How exactly is this not the best Souls game?
its a meme sequel to a memequel to a meme series is why
prepare to die got added back to steam
>>283748836
Hitboxes were off, enemy design was not as good, world was not put together that well.
Mechanically, it's the best, overall, it's the worst
Crap story,
accidentally released beta version with improper enemy placements.
accidentally released game before Dx11 support so they had to re -release
Bosses were uninspired
Dlc was good though...
>>283749354
>Crap story
Ivory King?
Alonne?
>>283749545
>Dlc was good though...
>>283749120
>mechanically the best
Adaptability and Soul Memory were terrible mechanics.
>>283748836
I liked it I think it's a solid game bring it faggots.
everyday i play i get invaded by hackers who just teleported me and sht all over the place,
its not even funny anymore
it plays well but almost everything about it is about as boring and tedious as blighttown.
>>283750145
What you get for being a pc shitter. Seriously pc playerbase is worse then stage 4 stomach cancer.
>>283748836
Instead of making a game that was about struggle with a simple plot focused on adventure, finding secrets and piecing together a story, it went with "hard for the sake of hard", checked off a list of mandatory areas compacted together with no logical thought put behind it, and don't even get me started on the "SO MYSTERIOUS" story which is a convoluted mess of bullshit.
It did outdo itself with weapons, armour and magic. The choices have never been so endless before.
And then it went and shoved a lot of that behind % drops to make it grindy as fuck. I should kill whoever decided to put the visible aurorus set on a single spawning black phantom in NG+ that has an incredibly small chance to drop it. The only thing I can think of from Demon's and Dark souls with low drop rates is pure bladestone.
Souls games are NOT supposed to be grindy fucking RPG's. If you discover something and can get to it with the tools you have, you earned whatever it is. Don't make me run back and forth in an area to get what I fucking deserve.
>>283748836
>best color pallette of the series (including that sickdark game bloodborne)
>varied environments
>more weapons
>more armors
>better physics
>better fps
It really has better everything. No point in even greentexting all of what it does better.
>>283748836
Soul Memory.
>>283750245
At least for online games, yes. Singleplayer games they seem to be a lot more well mannered.
>>283750245
yeah youre right, pc really ruined it for Dark souls, at least pve is still decent
>>283748836
Because it's the worst. I mean it's a great game, it's just not as good as the other 2 fantastic games.
>>283749884
>not liking Soul Memory
It actually made PVP fights fun. No more people invading with their max level weapons in the starting zones. Every time I got invaded in Dark Souls it was a real fight, rather than "I basically can't damage this guy and he can one shot me through my shield"
Sure, soul memory makes matchmaking with specific people for co-op difficult, but if you need help for DS2, git gud.
>>283750457
Of all the things Dark Souls 2 does wrong, I will never understand why people seem to be universally up in arms against the one thing they did right.
It's to encourage levelling and not limiting yourself because it is an RPG while also preventing twinking.
They even sort it into tiers so after a certain SM everyone gets clumped together.
Why the fuck can't you work around that you shit?
Soul memory.
>>283749979
Aniki thread?
lacking atmosphere and poorly designed bosses.
that's a death sentence for a Souls game.
People act like the difficulty is the draw of the series or the lore, but honestly I disagree.
It's exploring a world full of character and facing grand foes.
You can argue about how hard it is and what's canon till the cows come home, but the draw of the franchise isn't there.
I don't hate DaS2, I have over 100 hours and tried a few builds into NG++, but it is painful how much they didn't care for large portions of that game.
People often point out that Dark Souls 1 was rushed towards the end, but every boss in that game still feels inspired and creates a unique memory for the player.
You can't say the same for Scopiongirl and Serpentgirl.
Or hey, what about slug-bulldogdemon that later appears in the DLC as Ice-slug-bulldogdemon.
Also the graphics look really flat and washed out.
I don't really know the technical reason for this, but DaS1 looks better on PC with dsfix despite DaS2 receiving a much better port.
The adp stat is why.
>>283750457
soul memory is the only thing they did right.
instead of railing against it, try to work with it.
>>283750887
What's wrong with it?
>>283751085
>Muh meta
>>283750865
Basically this summarizes all of the finer points I could throw out.
All the Multiple enemies vs. you boss fights really had me borderline about to drop the game.
Souls combat shines more in 1 vs 1 boss fights, and you take far too much damage and rolls are simply not effective enough against two rapidly attacking massive boss enemies.
Pony Canyon and it's boss fight is a complete cluster of all the things wrong with Dark Souls 2. Everything about that area is fucking terrible and poorly designed.
>>283750887
>mfw I have to keep instructing my sister to put her souls into ADP and explain each time why she basically needs to
it took her fucking forever just to beat the dragon rider
>>283750865
whaaat? It had a good atmosphere anonup until we got past the lost Bastille
boss fights are all the same
weapon durability is godawful
shit hitboxes
fun combat was replaced with mobs
story is nonexistant
health degradation
enemies despawning being implemented for literally no reason
>>283750667
You obviously didn't PvP much. SM forced normal players that stayed at around SL 150 to fight maxed level assholes all the time.
There literally is no meta in DS2.
>>283751295
Best weapons were also ass
Ugliest and most boring weapons got the job done.
I'm about to play it for the first time can v make recommendations on stats and builds?
just played iron king dlc
just an hour of ambushes leading up to the most irritating smelter demon reskin fight ever, just turned it off after he was dead and the door just lead back to the fucking stupid elevator area
>>283751295
Aside from the health degredation, I agree with all of those points. Also:
>>283750865
>>283751085
>>283750598
>>283750343
>>283749120
Are all correct.
>>283751295
>for literally no reason
it was implemented to prevent people from farming, which is stupid because people still do it and use bonfire ascetics if they need to.
>>283751342
fuck meta, all meta does is stagnate.
>>283751378
Fuck I'm tired /v/*
>>283748836
The PvP is broken as fuck because of adaptability.
It's actually frustrating at times that players can easily dodge everything simply due to them having more i-frames than an onion has layers.
There are some redeeming and quality bosses like Aava, Allone, Fume Knight, Ivory King and Sinh. But those are all DLC bosses.
>>283751169
and what meta is this?
>>283751424
>just an hour of ambushes leading up to the most irritating smelter demon reskin fight ever, just turned it off after he was dead and the door just lead back to the fucking stupid elevator area
That area and the frigid outskirts are the gaming version of AIDS.
Who made those areas and thought "yes this is good"?
Did you play the pre-blue-smelter area on NG+++ like me? Because the amount of black phantoms in that should be fucking illegal.
>>283751424
Did you play the Ivory king?
Its even worse and feels corridor tier as fuck on anything but pc the lag makes it annoying to fight Aava
>>283748836
Not as well written a story as the other games, not nearly as great level design as the other games, and its monster design is uninspired when looked at, again, in comparison with the other two. It's a great entry-level game and it can teach you how a Souls game words mechanic wise, but once you've beaten it it's best to move on to the other two.
>>283751490
Meta makes it so you can't be an all-in-one badass.
You could literally be fighting a dex/str/int/fth asshole fast rolling in full smelter armor.
Meta is what makes the game competitive and strategic.
>>283749979
>>283750781
Yes
But in all seriousness
The DLC's were the best parts of the game
An arrow phased through an enemy and hit me. I don't think I've ever seen that happen in the previous games
There's also a couple bonfires with enemies right next to them. That was just plain stupid of the developers to do
>>283751745
>Meta makes it so you can't be an all-in-one badass.
I'm a level 500 everything. But then again, I only really grinded that far because I'm sick of being invaded every two minutes and now I can take care of invaders while not losing progress on my NG++++ walk through an area.
>>283750667
It also puts builds on the honor system and throws novelty builds out the window- the guys who would hang around specific areas & cosplay instead of twink.
It really burns because they could have accomplished what you praise it for without the shitty laziness-induced side effects. Excuse me while I go refind one of the tweaks they could have implemented to fix it.
>>283748836
Loved ds - but this sequel was bad enough to notice from merely watching gameplay vids
Easily the shittiest direction of the series. Everything felt uninspired, and the game was more concerned about punishing you than actually making the game fair.
>>283751745
I agree with that other anon
Meta stagnates, makes shit boring and the players get retarded when you try to go against it and have fun.
>>283751629
even Sinh and Ivory King weren't that great.
Sinh is Kalameet-lite with easier to exploit blindspots and although the intro into the bossroom is amazing for Ivory King, the fight itself is fucking nothing.
Fume Knight was godly though.
>>283751783
slvl 120
>>283751840
>go into offline mode
>dont have to be an autist that grinds for hours
It's a jumbled mess and feels even more incomplete than its predecessor.
I really don't understand how some people can play the game and not get the feeling that its half-finished.
At least with DaS1 you didn't get to that point until after Anor Londo.
Its weird that /v/ likes the game moreso than usual but its almost the prime example of the industry's habit of releasing half-finished products.
>>283751840
Why not just play offline?
>>283751295
>enemies despawning being implemented for literally no reason
At least you can now prevent enemies from despawning by joining the Company of Champions.
>>283748836
The level design in the first dark souls was vastly superior, as was the story presentation that went hand in hand with it.
The disjointed zones in dark souls 2 are really a let down after the giant interconnected world in DS 1.
>>283751789
>There's also a couple bonfires with enemies right next to them. That was just plain stupid of the developers to do
They added more enemies surrounding bonfires in the scholar of the first sin version.
There is now a fat green ogre stalking around in front of the first forest of the giants bonfire.
>>283751926
>Can't co op or leave messages
Besides I like being able to use everything.
>>283751887
Raime best boy. Sinh was alright and Ivory King only wins big points in presentation.
>Trying to do the Crown of the Iron King DLC with a low soul level
>>283748836
Combat felt looser. Like there was a slight input lag, and the animations were too fluid. Combat in DeS and DaS felt stiffer, but tighter and more responsive
>>283751947
>At least with DaS1 you didn't get to that point until after Anor Londo.
until you've had a look at all the cut content pre anor londo
Then you realize Demons was and still is the best of the 3
>>283749884
>Thinking that twinking is acceptable
I'm playing through it for the first time, and I really hate how all of the enemies spin mid-attack when you are circling around them. It's very annoying.
>>283752024
>They added more enemies surrounding bonfires in the scholar of the first sin version.
Prepare to die, right guys?
>>283752041
>Trying to do any DLC on NG+++
Just don't. It's not worth the pain. Every enemy is a sponge and there are thirteen black phantoms everywhere.
>>283751887
Ivory King can tear you a new asshole on NG+3.
A lot of the Dark Souls 2 bosses don't genuinely become difficult until NG+3, i think that's mostly due to the pre-release talk of making the game "more accessible".
NG+7 Elana or Darklurker, that is some nightmarish shit.
I dont understand why people always say theres a shitty story to this game or the fact that there isnt one, there IS a fucking story you just need to fill in blanks youself or maybe go out of your way a little bit to find out what the story is.
>>283752041
>>283751783
I just got the dlcs the other day for the first time trying to go threw the old iron king with never even seeing it before on ng+6 is hard been stuck there for a few days.
I really liked Dark Souls 2, especially the DLC, but the longevity of Souls game is decided by their PVP: and a game with Soul Memory, Monscimmy and Syan's Hitbox just doesn't have good PVP.
The game is also a lot less interesting to explore. I liked how the DaS world was something of a hive, and the way the areas were interconnected was great: DaS2 just doesn't have that, it's a huge flat plane with lava in the sky and they're hoping you won't notice how uninspired it is by having you bonfire warp through it all.
>>283752019
>The disjointed zones in dark souls 2 are really a let down after the giant interconnected world in DS 1.
Holy shit this
DaS1 had a great flow to the areas, whereas in DaS2 its just like walking from one set onto another with no transition. Really breaks the feel of the game.
>>283751883
One of the few things that DS2 did right was give the ability to rework your stats.
There is no excuse. Plus you seem to forget that once you are max leveled, there literally is no incentive to create any new characters.
That's like the ultimate stagnation.
>>283751679
I loved Frigid Outskirts until I noticed that the horses/reindeer/whatever they are infinitely respawn, sometimes forcing you to fight 3 or 4 at once. Because of that, it's one of my least favorite areas, along with Iron Passage and Cave of the Dead.
And all three of those areas have terrible, unoriginal, lazy bosses. I'm almost grateful for that, though, since it means I don't have a reason to force myself through those shitty areas again.
>>283752224
>A lot of the Dark Souls 2 bosses don't genuinely become difficult until NG+3
they can't honestly expect people to want to get that far though.
I beat every DLC for the first time on NG+2 and only because I had already whored out for achievements.
Why should you have to play through the game 4 times on the same character to finally get the REAL experience?
>>283750352
>varied environments
because the game is just a bunch of random levels slapped together in ways that dont make any sense at all and give a huge middle finger to the awesome level design of the first two games ie. hieds tower of flame way far off in the distance but takes 2 seconds to walk to it, as opposed to being one big interconnected and well crafted world
>more weapons
all with worse move sets
>hitboxes
>weapons and hits feel like shit
>movement somehow manages to feel more awkward than previous games
>muh iframes
>linear world design based on being able to warp between every bonfire in the game
>shitty boss fights overall
>>283752283
It was a colossal fuck up given how much emphasis was put into the last game on this.
>>283752124
Get used to that. It's something nearly every enemy has in common
>>283752298
>there literally is no incentive to create any new characters.
For you maybe
We aren't the same anon
>>283752246
The moral of the story is "nothing actually matters what you do", it just goes out of it's fucking way to make things as convoluted and "poetic" as possible.
That's not how you write a good story. It's a very, very bad one.
>>283752356
I got stuck for a half hour in a single spot fighting off those fucking reindeer. It's even worse because their attacks are infuriating and they can ambush you even if you hear them coming.
>>283752072
still missing the sixth archstone bruh.
it still is the most complete game though i suppose.
>>283752356
They were meant to be Co-op.
Cave of the Dead is easy enough compared to the others but you really need a crew for that Gank Squad Fight. Iron Passage has the higher pathway were you can bypass the Ashen Soldiers and deal with those fucking Astrologists.
Frigid Outskirts for me, I hunted down those goddamn reindeers in the blizzard and made them despawn
>>283748836
it took the worst parts of both previous games and used it as its core foundation
>>283752124
Try the DLC where every single enemy has a backstep they can activate anytime and is three times as large as yours.
Bosses too but the bosses always do it immediately after a regular attack and follow up with a lunge.
>>283752491
Really? So you enjoy the pointless grind to get back to max SL, just so you can start all over again?
You've got to be kidding me, anon. Nobody is that autistic.
>>283752464
Makes me not even want to continue playing. And I loved DaS1 so much.
>>283752246
All I got was "shit is fucked up and nobody remembers why the fuck they're here because they go crazy and you're here because you're undead and you're going to go crazy".
They really wanted to drive home nobody remembers shit though.
There might be an actual story buried under all that ambiguous bullshit but most of it is just ambiguity for its own sake.
>>283752429
Because the developers wanted the casual audience.
That talk of making the game more accessible wasn't a joke you know.
>>283752124
this shit is fucking annoying
>hey, once people got good at it they can breeze through our game with backstabs
>should we tighten up the detection for backstabs, make them harder to get and possibly remove i-frames from the stab animation?
>no let's make every enemy twirl like a beyblade to follow the player
>>283752494
You aren't very familiar with stories that don't all have happy endings, are you?
>>283751342
I PVP'd for more than 50 fucking hours. And I enjoyed it trice as much as the unbalanced shitheap that was Dark Souls pvp.
I never ran ridiculous hex builds, I built fun, gimmicky characters like powerstancing greatshields, and you know what? It was fucking great. Throughout all the PVP I did, I never felt like I was outmatched by gear alone. Every time I lost it was because they were just straight up better than me, and every time I won because I was better than them.
>>283752298
i have five accounts and they are all completely full
>>283752708
The release week PVP was really fun. I dual wielded a Sun Sword and Ricard's Rapier and had decent matches before everyone became Havelmonsters and Hex mages
Hi, I'm here to waste a boss slot in an otherwise good DLC. I'm also at the end of a long hallway of enemies.
Bad hitboxes
Worse online out of the 3
Shockwaves and horrible feedback on many enemy moves
Magic is even more broken but crossbow/bow is useless as shit
Gameplay wise, its better. Its setting and armor/weapon design is amazing.
>>283752619
There's actually a lot of stories in the game. Tons of them, for every character and for interactions between characters.
You can get most everyone's backstory.
>>283752636
I find this funniest on the turtle knights.
>Okay, we have an enemy that is completely immune to backstabs and will punish anyone who even tries it.
>lol just in case let's make the fatass spin like a ballerina so he's always facing you.
>>283752684
It doesn't need a happy ending, it just needs something that takes a few more braincells to rub together. You can't fucking have ten NPC's that tell you fantastic stories about light and dark, choice and things that matter and finding the truth only to go "everyone will die repeatedly forever and nothing matters" and tell me it doesn't directly contradict every fucking theme and dialogue that was introduced along the way.
Fuck you fuck off and don't ever write anything.
>>283752814
A hallway which you can bypass if you pull the levers
>>283752814
>implying the cool ranch smelter demon wasn't objectively the best boss in any game ever
>>283752814
Holy fuck this boss is fucking bullshit.
I died maybe a hundred times against this fucker. I'm not even exaggerating.
>>283752072
Jumped into the game blind and didn't pay any attention the hype of it or DeS.
Shit I remember when we had DeS generals. Seemed so cozy, especially since shitposting wasn't all the rage.
Anyhow, even if they cut content pre-Londo, it still felt cohesive.
I've played very little of DeS but I do agree that its the most put-together of the games.
>>283752920
No you can't, that's a dead end.
>>283752878
>it just needs something that takes a few more braincells to rub together.
I take it you didn't get in to any of the lore or backstory then, because most of it requires putting things together in context with not just information given in flavor text but also with observations found in the world.
>>283752814
you're also pointless
>finally beat him
>path returns me to the bonfire
>no reward
>>283753058
You can pull the levers and go through it in a window of time before it closes. How do you think you're supposed to get those items on the higher ledges
it's hard to say after all this time, but if anything, dark souls II suffers in that it wasn't created with the same spark of genius that demon's souls and dark souls were
that's all it is honestly.
the gameplay is by almost all means better
weapons aren't necessarily better balanced, but more viable
a lot of formerly unnecessarily complex gameplay elements were streamlined and simplified for the better
there's more of everything; enemy variety, weapons / armor, spells, bosses, etc.
the soundtrack is, by itself, out of game, amazing; it definitely stands up to the original games'
but when you actually play the game, it just feels lifeless, without the love and attention to detail that the two prior games had put into them.
the things like gargoyles in 3-2 dropping soul items
demon's souls especially tries to draw you into a world that's extremely carefully crafted, just to show you how cool it is.
>>283753041
Seriously? He's easy as fuck
>>283753046
>Shit I remember when we had DeS generals. Seemed so cozy, especially since shitposting wasn't all the rage.
You can still have a Demon's Souls thread without any shitposting. We've had a couple in the past few months that were really pleasant.
>>283753149
>Implying that the boss soul isn't a reward
>>283752708
It doesn't take a genius to see that max SL and SM ruined PvP.
The game is no longer build vs build and is instead who is best at playing their powerhouse. It completely removes the strategic element of making builds.
>>283753149You get the Pharros/Dad mask that soaks you in water
>>283753149
BUT YOU GET THE GIANT DAD MASK
LE LEGEND NEVER DIES XD
>>283753041
It killed me a ton, too, but I always felt it was fair. I actually love the fight, I just hate that it's essentially a powered-up reskin of another boss. It's just lazy.
Not as bad as the Three Stooges, though.
>>283752814
Smelter is a fun fight if you're not a scrub.
>>283753231
There's no shitposting cause newfags haven't played it and PC guys will never get it.
>>283752708
And those 'fun, gimmicky characters' only last for so long before you start losing to the guys who kept pumping their souls into their levels because why the fuck wouldn't they?
Meta is love, meta is life.
DS2 has no meta.
>>283753195
>there's more of everything; enemy variety, weapons / armor, spells, bosses, etc.
>the soundtrack is, by itself, out of game, amazing; it definitely stands up to the original games'
everything about this post is correct except these two lines
there is minimal enemy variety or creativity, and the score is repetitious and awkwardly reused throughout the game
>>283753309
You can already fight him in Iron keep, its not about him being hard or fun or whatever. Its the same thing as dark Ornstein, except that version is slower than the original Ornstein.
>>283751378
make a stronkman build, strength, vitality, endurance, and adp and you're good
>>283753260
The strategic element of making builds died as soon as it devolved into shitters using Google to find the build and CE to just whack it in.
Besides, the agape ring exists now. If you want to stay at a particular SM like you stayed at a particular SL in DS1, you can.
>>283752587
Calm down anon
A quick few day grind is nothing near the level of autism WoW players that're still subscribed or waifu fucktards have. Furfags and New sonic fans probably take the autism cakeand then theres that goodra retard here...
Every so often I just make a new character with a friend or 2 and we try and do things we havent before. If we've done it all we pvp until the shit is boringor gank and accumulate hate mail.
>>283753528
The game was just rushed, and they ended up handling it even worse than DS did with Bed of Chaos.
The only flaw I can find in Dark Souls 2 was there weren't enough gargoyles at Belfry Luna. There should have been at least three times as many gargoyles and sniper towers for bellfags to snipe at you so it could be challenging
>combat feels stiff and shitty
>most weapons have way shittier move sets
>various sound effects sound laughably bad, for example, the jump
>graphics look..better but so so much worse at the same time, i honestly cant describe it but im sure im not the only one who feels this way
>bosses are shitty, literally an entire area of spooky skelington bosses for christ sakes
>adaptability
>no atmosphere at all
>music was shitier
>voice acting sounds waaaay shittier>i might just have to git good or something but something about it feels 100x more tedious then the othersi really likes majula and how they made it a central hub
>>283753428
What if he's using the Agape Ring?
>>283753195
>there's more of everything; enemy variety
Not really, i played souls to fight nightmarish monsters like the gaping dragon, manus, quelaag, centipede demon, ceaseless discharge, hellkite drake and the hydra.
Dark Souls 2 almost every boss barring the rat bosses who aren't an original idea anyway wield some form of shitty metal weapon. I wanted to fight eldrich demon abominations, not have a knightly duel.
>>283753428
And then I put my souls into doing the same thing. You know, all those souls I got from PVPing.
>>283751486
Is that what that was put in for? I thought it was put it as a crutch to help shitters (like myself) get to a boss.
>gameplay is the best
Why?
I liked DaS1's handling of everything a lot better, especially parrying and backstabs.
Though I can see how nerfing the latter helped meta.
>>283753041
>>283750245
>pc playerbase is shit
>half the messages I get from people I dueled onxbawks livehave contained xD or umad
>>283753804
DS1's backstabs locking in as soon as the attack started were a fucking nightmare. DS2's model of "initiates a special attack which initiates the backstab if it hits" was way better.
>>283753626
Which is where the meta at staying at a low SL comes in.
DS was objectively better in its PvP because you can have people using the same builds, but still have a giant gap in skill.
Armor, weapons, and magic are much more prevalent in DS2 than any actual skill.
>>283752708
>And I enjoyed it trice as much as the unbalanced shitheap that was Dark Souls pvp.
b-b-b-b-b-bbbbbbuuuuut Avelyn + BSS was all the fun you could need in DaS anon
The unbalanced retard shit is what made it fun
Remember the Ninja flipping WoG spamming, Moonlight butterfly shield using, avelyn haveldads?
I love the game, but I did feel disappointed by it at first. I think it's mostly because I had already played the first game, though. I wish I could forget everything about both games and play them again, that would probably make me like 2 more.
Adaptability is annoying, rolling felt pretty useless for a while. I like that there weren't as many absurdly hidden things that I would need a guide to look up, but I still would have liked more secrets. It was cool finding out how to return to the Undead Asylum (And, after that, to the Painted World), and discovering the Great Hollow, but 2 doesn't have anything like that.
I think letting you warp between any bonfires right from the start was a mistake, too. The first game made you feel nervous when you explored, since you would be going farther and farther from the places you know, and will have to make a big, difficult trek back. 2 gets rid of that by letting you go anywhere from any bonfire.
>>283753703
The bell tower was fucking stupid.
They should have had another forest sized area, using something like a desert with sand storms and giant rock formations would have been perfect.
>>283753041
It was shit
I died to a 15fps hit box extending Aava a hundred times until I wipped out the hunters black bow
From made me do it. Fuck them.
>283753945
All of those got patched whereas Ds2 has its flaws in the very core of its design.
I still haven't actually played DS2. But doesn't it reuse a lot of the same armors and enemies as in DS1?
>>283752246
I personally am fine with the story. What I disliked is that it sort of trivializes Dark Souls' whole atmosphere. Pretty much everything in the game makes you feel like it's a dying world, and it truly is. Every other NPC is an asshole. The only place you see that looks even vaguely okay is Anor Londo, but even that's just an illusion. All the gods have left Lordran behind, and everyone that's still there is slowly going hollow. The one hope Lordran has is the Chosen Undead sacrificing himself to the first flame, but it's estabilished that your sacrifice will only slightly delay the dark from taking over.
What bugs me about Dark Souls 2's story is that they took that whole thematic and threw it in a garbage bin, and it ends rendering Dark Souls 1's great story meaningless.
>>283754079
>All of those got patched
you dont fucking say?
Thats why I said "REMEMBER"
Avelyn and BSS are still the toppest of tiers. Everything prior was unnecessary and slow
>>283754129
That's what happens when you get a new director to take over someone elses project.
Ds2 hs nowhere near the depth of DS in that regard.
>>283754126
It's a sequel isn't it? Who cares if the game explains that it's been so long since the previous game no remember Lordran existed, we need sun praising and Havel's armor!
Literally just Soul Memory, fix that and its good
>Muh ring!
At the cost of one ring slot? Thats not a fix.
>>283754126
A few of the same armors yeah, but enemies don't really repeat.
It's a shame, really, 'cause the DaS2 enemies are worse.
>>283754129
Aldia put DaS story in the coffin by saying that it doesn't matter what we chose. It's a goddamn cycle.
And once again, DLC's are the only things worth discussing about Dark Souls II
>>283754126
They include the Elite Night set and a dozen or so weapons and thats about it.
Enemies are of the same type and behave similarly but have different models, though all I can remember that are the same are hollows.
>>283748836
It is. MUH Miyazakifags don't know shit
>>283754126
Not too many. The only returning enemies I remember are rats, dogs, and basilisks. There are a few returning armor sets, but I don't think that's a problem. There are plenty of new ones, anyway. Probably more than in the first game.
1 definitely does a few things better but I'll always prefer 2 just because it doesn't have the Lost Izalith
>Include BK Weapons
>Make them shitty and fuck up their movesets, turn the BKGS into a generic greatsword
>Don't include the armor
Truly the greatest injustice the B team cooked up.
>>283753746
i was thinking of stock enemies, not bosses
most areas in des and das have 2 - 3 enemy types in them
das2 averages closer to 4 - 5
it feels.. like im playing it just for the sake of playing it, i guess, it doesnt feel like a grand and atmospheric adventure through a well crafted world like the first two did, it feels like a series of tedious levels slapped together with hallways that completely defeats the purpose of the openness of the originals
>>283754730
why does the BK sword look so different?
it looks like it's not even the same model
>Final boss is complete shit
>From makes a new final boss
>It's even worse
Blunder of the fucking year. Why couldn't they make a boss like Raime or Sinh be the final boss?
>>283754993
This is one of the few things that can be legitimately explained with the fact that a lot of time has passed since Dark Souls
>>283751629
But the amount of I-frames on at 25/25 build which is what non scrubs do gives 1 less i frame than fast roll from DS1. Why are you complaining?
>>283754730
They needed to change the black knight sword moveset in dark souls 2 because of how they reworked the rolling system.
People can consistently dodge roll katanas, what makes you think a slow attack like dark souls 1 black knight R2 attack would ever hit anyone this side of the galaxy in dark souls 2?
>>283753750
So now you're both havel-hex-sl-600-monsters and all the diverse gimmicky builds are dead and gone.
Or at least that's what it was before fromsoft went 'oh shit, we're fucking retards' and added the Agape ring.
>>283755142
Don't know if it was because I first fought Raime and Sinh on a very high NG+ but they fucking pissed me off and I never want to face them again.
>>283748836
http://www.noobfeed.com/features/412/lords-of-the-fallen-is-better-than-dark-souls-2-sorry-fanboys
>>283755218
Nobody ever got hit by the R2 in DaS either, it was a cool gimmicky PvE weapon, now its a reskinned generic greatsword.
>>283755303
Once you git gud at Raime, you can easily beat him without having any of his attacks hit you. One of the best designed bosses in the series IMO. Sinh can be a bag of dicks though, but I liked him
>>283748836
>>283754563
>finally get to the bottom of the great hollow, its resting on this giant dome
>shit i cant wait to see whats underneath
>oh shit this city looks sweet as fuck
>ok a field of zombie dinosaur hips thats..cool..i guess
>get to the city, nothing but shitty enemies, completely kills the atmosphere
im not gonna lie it was the biggest videogame related disappointment since skyrim for me. i still love the game although i have been hard pressed to play again since i experienced the last chunk of it
>>283755419
While the DLC's couldn't salvage the game, it really brought some much needed improvement.
The coop areas are pretty mediocre though and I place my sign so no one has to go through that shit alone
>>283755669
Nobody summons in co op areas because they're overrun with invaders. Thanks but no thanks.
>>283755548
>>283755191
The amount of i-frames combined with how much slower dark souls 2 combat makes PvP insufferable.
Every fight is like clockwork to me, i can't really explain it in words but if you've played as much dark souls 2 PvP as i have you'd understand. Basically you always have to assume your first attack is going to miss and bait the player into falling into some trap you laid.
i.e. moonlight greatsword R2 wind up, but then cancel the R2 with a backstep into a backstep attack.
Simply put, it's no longer possible to hit a competent enemy player with a well aimed attack because they have invincibility during the entirety of their roll. For instance if i aimed a moonlight greatsword attack away from a player in dark souls 1 and it connected while they were mid roll it would hit, this is not the case in dark souls 2.
>>283755548
>>283753626
At a certain point there's nothing new under the sun anon.
>>283755186
well here's the original.
>>283755919
and here's the dark souls 2 version.
it is totally a different sword.
>>283756070
Oh shit. I thought you were talking about the black knight greatsword. I hadn't seen the regular black knight sword is DS2 yet.
Great job B Team
>>283755919
>>283756070
The first is just a sword, barely a greatsword because the player isn't as tall as the black knights. The other is a legitimate greatsword.
I still can't believe the fucking bullshit they pulled with Sotfs
dark souls 2 isnt doing it for me, ill have demon souls in the mail in a few days, please tell me its as good or better then dark souls 1
>playing through the DLC
>so fucking good
>imagine if the whole game was like that
Man, DaS2 could haven been the best mix of DeS and the first DaS with some better level design. I could have forgiven all the other issues.
>>283756261
It's just as good as Dark Souls 1, just less variety in armour and magic since it came first. Don't get your expectations insanely high.
>>283756356
>Dragon Sanctum and those ghost knights that needed their real bodies destroyed
>That entire room with the mummified bodies
>Brume Tower and the Ashen Idols
>Eleum Loyce and the journey around the city to find the Loyce Knights
DLC was damn great
>>283753726
>combat feel stiff and shitty
nah, combat is best of the three
>most weapons have way shittier move sets
can't really say yes or no, i use a few select weapon types and don't have a problem
>various sound effects sound laughably bad, for example, the jump
agreed
>graphics look..better but so so much worse at the same time, i honestly cant describe it but im sure im not the only one who feels this way
probably not used to the 60fps?
>bosses are shitty, literally an entire area of spooky skelington bosses for christ sakes
There are a good amount of unique bosses that offer a decent challenge, but the mobs and reskins do get on my nerves, but I will say DS1 did have that x factor
>adaptability
level it?
>no atmosphere at all
subjective
>music was shitier
agreed
>voice acting sounds waaaay shittier
don't really focus to much on this aspect
>i might just have to git good or something but something about it feels 100x more tedious then the others
yea git gud
i really likes majula and how they made it a central hub
agreed
>>283751203
why would anyone need that many iframes?
>>283756261
It has patches so you'll feel right at home.
>tfw dark souls 2 doesn't have FromSoft's fucking glorious trickster mascot
Jester Thomas' mute ass does not make up for this shit B team.
>>283756261
Hope you like invaders with healing items.
>>283751203
>Read about Dragon Rider in a game magazine and how one of the writers had a hard time
>Finally play the game and find Dragon Rider
>Even from how he looks, he isn't intimidating at all
>Wreck his shit
Fucking casuals
What do you guys think about pic related?
>>283755789
I've put about 400+ hours into the PVP. I suppose I never put into account that they have slowed the game. I have noticed that you can roll into any attack to win.
Honestly I had to resort to making figure 8 like movements to bait an attack then attack. You make a valid argument though. I just have little experience in DS1 pvp maybe only 200 hours so I guess I haven't noticed the change.
>>283756610
No ones playing anymore anyway
And Demons pvp was the way it should have been. 2 fags locked in an eternal battle with scraping spears and new moon grass....fucking beautiful
>>283756261Kill yurt
>>283756668
A mockery of souls that isn't even worth using as a coaster.
>>283756668
What is this new Diablo 3 expansion? Why is it 3rd person?
>>283756421
veriety in equipment wont be a huge issue to me to be honest, i just want that atmosphere and level design
>>283751185
What area are you referring to as Pony Canyon?
>>283756628
>Having trouble with Dragon Rider
Unless he didn't raise any of the platforms or was actually talking about the two Dragon Riders, that guy is terrible. He's one of the easiest bosses.
>>283756235
i dunno man, why suddenly just make a greatsword out of nowhere?
>>283756779
Ah the days of dual wielding Sharp Uchi's and Hiltless's
Then I have my fucking Cursed Weapon Bramdt that sadly doesn't gain any damage boost whatsoever from upgrading
>>283756668
Ya know, DaS2 gets shit slammed for having too many humanoid bosses with big weapons.
But this one has really overdone it.
Also, no online mechanic.
Man, if you want to copy others at least make sure you copy one of their best part.
>>283756824
Nah, literally the single Dragon Rider. Hell I wrecked his shit even without raising the 2nd platform, I didn't even know that existed until after
>>283756779
>2 fags locked in an eternal battle with scraping spears and new moon grass....fucking beautiful
You mean two fags locked in an eternal battle with pushlock and storm rulers with new moon grass trying to knock each other off the nearest ledge.
>>283756835
Because greatsword are better than swords.
They're great swords.
>>283756261
Demon souls is a good game for sure, but I think some people on here overhype it (either due to it being the first in the series or because it was exclusive to playstation.)
>>283756668
its like they tried to make a carbon copy of the souls games but the people making it didnt actually know anything about what made them good, they just wanted to cash inkindof like dark souls 2
>>283756540
well we got pate, but he doesn't have the same oomph.
next time they need to have a thief character legitimately make your playthrough a living hell if he isn't supposed to be funny or endearing.
>>283756976
Or you can just snipe him with a good arrow till he raise his shield of which when he only have a sliver of health left.
Tell me, /v/, is this game fun and atmospheric? I don't care about PVP shit, I just want to play single. I heard there are so many patches and all. What's the final version?
>>283757340
>atmospheric
>>283757038
if they are so great, then why didn't i see any black knights using any?
>>283757303
Either way, no one should have any trouble with him. They're an example of shitty knight bosses
>>283752814
How the fuck I missed this?
>>283757340
better to play ds1
>>283757340
DS1 was more atmospheric, this game still has a fairly well done atmosphere though (especially later in the game.)
>>283757340
not really, play demons and dark souls if you want an atmospheric single player adventure
>>283757228
Pate is cunning, he is a lot more cunning than Patches who is simply an idiot.
Plus, his conflict with Craighton makes up for a lot of shit.
I'd take another character like Pate over the simpleton like Patches.
>>283757445
They're not great knights.
>>283757340
I don't care about PvP either, don't participate in it at all if I can help it. But I love these games, solo is great
>>283752998
>cool ranch smelter
lel
>>283757160
Fun fact : they have never played DaS2. They are all Demon Souls fans and some of them played DaS 1.
My only real complain with DaS2 were the hitboxes. Agi I can live with but jesus christ some of the hitboxes were retarded
>>283757438
What's so funny about that word, friend?
>>283757501
>>283757527
>>283757545
I've played both DeS and DaS.
>>283757705
i think its funny because it doesnt compare to its predecessors in that department
>>283757559
then why is the sword burnt charles?
why is the sword burnt?
>>283757705
>I've played both DeS and DaS.
You won't have the same feeling as the first time you played them then, but it will still probably give you enough of a good feeling that you'll want to play. It's not complete shit like some people say, just not as good as the predecessors.
>>283757675
Its as retarded as what we get in DeS and DaS.
They used the same shit in a different engine, thats it.
You just got used way too much on roling through attacks and the way it work in DaS2 frustrate many like you.
>>283757037
No i mean 2 fags locked in an eternal battle with 99 Old spices every yuria and Freke spell and a Blind with new moon grass'
Funny if you think about it...there was barely any variety back then. I just did a vinland build + set run every replay
>>283756878
I shat on people with the Bramd. It always capped at 500dmg with Light weapon but It got the job done against katanatards
>>283757870
Definitely this. I understand and validate all the nitpicking shit but I still find it decent enough to play.
Guess I'm not that autistic
>>283754129
DaS2 isn't even canon in my eyes. It can't really trivialize the original story. It's not even directed by the same person. Their visions were different. Half of the items from DaS1 are brought back because of nostalgia and pandering. That's enough evidence for me to not take the story seriously.
>>283758069
b-but the four big bad guys have the same souls as the ones you fought in Dark Souls!
git gud
>>283758069
>canon
Please take your shitty camera brand and get out
>>283758069
>>283758205
The only story in DaS2 worth knowing are the fragments of Manus and how they ended up in the DLC
>>283758294
no
From fucked up big time with the MUH DARKNESS MUH ABYSS shit
its kingdom hearts tier now
The only story worth knowing was about was related to the dragons and bonfires
I hope Bloodborne strays from all the stupid shit
>>283758610
It almost definitely will. Bloodborne has already been confirmed to be GOTY
>>283758858
It's people that hype it up that fall down the most. Maybe that's why I don't find Dark Souls II so repulsing as most of /v/ does. I had no fucking interest before release and just bought it on a whim because I had nothing else to play
>>283758610
things got way to fantastical for me in dark.
i liked the not as magical setting of demons better.
>>283758858
>Bloodborne
>GOTY
http://www.worldsfactory.net/2014/09/23/why-lords-of-the-fallen-impressed-me-more-than-bloodborne
Bloodborne is confirmed to be unfinished at this point.
>>283759075
So? It doesn't matter if it's finished or not. Miyazaki is directing so it's guaranteed to be amazing
>>283758294
What people don't realize is that Manus is supposed to be an ambiguous entity that no one really understands. He might even be the furtive pygmy.
The citizens of Oolacile started to become corrupted for unknown reasons. There are a lot of unanswered questions with Artorias of the Abyss' lore.
What Dark Souls 2 does is shit on everything that is mysterious about Dark Souls 1. They simply made Manus evil and put a couple of references in to signify the importance of Dark Souls 1 on their own story.
It's just not good writing in my opinion.
>>283758858
I refuse to believe they wont pull some weird shit with BB. I want to believe.
>mfw the Maiden is brought back from wherever she took the old one by seiths 26th grandsons cousin as the old one itself but the twist was the Maiden was manus all along
>>283759265
I'm expecting a wave of people hating on Bloodborne once it gets released
>>283759385
It's just going to be PCucks and nintoddlers jealous they're not part of the sony master race
Very sweet magic in ds2
Literal wizard battles in this game
>>283759385
I only expect to see that on /v/
It'll probably be loved everywhere els. Pcfats and retards alike will demolish this board with hate threads a day after release. Even more so if gaf likes it
>>283759465
>sony master race
MODS!
>>283759385
that's a given.
it being ps4 only (supposedly) really pissed off a lot of people.
>>283759468
>using magic
child detected
>>283759465
Granted, we'll only have smaller pool of legitimate shitflingers who will complain about shit after playing the game so I guess that's that.
>>283759468
I agree. Some spells are fucking useless but a lot fucking better than the same variations of Soul Arrows and Soul Spears, even the DaS2 has the most variations in general
>>283759385
Its already getting hate. The problem is console wars and trolling are so ingrained into the discussion of this game that any positive comments made (valid or not) will be called shilling and sonyfanboys and negative comments made (valid or not) will be pcfags and trolls. The game will get no decent discussion on /v/. /vg/ will be the only place worth talking about it on.
>>283759701
i have played this game to death im gona use everything
>>283759465
fuck off with your console war shit, you have to be 18 to post here
>>283759758
just like das2
Game is still liked and played over on /vg/
Here we get a hate thread or what went wrong thread every other day
>>283759912
Except he somewhat has a point.
>>283759924
That's why I stick around /dsg/ but fuck, the shitposting dude there is getting out of hand
>>283759924
but /vg/ is legit terrible.
those few years in the dark general shortened my life expectancy.
>>283760036
>he
Stop samefagging
>>283760132
I see constant talks about how much we hate the game here while I see talks about playing the game and asking for builds there.
I'd rather hear the latter
>>283760204
You're saying that people aren't being biased about it because it's a PS4 exclusive?
