Is Smash a fighting game?
In the same way that Mario Kart is a racing game, yeah.
>>270548689
>has platforming elements
>has party game elements
>has fighting game elements
>introduced a KO system that was never done prior to its first game
Smash is Smash and y'all niggas need to stop obsessing about shoving it into a single genre.
>>270548689
>>270548821
Melee and 64 were. Afterwards, no.
>>270549148
>introduced a KO system that was never done prior to its first game
ringouts have existed for a long time. The %/knockbackback thing is new though. It's a sumo style platform fighting game.
>ban half the stages and all the items
>pretend you're playing the "real" game
>>270548689
Two or more people beating up each other. How is it not?
>>270549541
This.
>>270549541
I play on every stage, if someone doesn't play on certain stages it's still a fucking fighting game.
>>270549541
Or they're just playing it the way they, a big group of nerds who are willing to throw down lots of money, want to play it.
Old CS tournaments used to ban all cs_ maps for fuck's sake.
>>270549541
>>270549630
were you two only born into the age of balance patches and such?
that's how it used to be in older times. gentlemen agreements, "official" bans/rules, these things have always fucking existed.
what's more, items are entirely optional, it's not a crime to choose to play without them just like it's not a crime to select capture the flag over death match or whatever in an FPS.
Considering how people can make anything competitive, I still don't get what's wrong with the idea of Smash being competitive. The game has fair depth for a "party game".
![polls_attention_3341_376184_answer_3_xlarge[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O4sIBtO.jpg "polls_attention_3341_376184_answer_3_xlarge[1].jpg")
It doesn't matter.
>>270549541
in 90% of fighting games every stage is just a flat expanse of ground with a different background
Smash is not a SF2 clone.
Tekken is not an SF2 clone.
Both arefighting games.
Opp, yeah you know me
Is there any reason to use any other muhnahdough arts besides Buster or Smash? I guess Jump art when you get knocked but git gud and don't git knocked
>>270549927
And everyone plays on the fucking training stage anyway.
I like how Nintendo makes their own version of racing, fighting, strategy and now shooting games.
3DS/Wii-U > Project M = Melee >>>> Brawl
Prove me wrong
316 posts of bitching about tourneyfags
>>270550254
If 3DS/Wii-U had ground-to-air momentum, I'd agree. But they don't so nah, nigga.
>>270550254
You just say that to justify your purchase and all the years you invested in hype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9WxM8L750c
>>270549364
>>270548689
It's a sumowrestling game.
Now is it competitive?Of course it is. To what extent and how "Fair" it is depends on you, but it's got a huge player and hype base, so regardless of how much "ITS NOT X" excuses you pull, it'll always be considered competitive
>>270548689
>Japan, the land of true OG fighting game pros dont even have a scene for it
>Even Smashfans themselves hate tourneyfags
Gee I dunno OP
>>270550647
That comment you screencapped doesn't explain why it's not a fighting game, it's explaining why it's different from Street Fighter 2.
>>270550254
going off predictions I'd say Wii U>Melee>3DS>64>Brawl
Nope, it isn't.
>>270550480
It's so fucking weird to realize that guy from the show my sister loved as a kid is basically just a 4chan shitposter and smash fanboy for some reason.
>>270548689
>no lifebars
>platforms
no
the gameplay involves choosing one of multiple characters to engage in hand to hand combat with a wide variety of moves against another one of multiple characters with a wide variety of moves and many aspects of its strategy are very comparable to more traditional fighting games. Yes smash is a fighting game.
>>270550505
How? It's true. Melee and 64 were designed to be fighting games. Sakurai then saw how SF3/MVC2 killed fighting games for nearly a decade, then decided to redefine Smash.
It is only from Brawl onwards that he is careful about defining the game. Before, he very much intended to make a fighting game: >>270549438
>>270550198
people play on training stage because on consoles, certain stages can sometimes lag. yes, i know. it's pathetic.
>>270549541
playing on any stage is random enough. playing with items is literally no fun allowed only shitters may apply
>>270550647
>no blocking
>no hit stun
Stopped reading right there
Sakurai himself considers it a party game. tourneyfags make me sick
>any attempt at being a platform fighter will flop, be as obscure as MBP, or a Smash clone
>>270549541
No matter what video game the tournament is for, they won't be playing all maps.
I don't understand, i'm so furious. How do you play smash online with this lag? Is it both people lagging equally? It seems I just stand still and can barely move as the other person just abuses me and taunts around me as I'm basically frozen, so it doesn't seem like they're affected. I have amazing internet when using my desktop and ps3. Is there a trick you guys have to make yourself even relevant online? I know I'm shit so "get gud" won't prove much, I'd just like a fighting chance.
pls no bully. I main Luigi btw.
>>270551017
I think that's true for Marvel, but in Street Fighter 4 a lot of people pick the training stage because it's a lot easier to gauge how far away you are from the middle of the screen and corners.
It's a fighting game intended for a more casual audience.
>>270550810
because fighting games are all pretty much street fighter 2 at the core
smash is something else
>>270551135
Sakurai also said it's a different kind of fighting game.
And tourneyfags did nothing wrong.
>>270550938
it's him who's posting all those HE threads
>>270551208
If you're getting consistent lag in 1v1 For Glory, your internet is far from amazing.
>>270551208
>I main luigi
into the trash etc.
>>270551246
If my definition of RPG was "Games like Wizardry" you'd think I was fucking stupid.
>>270549148
>>has party game elements
Good local multiplayer options?
>>270549875
>it's not a crime to choose to play without them just like it's not a crime to select capture the flag over death match or whatever in an FPS.
it is when a prominent yet small and vocal group of fags cry out about how one of those game mode is the "correct" or more "legit" way to play the game
both ways are fine really but the people playing the more "serious" rules are annoying cause faggots cant fathom that little party game being played for fun with a rule set they don't spend hours upon hours practicingsmash fags are worst tourney fags cause they cant adapt like in anyone else in any other fighting game would have to do
>>270551315
>most tourneyfags are degenerates or even worse, niggers
>only play on a number of stages with zero items
>game has heavily tiered character roster
Say whatever you want but Smash will never be a true tournament fighter ala KoF/SF
How come people don't bitch about competitive players for other games avoiding all the content a game has?
>>270549364
They were in name alone. Even then they were only classified as such because the genre it really belongs to doesn't have a name.
Also, if it didn't have Nintendo characters it would have been a flop, plain and simple. Why else do you think there's been no other games of its type that were even remotely successful?
>>270551513
And in SF3 you could basically only use Ken or Chun
>>270551461
>it is when a prominent yet small and vocal group of fags cry out about how one of those game mode is the "correct" or more "legit" way to play the game
Nobody is doing this right now though.
It's funny how I always see you people complain about tourneyfags apparently declaring that their way of playing is the only way to play yet I see far, far, far more casual elitists forcing their play style more than tourneyfags. I wonder why that is.
>>270548689
>imblying
>>270551571
In fact, competitive CS should be just as controversial as competitive Smash:
>they're "playing it wrong", IE: not playing it as a counter-terrorism simulator
>playing with a limited amount of maps
>playing with a limited amount of weapons
>>270551571
If you point out the reasons people do that in other games, you will end up with reasons that will also apply to Smash which is something people want to avoid acknowledging.
>>270551513
>trying to be racist in a fighting game community
That's like going to a NBA or NFL game and being racist.
>>270551728
> if it didn't have Nintendo characters it would have been a flop, plain and simple
you can't prove that
>Why else do you think there's been no other games of its type that were even remotely successful
name another game with smash's gameplay. No allstars in not one
>>270551802
>casual elitists
>>270551461
This. Instead they make entire mods that force the game into their image.
>>270551571
Because they had so little content to begin with. In street fighter the only difference between the stages was in the backgrounds.
>>270551802
As one of those whose sympathies lie with the "casual elitists", I say that it's a backlash born from years of bitterness and resentment, along with a desire to make them see what it's like to be on the receiving end of their elitism.
Vengeful? Yes, but if their places were switched they would do the same.
>>270552359
>so little content to begin with
FPSs can have hundreds of maps and tons of modes to choose from. Their competitive scenes will still only play a few maps and a few modes.
>>270551728
>if it didn't have Nintendo characters it would have been a flop, plain and simple
probably since most games sold like shit on the n64 and even if it sold well it wouldnt have gotten a sequel
>>270549927
>in 90% of fighting games every stage is just a flat expanse of ground with a different background
Well yeah, because they're fighting games.
>>270552359
Except the casual elitists haven't to put up with shit other than people calling out Brawls flaws.
>>270552509
I was referring to the fighting games, although you have a point with FPSes too.
>>270552682
Its not that so much as the tourneyfags act like they're hot shit when they're no better than we are. In fact, I've heard that most of the big tournaments are secretly rigged- the winners are decided behind the scenes and then they go through the motions of playing. It's faker than pro wrestling.
>consistently the most watched at EVO, the biggest fighting fag convention of the year
You tell me.
>>270552647
>soul caliber and tekken are not fighting games
it's weird how "not a street fighter clone" has become the standard for not being a fighting game
All the competitive smash players I've met are fine with playing the game with items/ all stages when playing for fun.
Truth is, they'll kick your ass no matter what the stage is and whether items are on or not. In fact, it seems like giving them items just gives them more ways for them to beat you.
>>270552867
Last I heard, Mahvel or SF is the most watched. Pretty sure Melee is in the top 3 though.
>>270551246
Gundam extreme Vs. is a fighting game thats nothing like SF2 but no one disputes that its a fighting game.
>>270552893
2.5d fighters arent fighting games
final fight is more of a fighting game than smash
>>270552935
If that's the case, then /v/'s tourneyfags are just wannabes and pretenders, and the whole debate of tourneyfags vs. casuals is a sham inasmuch as both sides are casuals.
>>270552867
That is not Mahvel or SF.
>>270553005
gunslinger stratos, j-stars victory vs, ehrgeiz, anarchy reigns and battle of the z too while you're at it
>>270552893
I...what? Are you an idiot? Did you even read what I posted? Infact, have you even played Tekken? If you're going by multi-tiered stage hazards then why aren't you bringing up DoA? I am so confused by this post that I hope you die.
>>270552853
>Le epic copypasta
Ya got me m8/
>>270552992
Was. Sm4sh has been giving it a run for its money in the tournament scene recently, and that's just the 3ds version. When the Wii U version shows up Melee will be relegated to a sideshow.
>>270553259
Look at the post he responded to.
>>270553334
>smash 4
>implying
dead as fuck scene
melee is still up there
>>270553334
>When the Wii U version shows up Melee will be relegated to a sideshow.
Nintendo will probably force that for promotion.
>>270553334
Sm4sh is not that fun to play or watch. Better than brawl =/= good. It has it's moments though
>>270551461
>items
>a literal RNG mechanic
You cannot adapt to a crate randomly exploding and causing you an instant death, fuck off with your stupid shit.
>>270553284
Perhaps they should stop giving cash prizes if they want to convince people they only do it for love of the game.
>>270553698
Yes you can. It's called "don't stand so close to the crate".
>>270551461
>bomb falls infront you when charging a smash attack
of course i can adapt i can just cancel this attack right?
>>270553859
>RNG should be accepted in a competitive environment
I bet you play league of legends.
>>270550254
Brawl was a good game, just like Smash U will be a good game.
And just like Brawl, tourneyfags and tryhards will leave Smash U for not being exactly Melee 2 even if it's arguably better. They don't want another smash game, they just want whatever they perverted Melee into with better graphics and new characters.
>>270548689
yes.
if you think they are shitty ones then just argue that. this is one of the dumbest debates.
>>270553968
league of legends doesnt have any rng. its just pay2win
>>270553968
LoL is the single most popular e-sport there is. If anything it's living proof that what the people want is that element t of chance. Otherwise you may as well have computers simulate the whole tournament and determine the winner via statistical probablilty.
So, was there ever another fighting game where something in tournament settings got banned? Characters? Levels? Items?
