Not a Ridleyfag or even a Metroid fan at all, but why spend all that time making him a stage boss?
>Let him keep his size, but to balance him out make it so he can't use any other item except for Smash Balls and recovery items
>Make him like they did in this mod for Brawl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3ECarsZvc
I just don't understand, why would Sakurai not include a character that people have been wanting since Melee. In fact, his appearance in the original Melee trailer got most of the hype.
>>269129304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSOLLpj7N2M
Melee E3 reaction for those who didn't know what I was talking about. Just skip to Samus' part in the opening.
Because he's a spiteful one-hit wonder who hates the fanbase of his own games, and jealous that he'll never make a game as good as Super Metroid or any Donkey Kong Country.
At this point if you honestly think Sakurai is a good director you're objectively wrong.
>>269131826
I honestly do believe that Sakurai should be replaced. We need someone who's in touch with the fanbase and will actually listen. Does he really think we wanted Dark Pit, DHD and Wii Fit Trainer over Ridley, Issac, etc?
>>269129304
To do the ADHD fags a favor because they didn't stop crying. It's like crying screaming kids at the supermarket. So they got their ridiculous shit and they totally bought it, like shaking a key chain in front of a baby, not caring that he isn't playable.
The fans are so friggin embarassing.
>>269129304
He fits better as a stage boss.
>>269129304
>Not a Ridleyfag or even a Metroid fan at all, but why spend all that time making him a stage boss?
sure you aren't
Sakurai probably doesn't even know that people want Ridley badly or he just doesn't care. He's never made aspects of the games out of fan requests, but instead just makes the game the way he wants them.
>>269132048
>Issac
He got to be an assist trophy. That's more representation than Golden Sun even deserves.
>>269132048
He definitely doesn't, he's just being a spiteful little faggot. He's addressed Falcondorf, Ridley, the fallacy with Chrom and Lucina, the alt skin "rule" he keeps breaking, and every single one of his fuck-ups, and every single time it basically boils down to him asking us to prease understand. He knows full well that he's spitting in people's faces at every turn.
>>269132227
It makes no sense though, wouldn't you WANT to please customers to help boost sales and what not?
>>269132532
Nah, I was a Mewtwofag but I got my wish :~)
>>269132048
I wanted WFT and DHD over Isaac and Ridley.
>>269132683
>Sakurai probably doesn't even know that people want Ridley badly
He's known this since right after Melee.
> He's never made aspects of the games out of fan requests, but instead just makes the game the way he wants them.
That's the problem. Smash is a celebration of Nintendo's history. Him molding it to look the way he wants it to is just authority abuse.
>>269132778
I've never played a Golden Sun game, I just know a lot of people want him in.
>>269132815
That's the other thing, why is he that lazy that he can't change up clone's movesets? When I heard Toon Link was going to be in Brawl, I imagined a WW inspired Link that would use the WW items but we just got a lighter Link.
>>269133002
>I wanted WFT and DHD over Isaac and Ridley.
No you didn't, shut the fuck up and stop trying to act like a hipster queer
They made him playable in all but name only. Why not take that extra step?
Honestly, with DLC confirmed, something's gonna happen.
>>269131826
ah, the delicious taste of butthurt
Nobody really wants Ridley, it's a meme like "the water temple is hard/navi is annoying"
>>269129578
They're cheering for Samus you mouth breather, who hadn't had a game in over eight years at the time.
>>269133240
did you see the direct
>>269129304
Pretty sure they were cheering for seeing Metroid stuff in general after not having a game on the N64. And that tiny Ridley looks ridiculous shrunk down like that. Samus was just a bit bigger than his hand before but there he could maybe hold her leg or something.
>>269133228
No need to get upset man, I just wanted characters that aren't trash.
>>269131826
Your bait is stale.
The roster would've been fine, if not for the constraints in time and system. If Ice Climbers and Snake were in, the Smash 4 roster would be the best thus far, even with the blatant and egregious clones. While Dark Pit is the worst character to ever have been added, Lucina and Doc Mario at least make up for it, being more than just abject clones.
>>269129304
maybe they started out making ridley as a playable character, but to be a PC they had to scale him down and it just looked retarded so they tried to get something out of all the work so they made him a stage boss again
>>269133504
Ridley is no more consistent in size than Bowser. He's been even smaller than in OP.
>>269133321
>Nobody really wants Ridley, it's a meme
Could you please stop spouting shit? the only meme associated with Ridley is 2 big which was a joke taken seriously.
>>269133324
Yes. And? He has an Icon, he has several moves already, he has walking and running and jumping animations, he moves a lot like a playable character and not a boss/stage hazard, he clings to ledges, reacts to being hit and has knocked down and prone animations, can be KO'd just like a character instead of exploding like Yellow Devil or just dying/disappearing, and he even has a Final Smash. He just needs fireballs and a shrinking.
>>269134220
so i guess metal face is going to be playable too now?
>>269134076
Zero Mission retconned tiny Ridley from the original. Bowser changes to huge size by using star or shine power, or Kamek's magic. Other than that he's more or less a few times bigger than Mario.
>>269131826
>spiteful
>hates the fanbase
>jealous
>>269132815
>spiteful
Tell me more about Sakurai. You seem to know him well.
>>269133654
>The roster would've been fine if not for deadlines
>proceeds to list other reasons why it's absolute shit
>>269133002
>>269133528
the bait is real that or the shit opinions are outta this world
>>269134220
Flying Man must be incoming DLC as well
>>269134416
Why do you people always say this idiocy? Why is there always a "So that means X is playable too, right?!" "refutation"? How does it mean anything?
>>269134674
>implying ridleyfags aren't doing what they're doing because its easy as fuck bait
>>269134636
>it's impossible to learn about a creator's personality through their creative work
>>269134715
He'll show you how to make each moment count.
>>269134764
there's as much reason for him to be playable if you think ridley would be playable
>>269133228
Wouldn't wanting Isaac make you the true hipster as Golden Sun is just a series of INCREDIBLY mediocre RPGs that had way too much fucking dialogue?
I don't quite understand why of ALL RPGs, Golden Sun is popular.
>>269134896
>>269134715
Except they havent been wanted for almost 20 years.
>>269134896
>Ridley
>recurring villain who appears in most games of a decently popular franchise and is highly requested
>Metal Face
>villain in one fucking game that hasn't been requested at all
sure bud ;)
>>269129304
If I were sakurai, I wouldn't include him merely to spite the stupid fuckers who think he's in.
>>269135095
>highly requested
>by a few people on 4chan
>>269134991
>>269135095
ridley has already been confirmed for support character though
>>269135095
You know he's not even a main villain in any of the metroid games, right?
>>269134915
No, I've never even played Golden Sun. But that anon is just being one of those faggots that run around acting like they knew WFT was gonna be in Sm4sh, or that kid you knew who pretended to know who Ness was before Smash 64
>>269134991
Nobody has wanted Ridley, ever.
>>269135180
> Dark Pitt
:^)
>>269135249
I like how you ridleyfags always assume shit like this.
>>269135180
He is Samus' arch rival and most recurring villain, though.
>>269135237
I want the fuck out of him, the less focus on ZSS and more focus on ACTUAL Metroid representatives the fucking better.
>>269135180
>Killed Samus' parents
>does the majority of Mother Brain's work
>leads the entirety of the space pirates
Just because he isn't the final boss doesn't mean he's not the main villain
>>269134915
Name a better RPG, I'll wait.You can't.
>>269135358
>samus
>not a metroid character
>>269135147
>go on gamefaqs
>ridley is popular
>go on smashboards
>ridley is popular
>go on youtube
>ridley is popular
He's highly requested everywhere (at least in the west). Not just 4chan, as much as you like to think so. :)
>>269135176
Yes, we get it. Not the point bro.
>>269135180
Does it really matter? All that matters is that he's the most memorable and well liked villain. Meta Knight isn't the main antagonist in any Kirby game either but he's still a good character to have. ;)
>>269135328
Oftentimes he's dispatched before the final boss. He's not even important enough to be the actual big bad in a metroid game.
>>269135180
>You know I've never played any of the Metroid games, right?
>>269135463
why would he be a character and a support character?
>>269135379
>parents
yes
>mother brain
thus a lackey
>leads
blatantly wrong.
>>269135463
>well liked villain
for fucking what purpose. He's not even a character.
>>269135396
ZSS is not Metroid, if you truly believe so then you haven't played a single game. (INCLUDING Zero Mission.)
>Hey I want Ridley in Smash
>Oh, dang, he's not in
>TEAAARRRRS HAHAHHAHAH YOU CANCER
Why does /v/ always try to make a shitstorm out of nothing? When he was finally shown there were no threads upset at it and tons of threads basking in the supposed tears of these people who didn't exist.
Is this a similar thing to when /v/ tries to turn every new game into TOR? You guys need a shitstorm every day, don't you?
>>269135147
I think you need to leave 4chan more often
>>269135506
You know, you really should play them sometime. They're one of the few game series that has consistently good games.
Because hes going to be DLC
Welcome to Jewtendo
>>269135625
Mother Brain id the villain of only 2 games jackass. Ridleys been in 5
>>269135625
You not liking him doesn't mean he's not a character. It's amazing, really, what you people come up with in your hatred and anger.
>>269135625
>for fucking what purpose. He's not even a character.
>a lackey
>blatantly wrong
Nice bait!
>>269135636
The main character of Metroid is named Samus, not Metroid.
Way to prove that the only people who want Ridley are in it for the purple dragon dildo porn. You aren't even Metroid fans.
>>269135836
>Gohma has been in more Zelda games than Ganon
Gohma confirmed for true villain of the Zelda series
I've always thought it would be better for stage bosses to be familiar to most players, especially if they are also bosses in their own respective games
The mans hands are fucking crippled now
He added Ridley the best way that he could to where he still makes sense and keeps the identity of his character
What do you want from him
Jesus Christ SAKURAI knows you Guys are just Man-Children
>>269135858
The bait is real. Take that hook, shove it up your hairy pimple infested ass, and pull it as hard as you fucking can.
>>269135625
>leads the space pirates
>wrong
Anti-fags are too stupid to even bait correctly.
>>269135836
>Metroid/Zero Mission
Mother Brain
>Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime
>Metroid Prime 2
Dark Samus
>Metroid Prime 3
Aurora Unit 313
>Metroid 2
Queen Metroid
>Super Metroid
Mother Brain
>Metroid Fusion
Omega Metroid
>>269135837
There is literally no characterization. He might as well be a mindless beast.
>>269135468
He's the penultimate boss in nearly every game he's in, and in some you fight him twice, once at/near the beginning and the second just before the end. And his Robot duplicate s the final boss of a game.
If he's so unimportant and interesting, explain why the makers of the games consistently do that. And why he's listed as Samus' arch-nemesis by Nintendo, even the Smash 4 announcer called him that.
You people really need to understand that you not liking something doesn't suddenly make that something not what it is.
>>269136023
People want him fucking playable, what the fuck is do difficilt to understand?
>yfw RIDLEY IS CONFIRMEDas a Pokemon trainer clone with several different space pirates doing the fighting while he chills in the background, intervening only during final smash
>>269136112
>There is literally no characterization. He might as well be a mindless beast.
>implying Nintendo game characters are layered and deep
i bet you think TLOU is a 10/10 game
>>269136085
Ridley is a high ranking officer, not the leader. We have no clue who the leader is.
>>269129304
Hahaha Ridley fags BTFO
Never ever.
>>269136112
Samus also has very little characterisation. I guess she's not fit for Smash either. Nor is Mario, or Link, or Kirby, or literally any Nintendo protagonist who isn't from an RPG.
>>269136315
Oh come the fuck on.
>>269136112
You know motherbrain isn't the final boss of Zero Mission don't you? It's MetalRidley.
>>269136085
>>269136085
>Smash Bros is Metroid canon.
>>269136198
>samus's arch-nemesis
and yet, he's not even a threat to samus. There's always something bigger and more important for Samus to defeat. How odd, no?
>>269136112
And Sheik was Zelda's disguise in one whole game back in 1997 and had no personality either. ROB was a toy made in the 80s to trick people into buying NESs. Shulk, in Sakurai's own words, doesn't deserve to be in because he breaks all of the criteria.
Yet all I hear you people rage and bitch about is Ridley. I feel sad for you all, having such a problem over a video game character.
>>269134861
You are projecting because his design decisions have angered you, leading you to, consciously or not, look for evidence of him being an asshole by interpreting his statements that way, and possibly not even understand what was actually said or whether what you've read is true. There's plenty to criticize about the content of the game, you don't have to invent a personality to justify your anger.
>He's addressed Falcondorf
If this is what I'm thinking of, then you've just read something someone made up on /v/ and thought it must be true.
>the fallacy with Chrom and Lucina
There isn't a fallacy. No one goes into the roster finalizing process going "This character will be in, but we'll make him a clone." Therefore the choice was between a unique Robin and a unique Chrom. Sakurai thought it would be much more worth it to make a guy with a magic sword and magic books he can run out of instead of a guy who, though not based on another character, still just swings a sword around. Then later, a skin that was already made gets promoted to a character with a few tweaks. This does not contradict the desire to not waste effort on a character that does not add anything to the game, as little effort was wasted.
> the alt skin "rule" he keeps breaking
There was never a rule and nothing was broken. People just have terrible reading comprehension as usual.
Where can I buy that Metroid manga from?Is it a comic book or a manga? I really fucking hate manga.
>>269136440
>final boss is the actual leader
oh yeah, the boss who tries to stop you from escaping, he's clearly the big bad guy. It's not like the big bad would try to stay somewhere safe, nope. They would clearly show up after you've beaten the fake big boss and try to stop you from escaping.
Ridley is Metroid's rival character. Always there, but never the final boss.
Like Meta Knight or Wolf.
>>269129304
>im not a ridleyfag but i am
bipolar much
>>269136580
Maybe you should put that schooling to work and look through how the conversation started. Then you can join us adults in the conversation.
>>269129304
not only that, but with the shittiest version
>well other m is the latest so we'll use that
NO. IT LOOKS TERRIBLE
>>269136465
Yeah, all those things happened in Smash Bros.
>>269136483
By that logic, Bowser shouldn't be in because of Smithy, Cackletta, Dimentio, Shadow Queen, Fawful, Dark Star, and Daisy.
Also, Wolf isn't the main villain of Star Fox yet he's the playable one while Andross isn't.
>people have actually started to hate Ridley because of the shitstorm surrounding him
This play is cancer.
>>269136731
And yet we still have fucking TP Link and Zelda. This is fucking unbelievable.
>>269135463
>in the west
that's the key phrase, anon
>>269136729
It started how it always started, people discussing Ridley and the triggered whiners running in to scream and throw insults around. It's like a magnetic attraction to the word Ridley that causes insanity and inanity in certain people who feel the need to be assholes on the internet.
>>269136962
>Lil' Mac
>all these anti-fags pretending that they've played Metroid games
>the amount of anti-fag mental gymnastics
Keep it coming, you guys are hilarious
>>269137034
>>well liked villain
>for fucking what purpose. He's not even a character.
There you go.
>>269136962
Japan doesn't care about Metroid or Sonic, why are they still in the game?
>if Ridley had been in
>"We all knew he'd be in from the start"
>>269137052
do you really think anybody wanted Li'l Mac i before he was announced? he took egeryone by surprised
>>269137106
How is he not a character? You saying he isn't doesn't mean he isn't. I can say the sky is orange and purple, but that doesn't mean it's not blue.
>>269137175
fucking this, dude.
>>269136962
Japan isn't the only place that matters, as much as people like to think this for some reason.
>>269137263
I WANTED LIL' MAC. Anyone who actually played punch out did.
my biggest problem with ridley is his fucking neck. how does it hold his head at all?
>>269137274
he is literally not even a fucking chatacyer
>>269133079
Are you fucking retarded? He's been working with Nintendo for 20+ years, and produced some of the best games (and some best selling games) for the company. He knows how to make a fucking Nintendo tribute.
>>269137610
Tubes.
I get the feeling Ridley's going to end up in Project M.
>>269137578
>Anyone who actually played punch out did.
Yeah, so about 7 people.
>>269133654
Yeah I liked Dr Mario a lot in this game because he had Melee Mario's move set.
What the hell is the fludd supposed to do?
>>269137518
of course Japan isn't tye only place that matters, but that's what it seems like to Japanese Game developers.
>ridley confirmed
>metal face confirmed
>flying man confirmed
>yellow devil confirmed>alfonzo confirmed
>>269137636
What in the fuck does that even mean? Not who you're talking to, but you're either a retard or just a baiting cunt.
>>269137754
Do you even like Nintendo? Go the fuck away.
>>269137869
Your tears are delicious.
>>269134991
FUCK YOU I WANT
The only reason Ridley didn't get in was because of his size, stop being dillusional and accept it
>b-but Ridley's size is always inconsistent!
no it isn't, the only time he was Samus' size was the NES one
>>269137643
lel
>>269129578
That had to hurt when the final roster came to be and Wolf, Ridley and Goroh were AWOL. No wonder the intro movie for Brawl was just the Subspace Emissary clips.
>>269131826
>>269132048
These. Sakurai is a joke. Give the IP back to HAL.
>>269137636
>>269138104
>faggot pretending to be me to remove credibility
and here I was thinking you faggots were above that.
>>269138430
>pretending to be me
Try again Ridleyfag
Everyone bitches about how "All the fans" want so and so characters. Sure the consensus on imageboards and a few other websites may agree to that...
But do you realize that we also acknowledge that Nintendo is the most family-based video game creator, so why should they listen to a small percentage (us), when a large number of the casual audience will buy more consoles/games and doesn't care what they do.
>>269136585
>Sakurai is not an asshole
HA
>>269138104
So, gonna answer the "How is he not a character?" question?
>>269138580
Keep crying Ridleyfag
>>269138421
You're an idiot. Sakurai had MORE control when it was it was developed at HAL. Read some interviews.
>>269138718
ur mum was fucked by me man
>>269138718
So you have nothing to contribute. Good to know.
>>269137080
Your the fucking one doing mental gymnastics you fucks still believe he is going to be a playable character
I want to make a petition for Ridley to be dlc. But i dont it to be JUST about Ridley, more like Metroid appreciation to get Ridley noticed to Nintendo and it's developers. I think we should strike while the iron is hot.
>>269138986
Considering they made him playable in all but name, a small amount of extra code is all that's needed.
>>269138561
only waifufags wanted ashley in
>>269138561
See, here's another good example. Some interpret "FYI, she's an Assist Trophy" as a taunt when it's just as likely it's nothing but a clarification. Do you really he would intentionally post something that implied "HAH, YOUR CHARACTER IS NOT PLAYABLE FAGGOTS, SHE'S JUST A FUCKING ASSIST TROPHY." Even if he felt that, it's clearly not good PR.
>>269139163
I too remember how all Smash Bros characters can cling to the side of a level and then clip through the stage to attack everyone
>>269139230
only waifufags wanted lucina in
>>269139295
He also did it with Takamaru, and that was the day after all of the pomp and circumstance with Masamura's Castle being revealed for the Virtual Console at the 3DS Smash tournament. The PotD had Takamaru describing himself and what he does and how cool he is. And after a space, (FYI I'm an Assist Trophy). Now THAT was pretty mean-spitrited, especially considering how much Sakurai mentioned Takamaru when he talked about Smash Bros and bringing back old games/franchises and how many recent games Takamaru has been in as well as being popular in Japan.
He just likes to be a random asshole, apparently.
>>269139450
Playable version doesn't need to do that. Also, that entire clinging to the edge thing. Why would a stage hazard need to do that?
and see the list of other thing she does that player characters do up above.
>>269129304
Maybe they could do a whole bunch of half-playable boss characters as well
Slide harder Bill sama
SLIDE
HARDER
>>269139884
He almost always mentions when a character is an Assist Trophy because all the Miiverse kiddies will ask if he's playable if he doesn't. The timing coincided with Mysterious Murasame Castles VC release because he thought people would be excited that the character they would be getting to know from this NES game coming to the west for the first time would also make an appearance in Smash Bros. The only time I felt Sakurai was being sort of a dick was when he described Waluigi.
>>269138946
Did I say anything about Sakurai being at HAL? I just said give it back to HAL. Honestly, Sakurai is untouchable at this point, seeing as how Iwata let him go for Uprising, and all of the praise Brawl got along with the DOJO updates. Sakurai could wipe his ass on a disk and people will lap it up as the greatest thing.
Glad people are seeing how shitty he is when it comes to choice-making.
>>269141151
>>269141151
Yeah, people get hyped about a summon item. I know I wanted Smash 4 so badly when Dillon was confirmed as an AT, pure hype right there.
If they're Assist Trophies, just fucking say it without all of the bullshit. And yes, it was pretty mean-spirited to make the announcement right after Takamaru's game was given a VC release during a Smash 3DS tournament.
>>269139295
>going into all that detail; literally a teaser
>addendum: it's an assist trophy
>not an asshole move
i know autists can't pick up on social cues, but seriously?
>>269141310
The reason HAL stopped making it is because they only have around 100 employees and the game got too big. Even with Namco + Sora, both companies had to recruit additional employees for Smash 4.
>my favorite characters will never be playable in smash bros
It's fine I suppose. I'm used to having everything nice in my life taken away from me.
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-please-make-ridley-dlc-for-super-smash-bros-for-3ds-wii-u
Ridley isn't even a character. He's just a boss that shows up in some games and gets rekt everytime while being really loud
Hell, Samus is hardly a character too. Though I would like to have the SA-X playable. It would probably be a clone, but a really cool clone.
>That Wii U Smash 4 direct
This is basically Giga Bowser 2.0 and you fucking know that when the Wii U gets hacked and this game gets modded, the first thing they're gonna do is enable him to be playable.
>>269144784
Is "He's not a character" the new "He's too big"?
>>269144784
>Bowser isn't a character, he's just a boss who gets reckt while being loud
>Pikachu isn't a character, he's just some yellow faggot
>Link isn't a character, he doesn't even talk
by your Logic, we'd only have half a compatible roster
>>269145369
>tfw I forgot to get rid of name from a different thread
>>269133321
>Samus hadn't had a game in 8 years
What about Smash 64, 2 years before?
>>269136952
You mean TP dorf? Like seriously he's the worst version of ganondorf save for his retarded ages design and the unused TP design where he had eyebrows growing under his eyelids.
