
My grandfather was on a submarine. Apparently never talked about it, though, and he died before I could ever talk to him.
>>283950715
Just imagine if the Russians and the U.S. did a full scale invasion on Japan the death toll would easily be pass a million
>>283950609
>>283947518
>>283947314
This just reminded me of another huge HUGE difference that I saw in pacific vs midway and could impact the way you like to play.
In Midway, planes from CVs were highly realistic, they'd all carry a single bomb or torpedo, whatever you armed it with. After dropping their payload, they would be freshout and you could either use them to sortie or bring the back, land, resupply, and relaunch.
In Pacific, planes would be the same except after dropping their payload, there was a "cooldown" timer during after your bombs/torps would come back so you didn't need to bring them back to land/resupply/relaunch. making for faster more arcadey similar to BF1942 like gameplay.
Course in midway, many people just plunged their aircraft into the water after delivering their payloads so they could rush out the next armed squadron immediately without waiting for the planes to come back and land and all that.
>>283951345
If US had been invaded by Germany and Japan, US would surrender or fight to the last man?
Serious question.
World of warships would be good, but the masts are like, 200 fucking meters tall, so you can look over god damn mountain ridges
anything wargaming puts out usually disappoints though.
>tfw cruising around the pacific with my trusty rusty Fleet Boat, stalking jap convoys and task groups
It's like a vacation when compared to the Battle of Atlantic.
>>283950546
Nuclear powers just can't engage in any sort of conventional warfare with one another.
If you've got the sort of ideological clash strong enough to trigger a war between the major powers you've got the conditions for a strategic nuclear strike.
If you're not willing to launch you'd never even go to war, you'd back down beforehand and give in to whatever the aggressor was demanding.
>>283951345
There'd be so much who would kill themselves too or just fight to the death.
>>283951493
Surrender most likely.
>>283951493
It would be hard, since a LOT of US civilians had guns.
There's some proverb about it too, like grasses and shit.
>>283941368
Truly Romania's greatest achievement, the cookie amongst diharea
>>283951493
Every one in the US would be equip with a rifle, handgun and grenades. The invasion would fail.
>>283951608
How the fuck do those surface guns even work? Do they get retracted before diving?
>>283951345
no doubt, even with a massive bombardment, those fuckers were crazy and they were dug in like an alabama tick
>>283951493
back then probably, now, as long as my new overlord kept the booze flowing and walking dead on i'd be content
>>283951480
In Midway people would just crash the planes into ships after they drop the bombs and torpedoes.
>>283951845
No retracting. I'd guess they survive diving the same way guns on other ships survive storms.
