Why are you such a bully /v/? These people spent almost 4 years making a video game and you are killing it before it comes out without you even playing it.
Explain yourselves.
Nigger stop making these threads, no one fucking cares.
Judge the art, not the artist.
>>283849858
>Judge the art, not the artist.
Is this the latest epic meme?
>wanting to get your money's worth is unfair bullying
Get fucked, Ready At Dawn.
>>283850101
When Resident Evil 2 came out it had more cutscene time than gameplay. Claire and Leon campaigns both lasted 2 hours and everyone praises the fucking thing. Now The Order does the same and is suddenly a problem.
>>283849654
I hate how much media is around these days.
You can easily market literally anything.
>>283850394
>Resident evil 2
that was literally 3 fucking Playstations ago.
And the gameplay in RE doesn't make Dragon's Lair look like Devil May Cry the way The Order does.
Again, get fucked.
>>283849654
>So our game is extremely focused on the gameplay
>extremely focused on the gameplay
>gameplay
6/10 I'm mad
>>283849654
>This whiny faggot
How about QTE everything even the final boss fight which had recycled animations.
>face off against different ennemies with a variety of weapons
Except that's a blatant lie
80% of the ennemies are bland human mucks. The few werewolves you actually fight are either extremely badly designed or just straight QTE, with one reusing animation assets as the "final boss". And the weapons you use are basically reskinned every TPS weapon, with the exception of the thermite or the arc gun which are just completely underused
>>283849654
>that analogy
Is he seriously trying to argue that 1886 is the best game ever made?
>>283849654
>the best steak you've ever had in your life
Well the comparison would only work if this was the best game existing
>>283850653
>that was literally 3 fucking Playstations ago.
Oh fuck you. You people are always complain about how modern gams suck and how your old PS1 era games were so much better but when a game like The Order plays like the short cinematic classics you loved so much back then you trash it?
>>283849654
jesus that fucking analogy, it's not fucking food.
and there is no way they focused on gameplay for a game like that
>>283850942
>constantly defending shit games
When will gaming media die already?
>>283849654
>food analogies
the true sign of a complete fucking retard
>>283849654
>one $100 steak that's the best you've had
>all-you-can-eat shit steak
Did he just call games that have replayability shit?Did he just admit that 1886 has no replayability?
>something Ready at Dawn has since denied
>we literally had footage of the entire game and it only had like an hour of QTE-based gameplay
>"You're never grinding in our game."
>B-but JRPGs are repetitive so it's okay that our game is an hour long with no gameplay
>literally calling their game in metaphor "the best game you'll ever play in your life"
How the fuck are these niggas serious?
>>283851218
>cinematic
You don't seem to understand what the term means.
Cinematic means what little "gameplay" there is exists solely to progress the movie.
The fact that you'd consider RE2 "cinematic" the way this dogshit is makes me sick.
>>283849654
Ready at Dawn seriously needs to stop their bickering and suck it up. The game is pretty much going to be a success on hype alone, most consumers don't really pay attention to reports by people who got their copies early. If anything, they're probably making it worse on themselves by drawing more attention to the game's drawbacks.
>>283851218
how fucking retarded are you? the game sucks, it's really fucking short, and it's all fucking cutscenes.
>all games have cutscenes what's wrong with the order?
>>283849654
>These people spent almost 4 years making a video game
>These people spent almost 4 years making a video game that has 55 minutes of gameplay.
>>283849654
>everyone shits on it for being repetitive crap
>immediate responses from unbiased journalists specifically targeting any and all criticism the game has rightfully received
>people still think gaming media isn't just paid advertising
kek
>justly criticize their game
>hurr people are bullies look at this food analogy i made
>dev's face when people don't like their "cinematic experience"
I wasn't even interested in this game, but thanks for reminding me that hope is stupid
>>283851638
>the game sucks, it's really fucking short, and it's all fucking cutscenes.
You just described Metal Gear Solid through Metal Gear Solid 4. But its perfectly okay when Kojima does it right? :^)
>B-BUT QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
From what I've seen there's very little quality too.
>>283852256
Good job showing you've never actually played an MGS game, monsieur shitpost.
>>283852256
>all games have cutscenes
>so what if the order is all cutscenes? all good games must suck then
>>283852256
Yes, actually, it is okay when Kojima does it.
Because Kojima knows people would want to replay it, so he puts in all sorts of crazy hidden shit and post-game benefits to encourage players to do so.
What do you get when you replay Order 1886? Unskippable cutscenes.
>>283849654
>Buy $100 dollar 200 gram filet mignon at restaurant
>Waiter slowly cuts off each morsel and eats it in front of you.
>>283852256
Nice try kid.
it's more like you could buy a $5 steak and cook an excellent meal yourself, or you could buy a $100 steak dinner cooked by an incompetent chef that leaves you completely unsatisfied
>>283849654
I know you're being sarcastic, but these people deserve all the shit that's thrown at them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSu4RrcrBBU
>>283852475
I bet he'd do it with a smug face too, that bastard
>>283852654
If you would complain, he'd call you the cancer killing the food service industry and that you're entitled.
>spend 4 years
>end up with a 5 hour game that is mostly unplayable cutscene
why am I supposed to care
>>283852580
>We're not so different, you and I
>the whole Hobbit trilogy gets panned immensely for being a CGI-ridden piece of shit
>Hackson lives with it
>this shitty game gets panned on a much smaller scale for being a 60 dorra movie with a generic story
>studio chimps out
>>283852871
Entitled misogynistic gamer terrorist detected
>try to watch a guy on ustream play it
>he gets taken down 3 minutes after I join
>>283853191
The damage control is R E A L
>>283849654
Boyhood took 12 years to make doesn't automatically make it a good film.
>Make a shit game
>WAHHHH STOP BULLYING US
Funniest shit i've heared in months.
>>283852093
Ready at Dawn is ran by lesbian lolis? Shit I might have to buy it now.
>>283853071
The difference is that people will still go see The Hobbit no matter how much enthusiasts shit on it, whereas 1886's sales figures could get seriously damaged because of word of mouth. It's a difference in consumer culture.
It's also a difference in press, vidya journalists love to push the "entitled gamer" narrative, that doesn't happen with movies.
>>283850394
Would love to the fags PRing for the order 1886 beat a classic resident evil in 2 hours.
>>283850045
Does that look like a meme you dumb nigger
>>283853269
No, it doesn't, and it isn't. If only he had written an interesting story and characters to match the effort. I couldn't even finish the fucking thing.
>>283853269
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BOYHOOD DID YOU KNOW IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE
I FUCKING LOVE BOYHOOD
You know the consumers are right when there is THIS much damage control around the product.
>>283849654
>Waaaah publishers are bullies!
>Waaaah game reviewers are bullies!
>WAAAH CONSUMERS ARE BULLIES!!
I think I found out where all those people with liberal arts degrees went for work.
>>283849654
"... you're never grinding in our game
Well from the looks of it you're not going to play either, suppose I'll just watch the "game"on youtube and be done with it.
>>283850394
>When Resident Evil 2 came out it had more cutscene time than gameplay
I call bullshit. The game had dialogue, but most of them only lasted a few minutes. The only long cutscenes throughout both scenarios are Annette's flashback and the real ending.
>>283852784
>try to go to a different restaurant
>already blacklisted by the pro waiters mailing list
I've never eaten a $100 steak, have any of you? I guess you can have such things when you're a part of the movie industry.
1886 would still be shit even if it was 10-20 hours long. It would still be a generic QTE-ridden "cinematic" TPS with a terrible plot.
>>283849654
its ok nobody cares about /v/
Why has this world become so overly sensitive to everything? Criticism is regarded as bullying now, fucking hell.
>>283853818
This
>>283853746
The idea that any of these fags that now need QTE tutorials on the last "boss" would be able to beat a classic resident evil in 2 hours is hilarious.
>>283853269
WE SHOULD RETROACTIVELY GIVE BOYHOOD THE LAST 12 OSCARS
BECAUSE IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE
>>283853979
Political correctness.
>>283853818
Yes. But casuals don't care. Look at AssCreed. It has mediocre gameplay but is fairly lengthy. If it was short as fuck people would start complaining that those few hours they spent playing were actually not that fun at all.
>>283853786
>people actually pay more than $30 for a Steak
>>283853979
Because liberals turned victimhood in a profession.
>>283853979
"everyone is special" ruined everything
also everyone takes everything absolutely personally, because somehow criticizing something they like means you're insulting them because hey, they're a special snowflake
>>283849654
I just love how Sony and its devs are already digging their own graves. Pissing off customers with a competitor like Microsoft breathing down your neck is why PS2 went from 140 million to PS3 doing barely 80 million. History loves to repeat itself huh?
>>283854034
I rather have an amazing exciting QTE boss fight than the pile of shit boss fights RE2 had of running around the room in circles shooting at the tyrant for 20 minutes.
>>283853979
Deviantart kids graduated.
>IT'S JUST MY ARTSTYLE!!!
>>283853908
/v/ only ever comes in the media when when fake rape threats are produced and when the bad devs are female
>>283849654
They could try not making a shitty game
>>283854296
>amazing
>exciting
>QTE
Pick one.
>>283849858
good thing videogames aren't art
>>283854414
You fucking bully. You aren't allowed to say its a shit game anymore, that's bullying.
5hours?
>>283850425
This is the correct response.
>>283849654
>variety
Repeated QTEs even for the final boss
>no filler
two chapters of just cutscenes
>>283854414
It's not shit, stop bullying these poor developers or I'll have you doxxed then fired from your job for cyber harassment!
Why are game developers so fucking whiny these days?
Is it just the western devs? I almost never hear any Japanese studio or dev complain about th criticisms their games get; they just admit the game may not be for everyone, say they may have made some mistakes, or just outright tell the critics that it's not even an issue like Team Ninja to everyone bitching about fanservice.
>>283854572
>/v/
>job
>>283850045
>latest
600 year old phrase is the latest meme, yes.
I don't care about the length.
What I do care about is the gameplay and rehashed boss fights.
>>283849654
Why not? I mean crying about harassment on the Internet is the best way to make money, isn't it? They're just testing to see if it works on men.It won't. This is already backfiring and will probably be the studios final game.
>>283849654
>boo hoo people on the internet are mean
When you enter into a multi million dollar business where the world knows about you, you have to expect hate. Fuck off and get over it. If your game is disliked, it's disliked.
>>283854628
Blatant liberalization of the gaming community.
It's the source of EVERYTHING.
>>283854647
So have they come out to defend this yet?
>>283854628
There's a battery of game journos backing them up. It's their way of refuting criticism by letting the journos tell the masses that critique is ungrounded.
>>283854737
"liberal" has become a buzzword, it no longer means anything.
>>283854628
Western developers care more about themselves than the game and the fans.
>>283854647
Stop this bulling at once
>>283854875
Buzzword is a buzzword.
>>283855004
your face is a buzzword
Erik kain lastest article is too good.
>>283854628
I liked how everyone thought "Platinum Games is supporting The Order devs" when it turns out it was just one whiny weeaboo on their Twitter who hasn't actually worked on anything important.
>>283854972
>>283854875
Does that negate the point somehow? No, no it doesn't, unless you want to stick your head into the ground every time someone repeats a word.
It's only frowned upon to say that, cause on the OPPOSITE side of the spectrum we have retards from the right.
>>283854525
>>283855140
This is a bully-free zone
Wow, those are the most smug, unlikeable developers I've ever heard.
Holy shit what a convoluted ass-backwards way of saying "it's short," they managed to insult their target market on multiple levels.
Why do games developers talk so much shit, and the worst part is you dumb fucks buy into it. Jesus this is worse than politician-speak
>>283853979
It hasn't. Criticism is one thing, LOL SHIT GAME is completely another. On redchanit, in your daycare room and even in game journalism it's always the latter.
>>283854628
Capcom had offensive behavior during the MML3 and DmC crisis (Although MML3 I think was attributed mostly to one of their PR guys on Twitter being a dick). Capcom and NT both went through statements like "You'll love the new Donte," "You'll get over the old Dante," or "Old Dante isn't cool anymore, you guys seriously need to get over him."
Also Sakurai calling his fanbase children.
>>283852580
wait... bladerunner? wtf.
>put a review embargo on your game
>cry like a baby when its shown that your game is shit
EAT SHIT AND DIE
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>>283853667
Everyone is bullies.
>>283852256
When I first finished MGS4 my time count was 20 hours. Assuming that counts the 8 hours of cutscenes 12 hours isnt bad. Also it had multiplayer at the time.
VIDYA AKBAR
What kind of shit for brains pays $100 for a steak?
There's no difference to a $50 steak.
>>283855004
It is not
>Buzzword: A word drawn from or imitative of technical jargon, and often rendered meaningless and fashionable through abuse by non-technical persons in a seeming show of familiarity with the subject.
A buzzword is a word that's thrown around so much that it loses its meaning
"Liberal" is one of those words
>>283854737
>liberalization of the gaming community
it's the other way around, anon. If community was liberal, it would not criticize sexism and violence in vidya.
>>283855579
>>283855558
>people this retarded post here now
Get out.
>>283855558
>A buzzword is a word that's thrown around so much that it loses its meaning
I think you are proving his point mate.
I just hate how the devs assume anyone who does not love their game is some bully who hates it just to hate it. The game should have been longer, or at least cheaper than $60, and there's no excuse for rehashing boss mechanics. I wonder how many copies will actually be sold.
>>283855509
The human tongue can't taste higher than $30 anyway.
>>283849654
I thought we couldn't change anything? I thought our opinions didn't matter because it would sell millions reagrdless?
I wish shills would just admit they need our clammy neet bucks because we have so many users we have a tangible gravitational pull on the tide of games hype.
>>283849654
Because most games nowdays from AAA companies have marketing and advertising budgets 3-4x times the actual development costs, it's becoming more profitable to sell a bad yet well advertised game than it is to sell a well developed yet under-advertised game.
The result is that as customers start seeing gameplay videos, reviews, pre-release copies. There's a higher and higher chance of them going "Wait a second! This isn't what you're trying to sell it to me as!"
It's becomming more and more dangerous for developers to actually SHOW off game content now, because doing so in most cases will just shoot themselves in the foot if they're advertising more than developing.
>>283855719
They're turning people against them who otherwise wouldn't have had a parting interest.
>>283849654
>mfw peopl bought ground zeroes
>mfw the order is a result of publishers realizing people will buy demo-tier games like the order with no gameplay and just cutscenes and pretend it's cinematic
>>283855509
The same people who are going to buy order 1886.
>>283854525
check it
>spent almost 4 years making a video game
>it's shit
These devs deserve to be bullied
>>283855335
Calling a game shit is not criticism
Criticism = detailed evaluation
Calling something shit is not detailed, therefore it is not criticism
>>283850425
I think its a damn good article and Im glad they spoke up and said something about it.
>>283849654
Thank fuck they didn't have a woman on their dev team, otherwise Polygon would have called us all misogynists again.
>>283849654
>tell someone to give you $60
>you promise in return you will do their homework
>take their $60 before you've finished it
>give them their homework but with only the first problem done
>refuse to give their money back
>they beat your ass
>they're bullies
>>283855747
Is there a way to see how many users are on /v/ at the moment/today? There's the site-wide stats which are always impressive but I'd like a better idea of /v/'s traffic.
>>283854296
>amazing exciting QTE boss fight
>someone doesn't like what i'm doing
>IM THE VICTIM HERE
>>283855921
>four years
>5 hours
Just how? That's just over an hour per year. There's no way making a game can be that hard.
>>283854705
Who is this jizzle fizzler?
>>283849654
>these arguments
Um, congrats?
>>283849654
>our game is awful in both quality and quantity
>people focus more on the quantity so we'll claim the quality is good
That's now how it works
>>283855246
>why do a bunch of anti-social nerds keep saying stupid shit
>>283849654
>literally pls no bully: the developer
admit it anons, ready at dawn is ran by /v/tards, only you guys would want to be little girls that long to be bullied, unless it's /foolz/
>>283856059
>Claim that since the first problem was solved in such an incredible way, it was worth the $60
>Both the answer and reasoning is wrong
>make shitty 5-hour long movie
>call it a game and charge 60$USD
>get called out for it
>cry to Youtube to get accounts deleted for showing speedruns
>cry cyberbullying on legitimate criticisms of your movie
So is there an actual reason to buy this game?
>>283856097
>Just how?
They spend time on concept art, the engine and soforth before getting to the "game" itself
Must have wasted a fuckload of time in the ideas phase.
>>283856064
Moot said something like 1 million unique visitors on his stream. I repressed most of my memories of him so I might be quoting it wrong.
>>283856598
To form your own opinion and not be a worthless /v/drone
>>283856651
Literally who?
So does anyone have a cap of their Twitter meltdown?
>>283856598
Do you like buying a movie ticket 10 times?
>>283856598
Only if you're a mindless drone that feels like they have to play everything in order to keep up with the industry.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2wd9ai/the_order_1886_my_opinions_no_spoilers/
>standard TPS
>6 hours
WHY IS THE INTERNET TRYING TO MOB US!?!?
Oh look it matches up with the 5 hour playthrough that was on youtube before the account was terminated.
>IT WAS A SPEEEDRUN!!!
>HE DIDN"T LOOK FOR THE COLLECTIBLES
>OP doesn't feel it's worth 60 dollars and felt underwhelmed
Why do Neofags/dualshillers defend this?
>>283856598
Walmart is sold out of drink coasters.
>>283856651
>1 million unique visitors
Per day?
>>283856686
nice try
>>283855004
>>283855656
Liberalism
>Theory in economics based on belief in self-regulating market
>Government should be active in supporting social and political change
it's a fucking buzzword that contradicts itself
>>283856809
>>283856924
Classical liberalism =/= modern day "liberalism"
>>283856598
They claimed that they worked really hard on it. That logic means that you should ignore all actual criticism and that if you do not buy their game, you are ruining the video game industry.
>>283849654
>Video Games are food
>you consume them
>they become shit
Maybe he's just trying to sneakily tell us what they really think of their game.
>>283856924
yep and thats why liberalism is a cancer in 1st and former god tier countries(i.e Rhodesia).
Libertarianism or nationalism pick one
>>283853979
You'll see this everywhere, it's more evident in the game industry.
If a movie bombs, the actors, directors and writers will blame the critics but never the public. Vydia developers own the "critics" and they'll never blame themselves, so they can only blame the public.
>>283850394
>Claire and Leon campaigns both lasted 2 hours
Speedrun world record is ~1:55h, so unless you speedran it on your first playthrough you didn't make it in 2 hours
>>283854296
>>283852580
This is ripping off Blade Runner in every single fucking way. How the fuck can they do this and then try to claim theirgame is actually worth a damn?
>>283856598
Is that who I think it is?
>>283852919
standing here?
>>283856537
>speedruns
>>283855937
>criticism = detailed evaluation
IF someone wrote a detailed evaluation on what's wrong with that game, people would call him a troll nitpicking faggot on the mainstream net.
It's easier to say that the game is shit and get it over with.
>>283852580
are we not going to talk about how they stole their ending wholesale from blade-runner? he even opens with "Ive seen things..." for fucks sake.
>>283857252
This sums it up nicely. Good post anon.
>make a shit game
>deceived buyers rightly complain
>pls no bully ;_;
>>283849858
>150 threads on /v/
>ill go in all the ones i don't like
>especially ones that keep getting 500 replies, autosaged
>ill tell them no one cares
never change /v/
Cant wait for the reviews.
>>283852580
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>283855728
Underrated post
>>283857457
Maybe
LETS GO OVER THIS ONE MORE TIME.
>THE ORDER LOOKS LIKE SHIT
TRUE STATEMENT.
>THE ORDER LOOKS LIKE SHIT BECAUSE ITS 5 HOURS LONG
INCORRECT.
3 OF MY TOP 10 GAMES ARE UNDER 5 HOURS. LONGER GAMES GENERALLY SHIT THEMSELVES AFTER TOO LONG AND TURN INTO A SLOG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVXnoanopzA
Thread theme
The fuckers want the industry without our opinion but with our money.
>>283849654
It took them 4 years to make a 5 hour game?
>>283856537
>cry to Youtube to get accounts deleted for showing speedruns
Did this really happened?
>>283851218
Nah RE2 was alot longer than that when you first played through.
My friend can do some sick runs through the game through both Claire A and B and Leon A and B in around 2 hours.
>1996 game
>17 hours
>2015 game
>5 hours
>>283854628
Real answer:
The issue is with the gaming media. They want to be taken seriously by the critics in the cinema industry, or the music industry or the photo industry, and they think the way to get there is for games to become more and more artistic. Of course that, to them, artistic means more and more like a movie, more and more realistic. So. while they will say a game like STALKER or Bayonetta is good, they will never hail it as a masterpiece, because they want to be taken seriously.
And in their mind, to be taken seriously, you need to have serious games, cinematic games, which tackle really issues. So they have no choice but to defend shit like this, because to their eyes, it is more serious than other games.
They're all fags.
>>283853979
stop hurting my feelings, you cyber bully
i am now traumatized by your post, i need drugs and 50 days off
it does not help that i am a fat eskimo queer fungisexual
>>283858097
>comparing an RPG to a movie
>>283857883
No, it looks like shit because of things like this:
>>283854647
>>283854095
>>283855251
underrated post
He should have just come out said "we're not so different you and I", ends any dispute.
>>283851218
RE2 has the starting cutscene, cutscene where William dies and the ending cutscene
How you can compare that to Order is beyond me
>>283852580
is this legit or did they add the rain in for the video like they did the music?
>>283857956
>>283620375
http://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/2w65b7/a_few_days_ago_someone_posted_youtuber/
Just because you spend money on something and do a really good job at it, doesn't mean it's good.
Trillions of dollars went into the housing market between 1980 and 2007. The industry worked extremely hard at deregulating itself, and then in 2008, almost sparked the next Great Depression.
Literally NOTHING good came out of that.
>>283858538
STOP BULLYING ME
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_at_Dawn
Wow look at that superb AAA track record. Why are you all shaming hard working devs out of the industry?
>pls no bully buy our game
this blunder has been so pathetic
