>Fun is a social construct
You can't make this shit up.
This dude's honestly more wacko than Jack god-damned Thompson.
He's right though, you average IQ pleb.
>>267544404
>>267544404
Are you a fucking idiot? Jonathan is right.
>>267544404
Dude is pretentious as fuck.
"Fun" is literally a social construct. The Aztecs enjoyed trying to throw severed heads through hoops, niggers enjoy drawing on walls, English people enjoy kicking balls while Americans throw them. I disagree with the "political dimension" statement however, politics itself is elaborate lie designed to distract simpletons from the truth. Sometimes, things just are the way they are.
>>267545185
>politics itself is elaborate lie designed to distract simpletons from the truth
What truth? What are you even talking about?
Sounds like he's saying "fun is a buzzword" that's literally /v/'s opinion.
>>267545461
>he doesn't know
You lucky, ignorant bastard.
>>267545668
Go ahead, redpill me.
>>267545461
The truth about all things. There is a reality we can know and learn from and politics is the way people who want power try to distract people away from that. Don't think too hard about it, you'll only end up sad and frustrated with the world. Just go back to arguing over whether or not bombing people in a desert half the world away is a rational thing to do.
>>267545789
We're allliving in a snow globe
>>267545934
Then could the fucker please stop shaking it so hard? My head is killing me.
>>267545461
It's the usual, "if a politician or lawyer are speaking, they're lying" sentiment, which isn't untrue in the U.S. Most Politicians, regardless of side, are really only out for themselves and to make money for themselves, possibly for their associates, and do so under the guise of doing things for the people at large, with all manner of campaign promises that they don't fulfill, or only fulfill if they can somehow benefit, otherwise they're happy to screw over voters on a regular basis because 'contributors' that set them up for life after they get out of office for 'favors' while in office are their only actual concern.
Everything is a social construct.
>>267545914
*tips enlightenment*
>>267545461
>>267545668_________la___li___ lu___ le___lo_________
>>267544404
But fun isn't a fucking social construct. It's chemicals in you brain rewarding you for relaxing and doing shit to keep yourself occupied.
It's the fucking opposite of a social construct.
>>267545934
>>267544404
He's right, and you're just dim.
no.
fun is a biological construct to give you pleasure when you complete a task or goal
you are rewarded for meeting your biological needs
video games take advantage of this need to provide the same chemical high in a shorter time period with less effort
>>267544548
>>267544784
>>267545185
>>267546293
>>267546464
>>267545185
What things people find fun is a social construct, the actual feeling of having fun is not.
>>267546179
What I'm saying is that "politics" itself is constructed for the sole purpose of distraction. If attempts to create a narrative where nothing is true or false, morality is always grey and what some retarded majority who usually isn't composed of people who know anything about what they're voting about are correct. There's truth, and there's truth. There's debate, which seeks to come the correct conclusion through arguing principles and facts, and there's politics which attempts to cloud principles and facts and instead make the "truth" decided by nothing more than a popularity contest.
Food is a social construct.
>>267546434
How much is truly intrinsic, and how much is socially defined? Culturally created?
Why do you like what you like? What are you -able- to like? Ask yourself these questions, and keep doing do until you get more than your first answer.
>>267545185
>>267544404
But fun in it of itself is not a social construct. What things people find fun is. Every animal has a sense of "play" which is "fun" and makes us feel "good" via chemicals in the brain. WHAT we find fun is socially constructed.
>>267545185
>he Aztecs enjoyed trying to throw severed heads through hoops
They weren't severed heads you idiot. It was a ball made out of rubber.
>>267546434
>>267546657
Then why do certain types of people find certain things fun and others not
>>267546434
Yes, but what causes those chemicals to be released is very much dependent on social aspects.
Some things are fun for 99% of the population. Other things depend on society and culture.
Of course it ends up being about chemicals - everything does. But he's not saying that fun isn't related to what happens in the brain. He's saying that what constitutes as fun is related to social and cultural constructs.
>>267546657
Yet look at how different cultures form and function. The roles, what's viable, what's advantageous, and therefore, what is "fun", differs in all of them according to the needs of the organism in a given ecology.
Fun is as much acquired as it is intrinsic.
>>267546657
I bet slaves everywhere has tons of fun completing tasks.
>>267544404
gamerg8 will save us
>>267545914
Jesus, you're a depressing fedora idiot. There isn't one objective truth. You can try and explain the world in many different ways, by class warfare, imperialism, colonialist relations, culture, etc. but there isn't this truth you are talking about.
You're just a kid in their first semester of sociology of psychology that thinks he deciphered the world with just three lectures of his teachers.
I find running eight-13 miles/listening to freestyle rap/talking about existence on an almost daily basis fun. How have I been socially hypnotized, /v/?
>>267546818
perhaps people need to meet their needs in different ways
maybe the 'currency' differs
some people enjoy shopping and buying new things
some people enjoy making things
some people enjoy exploring
these questions are becoming bigger anon
>>267547110
How will a dead movement that did nothing but sling shit help anyone?
>>267546434
What releases those chemicals is a social construct.
>>267547194
>enjoys running
>enjoys niggernoise
>philosophy wanking
Who knows, you are really original. I can't think of anyone who enjoys this stuff.
>>267547280
...catharsis?
>>267547312
>Biology is a social construct
Holy fucking shit.
>>267544548
>Fun is a construct
>Doing an action to release dopamine that is not related to sex and eating is merely a social construct
You are a special type of stupid
>>267544404
>Fun is a social construct
I'm pretty sure we were saying this before it was cool.
"Everything is political"
Nope. Fucking nope nope nope. NOPE.
>>267547438
>No I don't need "nutrients"
>Food is a social construct
>>267547137
>You're just a kid in their first semester of sociology of psychology that thinks he deciphered the world with just three lectures of his teachers
Not the guy you're responding to, but read that back to yourself. As generic as it comes, how many times have you read the same thing from someone else, blanketed over anything they don't like?
Your attitude is laughable and shows a large amount of insecurity. Change that. You will feel better, and you'll say and tell yourself less dumb things in the future.
>>267547407
>niggernoise
Naw man. It's Eyedea. His discography is extremely relevant to this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1yPAEe4J8I
>>267547574
YOUR BLOODCELLS MOVE TO POLITICS
NOW PRAY TO OBAMA
>>267547659
>Naw man.
Why would you post a link proving him right when you disagree with him in your post?
>>267547574
Well instead of saying "nope" how about providing an actual rebuttal?
>>267544404
>faggots like this are trying to change video games
>the masses will never care because they hide behind "equal rights"
>>267546669
le shit nigger
>>267547438
Learn to read. The activities that release those chemicals are the social construct. The fact that some people find stuff fun that others don't, is a social activity, not a biological one.
>>267547803
>Why would you post a link proving him right
Because it's actually wiggernoise. You'd know if you actually listened you silly billy!
>>267547098
Freedom of self might be one of those needs they could never fulfill as a slave
so they'll hunger for it i guess
>>267546965
Most if not all social construct are based in biological needs
I'd say fun is rooted in that biology
but you're right it has to be learned to an extent
>>267544404
Daily reminder this guy thinks truth can be biased and shouldn't be told
>>267547639
>Your attitude is laughable and shows a large amount of insecurity.
prove it. Not just say "hurr you insecure." Show me your analysis of my attitude and my life through that post.
>>267547438
Dude, think about it.
When you're afraid your brain releases chemicals too. But some people would be afraid going past a group of black guys and other people wouldn't.
Why?
Culture and society has a lot to say about what we feel and why.
Sure, most of us would be afraid of fire or heights, since that's basic survival. But things like being afraid of speaking openly, afraid of standing out, afraid of the future, and so on are very much dependent on who you are and how your surroundings are.
>>267547815
No one cares because the farthest they've gotten was Bioware. Outside of indie devs that no one gives a shit about, social justice shit is rare in a video game.
>>267547858
that's so fucking stupid
>y-you only find it fun because other people do!
you are literally an idiot
>>267547701
THANKS OBAMA
>>267544404
what he's basically saying here is that 'fun' isn't objective. It is conditional and shaped by your interests, your history and by your social interactions.
You faggots are so hypersenstive you turn everything into an anti-SJW crusade.
pic ironically unrelated
>>267544404
Everything is a result of biology. The society's we build, how we categorize people, social classes, hierarchy's, greed. our animalistic nature.
These "social constructs" are built by biology - something innate in us. That's why when some pseudo-intellectual hispter liberal goes on about how "everything is a social construct" they should be laughed at, because they aren't digging deep enough into our roots as a species that causes the constructs to really take form and happen.
>>267547110
>>267547110
Reported.
>>267547659
Good point. I can't think of anyone who enjoys white people rapping. You are really original.
>>267544548
Pls no b8ing
>>267547438
I can't help but find it baffling what you people believe. How, how do you do it? How can your awareness be so skewed?
What, you really think you're walking around and just experiencing channels you were hardwired for since birth? Think back on a name for me, someone you really like, or someone you dislike. You will remember things, these associations will make you feel things. Was that programmed in from birth? Or... was it acquired...?
Branch that that thought out. See all the ways we're programmed by our culture and the stimuli and information we're around. We are created and defined by the affordances of our ecology working with the affordances of our own composition. It is that simple.
I hate to go in with insults like this, but for fuck's sake. I don't know why I read this nonsense so goddamn often. You're just pissed because he called it a "social construct", and hat term relates with stuff you don't like. So by association, you'll disagree. Because you haven't thought any of it out, and you sure as fuck haven't decoupled your biases and emotional inclinations from your judgements.
>>267548142
Agreed. Casuals are much worse for gaming than this stuff.
However, it's annoying that stuff like this gets attention and articles are written about it, while much bigger problems are going on.
I don't mind that some people focus on various aspects of vidya, but don't forget about the big problems staring right in our faces. But they do tend to forget them, since it's easier for everyone if nobody talks about it.
>>267544548
>>267544784
>>267545185
>>267546293
>>267546464
>these niggahs are allow to breathe my air
Fun is conditional.
>>267548519
>However, it's annoying that stuff like this gets attention and articles are written about it, while much bigger problems are going on.
Of course. Outside of the Kotaku/clickbait websites, no one takes them seriously though, which is a godsend.
>>267547639
>all that
>your just insecure
you sound the exact same
>>267547137
but all those things you mention can be boiled down to various power relations, you're saying there isn't one objective truth and then listing as proof different words for what is, at base, the same shit
>>267548275
Damn she has a punchable face.
>>267548275
Actually what he's saying is that fun isn't real and everything is political. He's saying that "the man" is holding you down and telling you what you should and shouldn't find fun. He's calling you a sheep for thinking video games should be fun.
You clearly don't know who he is.
>>267548286
biology is sexist. everyone is 100% the same
>>267544404
>implying video games are fun
>>267548639
god that is retarded
>>267548286
That's pretty retarded and it's a position even a biologist would laugh at. Through human history and across the world people have gone through a ton of different forms of organizing society, including extremely different approaches to "how we categorize people, social classes, hierarchy's, and greed". Generalizing your immediate social context as human nature is being a huge retard.
>>267548639
doom sure was an edifying experience.
not video games
>>267548494
>You're just pissed because he called it a "social construct", and hat term relates with stuff you don't like. So by association, you'll disagree. Because you haven't thought any of it out, and you sure as fuck haven't decoupled your biases and emotional inclinations from your judgements.
And this is how bigotry and pretty much every problem ever works.
Fun is a fucking human emotion. It. It's something humans inherently feel. There is absolutely no argument against that.
Dissing fun itself is very fun.
>>267548639
It's like they took those silly /v/ threads where they deride people simplistically saying a game is fun,
And then took it way to seriously.
>>267547813
There is nothing to refute since he has made nothing but an assertion. There's no argument.
>people writing all this text filling up this thread over a tweet
At this point i'd father have jack thompson back than dealing with feminazis and sjws
>>267548134
Not really...I'd say speaking openly (afraid of being killed for not fitting into the group) afraid of standing out (same as before) and fear of the future (the unknown, sickness, death ect.) are all pretty basic and pretty obviously biologically routed. I think it'd be hard to find humans that don't express these fears to at least some degree
>>267548639
But he kind of has a point. Saying a video game is "fun" has no actual depth to it; why was the video game fun?
Why is it fun to mow down demons in Doom? Why is it fun to run people over in GTA? etc.
>>267547813
I thought jumping on goomba's heads was fun as a 4 yr old. I didn't give a shit about politics as a 4 yr old.
Now that we all agree that fun is an unnecessary social construct, how do we remove fun from human beings?
>>267549176
I miss Uncle Jack.
>>267544404
>emotions are social constructs
This is probably a troll, but if it isn't he's a qualified sociopath.
>>267549158
Oh yeah that's right. My apologies.
Social Construct is a buzzword used by SJW's to try to appear smart and simultaneously dismiss everything their opponents have to say.
A social construct is best defined as a social category/mechanism created by society through cultural or social practice. Essentially it is a reflection of the actions of many groups of people. But the issue here when people bring up "social constructs" is so what? Yes, so particular hierarchies are "social constructs", what's the point in that little observation. They are stating the obvious but are clearly doing it in a dismissive way so as to handwave an argument out of the picture. Anything that is a "social construct" is magically invalid and can be dismissed by these pseudo-intellectual fucktards.
However fun is not a social construct, fun is a feeling/emotion one has when you are enjoying something which largely is caused by a release of dopamine during a pleasurable activity. In no way is that a social construct, however what is defined as "acceptable" forms of fun is a social construct. Jonathan is a retard.
>>267548639
I like how many in the comments criticize this article.
I think he means well, and some points are good, but he just goes a bit too far.
>>267548068
>And my life
There again, your little attitude at work. Your life is your own problem bud, I could infer and calculate out a spectrum of possibilities, but there's no real point. We're talking about your attitude as it appears here, don't try to change the subject.
If you can't respond to someone without some variation of "you're probably just some first year psych / philosophy student who now thinks they're hot shit blah blah blah." Just read that to yourself. What a bunch of lame garbage to substitute any kind of substance. It's the classic talking down to a perceived threat to elevate and detach yourself, or "Ad hominem" as the internet tend to refer to it.
Your attitude is based around authority, but also a fear of others who might possess an ability to see through you. You'd automatically assume anyone making some kind of argument along certain lines was being educated somewhere, which also shows quite a lot about you.
It can be hard, but everything you say, given limited knowledge of the context, suggests and reflects a massive amount on you. I've gotten away from all that, and this way of thinking in general. Anyway, you can figure it out on your own from here. If you care to, you will. If you don't, you won't. That's why abstract observations from others are useful, I don't know your life nor do I claim to know any deeper or true nature of you yourself. But I know what I see from my perspective, and now you do too.
Feminazis, SJWs and all other such cuntfaggots should be sent straight to the gas chambers they won't pass go so their descendants will not get their jewgolds back from the swiss.
>>267549378
Hes not a troll, hes Anita Sarkeesian's boyfriend. Hes simply dating someone that looks like a troll.
>Be at a party
>Bored beyond redemption
>Y U NO HAB PHUN
There is no fun switch, you can be entertained even just being alone doing something trivial like fixing your bike.
>>267549297
>But he kind of has a point. Saying a video game is "fun" has no actual depth to it; why was the video game fun?
That's true to an extent but the source of the quote is suspect. He wants certain things to be banned as "fun".
Censorship is unacceptable.
>>267549512
Oh my bad I didn't read the whole thang.
>>267548275
>pic ironically unrelated
Except that that guy is the one pulling Anita's strings.
>>267549452
>I think he means well, and some points are good, but he just goes a bit too far.
No, he doesn't mean well and neither does his cadre of faggots. They are not out to improve the games industry, they are out to convert it to their political/social agenda and want to use it to indoctrinate everybody. Video games that are simply "fun" are bad to these people as they do not fall in lockstep with their agenda.
>>267548369
Thanks I guess. Did you like the songs?
>>267549452
>I think he means well
No, he doesn't.
>>267549297
You don't understand the point of that quote. They aren't trying to make reviewers better by elaborating they are trying to get reviewers to stop focusing talking about "fun" in general. They don't want games to be games. They want games to be tools that are used to get people to believe the same things they believe.
>>267548494
we are experiencing things we were hardwired for since birth, and just because certain feelings are acquired, that does not make them less biologically rooted.
Taking your example, someone you really dislike. Were you hardwired from birth to dislike that particular person? No. However, you were hardwired to respond negatively to certain stimuli, including being physically harmed, having your power publicly undermined, humiliated ect. If a person causes you these feelings, you dislike them. How can you not see how these associations are biologically routed
>>267549429
Nailed it.
/v/ - sociology
>>267549767
I already listen to Eyedea & Abilities
>>267549512
He wants video games to have meaning and purpose to them instead of being mindless indulgences providing chemical stimulation to our evolved ape brains. That isn't wrong to have. For six console generation, Japan has held video games back with "fun" video games designed solely for "fun", while the world treated video games as a category of toys instead of the creative artistic medium that it truly is.
Its high time to take down this "fun" mentality and use video games as a tool to change lives.
>>267549378
Except that fun is not an emotion, it's a reaction. Those can be socially conditioned.
>>267544404
White men become leaders even of the movements that hate them. Do they even notice the irony?
>>267544404
Gas the SJWs, game wars now!
>>267549429
You're a cool guy, Anon.
>>267549905
>He wants video games to have meaning and purpose to them instead of being mindless indulgences providing chemical stimulation to our evolved ape brains. That isn't wrong to have. For six console generation, Japan has held video games back with "fun" video games designed solely for "fun", while the world treated video games as a category of toys instead of the creative artistic medium that it truly is.
>Its high time to take down this "fun" mentality and use video games as a tool to change lives.
No fuck off. I play games to enjoy myself, not to improve my life or anyone elses.
If he wants to do that let him put his own money on the line. Its a free market he can make his own games and see if they sell.
>>267549865
But you're ignoring the plasticity of the brain.
I was afraid of penises when I was little but now I can't stop sucking them.
>>267549896
Oh cool. While he may be "niggernoise", you might like Canibus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnDahBlh-g
>>267549245
>afraid of being killed for not fitting into the group
But why would some think they'd be killed? It depends on your situation, it's not a biological rule. People living in North Korea aren't feeling the same about speaking openly as people living in Spain.
Yes, the fear of getting killed is similar, but why is that fear there? Are the chances of getting killed equal everywhere?
It's the same with other feelings. People will feel uncomfortable about X, but not Y, while it's opposite in other countries/whatever.
People will be disgusted when seeing or thinking about X, but not Y.
Yes, it all boils down to chemicals, but they aren't released by the same things for everyone in the world.
>>267544404
dont even know who this fag is, and I hate em
/v/ - amateur sociology hour
this is even worse than having to listen to college freshmen all day
>>267549936
fun is not a reaction
>>267549905
I've felt this way for a while. But it gets to this point: You can't really tell someone how to live their lives because they have the right to live it as they see fit as long as they're not harming anybody.
On the grander scale however, producing schlock that doesn't do anything but allow people to escape from their lives is pretty harmful.
>>267550045
>No fuck off. I play games to enjoy myself, not to improve my life or anyone elses.
Video games can be more than just escapism though. Just the same way books, films, and music have done.
>>267545185
>throwing a ball through a hall
>drawing
>throwing, catching, and kicking balls
These are all things that many societies enjoy doing. I would argue that there are people from any society that could "have fun" doing these things.
This "Hospital" is just a social construct, therefore unreal.
Don't let them fool you, it's just brick and glass.
>>267549297
yes and no. 'Fun' is a completely objective experience yes, but there are still aspects of it which are common to many many people.
Doom was 'fun' for me because of the level design and music, gta because of consumer culture and the sandbox.
While these games won't be 'fun' for everyone it's reasonable to say something like 'if you like sandboxes or kickarse music chances are you will have a similar experience of 'fun' that I had.'
Let's say that it IS true. Even then it's not a compelling dynamic, considering it'd play such a minor role in your thought processes in enjoying something. It'd be background noise at best.
The only way this is true is for people like hyper sensitive liberals (or right wingers) to paint everything in stark political dynamics.
>>267550325
>On the grander scale however, producing schlock that doesn't do anything but allow people to escape from their lives is pretty harmful.
no it's not
EVERYTHING IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
MY PENIS SIZE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
THEREFORE, I NOW HAVE A BIG FUCKING DICK
>>267550293
Hey, I want you to know something. You didn't say a single thing of substance with this post. I just wanted you to know that.
>>267548519
It isn't interesting when websites report on real problems. Kotaku published articles about how Watch_Dogs was deliberately gimped on PC, for example, but we ignored them because lol Kotaku
>>267550325
>Video games can be more than just escapism though. Just the same way books, films, and music have done.
And so what? We don't do that by censoring what we don't like or trying to control narrative and creation. We do that by creating ourselves.
So this guy and you can fuck yourselves with iron rods and take your spiel somewhere else.
Otherwise get off your sorry ass and make something.
>>267550139
I listen to that as well, Rip the Jacker is a dope album. Nigga has mad vocabulary.
>>267548275
he is right, but the reason for him making this point is to imply that ideas of fun most held are somehow illegitimate due to being a product of social development, and that somehow his idea of what should be present in videogames (fun or not) is somehow superior.
hes just like every 'I know best, dumb proles' commie who will then gripe because no one is interested in playing some point and click game about sexual abuse of transsexuals
>>267548639
I let this happen.
All these years of calling fun a buzzword has paid off.
>>267549429
You're not totally wrong, but he isn't saying that fun isn't about chemicals.
He's saying that "ideas of what constitutes as fun" is a social construct.
That's the step before the chemicals are released. That's part of the "acceptable fun" that you mention.
>>267550310
You're right. Fun just happens spontaneously our of nowhere.
It's never a reaction to events.
>>267550387
*subjectivefun
>>267550434
>no it's not
It distracts people from what's important. Not even specific to video games, but a lot of stuff like genre fiction.
>>267544404
That is 100% correct though
Wish the mods would delete this thinly veiled gamergate bullshit thread.
>>267550458
>of substance
there we go again
>>267550438
You were always big enough for me, Anonymous~
>>267544404
>Pseudo intellectual looking for things that aren't there and trying to sound philosophical
People like this should just die.
They are coming for your violent vidya now, /v/.
Not even Mario is safe.
>I'm not in any way a product of my experiences and therefore of the society I live in - I'm a special unique snowflake who's in complete control of my personality and I would be exactly who I am now no matter when or where I was born! That said, I sure do love sucking millions of cocks!
Wow OP, that was really eloquent.
he's not wrong, but trying to "politicize" video games is stupid. when will these so called activists realize that there are real problems in the world that need addressing? video games isn't one of them.
>>267550564
There's nothing wrong with it.
>>267550564
But what is important, Anon?
>>267550532
It's not a reaction. You don't know what reaction means if you think it's a reaction.
>>267550632
>I disagree or don't get it
>it must be them fake smart fellas and their fancy talk!
>>267549865
I'm not sure why you're disagreeing when we're saying the exact same things. The body is composed of a spectrum of affordances, that is, a finite number of possible experiences and reactions. But the nature of, associations, pathways leading to and perception of, etc, those underlying core capacities, and the greater whole, is acquired.
For example. I have a chronic pain condition. I can guarantee you my perception of pain is much different than yours. Pain's very nature, implication, and underlying basis is really... irrevocably altered. I can't ever go back, even though I know there are other it can be. This is a construct, it was acquired. And you know... I've even learned to have "fun" with it... because of it. There's a certain beauty to having your mind be gone, and taken over by a haze of adrenaline and disorientation. There's something in the experience of recovery that some deep part of myself gets off on, it can feel useful, and therefore, it feels good. I was not born with this. It was very much constructed via experience.
Likewise, some people have fun killing. Hunting, etc. I don't. I actually don't like any of it one bit, and it's because I was raised neutrally and not around it.
The list just goes on. What we perceive as fun is not entirely hardwired. Nothing high level and abstract is, language plays a heavy role in that. This is part of what made us so successful as a species.
>>267550642
Goooood.
This worked fantastically for mr thompson
>>267546434
Abandon thread, biotruthers inbound.
And honestly, that happens because of a socially constructed subconcious tic, example: western "gamers' find violent games "fun" because their whole life they are taught "MURDER KILL HOLOCAUST DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY" bullshit.
The stimulus is the construct, the reaction is the biological.
>>267550754
tweeting about social issues, of course. That's what's real and true. join the slacktivist cause today!
>>267550642
All this time Jack just needed a vagina, and people would have listened.
>>267550564
A lot of "important" things should be ignored. Most problems are solved if you just wait for them to be over.
Imagine a kid before an operation playing videogames, and another one completely isolated ruminating on his head.
One will be relaxed and the other paranoid from overthinking what is about to happen. And that anxiety is completely meaningless.
Distractions have their place in society.
>>267550467
Yeah, I guess it's the same everywhere.
People prefer their news to be entertaining instead of informing.
And it's a shame, since vidya is a billion dollar industry and we really should be taking it more seriously.
But both press and publishers prefer it if we don't. That makes their life much easier and keeps the money rolling in.
>>267550808
>Making assumptions
>Implying i don't argue shit like the baseball gloves symbolize Lemonheads homosexual desires to be the catcher for everyone he meets.
Its fun to mess with people but hes looking for shit that isn't there.
>>267550564
>he thinks distractions prevent people from seeing the real issues
Good thing you don't run a 24/7 news network because it would bomb pretty fast. Most people do not give a shit about "problems" until they are imminent. Assuming that the possession and repurposing of the liberal arts towards a social objective is communist in thought and repressive in approach.
>>267550687
There's nothing wrong with millions upon millions of individuals indulging their own vices which distract them from the issues of millions upon millions of others in poverty/lacking in proper health when in fact if the millions upon millions doing the indulging actually decided to help the other millions upon millions who are impoverished would be doing a whole lot better?
Well fuck me.
>>267550884
It's a different approach. Anita and her SJW army are not going to tackle it via the legal system.
They're going to focus on pressuring publishers and developers themselves. And if you disagree? You're a misogynist.
>>267550912
>biotruthers buzzword
>'western games blah blah blah'
uh no dipshit everyone all over the world finds these things fun. conflict is fun, especially in virtual format where no one is getting hurt
>tops it all off with pretentious bullshit
thanks for stopping by
>>267548639
That makes absolutely no fucking sense a tall. Is he voicing displeasure at the word "fun" because it's not directly "Intellectual"? Want alternatives? Okay.
The game itself is amusing, diverting, tantalizing, it encompasses every pore of body to pure ecstasy. My mind boggles at the graphic improvement and the juggle physics of a 2D girl.
>>267550642
Yet Gone Homo the game they praise has no real conflict and doesn't force you to deal with anything. JUST LIKE THEIR OWN MADE UP PROBLEMS!
>>267549905
I fully agree that video games can be more than just toys, and I support people that want to make their video game have intellectual meaning.
What I DON'T support are people telling others how to make their games. If you have a problem with a certain demographic not being represented, make a fucking game representing them.
Even worse is using influence to alter the market toward your ideals. Boosting sales through advertisement is one thing, so long as you're not fucking tied to the group being advertised at all. If you are fucking say so when you publish.
Getting your friends to pass a game through awards shows, though, is a fucking garbage thing to do, though.
>>267550965
>Distractions have their place in society.
Certainly. I don't doubt that in the least. We're reaching a point however where it's getting ridiculous, what with the whole gap between the wealthy and the poor widening every day, the fact that in California there are schools which only pay 5 grand per student and others that pay 25 grand and then we're expected to believe everybody has an equal chance in this country etc.
>>267551134
>Gone Home
>game
What about the fact that they showed studies where newborns with basically no life experience and teaching has shown signs of understand humor, betrayal, love, hate and justice in psychological tests?
Why does it rattle these people so much if these things may be innate in humans or even biological?
>>267551057
>Competitive things increase aggressive behaviors
>Things with chances to fail unless you use critical thinking increase aggressive behavior
Has he ever looked at sports fans? Video game fans are tame in comparison to that shit that causes riots WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN FUCKING PLAYING!
>>267544404
He is right about fun being a construct influenced by society though. He is also right about it having a political dimension.
But he is wrong about that dimension needing to have any fucking relevance.
>>267551057
what consensus
>>267550642
>inappropriate responses
huh?
>if you don't jump on a goomba they will walk into you and kill you
I think the violent response is appropriate in that situation.
>tfw the tumblrinas have come and are staying on /v/ for good
>>267550642
I hate this attitude.
Why do game designers need to consider the message their games send?
They're not responsible for what people have to think. You can't fucking blame games, or TV or comics or roleplaying games, for what people think.
Take some fucking responsibility if you think it's a problem. Avoid it and forbid your kids to use it.
It's always about pointing outwards for these people, about figuring out who and what to blame.
>>267550925
But that's a problem too. Facebook and Twitter have made it so someone can just post about an issue to their friends and then they feel fulfilled somehow without actually doing anything.
>>267550508
he makes no claim of illegitimacy in this post, I think he is trying (however hamfistedly) to pass comment on the nature of 'fun' itself.
He might technically be correct in some sense, but:
1: it's not really worth debating (if you don't understand 'fun' reading a sociology paper on it won't help you) and
2: examing video games from this kind of mindset does nothing to improve games themselves or the discussion surrounding games.
>>267551079
>conflict is fun, especially in virtual format where no one is getting hurt
No, you're taught that by being bombarded with violence fetishization your whole fucking life.
THATS THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, FUCKFACE.
A well adjusted individual does not find conflict fun, that's the sign of the brainwashed or psychopathic.
>>267551354
>what consensus
MISOGYNY!!!!! EVERYONE THIS ANON IS HARASSING ME!!
The problem is that all of this means nothing. You aren't going to change jack shit because you aren't a developer. You aren't even making any tangible suggestions and reasoning other than "I want it"
What their idea of fun is different from ours.
>>267551057
It still won't work. Video Game Violence is a loaded topic that will backfire on whoever brings it up.
>>267551308
Well i know its not a game i was just trying to be facetious friend.
>>267551096
Is he actually trying to say this will make people equate kissing with sneaking up and murdering someone? Or is he just being a cunt to make a clickbait article?
>>267551384
>implying it's anything but gamergate faggots false flagging because they are mad as fuck they got kicked to ripoff-chan
But what if you actively shun society and escape to games precisely to not be dragged down by real world politics?
Plenty of gamers do that. Not everyone drags real life drama to gaming.
>>267551360
No you don't get it, there is nothing morally wrong with being killed. Check your life privilege.
>>267550158
Think back to the last time you were in a group of people you didn't know all that well and gave an opinion which created tension in the group, possibly humiliating you or causing you to be outcast from the group. Didn't it feel pretty bad? That's what I mean. Not so much a conscious fear of 'if I say this, the regime will imprison me', but a deeper, unconscious response. Maybe this does differ depending on culture though, certainly you're right that some things do. I would imagine these sorts of responses to social situations to be pretty deeply ingrained, but maybe not.
>>267550478
My man. What else you listen to? Been meaning to add to my library for my runs.
>>267551057
It's funny who this keeps getting mentioned, yet no study has been able to prove it.
>>267551429
>A well adjusted individual does not find conflict fun, that's the sign of the brainwashed or psychopathic
All of life is conflict and suffering anon. You have no argument.
>>267551429
no, actually. its fun because it is a game. like sport, it needs conflict. cultures from all over the world enjoy these games, not just 'western' ones (of course we have to take a stab at the west whenever possible)
>thats the social construct!
no, you silly goose. social construct is not a magical phrase that makes things go away.
>>267551057
Literally anything on those studies is an "agressive behavior" I've read them, and most of them couldn't find an increase in things like kicking hitting, or anything physically violent. What they refer to are things like increase in heart rate or volume of speech.
>>267551575
>>267551623
BTFO NERDS
>>267551029
>he says this while on 4chan
go do something REAL, anon. Maybe someone will take your example and follow you ;^)
>>267551429
>a well adjusted individual does not find conflict fun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_wars_by_date
Since when? This is a pretty long list bud.
>inb4 "edgy"
I'm not saying that conflict is good or moral. I'm just saying that as a species we have been engaging in conflict since time immemorial. If you think that will ever stop, or that it can be chalked up to how people spend their free time is fucking stupid.
Technically everything has an effect on the construct of society for the most part. What is his fucking point? That he and his little third wavers with their made up problems should get to decide what the construct is? Or that law/construct shouldn't exist at all?
I know the end game is obviously their "We get to make the rules." kind of nonsense. Besides the ones that are just in it for the money like him.
>My psychologist thinks that race isn't a real thing and that it's simply a social construct
>He thinks that IQ tests are racist
On the other hand
>He is anti-Israel and thinks it is an illegitimate state
Do I drop him or stick with him? I'm so conflicted.
>>267551669
What a right pretentious cunt.
I'm sorry for ever discussing this seriously.
>>267551604
>All of life is conflict and suffering anon. You have no argument.
I have no argument because of a baseless, sweeping rumination on the nature of life from some shitheel on pedochan. Okay duder.
>>267551669
>it increases aggression!
>lol silly nerds thats not the same thing as violence
okay. so whats the point of this? if my son plays too much duke nukem will he turn into an investment banker?
>>267551029
>There's nothing wrong with millions upon millions of individuals indulging their own vices
You're right, there isn't. Now fuck off.
>distract them from the issues of millions upon millions of others in poverty/lacking in proper health when in fact if the millions upon millions doing the indulging actually decided to help the other millions upon millions who are impoverished would be doing a whole lot better?
Consider this. If those millions upon millions of people were individuals who truly cared, would they not do something? Yes they fucking would. But they don't, meaning they don't care and no amount of shoehorning in stupid messages is going to do shit.
Either way none of that matters considering that the true way of helping people is through economic means, and by that I mean in the classic Adam Smith sense where you increase productivity thereby reducing prices/cost of living and increasing the standard of living. This is what has enriched human society more than any caremongering cause. The industrial revolution did more to help society than activists did in the entirety of human history.
>mfw retarded activists/SJWs try to talk shit about industry anywhere near me
>>267551564
I've been looking for new shit to look for for ages, but I'll drop a few here.
>Killer Mike & El-P
>Cannibal Ox
>The Jacka
>Flatbush Zombies
>Aceyalone
>Freddie Gibbs
>>267551669
>Any aggression is a bad thing
this guy
like all communists he finds plenty of problems but no real solutions of any use
Why do these shitheads think gamers never think deeply about what games represent? Gamers have been doing that since the 80s.
"primitive level"? What the fuck does that mean?
>>267551149
100% agree with you, Anon.
>>267551763
He probably hates Israel for all the wrong reasons. "muh poor muslims din do nuffin" or something.
Drop him anyway.
You can't deny it, /v/. It's time for videogames to grow up.
>>267551825
>I have no argument because of a baseless, sweeping rumination on the nature of life from some shitheel on pedochan. Okay duder.
So you prove your lack of argument by resorting to name calling. Classy.
>>267551669
Doesn't this basically mean they can't use "video games teach misogyny" now?
>>267551693
>he says this while on 4chan
Yes, yes. I'm well aware of the irony.
>go do something REAL, anon. Maybe someone will take your example and follow you ;^)
Well I'm on my way to medical school so there's that. Then probably kill myself after ten years of doctoring because it's all fruitless in the end. You can't eliminate all suffering, and a large part of life is knowing that.
>>267551763
>anti-israle
all dipshit liberals are anti-israle
>>267551429
yes they do, except in actual life or death situations
hence, 'virtual'
thanks for playing, fuckface
>>267551354
it's THE scientific consensus
>>267551898
'aggression' and competitiveness is what helped mankind great actually.
I just don't understand what the third waver want. Do they want vegetable people with no ambition? You can't have ambition without aggression. It's not possible.
>>267551763
Talk to him about the problems you go to him to and nothing else. Don't engage in such topics with SJW retards. They can still be productive people just not worthy of small talk/intelligent debates.
>>267552035
>Do they want vegetable people with no ambition?
yes because they sit quietly and do their work without making a fuss
>>267551960
No, he hates them because they are hypocrites that manipulate the United States in to being their bitch. It's not just "muh muslims". He agrees that they just use the Holocaust as an excuse to commit atrocities on the same level as Hitler/Himmler.
>>267551440
stand your ground against these fucks *nods respectfully toward you*
>>267550947
the thing is, jack tompson mainly attacked retailers giving m rated games to young kids. this isnt a horrible thing. now we just have this idea that all games should be made for kids
>>267551998
>israle
Israel*
>>267551829
>if my son plays too much duke nukem will he turn into an investment banker?
Fucking hell anon, now I just remembered that level.
>>267551982
I had a very clear argument, the enjoyment of violence is a social construct.
You had that pathetic attempt at making a deep statement that had no relevance to the argument at all.
Do you normally quote linken park albums during debate?
>>267552035
I'll list what they want
1) To become some sort of Chomsky-esque intellectual figure
2) To appear as if they are BTFOing someone in a debate
3) To conjure up problems that they then have to martyr themselves for
4) To be legitimately oppressed by something
>>267551967
Pretty sure people think of crime and war before video games when it comes to violence. Sure video games are violent but not all of them are. Violence is just one of the easiest forms of conflict to work with it also has more depth then alot of foundations depending on how you do.
>>267552145
>>267552035
Ambitious men are the biggest threat to social structure and government status quo today, as they always have been since they are at the forefront of any revolution
>>267551561
I agree.
But like I said, some stuff is deeply ingrained in all of us, like group dynamics or uneasiness in dark/unknown locations or fear of death.
Other stuff is about our society, experience, etc.
The same actions will not create tension in every culture.
I think you need to take a step back and think about what triggers the emotion. Yes, we can all feel tense by fucking up in a group. But what causes the fuck-up is very much dependent on culture/group/etc.
It's not feeling fear or fun or embarrassment that's important here. It's what triggers it.
>>267551149
>What I DON'T support are people telling others how to make their games. If you have a problem with a certain demographic not being represented, make a fucking game representing them.
>If you have a problem with black people not getting public transportation, make your own black only bus service.
Thats what you're sounding like right now, you close minded piece of shit. These corporations that pander to Western manchildren, violent boys out of control, and Japanese pedophiles need to be stopped. And we're the only ones that can stop them by forcing these companies to stop producing derisive and offensive material in the name of "fun".
>>267552190
>Do you normally quote linken park albums during debate?
Who the hell is linken park?
It is perfectly relevant because conflict and reaction to it drives people to be human.
Suffering is what drives change, to move is to suffer or cause suffering as you'll eventually need to consume to refuel your biological machine shell.
Simple shit.
the problems with these people is that they fancy themselves intellectuals who are above games like dark souls or devil may cry.
they want games that push social issues or deal with sociopolitical ideologies because they think that will push the medium into the ream of intellectualism.
they don't want games to be about challenge or gameplay.
Why my hobby? Why videogames?
Why can't normies just leave us alone. It's okay if they enjoy them, hell I don't care if they want to start making a difference in them and make their own games or do whatever. But why is it that people who claim to play videogames in one breath can refer to everyone who plays videogames as a manchild in the very next sentence. It's ridiculous.
It makes me wonder if they ever cared at all, since now they're all trumpeting that "games are dead, gamers are dead, oh woe is me" for very minor reasons.
I don't like this at all. I feel like there's someone to blame for all of this but I doubt blaming would help at this point. I guess I just have to move on to a new hobby.
Literally everything is a social construct, it's a meaningless way to try and discredit something at this point.
>>267552318
I like you anon
>>267544404
But that's true. What's fun for you isn't fun for other people
>>267550812
But if the basics, the possible reactions, are hardwired, how can the outcome be something we are not hardwired towards? Taking pleasure in recovery, adrenaline, ect. all seem like fairly straightforward, beneficiary adaptations to me
>Removing conflict as a whole in videogames
Conflict is why we exist.
Just by merely EXISTING we are in conflict of something.
To remove conflict from the equation is to embrace the void and become dust.
SJWs are so cancerous that everything they say is ultimately the most insult shit in the world. They keeping saying social construct like everything that might influence you is a subconscious subliminal message. This is not the case things influence you because you allow them and allow them to build upon the character you have as a person. Ultimately what you allow in builds upon how you were raised and your choices afterwards most of the time.
SJWs are all white upper class hedge fund faggots so they're raised like plain vanilla their whole lives. Which is why they orchestra fake oppression to be their "character" and because nothing has every forced them to build character upon themselves they think everything isn't a choice for people 99% of the time.
The feeling of fun is a biological fact.
The calling of naming that feeling fun is a social construct.
>>267552430
People having an opinion on things is impossible to stop.
>>267552340
>>If you have a problem with black people not getting public transportation, make your own black only bus service.
I really don't see any problem with this. As long were on this front how about we bus them straight back to africa.
>>267552523
that sounds great. Sign me up for the whole "becoming dust" thing.
>>267552430
>implying 'normies' give a shit about your hobby while playing Call of Duty, Madden, and FIFA all day
Its the loud and obscene minority you should be bitching about.
>>267552340
bait/10
Even still, I know retarded SJW's actually believe this. The difference between Rosa Parks and now is that the government was involved forcing segragation, the government is not involved in forcing video game developers to make sexy women.
>mfw retarded ignorant SJWs spout misinformed views of history anywhere near me
>>267552340
>comparing making video games to producing mass transit
also, fuck you, the things you mentioned aren't what is wrong with games.
>>267551669
It's not totally wrong, but he's clearly twisting it.
Video games can create "aggressive" thoughts, in the same way as play-fencing with sticks or playing football can. It's competitive, it makes the mind work a bit like you're being boisterous.
It does NOT mean that you become a more aggressive or violent person by playing vidya, any more than you do by watching an action film or play fighting with your friends.
>>267551835
>You're right, there isn't.
Where do you find this reasoning, anon?
>Now fuck off.
What was the point in saying this? Do you honestly believe because you say this I'll somehow go away? Please, don't be such an imbecile.
>But they don't, meaning they don't care and no amount of shoehorning in stupid messages is going to do shit.
Yes. I know. I think a lot of people know this already. You seem to be arguing that it's okay though, which puzzles me.
> The industrial revolution did more to help society than activists did in the entirety of human history.
For the guys who owned the means of production oh hell yeah.
>the true way of helping people is through economic means, and by that I mean in the classic Adam Smith sense where you increase productivity thereby reducing prices/cost of living and increasing the standard of living
Aye, I agree. The problem now becomes a lot of the old jobs, i.e. manufacturing, are now being replaced by automations. Schools now need to push to have coding classes now so the next generation can code those automations and keep 'em running. Now factor in god knows how many schools in the United States and other countries cannot afford to have coding classes. They cannot afford it, because people are too lazy to mail to their congressman to fund the school for x reason etc.
>>267552214
Do they not realize how harmful it is, or are they such misanthropes and don't give a shit?
>>267552476
It's exactly as you said. They're adaptations, and they're hardly natural tendencies. My life and environment caused these reactions to take place, they wouldn't happened otherwise.
I'm not saying that underlying spectrum of possible feelings is necessarily changed or expanded. I am saying what triggers them and what they are to a person can be called a social construct, to an extent. Fun is definitely something that can.
>>267552523
This. Conflict isn't a social construct its a construct of nature itself. Pic very related.
>>267552430
what? just keep on being an actual gamer and not playing 'call of modern killfighting 3: protecting freedoms and foreign oil edition' and leave the normies to their garbage entertainment.
>>267552430
>Why can't normies just leave us alone. It's okay if they enjoy them, hell I don't care if they want to start making a difference in them and make their own games or do whatever. But why is it that people who claim to play videogames in one breath can refer to everyone who plays videogames as a manchild in the very next sentence. It's ridiculous.
SJWs are not normies. Normies don't give a shit about politics, or if they do it's something along the lines of moderate politics.
These people are fucking extremist hipsters, not normalfags. If you look into their personal lives you will find that they are far from normal, and if anything are suffering from mental illness.
>>267548639
>literally no fun allowed
>>267552430
>I feel like there's someone to blame for all of this
>>267552395
What does this have to do with being entertained by righteous genocide?
Or teaching kids to be entertained by slaughter of other human beings?
Are you really asserting because of your perception of the human condition as some form of eternal torment, it's somehow okay it ingrain a celebration of torment, conflict and suffering in our culture?
You need to lay off the pessimist literature. You sound like some anime badguy wannabe.
>>267551849
Thanks man. Enjoy your evening/day!
>>267552340
Not quite a 1-1 analogy, Anon. Black people can still ride the bus. The bus might be playing fucking country music and full of white guys, but there's nobody telling the black guy to not ride the bus.
also
>we're
>>267552523
What would you even do without conflict? Even nothing games like gone home and dear esther have a conflict that needs to be resolved.
>>267544404
SOCIAL CONSTRUCT IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
#REKT
