Don't mind me, just over here being the worst Metal Gear game.
>>279755606
Yeah i fucking hated it too.
Gameplay was fine, it was pretty fun (although it was too easy) but the story fucking killed it to me.
I expected at least a bit of sriousness from this game, and the only thing i got was the true ending, which was nice.
Aside from that, the technical inconsistencies with the times really made you question if the REX was so powerful in 2005.
Daily reminder that Peace Walker is a retelling of Big Boss's life told by Otacon.
It really was retarded. The awful story, the lack of a charismatic Boss group, and the shitty handheld gameplay. I'm glad Ground Zeroes pretty much destroys everything to do with that game in an hour.
>>279756380
>I'm glad Ground Zeroes pretty much destroys everything to do with that game in an hour.
Damn GZ is short as fuck.
That's not Portable Ops
>>279756521
>imply PO is a real Metal Gear game
I...I'm depressed because no more solid snake husbands adventures with his boyfriend otacon. Big boss is okay, but I love David.
You're all a bunch of casuals who wouldn't even expend one hour playing any Metal Gear game.
>>279756987
It is, unfortunately.
On the bright side, that means PW isn't the worst.
reminder that MGS4 should have never been made and Rising should not be canon
>>279755606
Fuck off retard, MGPW Is one of the best.
The shittiest Metal gear is MGR
>>279757917
Right now playing mgs4.. It started alright, but then Naomi came into the scene, vamp too and Eva. I'm disappointed. Still love my old snake tho
>>279757846
At least PO had crawling and sidling.
PW couldn't even manage that much.
Peace walker was amazing. The only things I could think that were bad are the extra op vehicle missions, and the fact that it wasn't very challenging.
>>279757917
>>279757846
>>279757993
>>279756380
>>279756043
"Look at me, I pretend to like MGS to socialize so I must say that some games are shit because some shitty community says it."
>>279757767
expend one hour playing any Metal Gear game?
>>279757767
Snake!!
>>279758301
>>279758240
The topic said that Peace Walker is the worst Metal Gear game, which it is. That doesn't mean it's a bad game.
>>279758240
It's the worst mg of the series. Deal with it
>>279758434
No, it's actually a bad game.
It valued quantity of content over quality of content and it fucking shows.
>>279758434
What was the intention again? Yea, that's right.
Why don't you all go play some Metal Gear so you can find what it is about.
>>279758519
>look at me mum, im arguing
>>279758530
"Oh no, the game is not about shooting and running forward, it's so shitty. I'm going back to Call of Kiddos. Yeah, that's a real game."
>>279758621
Foxhole now, master
>>279755606
Yeah, it was pretty terrible.
PW is great, but it does have some weak points.
Pros:
>Base building gameplay
>Portable size levels
>Tons of hidden little extras
>Building a metal gear
>Story did some interesting things
>Comic cut-scenes were p. cool
>I liked spec-ing out for each mission. Stuff like choosing my weapons and armor loadout.
Cons:
>Aspects of the story. For example, it seems as though Snake has forgotten the entire ending of MGS3. In addition to this, it is never quite clear why he forsakes the Boss.
>The grind-fest at the end of the game. Seriously fuck whoever thought it was a good idea to capture Zadornoff 7 fucking times or some shit just to see the true ending. I get about as hard for Metal Gear as Ocelot does for Big Boss and I didn't even plow through that field of feces and just watched it on youtube.
>>279758763
Yeah, let's sneak up on this jack ass that's the most dumbed down a.I in the series. Hold up, wait till he puts his hands up and on your way. What happened to the smart one that will fight you back after a while. The game was the worst in the stealth department.
>>279758763
>pulling the CoD kiddy card
Come the fuck on.
>the game is not about shooting and running forward
You could actually do this because PW's gameplay favored lethal tactics and the guard AI was garbage enough that you could just fucking run through the tiny stages anyway. CQC was overpowered and easy as hell so if you got close enough to the enemy you pretty much won.
PW's gameplay is a fucking insult to Metal Gear
>>279758763
are you bating or something
give me one reason how its better than other metal gear games
i hate 4 but i had more fun with it
gz was a demo and i had more fun with it
>>279759012
>battling the fucking a.I bosses 20 times to get the zeek parts. Fuck that shit
>>279758763
>>279759131
>doesn't know how to go sneaky and non-lethal
>says it's impossible to do so
>>279759189
I won't even bother to argue seriously with you since you said Ground Zeroes is a demo, just try it again and I might do so.
>PW releases
>/v/ loves it
>hails it as return to good MGS
>at the time PSP exclusive, not many people can play it
>rerelease on ps3, PPSSPP comes into existence, game is widely available
>OMG THIS GAME IS SHIT
the cycle is real
>>279759424
This ain't /b/, I'm totally serious about what I'm saying. Guess what, it takes timet to understand Kojima's masterpieces. I guess most of you didn't even try to stop shooting and running.
>>279759012
>The grind-fest at the end of the game.
Man, I'm actually attempting to platinum that fucking game. There are 30+ vehicle missions that are just slight tweaks of each other and you have to play them all at least twice. Once to unlock the other missions and special gear, then a second time to S rank with your grinded up gear. In total I think you have to S rank 160 different missions but the vehicle fights really sap the fun out of the game since the only way to S rank them is non lethally.
>>279759653
Do people here even have a personal opinion about games? It seems like /v/ is basically one minded voice.
>>279759669
Don't make me laugh, kid. I did it non lethal all the way and it was a walk in the park, and I suck at mg. The game was baby mode
the story is ok
the gameplay it's good, but people only hate it because you can't crawl.
the co-op is fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yVdNv3uvQ
>m-muh realism
it's MGS you retarded fuck
sadly, the side missions distract the player from the main story.
I thought Peace Walker was extremely fun and enjoyable. I really liked the mechanic of CQC being able to dunk multiple dudes at once, the taser being able to K.O people easily, of kidnapping enemy soldiers to fight for you, the customization aspect, the boss battles that were fun and you didn't mind replaying, the fact you got to build and fight your own boss, the fact you got to send missions out with your troops to kill more stuff to get more stuff, that multiplayer was fun, all of it was enjoyable.
>>279759012
>Base building gameplay
It is pretty unsatisfying. You don't interact with Motherbase in any interesting way, you just capture better soldiers during missions to increase the base's level.
>Portable size levels
I can understand why this was done, considering that they had the limitations of the PSP.
>Tons of hidden little extras
All MGS games have this.
>Building a metal gear
Which involves playing the same repetitive boss battles again and again.
>Story did some interesting things
I agree with this.
>Comic cut-scenes were p. cool
Agreed.
>I liked spec-ing out for each mission. Stuff like choosing my weapons and armor loadout.
You could do this in MGS3 and 4, except it could be done during actual gameplay.
>>279759521
>doesn't know how to go sneaky and non-lethal
>says it's impossible to do so
I never said it was impossible.
In fact, that's EXACTLY what I did when I played Peace Walker, because that's how I've always played Metal Gear. And every time I got to a boss I felt like the game was punishing me for going stealth non-lethal, because I didn't have powerful, lethal weapons to take out the bosses, because I didn't want to use them in the rest of the game.
And if I wanted those weapons, I'd have to grind my ass off replaying missions, beefing up Mother Base and buying upgrades and new guns. Which I don't want to do because the missions are boring and the gameplay is just a gimped, shitty version of the console games.
PW is trash. Deal with it.
>>279759653
When I finally played PW the general consensus that I saw was that the game was really good.
And then I played it, and it was trash
And I said it was trash in MGS threads and people hounded me like I was a shitposter
>>279758519
>Worst metal gear
But that's not AC!D
>>279759967
The boss's A.I is listening to its heart! It's singing and putting down her weapon
>>279759931
Please, try it again, I see no argues around.
>>279759967
>sadly
I wouldn't say so, it basically made the game so much funnier and extended.
>>279759012
That's because the whole game was designed around the PSP's limitations. I loved it back when I played it on the PSP, but not on the PS3.
>>279759967
>>m-muh realism
>it's MGS you retarded fuck
I hate when people say this. Just because Metal Gear has a lot of kooky shit in it doesn't meant to see Snake constantly going into epic 360 noscope bullet-time backflipping mode.
>>279760198
I just want solid back.
>>279760150
>You could do this in MGS3 and 4, except it could be done during actual gameplay.
Peace Walker is obviously a portable game. Areas and missions were small partly due to limitations and partly because Peace walker was supposed to be something Japs played on the train to school/work. It's a pick up and play game.
>>279759967
>the story
I liked a lot of the story. My biggest grip is Snake not knowing about the Boss never defecting. It's like the whole Eva revelation never happened at the end of MGS3.
I don't know if this happened as a result of poor translation or what, but if Big Boss literally doesn't remember, then that's a pretty ridiculous retcon.
>>279760186
The game was essentially meant to be played co-op. That doesn't excuse the shittiness or anything but there you go.
>>279760367
yeh, i don't know if i wanted to post "sadly"
side missions in everygame are cool, but people forget a bit about the main story.
>>279755606
Not portable ops or that card game.
The only Metal Gear with fun coop in hd.
>>279760367
Nah man, I finished the story mode like a week ago. I pretend to replay 1,2, 3. Peace walker was a drag and I don't like easy games. I suck at stealth, but I like the punishment of the other games.
>>279760581
See this video for evidence of what I'm saying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmGwLyvU35Y
>>279760198
ACID was cool and fuck you.
>>279760198
AC!D was good. AC!D 2 kicked ass. You probably never even played them.
>>279759521
how is it not a demo
its like an hour to do everything
or do you want me to use the proper term "prologue"
>>279760684
yeah that really bothered me when playing this
>>279760549
>It's a pick up and play game.
That doesn't make it less bad. MGS's formula doesn't fit "pick up and play."
And the PSP can go into sleep mode and resume the game right where you left off, so it isn't necessary that the gameplay be cut up the way it was.
There are all sorts of games on the PSP that don't choose to cut themselves up into small chunks like that, and it's wonderful. And if they're part of a larger franchise, they'll even keep the gameplay consistent (e.g. Daxter, KH Birth by Sleep, PSP God of Wars, R&C Size Matters).
PW is completely different from the other MGSs in all the wrong ways and there is no justification for that.
>>279760186
>>279760608
>being this casual
>>279760656
Play it to the deep and we'll argue, everyone can play it on its base.
>>279760798
1 hour? That's only the time it would take to you LISTEN to all the cassettes so you can know the story. You also need to find all the cassettes.
>>279761257
>casual
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>279760581
No, he denies it publicly to ensure The Boss's mission was not a failure if indeed what EVA told him had been true. Can't trust a triple agent who used you that easily.
>>279761239
>PW is completely different from the other MGSs in all the wrong ways and there is no justification for that.
How many hours did you play it?
>>279761339
I don't even know which of the two casuals you are.
>>279761373
I buy that for all the torture scenes, this one is the only time it doesn't make sense. BB is alone with the computer; there is no one else there. The way he phrases the question seems to imply that he doesn't remember; rather than questioning whether or not EVA's account is true, he tells her she defected and asks if she really defected. It makes it seem as though his character cannot believe that the Boss would defect, and is looking for an answer as to HOW or IF she really did. However, he already has that answer from EVA. The way he is presented in PW makes it seem like he would be more than willing to accept EVA's account, lie or not, because he didn't want to think that she was a traitor. By accusing of her defecting while alone in the machine core, it implies that he thinks she really defected, but has his doubts. It would make more sense if he thought that she really didn't defect, but had his doubts.
It comes off as confusing and the interpretation is muddled as a result.
>>279761257
What do you mean with playing it to the deep? I finished the 'secret' ending and everything, I grinded, I beat the A.I bosses 3/5 times each... What else is there to do? I don't want to grind or play shitty hide and seek.
MGS4 was the worst.
>>279760429
You won't because he's dead, deal with it.
>>279761458
About 20 hours. I finished the story and did a couple of Extra Ops to see what they were about.
I didn't get the true ending because it literally required grinding out Extra Ops and boss fights for ZEKE parts. As if I'm going to do that.
I find it impossible to rank Metal Gears, however, the general consensus is either that MGS4 or PW are the worst. By order of agreement among the consensus, MGS4 and PW are the worst.
However, I think every game is the best at some critical aspect, and as a result none is better than any other. They are all excellent.
>>279761708
It could be deeper than that. He may understand her patriotism and what it led her to do, but not her abandon of him.
>>279760549
>It's a pick up and play game.
I understand that. But even ignoring the ability to change your loadout during gameplay, PW lacked the interesting camouflages that MGS3 and 4 had. I don't see why things like disguises couldn't be programmed into PW.
>>279761754
MGS4 was better than PW. The only bad part of 4, gameplay-wise, was the first part of Act 3. And even that was more enjoyable than the repetitive missions in PW.
>>279761780
La-li-lu-le-lo pls go, David is the man
>>279761559
Does it matter? The top one.
>>279755606
>literally having no idea what you're talking about
Glad to see /v/ never changes
>>279755606
That isn't Portable Ops. Or Ground Zeros.
I don't know which is worse, a terrible cumpilation of useless references or a 40 dollar demo.
>>279761712
So, what was the problem? You didn't like it because it was easy but it probably took you like weeks to beat the game.
>>279761754
Casual.
>>279761781
How can you be saying that MGS: PW is different in all the wrong ways if you didn't even play the game to its ending?
>>279761990
>The only bad part of 4, gameplay-wise
How about the octocam? Drebin shop? Every B&B boss fight?
>>279762213
>Octocam
>Bad
>Drebin
>Bad
>B&B
>Bad outside of Raven
OK.
>>279762149
I did play to the end. Just not to the "real" end. Because I'm not fucking grinding to get it. That's straight up padding. It's bullshit. 20 hours was MORE than enough of PW for me, thank you.
The gameplay isn't fun.
And the story is shit.
>>279761979
That's the point the game arrives at in the conclusion. However, at this point of the story, I believe Snake was still thinking in some pretty concrete terms.
I think PW had a great story, but this scene is something of a sloppy point for me. I agree with you for what the scene is trying to do, but I think that it was not written well if this is the message he was trying to send.
>>279762149
Yeah, it took me a week and a half of repetitive bullshit to finish it. The only parts the I liked was the peace walker battle 2 because it was a tight fit, but that's about it. It had no smart stealth, the bosses where bullet sponges (they're not hard, just 30 mins battling an annoying singing A.I gets boring) etc.
>>279762014
Did you use non-lethal weapons against machines?
>>279762120
>40 dollar demo
>having no idea of what he's talking about
>being this ignorant
I cannot solve it.
>>279762571
>Did you use non-lethal weapons against machines?
I didn't want to be there for any longer than necessary. Of course I did.
I used every rocket launcher I had for all of them. But they weren't exactly top-tier because I was doing the rest of the game without lethal weapons and I wasn't grinding Extra Ops.
I was just aiming for a story finish and then I figured (if I had actually enjoyed it) I would do the extra stuff at the end.
>>279762420
>20 hours was MORE than enough of PW for me
>the gameplay isn't fun
>the story is hit
I used to think like you, but the game I thought those things about was GZ. I gave it a chance and played it to the deep. Now I love it just like I love any other MGS game.
MGS games have a magic anti-casuals shield. That's why.
If not for Act 3 MGS4 would be a literal 9/10 game
>>279762939
Fucking Eva I swear! Nobody wants you around you cringy dumb slut.
>>279762213
Octocam was good because it streamlined gameplay. You no longer had to pause the game to change camo. Sneaking was the same.
I had no complaints with the Drebin shop, I just wish the M4 custom wasn't so damn broken since it invalidated all the other shit Drebin had in stock. Get the scope, the silencer, and the shotgun attatchment on the M4 to silently headshot everything. At least in Peacewalker silenced sniper riffles required dozens of hours of grinding and lethal snipers still made guys scream to bring up an alert phase. The B&B corps were good fights, particularly laughing octopus. Drebin telling us their life story afterwards was a real drag though, I couldn't care less.
A legitimate complaint is the gimped radio. There was no Sunny frequency.
Metal Gear Solid is my favorite and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>279762542
>>279762742
I think the problem is you simply don't like Metal Gear. Before playing MGS: PW, I came from a long road of playing MGS games and when a got to that new world PW was I got excited as fuck. It got me till the end and beat it twice, once on PSP and once on PS3 with all the trophies just for fun.
>>279762829
>MGS games have a magic anti-casuals shield
What in the fuck
>forcing yourself to play a game you don't like until you like it
Sounds like self-inflicted Stockholm Syndrome.
I'll elaborate with the fact that I DID like Peace Walker at first. I thought the gameplay was an interesting departure from normal, and the whole "THE BOSS IS ALIVE?" had me wondering where the plot would go.
And as I progressed, I liked both gameplay and story less and less, eventually growing to loathe both. If I had only played 2 hours, my opinion of it would be better than I have now at 20.
>>279763086
You don't even know her backstory.
Please, worthless piece of casual, make yourself a favor and go play MGS3.
>>279763235
>I think the problem is you simply don't like Metal Gear
But I love MG1/2 and MGS1-4.
Those are great games.
PW is a very clear departure from what made those games great. And that's why I don't like it.
How the fuck does hating PW mean I don't like Metal Gear, when I loved the series enough to follow it through to PW? You're just talking out of your ass now.
>>279763235
What? I prefer 1 and 2 honestly, and I love mg because they're like timed puzzles, but PW had no real stealth sections. I think you're grasping at staws, anon. Just admit PW is the worst one in the series.
>>279763281
I never force myself to play games. Once I see the game I know if it's gonna be for me or not.
I played GZ for like 1 or 2 hours and then stopped because I thought it was shit.
A month later I felt like I should give it a try, and then I discovered what it really was.
>>279763357
Lol, I do know her shitty background. Being the traitor of big boss and then wanting to come back to suck his dick all day erryday because i wubed im.She's the fucking cringiest character in the series
>>279763631
>I never force myself to play games
This does not match up with
>I used to think like you, but the game I thought those things about was GZ. I gave it a chance and played it to the deep
You very clearly told yourself "I'm going to play this shitty game more" and somehow forced yourself into liking it.
>Once I see the game I know if it's gonna be for me or not.
This does not match up with
>I played GZ for like 1 or 2 hours and then stopped because I thought it was shit.
You thought "this game is bad"
And then later you changed your mind. Clearly you do not know if a game is going to be for you because you were wrong about GZ.
>>279763224
IT'S ME DEAR BROTHERRRRRR
>>279763547
I've played every MGS tittle deeply and none of them has dissapointed me. I've been totally critic every time I played a new one and at the end it was worth it. You need to know how to like 'em maybe. I guess it's just a lack of hype.
>>279763552
I can't admit it was a bad game since it was totally awesome to me. In fact, thanks to it we are getting our own modifiable "Mother Base" on MGS5: TPP. It was the start of something really big. Half MGS: PO half MGS: PW.
>>279762213
>Drebin shop?
What was the problem with the shop? I remember most weapons being cheap to buy and being able to enter codes to unlock some weapons. The bandana and stealth suit were the only items that required playing the game multiple times to get. It is still better than PW's system of unlocking blueprints and researching them.
Yeah, it's true. It just feels like a gimped metal gear solid game, which it is. But that isn't peace walkers fault. Poor psp
>>279764189
>You need to know how to like 'em maybe.
What in the unholy fuck are you ever TALKING ABOUT
What is "playing deeply?" Completing the game?
WHY would I complete a game I don't enjoy? Why would that make me enjoy it?
PW is the ONLY Metal Gear I don't like. The rest are great. I didn't even have to complete them to understand that I enjoyed them.
You are retarded.
>>279763942
Alright, since I can't make you feel what I feel and felt, it's hard to explain.
When I see a game and some info and gameplays about it, I know if it's gonna be for me because I feel terribly lazy about playing it. It never happened to me with GZ. It happened that I didn't like it because I thought it was some game Kojima made for the casuals. Once I felt like playing it again I came back for it, but never forced myself, I just saw it and thought, I feel like I want to play it again.
>>279764256
It was kind of lame that you had effectively infinite ammo for all but a few weapons.
>>279764189
How old are you? I'm hyped for the Customable MB, but PW would have been a whole lot better if they actually made it a stealth game and not some hand holding adventure game.
What about Metal Gear Acid?
>>279764256
Then again PW was more about central base mechanics but this was done poorly with only progress screens. I hope in MGSV Mother Base development is a huuuuuuge thing and that full customization and creativity of your army is present. Outfits, base color, etc.
Is Kojima bringing back the army versus army thing?
>>279764536
I really think he's an autist
>>279764536
I wish someday you feel the need to play PW so you can understand how good it was.
Playing deeply means completing each part of it, in order to play it deeply you need to like it.
If you don't enjoy the game I'm really sorry, but it's all up to your mind. Maybe if you try to see it from another perspective, "It's a Metal Gear game".
>I didn't even have to complete them to understand that I enjoyed them.
You mean you didn't play them till the 100%?
