Well /v/, which is better?do you secretly like both a lot, like me?
I miss the days when trolls put effort into trolling.
>>276540913
gr8 b8 m8
>>276540913
Both, personal taste niggaaaaaaaaaaaa.
>>276540913
Western, and I don't say that to be annoying.
I just can't get into JRPGs, but there is barely anything that can be related to as a human being.
And the world are always filled with so many original shit that in the end everything is so alien, I fail to care about any of it. There is no immersion, because everything is so chaotic. Things happen, but they may as well not be happening, wouldn't make a difference, the world would still be this unexplained mess with no foundation or knowledgeable cause as to why shit it is this way.
Of course, I generalize. Some JRPGs would probably fit my stability and coherence criterias, but there are way more WRPGs that do. Also, western stuff just looks better imo, more brown, more green, more gray, more earth colors. But that's probably my westerner subconscious.
Same shit happen with japanese horror movies and animes. They suck so bad, because all they do is throw weirdness at you, and say "LOOK, IT'S CREEPY AS FUCK", but there are no cause behind the events, it's like this because why the fuck not.
In fact, from these media, one could say that japanese productions focus more on the esthetics rather than the, how could I say.. inner working of it.
J-Horrors movies are just paranormal phenomenons thrown at you one after the other, in a random other, scaring you everytime. But it fails to carry you along an horror story you could feel immersed in, or relate to.
this will inevitably come to posting anime reaction images
Japan does have a tendency to be more creative, but that's not always a good thing. And being creative doesn't mean being good or well written.
I like JRPGs with player created characters, so rare. I don't understand why people say they're self inserts, they're whatever, and however you play them.
>>276540913
JPRGs. Haven't been a lot of good ones lately. Xenoblade was fucking excellent though. Xeno X should be good. Honestly not hyped for XV, XIII was garbage.
WRPGs can be cool sometimes but a lot of them are feeling bland and samey nowadays.
JRPGs are getting worse overall but WRPGs have been nosediving. Hope both genres get good games in the future.
It's all preference anyway.
>>276540913
it depends
I love FF10, FF7, Grandia II, Tactic Ogre, Xenosage, Xenoblade, Xenoblade Chronicles, Phantasy Star Online and Star Ocean Till the Ends of Time
problem is Japan does not make amazing rpgs like this anymore
i love KOTOR 1,2, Fallout, Oblivion, Dragon Agre Origins(2 and 3 suck)
western rpg are also sucking today
so in summary RPGs wheather from the east or west SUCK ASS today
>>276543564
yes
I watch anime but I can't play JRPGs because of the shit gameplay. It's essentially Einstein's definition of insanity.
whynotboth.jpg
>>276543458
>>276543208
Creativity, yeah.
You can see it in asian philosophies too VS western philosophies.
In asia you have philosophies about contemplation, being one with the world, the "now", unity of everything that is material.
One can see how a culture descending from these thoughts patterns could appreciate media where one big feature is looking at original visual creations that goes beyond the representation of daily real life.
In the west, you have philosophies about ethics, about what is wrong and what is right to do, about how the world is working. It's a very action-oriented thought pattern, which is also true for our founding religions, judaism and christianism, which are very action-oriented. You have to DO well in this life to succeed, you are performing something, rather than just being a contemplative part of it like in Asia.
Therefore, our media are based in a stronger reality, because they require us to feel involved, to judge it and think what we would have done in a similar situation.
Does anyone have that long as fuck essay condemning JRPGs that was being posted here about a month or so ago? It wasn't just modern titles it spanned a whole history starting with Dragon Quest I
>I've always been into Western RPGs, and that's what we make. I've never been into Japanese RPGs because I want to roam, and traditionally they don't let you do that. I find that in Japanese art, and science fiction and fantasy, that it's super fantastical. In Western stuff, it tries to get more realistic, as much as it can for what it is. So like, we'll approach it like- this is fantasy with elves, and swords, and dragons, but it has to feel real, like this could happen, or did happen, even with Mass Effect and the way it approaches science fiction. But when you see the Japanese ones, it's crazy on another level...like that looks cool, but that's nuts, it's really high fantasy, it's really crazy science fiction...and then the earth eats itself...and then why are there nukes, and...I have trouble with my father and mother. I don't get into that stuff, I think because I can't wrap my hands around it, so it doesn't suspend my disbelief in the way like- sort of like Red Dead, where immediately you think this is all real, I'm here, I'm doing this, and these are real places in the West even though they're made up.
>>276540913
I love both, and both have some utter shit game for them, especially in the past few years
Im looking at you Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and FF13
All of which were trilogies somehow
WRPGs haven't been good in years. Currently going through a SJW slump caused by Bioware. No good CRPGs remain, shit like Fallout has become an FPS series.
JRPGs recently came through a horrible half decade, but now they're on the rise with shit like Dragon's Dogma, Souls series, Type-0, Persona 5, XV, etc.
>>276544190
Amen
>>276544289
>games that haven't even come out
>>276544190
>>276544314
>m-muh realism
Seriously?
>>276544451
Only Persona 5 and XV aren't out yet.
>>276544190
but that is not all the time
I was able to enjoy FF10 and Xenoblade Chronicles along with Tactics Ogre even though I prefer to play WRPG over japs stuff any day
also WRPG have gone to the shit a few years ago with sjw
>>276544470
I'd say it's more about immersion than realism.
But realism certainly helps in immersion.
>>276544470
People with lower IQ's have issues suspending disbelief for shit that is really out there
>>276544610
Well I have no problem immersing myself in JRPGs, so I'm not understanding the issue.
> it's really crazy science fiction...and then the earth eats itself...and then why are there nukes, and...I have trouble with my father and mother.
This sounds more like a stereotype and an exaggeration than anything that actually happens in a game. I can't say he has much experience in JRPGs.Also considering he's pictured with that piece of shit Skyrim and cites Mass Effect as something good, I'm not willing to assume his taste is any good.
>>276543208
>he never watched the ring
Kill yourself
hey now, there are some pretty great western RPGs, like Demon's Souls and Dragon's Dogma.
There are western RPGs? I thought they only made shooters in the west.
>>276544820
I don't understand how you could really be immersed either.
Maybe it has to do with being an auditive or a visual person.
I'm a visual and the artstyle is usually enough to turn me off. It never feels like I'm there, but always like I am watching something.
even if we go by that template
not all Western games are total shit.
same goes to weeb games, not all of them are good
but anyone who released a weeb game without jap voice deserved a special place in hell.
I typically prefer JRPGs as a genre, because open-world WRPGs begin to feel the same after a while.
It's like... Yeah, Skyrim was fantastic, but all the plotlines are shallow and not really interconnected. Once I become the defacto leader of the Dark Brotherhood, that's it. It's done and finished with. Future main plot points in the game will not involve any of my current followers in the slightest.
Not only that, but while these plotlines can seem full and interesting, it gets quite silly when I'm the Werewolf Dovahkin who is also the leader of the Dark Brotherhood, the College of Winterhold, and the Thieves Guild.
It robs the quests of a lot of their weight. Also, a lot of WRPGs lack unique characters, which is a big problem. Stuff like Skyrim and Mass Effect generally relies on slider-generated models rather than uniquely crafted NPCs, which makes everyone look rather samey.
WRPGs generally sacrifice character depth for breadth of experience, and I can't say I'm a fan.
>>276544873
I did and it sucked.
>>276545061
Well Persona 4 is the most immersive experience I've had with a video game;_;and that's, at least partially, grounded in reality I guess.
I can't stand the turn based combat in most JRPGS. I can sit through shit like the original Xcom, Aurora 4x, and heck, even Pokemon.
I'm not sure what it is.
>>276543208
>And the world are always filled with so many original shit that in the end everything is so alien, I fail to care about any of it. There is no immersion, because everything is so chaotic. Things happen, but they may as well not be happening, wouldn't make a difference, the world would still be this unexplained mess with no foundation or knowledgeable cause as to why shit it is this way.
Sounds like a perfect description of FFXIII. That's the only JRPG I have played that really fits that description.
I got motion sickness so I cant play wrpg
>>276545304
>you don't make any choices
That applies to modern WRPGs too.
>>276544562
And let's face it. Atlus knows how to make a Persona game, and unlike Square-Enix they're not in the habit of fucking with the core formula for a series unless they directly call it a spinoff.
Persona 5 is going to be a Persona 3/4-style game in HD, which I think most Persona fans will be perfectly fine with.
>>276545334
FFXIII was hated by pretty much everyone though.
>>276545250
>It robs the quests of a lot of their weight. Also, a lot of WRPGs lack unique characters, which is a big problem. Stuff like Skyrim and Mass Effect generally relies on slider-generated models rather than uniquely crafted NPCs, which makes everyone look rather samey.
Except that's not true at all. Mass Effect has a lot of good characters, as do games like Skyrim and other WRPGs. Don't talk shit about games you never played.
>>276545492
Yes, I know.
>>276540913
Well /v/, which is better?do you secretly like both a lot, like me?
>>276545304
I disagree. I feel more for Maxim in Lufia II than my Createacharacter in most instances.
Choices are cool, but ONLY if they are done right.
>>276545613
grumpy cat
The owner is millionaire now
>>276540913
There is just nothing appealing in japanese games, to me. It's not that I hate Japan or Japanese people or anything, there' just absolutely -nothing- compelling about it whatsoever. It's the same with anime. I can't even begin to get into it at all.
>>276545330
JPRGs usually start super slow on combat. Sometimes you gotta take a chance.
>JPRG
>Gameplay
>Tactical and involving
That's a good one.
>>276540913
Is there a western cherry picked image like that?
>>276545792
who even plays jrpgs for the gameplay
>>276545806
>>276545806
>>276545792
Tactics games.
>tactical and involving
>jrpgs
Pick one.
>>276545572
Like that one guy who gave you that one quest to find that thing in the draugr filled cave? Memorable times.
>>276546015
I pick jrpgs
>>276545901
I dont remember the last time I played a jrpg that didnt have an anime tier plot (99,9% of all anime have utter and total shit tier story with nothing to offer). Not even going to pretend that most wrpg have a good story but fuck at least they try to some degree.
>>276545983
>>276545973
No I meant of the exact same image up top.
>>276545572
I've certainly played Skyrim and Mass Effect. While Astrid and the rest of the members in the Dark Brotherhood questline are interesting, they're generated from generic models and the story does literally nothing with the survivors once you push through the core bits.
Hell, the marriage system in Skyrim is an awkward joke, as bad as the one in Fable II.
Also note I said NPCs, dumbfuck. Outside of party members, main antagonists, and one or two other important characters this is very much true for Mass Effect.
If you put fifty important NPCs side by side anyone but the most hardcore Mass Effect fan would have serious trouble remembering who was who, or even whether or not they're an ally, third party, or temporary antagonist.
>>276546134
What was the last jrpg you played?
>>276546219
Probably one of the newer final fantasy games
>>276546134
There's some legit good ones though.
FFT has some neat shit, and Suikoden II was nice.
>>276545983
>>276546135
Well that would be easy. For JRPGs you could blame all the frivolous and futile accessories they carry on their outfit, which in some case could hinder their survival. Also their edgy/emo/over-excited smug in some situations.
Then you would say that turn-based and tactical gameplay isn't intuitive, doesn't grasp the excitement of real action.
And for the future you'd say that despite decades of games, they are still lost in their unrelatable fantasies that completly ignore physics of our world and lose all taste in doing so.
>>276546332
All the newer FF games suck. You can't judge all jrpgs if you've only played the shittiest ones.
>>276546020
>Like that one guy who gave you that one quest to find that thing in the draugr filled cave? Memorable times.
Of course, it has no memorable characters at all, like Ulfric, or any of the Daedric Gods.
>>276546212
>>Also note I said NPCs, dumbfuck. Outside of party members, main antagonists, and one or two other important characters this is very much true for Mass Effect.
Garus, Wrex, Ashley, Morden, Tali, Liara, should I continue or do you have the point? Because I can continue, the characters were the best thing the game had going for it other than the lore in one.
And any lover of JRPGs can not say anything about fucking sameface generic character models.
I'm never going to see an unbiased version of these, am I?
>>276545973
>and they all look like this
Hard to argue there.
I like dem grindan games.
>>276546558
Garrus (Party Member), Wrex (Party Member), Ashley (Party Member), Mordin (Party Member), etc, etc.
Are you fucking retarded, btw? You misspelled two names from a series you're defending.
>>276546537
I just wanted to match both the cherry picking ones with each other. So you have western cherry pick/jap cherry pick vs western shitpost/jap shitpost to create a total nonbias.
>>276546609
I'm trying but nobody's cooperating. Maybe if /v/ wasn't such shit.
>>276546635
There used to be exceptions, dunno what happened.
>no cool dudes like Sigurd anymore
Fucking dumb.
I prefer JRPGs because there is more experimentation and variety in JRPGs. And some of my favorite games are JRPGs. But there are also good WRPGs.
>>276546609
>I'm never going to see an unbiased version of these, am I?
Image related is when someone tries to be unbias. I'm sure you'll still find a way to argue against it.
>>276546609
Reading serious replies from both sides will give you an idea. None is really better than the other, it's just different genres with different goals, that portray different themes and different dilemmas.
But WRPG is better.
>>276546747
There's nothing to cherry pick in wrpgs.
But there's plenty of shitpost ones in both.
>>276544190
Have you ever seen a face more punchable?
>>276546503
The art direction in DA2 in general is just atrocious.
>>276545792
All these people shitting on JRPGs because they played the worst series.
Try some fuckin' Tales of Vesperia, and you're NEVER going back to your games.
I'm still not all that convinced set characters are better than player created ones, I'd rather play as my own Arisen, Chosen Undead, or Grey Warden than play some character like Tidus, Yu Narukami or Geralt. They just break my immersion when they speak, or act differently than how I'm playing them.
>>276546912
Yeah, plenty.
>>276546990
There's advantages to both, depends on how game executes it.
>>276540913
>shitposting with my waifu
pls stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g46s4DQhT9U
>>276546635
>Hard to argue there.
Not really. its only hard if the only JRPG you know is Final Fantasy.
As much as people love to mock Akira Toriyama, he does have toned down designs that are rooted more in traditional western CRPGs than effeminate JRPGs. And there's plenty of other JRPG series that buck the Nomura trend as well.
Saying all JRPGs have a typical look is like saying all WRPGs star a muscle bound neckbeard. Just because a few Bioware games do.
But fuck logic. We're here to troll!
>>276544695
The opposite is actually the case. More intelligent people have trouble suspending disbelief then less intelligent people.
>>276545692
>you're retarded pet will never make you tons of dosh
>>276546847
Nope. It's agreeable.
Show me four non-generic WRPG protagonists. Seriously, I want to know if there actually are any.
>>276547178
Goddamn Eight (there isn't an official name) is one adventurous looking mother fucker.
>>276547178
>that are rooted more in traditional western CRPGs than effeminate JRPGs
Well, it seems 90s Japan wasn't still drowning in this effiminate teenager trend there is today.
Very old JRPGs tend to be closer to old CRPGs, both in their mechanics and artstyles.
iirc, FF1 is borderline tolkien fantasy. The first Dragon Quest too is close to the west too.
They are stuck with emo teens, and we're stuck with SJWs.
RPG is ruined.
>>276546990
I sort of get that, but it comes back to the depth vs breadth thing I mentioned up above.
A typically WRPG can allow you to roam and tackle things however you like, which is great. But because it's allowing you to tackle anything and explore everything, they can't make huge, elaborate plots about the characters you decide to care about.
That was actually what caused me to finally drop Skyrim, truth be told: I had far more interest in developing the Dark Brotherhood than being the stupid Dovahkin and fighting dragons, which was not the game offered to me. It pretended to, and let me explore the thought a little bit, but in the end it was a little side show.
Compare that to a JRPG, where typically you only get a set main character and a core group of supporting characters. Because the writer knows how the characters will act without input from the player, they can focus on pushing deep content.
They don't have to focus on telling a story with any characters the player might have on hand, they can guarantee that Characters X, Y, and Z will be in the party. Rather than telling the story of a single, depthless main character, the writer can focus on a core group of people and the drama therein.
Writers in a JRPG-style game can offer deeper plots, because they don't have to worry about the player fucking off to another town and ignoring everything else. That other town ain't got shit to do but buy some swords.
This was for me the best wrpg moment
Obvious spoiler alerthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc6eDFobJXg
In retrospect it was kind of predictable but it was really powerful.
>>276547248
That this middle of the bell curve m8
When you have a low IQ you don't care and just want shit to poor into your brain
When you are at the middle of the bell curve you are asking why does it work
When you are on the high end of the bell curve you are making up your own reasons on why it would work, given the tool the world has presented itself with and try to figure out its rules
Also
>implying that study isn't bullshit
intelligent individuals understand that TV is an art form and that you are supposed to suspend your disbelief to enjoy it, it's art 101 m8
>>276547484
Dragon Quest VIII (the one in the image) came out in 2004. At the height of the phase when Japan was jumping on JPOP effeminate boys. And Dragon Quest is still going strong with more toned down designs (except maybe in DQ Monsters Joker).
The point is, there's many different styles. Not just one overused style. Heck, people still refuse to believe Demon/Dark Souls is made in Japan, because of how 'western' looking it is. And the hero of Valkyria Chronicles is downright average compared to most. A very refreshing take on the male main character in a genre full of extremes.
>>276546552
>All the newer FF games suck.
Type-0 and Theatrhythm exist.
>>276547420
It all depends on what you consider generic.
Most of the time, the typical WRPG protagonist will be a stoical male, borderline stupid at times as he is fighting with terrible odds against him, but he doesn't care, he march forward and do everything he can to make things right.
Now with modern RPGs, which I haven't played much, it seems a tiny bit different, where RPGs are now about our modern issues like equality as well as bravery and heroism like they always were before.
If you consider this generic, then yeah, it'll be hard to find anything else.
>>276547954
Just show me four non-generic protagonists.
>>276540913
>japs always trying to insert a really deep backstory and/or meaning into everything
I just want to play a fucking game man
>>276546635
Could say the same about western characters.
>all these people shitting on JRPGs ITT
Who let Reddit in?
>>276547462
He's my favorite design for a male lead along with Dragon Quest V (Enix) and Tir from Suikoden I.
>>276548167
>IM@S WILL NEVER GET A WESTERN RELEASE
I love JRPG's but that's the most blatant cherry picked bait I've ever seen. Please put some effort in I didn't even feel a mild rustle.
>>276547420
Since most WRPGs allow you to customize your protagonist, that's pretty much every single one.
However, realistically speaking, they're all advertised with a white guy in armor on the front, typically speaking.
>>276548149
>every western character is unshaven
>people in American sports are on a huge beard phase
>all the idiots in media are growing out their facial hair but not in a clean way
>every attention whore online is sporting the disheveled look
Its like we're back in 1975. This is actually the most disgusting thing I can say my country is doing.
>>276548174
Tir's a fucking great looking protagonist. Neat weapon. RD Ike looks great too.
>>276548079
Avatar, Ultima
The guy in Gothic
The guy in Risen, a little more personality than the guy in Gothic
Garrett, Thief serie.
>>276547714
That just doesn't appeal to me though, you as the player are being told a story whereas with a player generated character you're experiencing the story. There's less disconnect between you and the character if your character cannot act without your input, sure the story may have depth and complexity but they can also become convoluted. Like DQ9, the story was simple but touching, moving.
>>276548149
Strangely, this doesn't annoy me on the same level.
>>276544190
this is pretty much why I like JRPGs more than western
>>276548167
Are you new? People have been shitting on JRPGs more than WRPGs since 2007. When this place went from being a 'Japanese' board to 'hate what's popular' board.
>>276544190
> I've never been into Japanese RPGs because I want to roam, and traditionally they don't let you do that.
>and traditionally they don't let you do that.
>traditionally
Stopped reading right there. The fucking game that established JRPGs focused on free roaming. More than TES series does.
>>276548769
JRPGs aren't popular though. It's more shit on anything that's different than what I'm used to.
I like both, but modern JRPG's are too weab for my tastes and pretty dogshit.
Last great JRPG I played was Lost Odyssey. Xenoblade was good but had a really shitty battle system. DeS and DaS if you count those as JRPGs.
I miss the non weab stuff from the 90's. Fucking FF4, 5, 6, 7, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, Legend of Dragoon, Suikoden, DQ5, Dragon Warrior Monsters, Earthbound. That was my shit right there.
I just dunno lads, I see no appeal in playing as a 12 year old school girl with an ear piercing accent.
>>276548885
You should have read it all, you would then understand what he means.
>>276548983
>but modern JRPG's are too weab for my tastes
Games made in Japan are designed for a Japanese audience? Oh my god what a fucking shocker!
>>276547178
>its only hard if the only JRPG you know is Final Fantasy.
But that's wrong considering FF protags are generally all vastly different, and even have completely different artstyles.
>>276549109
I got no beef with that, it doesn't annoy me that people out there enjoy that style. But it does nothing for me personally and I just don't see it appealing.
Why're you so defensive bro?
>>276549307
>>276548983
Its what makes me so uninterested in SMT/Persona games
>>276548918
Final Fantasy was a system seller for 2 gens. And as this thread proves, the vast majority of people think all JRPGs = Final Fantasy. Hell, even this fag >>276544190 thinks all JRPGs are Final Fantasy.
The other issue with JRPGs is, only a handful of series get mass marketing outside Japan. Namely Pokemon and Final Fantasy. So of course JRPGs as a whole don't seem popular. Its like trying to compare an anime to a heavily advertised Pixar movie.
>>276549393
Dudebro pls
>>276549149
>But that's wrong considering FF protags are generally all vastly different
....this is wrong on so many levels. Wrong when comparing design, character archetypes and practically everything else.
>>276545973
>>276548705
While I sort of see where you're coming from, I tend to look at it from the opposite end. Because the main character in many WRPGs tends to have to be flat and mutable, it robs the stories of their gravitas for me.
When, say, Lydia dies alongside me in Skyrim, I don't really care. Sure it's sad I'm losing a friend and companion, but here basic roles as a whole were "Here's someone to follow you around," and that's about the extent of it.
For all her popularity, she's got no defining characteristics, outside of maybe hating dogs. That's all I remember of her. It's the same with a lot of WRPG side characters, for me. I honestly couldn't tell you much about any of followers in Skyrim.
WIthout the depth to the character, I lose focus. Sure, it's nice that I can do anything, but when the end result is that I'm meeting people who are functionally the same, in a town which looks different, but for which most of questlines can be resolved fairly simply and straight-forward, it limits my engagement with the story as a whole.
WRPGs tend to focus on the world and the main character, with other NPCs acting as filler. JRPGs tend to focus on the party as a whole, first and foremost, which lends them more personality and weight.
I care a lot more when a JRPG kills off a character than when a WRPG kills off one, which tells me the JRPG is doing things right for me.
>>276549393
Persona is in a weird spot for me. I usually hate that shit with Japanese school students, but I really enjoyed Persona 4's story and characters.
I hate the whole relationship tripe though, but that goes for Western games too.
7th gen handheld jrpgs were pretty damn good, too bad 3DS/Vita can't match. Mostly just Atlus, SE, and then a bunch of forgettable shit like conception and mind/zero.
>>276549560
>>276549560
>cherry picks Cloud/Lightnight
Kek nice try, I think you might be blind. And this is even a bad example as they're all done in the same artstyle, were as their actual games have completely different artstyles.
>>276549790
Nice counter argument.
>>276548983
There have always been cute jrpgs, they just get localized more now.
>>276549853
>>276544190
>I don't get symbolism that shit's hella gay mang people issues are like just so dumb games should be about freedom and realism only
>>276550042
>>276549654
I just don't care about NPCs period regardless of West or East, I'm not playing a NPC, the story isn't about a NPC
>>276549828
Lightning was literally developed as a 'female version of Cloud'. And despite your fanboy level of defense, the vast majority of FF main characters have the same archetype. The loner who tries to hide from his role in life. Constantly questioning their existence and seeking a way to escape. Until the interference of others makes him/her 'wake up and fight'.
This has been going on since fucking Final Fantasy IV with Cecil. With only a few exceptions (namely FFV and XII).
>>276549920
Yeah I get that, but back then the cute JRPGs were the niche were as the, how would you put it (edgier? more 'mature'?) JRPG's were the bulk.
Now it's swapped places. I'm cool with that, people who like that stuff must have a blast, but for me personally it's pretty shitty.
>>276550010
>if I keep posting reaction images, he'll stop responding
In before 50 posts of meaningless counter posts until the thread dies.
>>276549519
Modern Japan just isn't that interesting as a video game setting.
>>276550218
XII still can't decide on who is the hero, because its clearly not Vaan.
I don't know what it is about WRPGs, but they are just unappealing to me. From the characters to the settings to the themes, it's just unappealing. I'll probably enjoy 1 in every 10 WRPGs I play.
>>276549560
>Implying that picture is even an accurate representation of Cloud
Cloud is a goddamn action hero, he's a shitton more like Chrono or a teenage Vash the Stampede than the fucking emo cakeboy every teenage girl wants him to be
Lightning is more like a shitty imitation of Squall than anyone else
>>276550259
>>276550389
WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS IN THE CAR?
>>276545973
>while making huge decisions the will change the whole trilogy's story
Well that never happened
Bioshock also isn't a RPG m8
>>276550467
>XII still can't decide on who is the hero, because its clearly not Vaan.
Though if we claim Ashe is the main character, then she also fits the typical FF lead stereotype.
>>276550467
Only P3/4 are straight up normal Japan. Other games go post-apoc or have other settings like Soul Hacker's 90s tech town, SJ in antarctica, or DDS in its own world.
>>276550532
>Cloud is a goddamn action hero
>most important scenes have him braindead in a wheelchair, getting multiple mind melds from Jenova, questioning his existence in the fetal position while talking to Tifa about his childhood or crying over Aeris' death
HAHAHA! Oh god. I needed a good laugh....
>>276550514
I can get alittle interested in most WRPGs, but with JRPGs it can be so hit or miss. Like when I played Vandal Hearts or Galerians, holy shit I couldn't drop those fast enough
>>276550639
>not knowing what the plot is yet
A prince and his entourage were on a road trip when his kingdom got invaded so now they are on the run
I actually like the plot so far from what we know from trailers, it actually makes sense unlike some other FF game I can think offuck you lighting
>>276549583
>>276545973
What games are these describing?
>>276550956
How does any of that counteract what I said, Anon?
>no one understands that role playing is telling a story through gameplay
>they think it's a bunch of dialogue choices
>or they think it's playing a predefined character like JRPGs
>IT HAZ STATS ITS RPG
Welp.
>>276550775
Most people would say Basch is actually the main character, though I'm inclined to say its Ashe.
>>276549560
Lightning = Cloud.
This was confirmed since before the game was out.
However, Cloud =/= Squall =/= Zidane =/= Cecil =/= Bartz.
They're all really different from one another in their characters, even though most of them use swords (like the majority of protagonists do).
>>276550218
>Lightning was literally developed as a 'female version of Cloud'
And you stated all the FF characters looked the same. I'm just calling you out for cherry picking Cloud and Lightning, and everyone knows that tramp was a rip off of Cloud.
You're using 2 protags out of a series with 13+ (not even counting the Tactics games here) that were purposely and retardly made to look the same to base your 'facts' off.
>And despite your fanboy level of defense
Mate I'm just putting you straight here, you literally were cherry picking.
>the vast majority of FF main characters have the same archetype.
This is the JRPG genre as a whole, it's cliche'd archetypes: the genre.
>The loner who tries to hide from his role in life. Constantly questioning their existence and seeking a way to escape
Alight now you're just showing you haven't actually played much of the series.
FF1: non character really.
FF2: haven't played so can't judge.
FF3: happy go lucky kids on an adventure.
FF4: dark knight who goes on a path to become a paladin of the light and right his wrongs and protect everyone around him.
FF5: happy go lucky dudebro who's surrounded by bitches and doesn't take any shit while being a joyous motherfucker.
FF6: doesn't really have a main character, but if you're going off Terra then it's pretty close to your diagnosis.
FF7: Hardass motherfucker that doesn't take shit, then turns depressed for literally 30 in game minutes and then becomes a happy motherfucker on a mission to wreck some ass, protect his bros and commence the mosey.
FF8: close to your diagnosis, but more of a general asshole who just doesn't wan't to be fucking annoyed.
FF9: pretty close to Bartz, happy guy who likes lots of ass.
FF10: autism.
FF12: cancer.
FF13: aids.
>>276551078
> it actually makes sense unlike some other FF game I can think of
You mean all of them? And trust me, FFXV will have the typical 'plot twist' that makes the first half the game totally irrlevant. FFXV will be no exception to the typical FF formula. Especially with Nomura 'Endless Kingdom Hearts' Tetsuya in the lead. It'll probably also have two open ended sequels just like FFXIII did.
>>276546912
i think this wins forever
>>276551124
>West favorable from left to right
Fallout 3
No idea
Mass Effect series
Bioshock
Knights of the Old republic?
>east favorable left to right
Chrono Trigger
Xenogears
Not sure
Persona
>>276551464
Nah this faggot right here has the most punchable face
>>276551320
If it's good, then I hope it gets sequels.
>>276551124
JRPGs are Chrono Trigger, Xenoblade, Suikoden II, and Persona 4. Haven't played P4, but the others are great.
Try them out. Although play Suikoden I before II, there's save transferring.
And use the Euro ROMs.
>>276551521
my opinion is objective more right than yours, fuck you:^)
>>276551312
>commence the mosey
Heh
>>276551603
>>276551465
Thanks friends.
>>276551521
fuck you jon is a treasure
>>276540913
That fucking image makes me cringe every time I see it. They post an image of Shuyin and describe him as Tidus, why don't the people who make these pictures actually play the games first?
>>276551751
I want reddit to leave
>>276551312
>FF4: dark knight who goes on a path to become a paladin of the light and right his wrongs and protect everyone around him.
And ends up being so indecisive that he sits there and watches 3/4 his team die. Protecting his life so he can 'go on and fight'. Not to mention being the poster child for loner.
>FF5: happy go lucky dudebro who's surrounded by bitches and doesn't take any shit while being a joyous motherfucker.
I already said FFV was an exception.
>FF6: doesn't really have a main character, but if you're going off Terra then it's pretty close to your diagnosis.
Exactly. I personally think Celes is the main character, but Square just keeps insisting it is Terra. A girl who's not even in half the game because of her inaction. And full on runs away from her role, literally.
>FF7: Hardass motherfucker that doesn't take shit, then turns depressed for literally 30 in game minutes and then becomes a happy motherfucker on a mission to wreck some ass, protect his bros and commence the mosey.
Now who hasn't played the FF games? Your description covers thefirst 5 hours of the first disk, completely ignoring all the stuff I mentioned in my previous post. You know...the actual important parts of the story. Since Midgar is pretty much made irrelevant as soon as they leave.
>FF8: close to your diagnosis, but more of a general asshole who just doesn't wan't to be fucking annoyed.
So...why are we arguing if its close to my example?
>FF9: pretty close to Bartz, happy guy who likes lots of ass.
Then halfway through the game he becomes just like Squall and Cloud.
>FF10: autism.
This one is kind of off my example. He's indecisive, but not really a loner. So yeah, there's a third character that's not typical.
>FF12: cancer.
Already said Vaan is an exception.
>FF13: aids.
She still counts.
>>276544190
Oh, Todd Howard. I want to hold your arms back, turn you around andslam you into a locker and give you a wedgie, then take your lunch money.
>>276551320
I don't care where the series goes, I am already on board for the crazy plot twists.
Its when a game starts off with no plot and continues like than for the first few hours that it gets on my nerves.
Then you make the quest main a order from the gods?
nope Im good
>>276551751
You have to be 18 to post here
>liking fat pewdiepie
>>276550956
>>most important scenes have him braindead in a wheelchair, getting multiple mind melds from Jenova, questioning his existence in the fetal position while talking to Tifa about his childhood or crying over Aeris' death
You realise the wheelchair segment lasted literally 30 minutes? After that was a normal happy guy who made his peace with his loss and moved on, not mopey in the slightest.
I swear you niggas need to reply that game, the characters were nothing like the piece of shit that is Advent Children. Cloud was closer to Bartz than he was Squall.
>>276540913
>picture shows ME3
>says something about music in these games being shit
>calling Clint Mansell shit
stopped right there
>>276540913
Typically I don't like either, but ultimately I prefer western RPGs, as they at least TRY to be like RPGs. JRPGs are straight up fucking turn-based strategy games and their art direction is usually awful.
>>276551978
I'm still not convinced Luna isn't a completely useless.
>>276551932
>You realise the wheelchair segment lasted literally 30 minutes?
The duration means little. Its one of the most important parts of the game. The Orphenage scene in FFVIII is less than 30 minutes as well. But that doesn't stop people from using it as a reason for why all of FFVIII sucks.
The wheelchair stuff is one of the most important parts of the game. Because it develops both the story AND both Tifa and Cloud's characters. Sounds more like you're just choosing to ignore it because of how rediculous it is. And it breaks your image of the 'let's mosey' Cloud in a dress.
>>276552169
But Luna is useless. That's why we love her.
>>276540913
Jrpgs and Wrpgs at their peaks used to be equal if anything Wrpgs might've been slightly overall better. Now Jrpgs even in their shit state with few great titles still kick the living shit out of Wrpgs the most casual fucking genre that makes popcap games look like Quake.
>>276540913
I love both. Though Persona 4 Golden is my favourite game.
And the person who did that image is a faggot. Geralt is essentially a realist moralfag who's torn between past loyalties that understand that the world doesn't suck his dick because he's the main character.
>>276551789
That's Tidus artwork from Dissidia.
>there will never be another Ogre Battlle game
Only the Japs know how to make a good tactical RPG (although Disgaea to be absolutely insufferable)
>>276540913
Just picked up pic related. Depends on where you look for your RPGs. Both sides have good stuff.
>>276552169
Didn't one of the old teasers show her about to fight Noctis?
>>276544190
>roam
ffvii has it, pretty sure many of the other ff also has world roaming capabilities
>elf, sword, dragon
generic tolken myth #1023839020232-3
>muh realism
>complain about scifi-fantasy being too fantastical
kek and you call asians non-creative.
worse than shit, literally
>>276552736
Why are you making witty comebacks at a quote?
>>276540913
>JRPG characters are basically all the same(Just like WRPG characters)
>"unique"
heh
>>276552896
epic
>>276548726
Probably because the brown haired, white guy stereotype is based on the most generic real life everyman look possible, while JRPG bishi characters are a unrealistic contrivance with personalities and looks that aren't normal or accepted in society.
>>276545613
>implying this is up for debate
ill fite u
My complants wirh wrpg is same time ere done over and over again. I want a knight that has to fight a space dragon or Morden day army meets middle ages
>>276552860
muh dick
>>276553190
My take on it is that, while generic, the western characters don't look like annoying fags.
>>276546503
Why would an undead care if it's cold?
man you can tell the op a baby never played golden age of western rpgs like wizardry 8, baldurs gate 2, fallout tactics and the like.
I don't like jrpg because it seems Japan is full of autists that don't understand life. Characters are always stressing over the dumbest crap,usually romantic.
>>276553190
>>276554041
My take is, 90% of all media is generic and bad. And you guys are just focusing on the 90% that is generic while overlooking the good 10%.
>>276540913
Tidus doesn't look like a faggot in 2D
>>276554386
Play Fire Emblem 4. The protagonist rarely stresses and even when he does it's about serious shit.
>>276554386
You need to learn about silent protagonists. The entire point of them is the other characters do all the freaking out and obsessing over situations. While the silent protagonist is in a perpetual state of 'coolness'.
But even outside of silent protags, there's plenty of JRPGs that have realistic heroes who react to situations appropriately. Even in fantasy games.
