Are casuals more important to the industry than us hardcore gamers?
>>283847696
Is making a thread about a person that has nothing to do with videogames a good waste of your time?
>>283847696
I fucking hate this guy.
How the fuck is he editor in chief of a major vidya site?
>>283848148
>chief of a major vidya site
>major vidya site
>major
>Vidya site
>5 kids
>Daddy my homework is to ask you what your job is
>Well honey I sit on my ass all day and pretend to be a journalist by writing reactionary, non-sensical clickbait bullshit for websites run by people who determine what to tell their brainless audience by taking bribes and consulting their corrupt peers. I am the very definition of useless. My existence actively makes the world a worse place.
>Oh
>>283848395
I don't him them. You don't like them. But still, Polygon is a major video game site.
>>283847696
>entitled, constantly angry fringe
I assume he's talking about the type of posts we see here on our beloved /v/, but that description describes the SJWs perfectly. And I assume he's cool with those faggots.
>>283847696
if he thinks his audience is shit and there is a well-adjusted audience why doesn't he switch?
oh right, because he's a raging twat that nobody likes
>>283847696
>Kuchera
>Not pandering to an entitled and constantly angry fringe
Choose one.
>>283849017
HAYOOOOO
>>283849017
Aren'twethe angry fringe?
I honestly believe clickbait bloggers browse /v/ as an inspiration for their next articles, most of them are exactly the same as shitposts you can find around here
>>283849280
We're one angry fringe, just not the one he panders to.
>>283849017
yea, I dunno if he understands he just commited a grand and terrible Irony with that fucking statement.
that's the kind of shit that people write Epic Poems about.
>>283849352
That or humans in general have a fairly common/standard set of techniques (or lack thereof) for bitching online.
>>283847696
>us hardcore gamers
/v/ is filled with casuals and teenage edgelords
>>283849385
Epic poems are sexist and misogynistic though.
>>283849536
Apart from you right? Everyone on /v/ is wrong apart from you.
>>283849385
I think of it like this, he's either myopic to the point of being basically retarded or arguing in extremely bad faith.
Either way, Ben Kuchera is somebody I will never take seriously.
>>283847696
from a businesses stand point, yes. casuals will buy anything if you market it hard enough.
>kuchera
>5 kids
how
what the fuck
>>283850382
It's as easy as having an income.
>>283850118
he's actively malicious, he wants other journalists who disagree with him (and have actual fucking ethics) like Erik Kain to lose their jobs.
you can see it in his beady, hateful little eyes, filled with malice and giddy evil.
plus he smiles like a child rapist.
reminder to report and hide inflammatory posts
reminder to stop caring what beta fucks with warped world views think on the internet
reminder that it's possible to fucking grow up whilst still caring about video games
>>283847696
If I want to make fun of people who only watch romantic comedies, I have the right to make fun of them watching garbage.
It's no different with casual games.
>>283847696
>The idea that press should ignore the millions of happy, well-adjusted gamers to pander to the entitled, constantly angry fringe is madness.
I agree it doesn't sound like a smart plan, but isn't it what they've been doing for some time now?
He looks like dobson.
>Guys! Guys! You wouldn't guess what the social justice people are saying! XD
You are the cancer.
people aren't angry if the games they like aren't rushed pieces of SHIT.
>>283850382
Holy cow... These shitheads aren't supposed to reproduce.
>>283847696
>The idea that press should ignore the millions of happy, well-adjusted gamers to pander to the entitled, constantly angry fringe is madness.
But you do this all the time, you goddamned sack of shit.
>>283847696
>The idea that press should ignore the millions of happy, well-adjusted gamers to pander to the entitled, constantly angry fringe is madness.
That's some serious cognitive dissonance right there.
>>283850758
Well, he's right about 'new gamers' at least.
>>283850758
>Rev60 literally contains "I should go." as an end conversation option
Way to call people derivative when you literally made an Ass Effect fanfic, right down to the memes.
>>283847696
>>283850758
Oh this is bullshit.
Casuals play games on smartphones with controls I, apparently a hardcore gamer, can't even be bothered to learn. Casuals play some p2w facebook games that require you to log in every few hours or so and look after your shit like a madman, which I don't even have time for.
What casuals don't do is line up to buy Gone Home or Revolution 60. The audience for these games is gaming press and friends of the developers, sometimes one and the same.
Yes, casuals buy FIFA and CoD
Yes. Casuals have always been the lifeblood of the video game industry. Without casuals, video games would still be university projects.
>>283847696
has kuchera, and the rest of the mental patients been rounded up and strapped back into the gurney yet?
>>283847696
Keep digging, games media.
>>283851471
>The audience for these games is gaming press and friends of the developers, sometimes one and the same
THIS IS THE BIG WHITE FUCKING ELEPHANT in the room that the entirety of the GG movement missed.
>>283852058
never have I seen a group so harshly and so quickly through out one of their own when they dissent in any fashion.
besides Muslims of course.
>>283852058
What the fuck did he say?
>>283850514
>reminder to report and hide inflammatory posts
What does that even mean? Saying "x" game is bad could be considered an inflammatory post.
>>283852528
>>283853264
He's trying to bridge the gap. The far too gone mindset is reacting negatively to him, because it's become a scorched earth war. Either they win, or everyone dies; nobody else can win.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1bTi9Yy09Oq
>>283853625
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1bTi9Yy09Oq
WHY TOTALASSBASED is so spot on?
>>283847696
They are. They follow what master says and gobble down all his shit and piss without fuss.
>>283852528
He didn't outright condemn gg and dared to retweet this offensive petition.
https://www.change.org/p/kotaku-lead-the-way-in-healing-the-rift-in-video-games
Which has led to journalists to start shitting on devs and shifting all the blame toward them.
>>283847696
Can you please stop trying to promote yourself ben.
>>283853264
>try your very best not to upset the hambeasts
>end up being threatened
I wonder if that was enough to change his mind.
>>283847696
"Industry", who gives a shit, it's a money thing that some gel-haired douche in a boardroom will figure out. But for gaming press, core gamers are so much more important that it's hilarious, for the simple reason that CASUALS DO NOT READ GAMING NEWS. Or articles. Or reviews. Or interviews. Or fucking anything. They are casuals, meaning they have only a passing interest in the hobby.
It's almost sad how clueless the press are on the fact that they're shitting on the only people who could conceivably keep them fed.
>>283847696
>Ben Cochoera
>not a complete retard
pick one
why do you keep giving these people attention
From a companies perspective it makes sense, catch as many buyers as possible, that's why the robocop remake was pg-13 when the original was so brutal and ultraviolent it needed to be toned down to even make it in the theaters, pg-13 means a bigger prospective audience.
But this is why when a game comes along no focused on that market I love it so much, assetto corsa is made by a small team with making an advanced physics model and high user customization and modding being the goal, and I love it, most people who aren't into simracers won't make a single corner with the aids off
>>283854609
This should be drilled into Kuchera's thick skull by whoever signs his paychecks.
>>283850758
I rarely get angry at retarded things sjw post, but this got me. These people genuinely think anyone who disagrees with them are frat boys who play cod all day.
Casuals are not long term consumers. They will go away when the games they paid for aren't the flavor of the year anymore.
Just see the Wii -> Wii U situation, only people who bought that was a portion of Nintendo hardcore fans. See the PS4 for the reverse, it's the new cool thing so everyone got it day one.
If you rely on casuals, sooner or later someone is going out of business.
>>283854609
The entire reason the media is going HAM on this issue is because they want to shift their audience to the casual market.
Core gamers realize it's a cesspool, so they're moving towards other venues for news.
Casual gamers couldn't give less of a fuck, and when they do get their news it's from YouTube celebrities.
So in a desperate effort to gain any audience whatsoever they're throwing all of their weight towards casuals.
>5 kids
Someone out there willingly got impregnated by Kuchera 5 times. Maybe less if twins are involved, but still.
>>283854942
Extremism 101.
>Somebody said something they don't agree with
>Sort them into a category of people they don't like
>Now they can safely ignore them instead of giving any consideration to their viewpoint
>>283847696
More important? No.
More profitable? Certainly.
>>283855209
They're not cuckchera's biological children :^)
Casuals can bring in bigger payday, but unlike Hollywood who learned they just have to suck it up if their million-dollar production was an absolute flop the publishers and developers in the vidya industry whine like bitches because they feel ENTITLED to any and all shit that comes falling out of their assholes to be hailed with massive profitability and criticial reception calling it 100/10 God's Gift to Gaming "it was okay" -IGN.
Ben Kuchera is a tabloid styled writer. His goal is to drive an industry into the ground, turn it into something that is no longer sustainable; then move into another industry where he can do the same.
His actions don't promote betterment of the industry, only serve to create conflict and vilification of others, so that there's a constant state of war between two sides. This in turn breeds confusion, which the greater industry can then take advantage off to generate hype left and right with progressive "We won't do it again" token pieces, but then fuck up whenever and get away with when they can.
It's a business, they have this shit down to an art.
>>283847696
There's a difference between a casual and someone with no standards at all.
>>283854942
It's much easier to hate someone when you break them down to be unrelateable to you.
It's why people always describe shooters as "loners" and other stupid labels. It's because people find it easier to hate others when they have a nice label on them that doesn't read "They're just like anyone else, including me".
>>283847696
>pretty much every AAA game caters to casuals
>casuals cry that the remaining niche games don't
Looks like they need tocheck their privilege.
>>283855437
Yeah you never hear "but think of the poor grips and lighting techs this movie deserves your money they're trying hard!" like you do about games
>>283848530
Not really.
IGN is a major gaming site.
Polygon ain't shit.
>>283855682
Casuals don't play AAA games. Destiny and Call of Duty aren't casual games.
Angry Birds and Candy Crush are casual games.
Casuals don't use dedicated gaming hardware. They use their phone or play online on their macbook.
I don't care if they are "more important" as long as the games I like still get made. even if I'm a smaller part of the market I'm still a part of it after all. but then again this is just another thread to draw more attention to shitty internet personalities
>>283847696
>work spread across 3 different sites
>because he got kicked out of 2
why is this a good thing?
>>283847696
Why do people throw their kids around like a cross to bear?
>Decide to have a family
>LOOK AT HOW HARD I WORK BECAUSE OF THE LIFE I CHOSE
>>283853586
An olive branch is an admirable thing to do, it's an appeal to humanity and sensibilities we hope is in everyone.
Unfortunately in this case, neither side would go for it.
The Game Journos would reject it, because they already view the gamers as enemies, why would they apologise?
Then the Gamers, they suspect that the Game Journos full well know what they're doing is wrong and is just to line their pockets or further an agenda, they've no interest in changing their behaviour because they profit from it.
>>283855849
>casuals don't play AAA games.
false
>casuals don't use dedicated gaming hardware.
false
quickly someone post japanese developers again, we need something good to feel in this thread
Ben Kuchera has more readers than ever before, he said it himself. You can't kill him /v/, he's too powerful for you to defeat.
>hurr durr muh hobby must remain pure
Shut up, fedoras. Everyone plays video games now. Everyone. Casuals deserve their games just like you get your artifically difficult japanese shit. Just because we get our games doesn't mean you won't get yours.
>>283847696
Yes, that's why the market is based around them
>>283856652
no one even in his own field likes him, they tolerate him because he's an "ally"
he's a creepy beady-eyed little man, a sort of Chaotic-Evil George Costanza with a child rapist smile.
>>283856761
>Pretending to be a casual on /v/
The fact you're on /v/ is proof you aren't a casual.
>>283856761
why do you suck so hard that you need your own games? are you that retarded?
>>283848148
He isn't. He's editor of their opinion section. Which tbh he's the opposite of who you would want there. Dude doesn't understand what makes a good opinion piece and had been letting any dumb idea for an op ed fly as long as its by the staff. He's a big part of why Polygon isn't just games anymore. Him and Dave Tach and the McElroys probably meet up in Cincinatti to butt fuck.
>not even piggy baldcade wants anything to do with kuchera
>>283856761
>artifically difficult
>b8ing
>>283856917
this is what I mean, he thought THIS was worthy of promoting himself.
just look at him, he's fucking terrifyingly evil and crazy looking, but also incredibly schlubby.
>>283847938
>person has nothing to do with video games
try.
>>283856987
Seeing people do what 4chan did a few years ago always makes me laugh. People give this site and its users so much shit, but in the end they always end up waddling down the same path unaware that it was their bogeymen that laid it down for them.
>>283857607
its because 4chan is an easy target.
id rather have people like that think its some shit place, when in fact its honestly the only place on the internet where talking about video games and discussions are even worthwhile.
And if /v/ is the golden star at this then I guess that goes to show just how fucking horrible everything else really is.
>>283856987
i'm pretty sure bald said it greatly pained him to let kuchera go in the post where he announced they were shutting down the penny arcade report
i really want to believe he was being polite
>>283852058
Boy I love all these accusations and no source!
Okay so on one hand people like Kuchera want fun to be abolished because they want something else, and anyone who says "They're just games shut the fuck up" is a deeply misogynistic right wing think tank drone.
But!
If you're a casual gamer, then FUN IS ALL THAT MATTERS THEY'RE JUST GAMES SHUT UP
>>283853264
But Ken, I'm not interested in fixing it, I just want to make fun of all the salty Susans in gayman journalism as they try to soothe their white guilt.
Has a game ever lost consumers due to being too hard?
>>283858243
dark souls, hardest game ever made
>>283858340
oh come on, i'm being serious
>>283847696
Here is the thing,
No one would claim hardcore gamers are lager then the casual crowd, but something these chuckle fucks don't seem to get is this...
1) We can have both casual and hardcore games, anyone who says we should focus on one or the other that isn't part of development can go fuck themselves.
2) The causal market may be bigger, but its not the safest option because in comparison to the hardcore crowd, casuals don't care or pay attention to video game related business, they buy based on what their friends or TV commercial says they should buy.
3) Anyone who complains about "entitled" gamers while siding with the SJW fucktards they need some serious self awareness, which Ben has shown to have none.
>>283847696
>the idea that press should ignore the millions off happy well-adjusted gamers to pander to the entitled, constantly angry fringe is madness
THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO
ITS LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS
Casuals are the majority of gamers and they just want to have fun. We're just the vocal minority.
>>283858483
Mugatu's words were never so relevant.
>>283857607
Nobody outside of 4chan understands 4chan.
Shit, there's people that've been here for years that still don't get it.
>>283858420
I dunno, Monster Hunter probably
>>283856987
I wish I could do that with 4chan. I've hated this place for nearly a decade now but I have nowhere else to go.
>>283858243
Doubtfully, most harder games tend to go under the radar for the majority of people and unless they get recommended by a friend it's just another game they never bothered with because it didn't get a TV commercial.
>>283858243
F-zero GX
>>283858483
Ben lacks any form of self awareness
This isn't new
