Never play this before, is the singleplayer any good? Is SC worth getting into?
Campaign of RTS game is always worth a play.
Unless the engine is a piece of shit making the game unplayable.
hell yeah play it
>>268762358
sure
>is sc worth getting into
bw is dead
sc2 is terrible
>>268762852
sc2 is only bad if you were into bw in its glory days.
buy sc2. there's a mod where you can play the starcraft 1 campaign with the sc2 engine. also sc1 has lots of problems with win 7.
has not aged worth of dick
was created during a time where blizzard was acceptable, but the nostalgia "hype" surrounding SC is pure blizzard bitch baby-tier bullshit
i can dump a boatload of ancient RTS games that fucking smoke that pile of shit
obscure as fuck titles too, such as american conquest + fight back
>>268762852
Is there an alternative to SC2? Like is there any other RTS that has a active playerbase?
>>268763037
but muh 2.5d drone floating
>>268762984
Recommend me some that isn't pure RTS, or has additional mechanic.
Stuff like Warcraft 3 heroes/item
Wargame series with unit rank that carry over to the next stage.
War Inc. make your own unit
Dawn of War planet conquering and artifact unlocking
etc.
>>268762358
My favorite game of all time but you're like a million years late, sorry dude.
>>268763228
What the fuck are you talking about ? Go back to your obscure shenanigan.
Starcraft is the greatest RTS.
>>268763228
how many of those games revolutionized the competitive RTS scene?
>>268762358
If you want to casually play some old rts that has aged well then Red Alert 2 is what you should play. The sprites are pretty much timeless and the game mechanics are solid and fun, its not really balanced and nobody would seriously claim it but it has a fun single player.
Campaign is good.
Online is pretty dead.
Nigga, just play Age of Mythology.
>>268763838
The one ironic thing about SC is that while it is heralded as one of the games that birthed the modern rts basebuilding games it was also according to some the game that spawned a genre that is killing rts.
>>268763654
stop sucking the bliz/valve cock m8
all the games u listed are shit
>wc3/heroes
get the fuck out
>wargame
its shit. hyped by valve marketing brits
low as fuck production value with static environments and artificial graphics
go play world in conflict if you want a real isometric war game
>daw2
get the fuck out
No point playing the story when its so thoroughly destroyed by 2.
You did this wc3. Fucking lazy ass shit.
>>268764102
Reccomend me, that's what I'm asking in the first place.
>>268764102
Different anon here but what is really wrong with Dawn of War 2?
Type the word "starcraft" with just your left hand. Post feels.
>>268764226
Dawn of War 2 isn't really RTS, it's glorified moba.
though the other anon doesn't mention 2 in his post.
>>268762358
Ignore all the online faggotry. It's of the smoothest RTS games ever and has a memorable story. Every now and then I go back and replay it.
>>268762358
yes. and yes.
In the current sc2 metagame all you need to do is play Terran and then build marines and widow mines and laugh as you steamroll all opposition. You could go pro man.
But for serious Starcraft 1 will remain one of my favorite games of all time, and SC2 was fun as hell too. If you don't feel like having to battle the UI and unit pathing like the old days there's a mod to play sc1 campaign in sc2
>>268764440
>mod to play sc1 campaign in sc2
does it work for the arcade version?
>>268763323
You can get a game of supreme commander forged alliance going at any time of the day.
Just download the fan client, forged alliance forever.
>>268763228
are you retarded? broodwar has some of the most timeless graphics of any game.
also, based on sales and e-sports involvement, starcraft trumps every other RTS. not to mention it was an objectively superior game for many reasons, but for example the great amount of balance between the 3 races, and another reason was almost no RNG - nothing was left to chance. The only thing that might be construed as RNG was shooting from a low place into a high place, or Reaver's attack was guaranteed to land.
>>268764084
If a child is going on a killing spree, you don't blame the grandfather. You blame the father, Guinsoo.
>>268764298
Mobas are ok in my opinion. In my humble opinion measuring how good a game is purely by difficulty and mechanical requirements is kind of silly. One other thing that I sort of dislike is how people look at how many hours of gameplay a singleplayer game has and that is why alien isolation for example has a fuckload of filler content just so that they can market it as a 20 hour game. Just me rambling about stuff that isnt really related.
>>268764102
wargame was kinda fun but the battlefields seem too big for me. I guess i just need to git gud
>>268764298
a glorified moba? are you serious right now dude?
really?
have you even played a moba? or DoW2?
>>268764595
I think the game is ok too, the problem is the game previous title is RTS, and it's always get compared with other title while it's not full blown RTS.
>>268764084
Several good RTS came after it. RA2, WC3, Rise of Nations, and a personal favorite, Battle for Middle Earth 2. Nothing SC1 did harmed the RTS genre.
>>268764505
idk about the arcade version i got mine from moddb
>>268764534
my name is bob and im addicted to blizzard jewcock
im also 12
>>268764293
>tfw you can see people's disconnect ratio
>tfw playing starship trooper based maps
>shitty sailor moon maps
>porn maps
>>268764595
in the RTS world, measuring a game based on its mechanical requirements and how well balanced the races are is perfectly valid and not silly at all. if you're looking for an in-depth storyline from an RTS, you should seek out a movie or a book.
>>268764930
While its pretty indirect I was talking about aeon of strife to be a bit more precise.
>>268765027
sc custom games were the best mane
>>268764990
stop trolling, please
blizzard is a fucking embarrassment, but they created some amazing games in the 90s. deny this and you are objectively wrong, I don't care about what your reply is.
>>268765037
Balance and mechanical requirements have fuckall to do with each other anon. As worn as this argument is chess has nothing to do with mechanical difficulty and it is considered a pretty balanced game (yes everyone knows the white advantage).
>>268764534
>also, based on sales and e-sports involvement
While I agree that BW is an amazing game, you shouldn't argue for it with sales figures and e-sports bullshit. Otherwise, LoL would be considered a masterpiece. BW was successful for the other things you mentioned. Leaving shilling out of it.
>>268765095
I was godtier at bounds.
>>268765206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PKKPVj7loQ
>>268765095
I was getting pretty good at helms deep, I tried them in wc3 but it just wasn't the same, too few units.
>>268765048
You can blame WC3's hero system specifically for that.
>>268765214
...read the post again bud, I didn't claim they had any relevance to each other, only that they are two of the most important things to judge an RTS by.
>>268765307
comparing a game that came out in the late 90s to a game that came out after the massive changes in the internet is an exercise in futility. i see your point but your contempt for league of legends is unfounded - look at the numbers. world of warcraft was and is parroted as an awful game, but the numbers don't lie. both are good games, objectively.
>>268765718
Why would mechanical difficulty be relevant to anything? I mean we can make any game ever made mechanically difficult if we want but all it achieves is that the game becomes more difficult. This is like saying that certain old rts inherently become better games because they lack micro and macro functions that are considered core features these days since it makes them mechanicallly more difficult. Is call of duty for example a better game than counter strike because you need more buttons?
>>268765718
Do you really believe that big sales and e-sports involvement are criteria for defining good games? To each his own, but you're basically saying shit like Modern Warfare 3 is better than games like Quake 3 Arena, Battlefield 1942, etc.
>>268762852
Starcraft 2 is great though. It still delivers that fast paced RTS action that no other RTS provides (that I know of)
>>268766020
yes. you are completely correct, actually. it's just like the manual vs automatic transmission discussion. by adding all these luxuries to automotives, culminating at driverless cars, the act of driving is destroyed, and with it the joy, etc. same difference with games. look at starcraft vs starcraft 2 - in 1, you could only select 12 units, in 2 there isn't a limit. this small difference made microing that much more important. by having to manage sub-armies within an army individually, difficulty was created which allowed for the game to be better to spectate/observe. this is just one example.
also, better is subjective. i'm not going to say CS:S is better or worse than CoD because it's futile. different strokes for different folks. however if you're looking at it from how playable it is as an e-sport, or which one is more difficult/impressive to observe, the answer is CS:S.
>>268766718
The difference between mechanical difficulty that is rewarding to master and an overabundance of mechanics that can be considered redundant or the complete opposite of that is really a line drawn in water. At some point once you make it mechanically hard enough nobody will enjoy it no matter how hardcore the player. As for the manual-automatic analogy I dont really mind automatic but its not like I personally mind manual either (not that it was really to be taken literally in the first place).
>>268766289
no that's not what I'm saying. MW3 is a good game in that it caters to a huge crowd and does a pretty good job at being a contemporary/future era FPS. but then you look at things like perks, which make the game nearly impossible to balance, or kill streak bonus, which suffer the same fate, or even the age-old spawn positions issues that CoD has always had, and you quickly realize it's not a good game for e-sports and similarly it becomes a lot less impressive to observe when you know that helicopter gun got 60% of that guy's kills, not himself.
again, the other issue is the dates they came out. the amount of people playing games now is a lot bigger than it was when BF1942, Quake, etc came out. guaranteed, given the same amount of gamers and quality of internet back then, we'd see a lot more people playing those games. a lot of it is the exposure bit... those older games don't have much said about them aside from their respective cult followers, and so others don't find out about it.
>>268767198
that's why we have to draw on the pioneers of the gaming industry, such as starcraft, CS:S, Quake, command and conquer, etc. and unfortunately, this is happening less and less. look at diablo 3 and how big of an abomination that was compared to diablo 2 or 1. pick out any contemporary FPS and you'll see the same issues.
Starcraft 2 is good man, especially if you aren't jaded with the nostalgia goggles of brood war.
Each race has distinct playstyles and strategies and years later and the meta still changes when someone figures out a way to do things differently. Don't expect to be a pro straight away and there's going to be a lot of frustrating times ahead if you plan to play online with no prior RTS experience. But trust me dude, theres no greater satisfaction then when everything just works, you've perfected that build order into a strong as fuck opening or you scout that early tech and counter it so hard that you are miles ahead. Just have fun with it, never take it too seriously, but invest the time and it's well worth it.
>>268767627
>>268767302
>>268767198
>>268766718
>>268766678
>>268766289
>>268766020
>>268765718
>>268765646
yall niggas are ignoring the real problem here. widow mines
>>268768494
I haven't played SC2, what did they do to spider mines and vultures?
>>268768713
I'm just not decided on if you should be shot out of contempt or sucked off out of pity for having never played this glorious single player campaign.
>>268768713
no more vultures, spider mines are now widow mines and are op as hell
>>268763037
>there's a mod where you can play the starcraft 1 campaign with the sc2 engine
oh god my dick is so hard
>>268763037
The sc2 community is garbage. Blizzard jewed out the custom maps so there is nothing to play. Ranked sucks because everyone just does their all in build and leaves after 10 minutes.
>>268769920
>Terran bias
Big fucking surprise. It's always been that way since beta.
I dropped it when every map was just the same bullshit over and over. Ramps ramps ramps, like a giant fuck you to strategy, and especially a fuck you to zerg who auto-lose unless you manage to do a bunch of damage in the first 5 minutes since the other two factions get the same production out of one base that you get out of 3, without their unit production being tied to fucking larvae. Zerg units in general are also just utter trash and you'll always be stuck using the same 2-3 units every match. In the same way. Over and over.
Starcraft 2 is just plain dogshit. The only people that care about it are gooks that make money off of it.
SC one of the best 1v1 games and most profitable
sc > quake > chess > everything else
>>268764293
nice
>>268770172
>Ranked sucks because everyone just does their all in build and leaves
Not like you're given a choice. Especially as zerg. Matches are decided in the first 4-5 minutes every time except maybe at the highest levels of play, and they may as well be playing a different game. For the average player, Starcraft is just plain un-fucking-fun. Even garbage like Company of Heroes 2 at least tries to inject entertainment value into their horribly balanced game.
>>268762358
sc and brood war are really great both sp and multi old warcraft 1 and 2 are worth playing too
wc3 is comfy as fuck
sc2 is pretty good too though the multiplayer is shit and full of tryhard faggots i stopped playing about a month after release of the first game
>>268770558
Its what happens when you market your shit to filthy casuals. 99% of the players are too stupid and lazy to learn how to actually play the game so they memorize 2 or 3 builds and complain about how the races they don't play are overpowered. This was D rank on iccup, now its everyone but the pros.
>tfw you discovered starcraft 2 months ago
>>268771105
>game almost balanced
>"Hey guys we have a couple new unit ideas"--blizz
>everything fine
>FUCKINGWIDOWMINES
>ded gaem
>>268771105
You say that like the game is complex.
There isn't much to starcraft in the way of actual strategy or tactics. The 'skill' in the game is nothing but who can control their production buildings and unit abilities the fastest. Part of why the game is boring as shit when most RTS games have moved on to trying to inject some form of actual complexity into the game to varying degrees of success.
Who wants to sit around just trying to shit out more units than the other guy only to lose to some loser Korean that plays the game 40 hours a week to the point that his chink fingers muscle-memory their way through spamming blinks or some shit? What's even entertaining about that? Where is the STRATEGY in this real time strategy game? It's literally just scouting to find a base, then rushing over a deathball and stutter-walking your units until his ramp is open or medevacing into his workers to auto-win by killing his economy.
Shit ends in 10 minutes because it's basic as fuck.
>>268762358
It is, I'm not telling you it's the greatest thing ever, SC just is what it is, and it's a game yo should try at least once in your life.
>tfw want to reinstall wc3 and go download some random campaign mods, maps or cinematics and get lost for a few days in someone else's creation
>>268771632
Managing multiple buildings and units at once, while decisively reacting to your opponent is hard. It is "boring" because to takes a long time to develop the ability and stamina to be successful in the game. Most modern RTS games try to cater to modern lazy gamers by throwing in RNG you cant control and rest periods so you can check your facebook while playing.
>There isnt any actual strategy or tactics in basketball. The "skill" in the game is just running around and putting the ball in the hoop. Who wants to just run around trying to make a basket when some loser nigger that plays 40 hours a week will just deke the shit out of my white ass.
Why is nydusing people so fun?
>>268772726
>Rest periods
What the hell are you talking about? There are no 'rest periods' in any games I'm aware of.
The problem with gookclick is you have to play gookclick AND NO OTHER GAME EVER if you want to reach the APM necessary to play the game at a level where the game is anything more than winning in 5 minutes with an all-in blob.
There's nothing fucking fun about that. There is no strategy or tactics. It's literally just a pissing match between gooks on who can click the fastest between two points of the map; The units and your production buildings.
Call every other RTS in the entire genre 'casual' if you want, I guess, but at least they are entertaining instead of boring and frustrating.
>>268772726
There's actual tactics in basketball. It's not just unloading bus after bus after bus of black people that collide into each other until one side is overwhelmed and Daquan manages a slam dunk, ending the match in 7 minutes.
>>268773654
>but at least they are entertaining instead of boring and frustrating.
For you
>>268773654
Take company of heroes for example. You tell your guys to go to the resource point then watch them capture it for a minute. Build a building, build a unit then send them to the enemy. Right click on the enemy unit and watch the shoot at each other for a while. Rinse and repeat until someone wins. No strategy or tactics. Everything is simplified and cinematic so you can jerk off while you play and you feel like your achieving something so you don't get frustrated or bored. If you lose its obviously because X is op, or the opponent is just loser who has no life.
>>268765095
Gladiators, Cat & Mouse, Impossible Scenarios, and that one custom game where you all pick champs and beat the fuck out of a huge map of zerg.
>>268765095
Oh and fucking zombie hotel and night of the living dead. Ghosts were so fucking legit as standard pistol/riflemen in the zombie games.
>>268774130
>Conveniently ignores territory influencing cover mechanics
>Special weapons
>Unit abilities
>Having to exert actual map control instead of just having workers collect crystals safely in your base
>Having to actually use most of the units in your roster instead of just spamming 1-2 units to try to end the match in 10 minutes.
>Matches boil down to actual tactics and overarching strategy, requiring thinking instead of just being nothing but spamming the same command 25 times in 3 seconds because 'muh APM'.
Yeah, nah. CoH may not be the most 'hardcore' game out there(Not that that actually means anything to anyone outside of /v/), but it's got way, way, way more going on than gookclick instead of HURR GAME IS GOOD BECAUSE IT ENDS QUICKLY 420 BLAZE IT MLG BRO. If you have to have 400 APM just to get to the 'fun' part of the game, the game is dogshit.
No one gives a shit about gookclick because gookclick exists almost entirely for people that play it for money, not fun.
fuck man I was playing that just moments ago...
I love to return to Starcraft BW and D2 once in a while (aka, playing one of them at least each year).
>>268770008
try it, it takes a bit to get running but once you do it's beautiful. And even more so now that you can choose to play either SC1 or SC2 music or both
SC 1 USE MAP SETTINGS GLORY DAYS PLAYING REDICULOUS, AMAZING,AND SOMETIMES JUST SHITTY CUSTOM MAPS. SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS ON THAT SHIT WITH FULL CAPSLOCK CUSTOM GAME CO-OP. also if you didn't like custom games the game itself was solid. Sc2 failed to succeed sc1 for me by fucking up the arcade, but it's still pretty fun to play I guess.
>>268770525
>delusional blizzdrone
>>268774943
CoH manages to be fun even when you're losing.
>"I'M GETTING FUCKING TIRED OF THIS SHIT
>"WE"RE ALL GOING TO DIE"
>"Jesus Conrad tie your FUCKING LACES
I fucking love gookclick, but damn if when you're behind the game doesn't fucking suck
>>268763037
>also sc1 has lots of problems with win 7.
I dont know about that. I play it on Win 8.1 and it works fine. Besides, why would you play it without the ICCup Launcher anyways?
>>268763787
>but you're like a million years late, sorry dude.
Thats like saying you wont enjoy Super Mario Bros. if you where to play it today.
Star Craft, just like Super mario bros, holds up even in this day and age of high end graphics plus is still hella fun to play. Don't be a faggot.
Does adding the expansion change anything drastic?
Like should i play SC first without the expansion? Or does it not change anything about the first campaign?
>>268779235
expansion got a whole new campaign, so you're going to do the first one without expansion stuff anyways. Also, BW is highly recommended for after.
>>268779235
>>268779493
UED best faction
>>268765332
I fucking loved "Save yourself" or something, which got me into bounds.
Then I tried SlimJim bound
Jezus fuck that shit is worse than Dark Souls.
It takes you by the balls and slams it between a piston, then tells you "go back to the start".
Fuck.
>>268762358
>i've never played one of the most popular pc games of all time before
Underage detected!
>>268765095
I miss them.
Also Poker D.
>>268774779
Marine Special Forces? (S.E. was the best).
Also Panzer_Kavalier was a god among mapmakers.
>>268763037
>sc2 is only bad if you were into bw in its glory days.
that's a lot of people anon.
>>268762358
campaign becomes hard a shit as you progress to the later protoss levels, might aswell just take a look at the campaign on youtube cuz that shit is frustrating to play
>>268784191
>Turtle
>Build 12 carriers
>win
Brood War is worst though. Just try to get the bonus mission.
>>268764102
>artificial graphics
uhhh...what?
I never even played multiplayer much other than with friends at lan parties / net cafes
SC has one of the GOAT rts campaigns
Although i'm one of those people that still enjoyed the SC2 campaign despite its many flaws
>>268784432
The SC2 campaign was pretty fun, the mission were thought out pretty well.
It's just that the story is a clusterfuck of shit and isn't about galactic warfare and backstabbing alien hybrid bitches, but amout muh waifu kerrigan
>>268784623
SC1 was Alien vs predator boogaloo
>>268783854
not op, but I also didn't play SC back in the day. RTS games didn't interest me back then. I was more into the FPS genre. Back then it was the glory days of PC first person shooters. Quake, Counter-strike, Unreal Tournament.
It wasn't until more recent when I finally played SC. It's awesome and I regret not trying it back then. No loss really, cause personally its more of a game I enjoy for the campaigns and not for competitive play.
>>268784406
>>268764102
>artificial difficulty
>artificial fun
>artificial grafics
it keeps fucking happening
never change, /v/
Starcraft and Brood War campaigns are very enjoyable. Multiplayer is still very much alive, but it's rather hard to get into, especially if you're new to RTS games.
>>268784829
It's only active on ICCUP right?
>>268784743
Only game I regret to not have in it's glory day is Wow, I guess I will never live a mmo in it's glory day.
>>268784623
Yeah, mission design was good. I also really liked the way you could visit people on the Hyperion between missions. Added a lot to atmosphere and reminded me of Wing Commander III/IV.
But yeah, the mai waifu shit was retarded
>>268784941
i would think many people still play that trash.
Besides the best and only good thing about Wow is that South Park episode.
>>268784283
No wonder you thought the bonus mission was hard to get, you turtled every mission.
>>268780454
Dugalle is best terran.
>>268771601
Stfu with your balance whine. There's nothing wrong with widow mines except for a slightly oversized aoe.
Anyone know how the Wings of Liberty online scene is these days? As far as how active it is? Is it pretty dead or do a decent amount of people still play WoL?
This thread made me want to reinstall my SC2 but I don't have HOTS and don't really have the cash to drop on that right now
I never played multiplayer in SC or SC 2 and Starcraft I is still my favourite game. I think both games have good campaign that are totally worth playing.
>>268785884
Only $20 now, and supposedly if you party with someone with hots you can play like you had hots.
>>268785986
I can confirm spawned accounts work like that. I bump my friend to HotS when we party together.
>>268785976
same here.
Actually, I did played the multiplayer, but just with friends.
>>268786692
>>268785976
>only played campaign on SCBW and SC2
seriously? people do this? i hardly played either campaign. in my opinion SC multiplayer was what made it so great. SCBW was such a perfectly balanced competitive game. Though i personally found the campaign boring as hell, but then again that's after i had been playing strictly multiplayer for a while.
>>268765095
>gone in 60 seconds games
>races
>other RPGs
Lurker Defense was such a statisfaction.
There's no other game where you feel the strength of seeing a spine rip through mulitple zerglings.
