Is it marketing or "honest" character slot?
>>267497104
clearly marketing for Xenoblade 3DS and X
he's literally who
Both. New Nintendo IP, and getting it exposure. Better than Roy advertising his game by being a waste of space.
>>267497104
>Only new character-based IP of the Wii era
>each new installment of Smash focuses on celebrating the previous gen
>Shulk
>ever not getting in
I said it from the start, he was always a shoe-in. XCX or not.
Marketing
Not that I'm complainingin this particular instance.
Is he from Xenoblade or XenoGear?
Both, he is a first party character from an unrapresented serie that was requested in japan and even here by some people, and he is always perfect in this period in order to promote the other games.
Smash is basically a marketing ploy, anyway.
>>267497227
He turned out to be pretty neat tho
Some cool attacks, able to give himself buffs, a swordfighter who isn't a marth clone again. Better than Lucina.
Who cares?
Sakurai stated that he already had the characters planned.
>>267497361
Xenoblade, has almost nothing to do with other Xeno_____ games except for having the same director.
What's up with all the Shulk hate nowadays?
Roy was just marketing, Shulk is both
Marketing to sell more New Nintendo 3DS
>US fans create Operation Rainfall to localize this game among others
>when it finally comes out, it's regarded as one of the best Wii games out and one of the best action RPGs ever
>"HURR LITERALLY WHO IS IN SMASH"
I will never understand you people.
Both.
He is from Nintendo's new RPG series, and gives the chance for new IPs to get representation.
The game was liked in Japan and got a lot of exposure in the US due to Project Rainfall.
But he got an unique moveset with a great gimmick, which means he wasn't just forced in.
>>267497613
Operation Rainfall was surprisingly niche. That's why Gamestop only got like one shipment of the game.
>>267497613
It was a long time ago, and let me tell you, most people on /v/ just don't care about JRPGs, considering it's weab shit and complaining about that.
Marketing. I say this as someone who loves Xenoblade; it has not earned a Smash rep yet. He's just in the game so that when the New 3DS comes out and only has one game (the Xenoblade port), kids will look at it and go "I know that guy! He's the guy from Smash who won't shut his fucking mouth and stop shouting 'ASS RASH'! I want it!"
I
I dunno
>>267497104
"Honest"? Jigglypuff set the bar for out of the fucking blue characters, at least Shulk's the presumed star of his own game.
Marketing, but don't forget that Xenoblade came out in Japan in 2010 and they went nuts for it.
>>267497613
Yeah, because people got their hands on it and realized it was a single-player MMO with shitloads of fetch quests.
>>267497861
Jigglypuff was ultra popular in Japan. Back in the day, she was just a little less popular than Pikachu.
>>267497567
Does Chronicles X have anything to do with regular Chronicles besides monado clip ariel
>>267497920
>they went nuts for it.
>sold only 180k units
yeah no, it bombed there
>>267497104
Someone has to be there to represent Monolith soft now that they're on the same development level as game freak.
I don't know
Is Olimar in Brawl a marketing plot or honest character slot?
>>267497861
>Jigglypuff
>out of the fucking blue
>>267498012
There are also Nopons in X, but the devs said it was a different "world".
Of course, if you finished Xenoblade, you'd know it being in a different "world" doesn't mean it can't be the same one from Xenoblade at the end.
>>267498012
No, it has an evolved combat system and stuff, it's a spiritual successor set in another universe.
Like how the FF are never connected
>>267498012
Even though the surreal landscapes of the two look sopmewhat similar and they both share the Nopon race, they're supposed to be separate universes.
>>267497104
He's basically Lucas's replacement as the "maybe the faggot fans will shut the fuck up if we just throw him in there" character.
>captcha: silent waronign
sakurai pls nerf shulk sword range
>>267497332
What is wii fit trainer?
>>267497104
Bit of both. However he's an interesting character that's fun to play.
Roy was a bigger marketing character, and he was awful in both games.
>>267497710
>an unique
Learn to grammar, you fucking faggot. I had my brain hemorrhage reading this.
>>267498142
It really cannot be the same one from the end of xenobladeat best it could be a prequel
The nopons are like the moguri or the chocobos
>>267498236
Shulk doesn't need a nerf, he has a long range but his smash attacks are so slow it balances out. You can see it coming from a mile awayI should know it's why I can't main him
>>267497104
Both. He was one of the most wanted characters in Smash next To K. Rool and the purple dragon, and he's just marketing for the New 3DS
>>267497613
I come here because I expect people to know all games. When I hear people saying "literally who" as an argument it just makes /v/ look like a bunch of casuals who dont know anything beyond the mario and halo.
I honestly think it's just Sakurai being glad that a new Nintendo IP is going somewhere. I remember in his post about All-Star mode in Brawl about how disapointed he was in the time gap between when Pikmin was created and the next oldest series (Pokemon, I think), and how there really hasn't been anything since Pikmin either.
>>267497104
After what Sakurai said about "no characters who don't have a future," the whole fucking thing is marketing.
His inclusion makes sense.
>His game was highly praised
>Successor on the way
>Actually a Nintendo character
I never played Xenoblade, but it's nice to see someone like him get in, build some attention on lesser known Nintendo games so they don't have to constantly ride on Mario to do everything.
>>267498020
It bombed but japanese smashfags couldn't shut up about Shulk in Smash since forever.
>>267497861
>Jigglypuff
>Out of the fucking blue
Jigglypuff is part of the original 12. Stop being retarded, the original 12 will never be removed.
>>267498437
Xenoblade does have future though, Shulk is not in, but even Marth is not in FE anymore.
Monolithsoft was also the only subsidiary of Nintendo who lacked a rapresentation.
>Marketing a game he isn't even in
>People calling Roy marketing when Sakurai chose him over Leif for his fire based attacks
>Implying characters only make it in Smash for marketing purposes which is why Snake and Duck Hunt got in
>>267498252
>character based IP
I was about to say wii fit and miis myself but then I re-read it
Half-marketing for the N3DS remake and XCX, half-earned since he's from a first-party Nintendo developer and from a critically acclaimed game.
I'm not complaining either way, since at least they gave him a very unique playstyle, unlike fucking Roy.
>>267498535
It actually sold way more than expectations, it sold enough for a sequel being made and given a much bigger budget
I want to know why Shulk appears next to the 3rd party reps in the roster.
>>267497104
What the fuck why isn't Shulk green, a brunette, female, and 2 feet taller?!
>>267498437
>"no characters who don't have a future"
>Kid Icarus: Uprising not slated to get a sequel
>Three KI reps anyway
Sakurai is a fucking liar.
Is it marketing or "honest" character slot?
>>267498734
The CSS is just weird all over. Like why bother putting the three clones in their own corner? Why not group them with the rest of the characters from their series?
>>267498294
I remember the times when people didn't know about Fire Emblem and actually liked Roy.
It's funny but even in Japan people mostly associate him with Smash than FE.
>>267498734
They bought Monolith but Monolith still owns the Xeno franchise, so he's technically 2nd party.
Everyone else besides the last row is own entirely by Nintendo.
>>267498564
I think it's you who is the retard here. Read his post again, read what you replied to it and then think about what you got wrong.
>>267498020
Consider the budget, and consider it's Japan.
>>267498968
Pokemon is owned by gamefreak in the same way
>>267498968
You are so wrong, everything you said is so wrong. Goddamn.
>>267498697
How fucking small was Xenoblade's budget then? No wonder the character models are the way they are when you're piling the hardware, the map sizes, and the budget on top of each other.
>>267498864
>>267498941
Funny how Roy was a "literally who?" character, even to Japan upon Melee's release.
>>267498437
>What is Xenoblade Chronicles X ?
>>267499068
No it's not, Nintendo owns Pokemon, they just don't own GameFreak.
>>267497861
Im pretty sure Game and Watch or Marth were the most out of the blue characters. No one I knew, knew who the hell game and watch was and only japs knew marth and roy back then. Lucas was also random but you could at least tell he was from the mother series. Wiifit was probably the most out there for sm4sh considering most people who play smash probably never even touched wiifit ever, but even then people knew what wiifit was so melee easily still had the most out there newcomers
Jigglypuff was a popular pokemon back then and was in a good chunk of the early anime. Everyone knew what jigglypuff was compared to the others I mentioned.
>>267498734
Samurai can't design for shit.
>>267498968
Pokémon is 2nd party too
There is literally nothing wrong with branching out franchises for exposure
>>267499117
One literally who against 6 of them is pretty acceptable.
>>267499110
In what way?
>>267499113
pretty small, it was an experiment and it sold a lot more than expected, hell they didn't even bother to sell it in the US and they still did it due to the high requests
>>267499164
Pokemon is owned by Gamefreak and Nintendo, I don't think it's completly owned by one or the other
>>267499016
See this? THIS is why western cartoons are all shit. You've got a mass-murdering psychopath just STANDING AROUND eating chips
In a Japanese anime, it gets much more dramatic, both in movement and dialogue.
I'll take a potato chip... AND EAT IT!!
And then he DOES! And it's not a boring *crunch crunch swallow* like western cartoons. He makes big sweeping motions with his arm, and bites off half the chip so you can SEE he means business. Light Yagami is basically the Joker, except done correctly.
How can this possibly be marketing. I feel as if it's a shoutout to everyone who knows shulk, not everyone who will know him on the port. To even think this is a marketing character slot is kind of stupid. Wouldn't a character from X be the marketing character then?Why does this make me feel uneasy. It's as if I can't stand a question this retarded
>>267499281
IC and G&W were literally who, unless you were 20 at the time.
>>267497104
The only legit character slot other than Villager. Sakurai should have used even more relevant newcomers instead of shit like Duck Hunt and Wii Fit Trainer.
>>267499238
Nintendo actually owns the franchise Pokemon though, Game Freak is a private studio.
>>267498172
>>267498367
Yeah but... The nopon from the trailer is the same that you can talk to in Xenoblade in Gaur Plains...
>>267499323
what
is this a barkley 2 save point audition
>tfw this guy got in over Isaac
Oh man, if only Dark Dawn was announced before Smash 4 was released. The quality of the game would probably be the same but at least Isaac would be in Smash to market it (and because of fan demand).
>>267499363
Also Ness and Marth
>>267499390
>why does smash have a retro rep this had never happened before
>>267499492
>guy from a good game got in before a game from a shit game
>>267499523
Ness was more relevant than Samus at the time of Smash 64's release
>>267499323
Is it marketing or "honest" character slot?
Honest.
But these fucking Trophies, man.
Every fucking failure of a game. MK7, PM:SS, all the eShop shit, ugh. The prize for Classic on Intensity 9.0 is that stupid fucking ass puzzle game.
Goddamn.
>>267499473
No it's not, I know that "Satata" in japanese it's called "Tatsu", but we really don't know shit at the moment, it could be an easter egg, it could be just a coincidence. It's not him because of what we know about the first Xenoblade
Dark Pit is marketing. Shulk is too unique to just be marketing.
>>267499473
No it isn't. Like 5 minutes of research shows that the two Nopon in Gaur Plains are named Batubatu and Gerugu and the one from XCX trailer is named Tatsu
>>267499671
Oh yeah man, thanks for your opinions. That being said, I do want to play Xenoblade. The music is top tier.
>>267498864
>>267498941
They should at least give him a trophy.
>>267497104
Both. Obviously marketing for new game and remake but at the same time he adds a new franchise and unique play style to Smash
>>267499746
Nuhn uhn
I think it's really funny how he says that he's feeling it in a British accent. I bet it'll catch on.
>>267499323
didn't mean to reply
>>267499754
>>267497104
Is it marketing or "honest" character slot?
>>267499758
>The only trophies from Fire Emblem that aren't playable or an assist trophy are from Awakening
You really might be onto something.
>>267499917
Neither
Noone cares
>>267499917
Is it marketing or "honest" character slot?
>>267499917
>That moment when you realize he was marketing
>>267499824
Why give the laughing stock of the FE games a trophy?
>>267499281
>Ice Climbers weren't a literally who
>Marth wasn't a literally who (in the west)
>Game and Watch wasn't a literally who
>Dr.Mario wasn't a literally who (kinda)
What are those 6 you are talking about?
>>267497861
Jigglypuff was a self proclaimed 'Idol' in the Anime and in Japan anything idol related becomes super fucking popular. She got into smash for some bullshit reason like that. Like Edy from Valkyria Chronicles. She's fucking shit but because her bio lists her as being an Idol then she's the number 1 liked unit in Japan while folks in the west like someone who deserves it like the operator as fuck Marina.
>inb4 nintenyearolds not knowing what I'm talking about.
>>267500031
More like worst lord!
>>267499917
I believe they were trying to gain interest for Mother 3 with Brawl, similiar to how they did Fire Emblem with Melee.
However now they'll probably never mention it again.
>>267500191
Worst or fattest?
>>267498885
Or how Yoshi is in the middle of Mario series reps when he's representing his own series.
>>267497575
>nowadays
Friend, it's been like this since Gematsu said he was in.
>>267500289
Fattest lord. Fatter than Hector and Hero Ike.
>>267499413
co-owned
>>267500140
Ice Climbers were introduced as a retro character. Marth is the face of FE. Dr. Mario had like 3 games and he was well known even outside Japan. Game and Watch has like 6 games.
Meanwhile Shulk, Lucina, Dark Pit, Palutena, Greninja and Rosalina are characters.
>>267500289
>fattest
no
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/244/7/e/commission__firair_emblem_by_kibaandnarutorule-d5d8222.jpg
Is it marketing or "honest" assist trophy slot?
>>267499935
They did say the trophies in the 3DS version would be from handheld games mostly.
Expect more trophies from PoR and RD in the Wii U version.
>>267500487
>assist trophy slot?
Not anymore it isn't.
>>267500487
Literally who?
>>267500487
Marketing obviously, which is why he got cut. He wasn't worthy of being an assist trophy.
>>267499758
>not liking pushmo
what a gay
>>267500424
>Greninja
>Literally who
Then I guess Pichu was a literally who too
>Rosalina
>Literally who
Really? Mario galaxy was the biggest hit and she appeared ever since
>Lucina
>Literally Who
From the most sold FE game that saved the franchise?
The rest I agree
>>267500487
He's "honest" stolen fame and spot from Shulk.
Golden Sun > Xenoblade.
>>267500670
>He wasn't worthy of being an assist trophy.
which is why he's going to be DLC :^)
>>267499390
>Wii Fit
>irrelevant
Man you're funny
>>267500596
>They did say the trophies in the 3DS version would be from handheld games mostly.
So why not have ANY trophies (that weren't assists/playable) of characters from the handheld games?
Like Ephriam? Elincia? Roy? Eliwood? Hector? Ninian? Kris? Fire Emblem had six games on handhelds, yet the only trophies it gets on the 3DS version pretty much only come from Awakening.
>>267500398
Point is, Pokemon isn't and has never been listed as Second Party or Third Party, because it is a Nintendo franchise, same can't be said for Xenoblade.
>>267500424
>popular starter from newest pokemon
>character introduced in the wii's main mario game
>literally who
Nah.
And Lucina can't be literally who unless you also list Robin.
>>267500790
>A franchise didn't make it
>IT'S THIS OTHER FRANCHISE'S FAULT
retard
>>267500879
>Wii Fit U is a flop
>Miyamoto said he wants to stop pandering to soccer moms
It's dead, Jim.
>>267500721
>From the most sold FE game that saved the franchise?
You mean doomed to mediocrity?
>>267500424
>Greninja
>not the charizard of his pokemon generation
It makes sense why he got a spot.
>>267499390
Such as?
>>267500687
There are Pushmo trophies?
No, the puzzle game is that one...I dunno, Guardians, Coruptal, whatever, Tetris piece like game where you move through walls.
>>267500959
Porting models.
Awakening already had models, all they had to do was give them feet.
Also, Smash has always had trophies centered around the last game(s) of the franchise.
>>267500721
Pichu was like the son of the main mascot, also a mascot itself in gen 2 games. Greninja is just edgy starter. Including Feraligatr in Melee would be a better comparison.
Rosalina is just a forced character. No one really likes her except by weird neckbeards who claim her as "waifu".
Who the fuck is Lucina. Seriously.
>>267497104
Smash Bros's entire purpose has been marketing, so people can become interested in Nintendo's other franchises. They put Roy in Melee just to advertise Fire Emblem: Binding Blade.
>>267500959
Calm your tits, you can cut your autism with a knife
>>267501116
Potzol's puzzle.
>>267501056
Better a mediocre waifu appeal than dead.
>>267501183
Gotta market those lucrative Nintendo franchises. Like Metal Gear Solid and Duck Hunt.
>>267501003
Of course. Golden Sun should have gotten more reps by Brawl and Smash4 but they decided to give everything to Xenoblade because muh latest RPG.
Golden Sun > Xenoblade. In terms of quality and sales.
>>267500879
I thought she got a slot because no one voted for her. She's not a troll character?
>>267501004
Owned
>>267501116
There's a trophy for Mallo.
>>267501004
>Miyamoto said he wants to stop pandering to soccer moms
That's not what he said last gen before they all stopped buying their stuff.
>>267501179
>Greninja is just edgy
I still don't get this.
>>267501129
>Porting Awakening models
You're pulling shit of your ass. Lissa's trophy model looks nothing like her ingame model.
>>267500975
Forgot Robin. He's that much of literally who.
>>267501231
>Better a mediocre waifu appeal than dead.
Only someone who started with awakening would say that. If nintendo actually marketed the damn thing it wouldn't have almost died.
>>267501292
Every fighting game has a joke character or two.
>>267501179
>Rosalina
>Forced character
>Who the fuck is Lucina
>The second most recurring character in the game that saved Fire Emblem
Plebs like you makes me lose faith in humanity
>>267501129
>Porting models.
Don't give me that excuse, it's not as though Smash has NEVER created original models for trophies before. And if he was really lazy he could have just used sprites.
>>267501185
Truly, autism has lost all meaning.
>>267500453
>commision
>>267498941
>It's funny but even in Japan people mostly associate him with Smash than FE
Same thing for Ike.
Hell, you could say that for a considerable fraction of the Smash roster for most of the world.
Captain Falcon, Ness, Ice Climbers, Lucas, Mr Game & Watch(who wasn't really even an entity until Smash Bros.).
OFFICIAL LITERALLY WHO TIER LIST
>ICONIC
Pac-man
Megaman
Miis
WFT
Villager
>BORDERLINE
Little Mac
Duck Hunt
>WELL KNOWN
Rosalina
Greninja
Bowser Jr.
>LITERALLY WHO
Palutena
Lucina
>LITERALLY FUCKING WHO
Dark Pit
Robin
Shulk
>>267501206
Yeah that.
No Meteos trophies, either.
>X Bomb
>"From Meteos?!"
>From Nothing Personnel, Kid Icarus
>>267501451
>Megaman
>Pac-Meme
>Not literally whos
Megaman is such a LITERALLY WHO that even Capcom forgot to make his games
>>267501056
As opposed to nothing?
>>267501179
>Greninja
>Edgy
Guess Sheik is edgy too. And Greninja is the most popular Gen 6 starter.
>Nobody likes Rosalina
>The ones that do are weird neckbeards who don't count because I said so
>Who the fuck is the girl from the most sold Fire Emblem?
>>267501451
>WFT
>Iconic
>Duck Hunt
>not Iconic
>>267501436
>saved Fire Emblem
more like made Fire Emblem completly shit beyond saving
>>267501303
>in terms of sales
maybe
>in terms of quality
>>267500721
Pichu is literally the Baby Mario/Young Link to Pikachu
All of it is marketing, you fucking retard
ASS SLASH
>>267501179
People like this make me think they don't actually play video games, let alone a game about fucking Nintendo characters fighting.
>>267501451
>LITERALLY FUCKING WHO
>Robin
>Lucina isn't on the same tier
If you're a waifufag that never played the game then that is correct
>>267501451
>Rosalina
>Well known
Errors.jpg
>>267501358
No shit, that's why he said he wants to stop pandering to them, because they moved on to other bullshit, "It's kind of pathetic."
>>267501451
>LITERALLY FUCKING WHO
>Dark Pit
Pit was already in the game, it's pretty obvious who this is.
>People acting like FE:A didn't save Fire emblem
That's like saying P4 didn't boost Persona up to insane proportions
That's like saying brawl didn't boost up smash hype
That's like saying Resident evil 4 didn't boost up RE popularity
Fuck off with the "muh quality". The game is fine. It's just different opinions in the end
>>267501631
Golden Sun is a respected RPG franchise that made the GBA worth having. Also it was ahead of his time.
Xenoblade is just another generic RPG. People like it because it's the first open world RPG for a Nintendo console.
>>267498941
>>267498864
but Roy is still Sm4sh
>>267500058
Why FE guys always suffer the most?
>>267501303
>1 rep from Xenoblade
>4 reps from FE
>5 reps from Pokemon
>somehow Xenoblade is the cause Golden Dun didn't make it in
end yourself
>>267501590
Many current players know nothing about the Duck Hunt game. Wii Fit Trainer was shown quite often in Wii advertisements and store displays a few years ago when Nintendo was pushy gaming as the latest health tool. There were even some decent Wii Fit ripoffs on other consoles.
>>267501417
Or someone who hasn't played ANY of them. And I don't intend to start.
And I say that hesitantly, having watched my own favorites die.
FFT>FFTA>Dead
MM>MMZ shit>Dead
Sonic>Running Dead
I know the waifu stuff is probably "fate worse than death," but just try to ignore it as much as possible and enjoy the gameplay.
>>267501590
Duck Hunt hasn't been relevant recently though
>>267501918
>Golden Sun
>Good
>Respected
>Ahead of it's time
More like Golden SHIT.
>>267501750
The thing is is that Robin/the avatar is in barely any of the Awakening marketing compared to the other two main characters, while Chrom & Lucina(or rather, "Marth") were front and center.
While Lucina's overall importance to Awakening is tertiary compared to Chrom and Robin who take the protagonist and deuteragonist roles, she has a considerably higher media presence.
>>267501303
>Golden Sun > Xenoblade. In terms of quality
Please kill yourself.
>>267501980
Literally no one who played WF remembers WFT
The Dog became a huge meme
>>267501918
>Golden Sun is a respected RPG franchise that made the GBA worth having
>>267501918
Man, I went back to Golden Sun recently. I really don't think it's amazing as you remember. And Dark Dawn was pretty bad.
>>267501758
>Important character in Super Mario Galaxy, one of the best selling games on the Wii
>Part of main Mario franchise
>Has shown up in several Mario spinoff games
>not well known
>>267501750
To be honest, there actually were people who had no idea who Robin was when he was revealed but knew who was Lucina (and Chrom). I guess it doesn't help that Chrom was talked a lot before because of gematsu and that Lucina was waifu shit,. I don't even have to explain.
>>267501758
I guess that'd be true if you didn't pay attention to Super Mario or Mario Kart throughout all of 7th and 8th gens.
>>267501850
>have another shit game
>save
FE should have ended with Radiant Dawn.
>>267501758
Do you play videogames?
>>267497361
Xenoblade, Xenogears doesn't have shitty design like that.
>Okays guys, let's end E3 BIG! We have to announce an amazing character to get people hyped.
>How about Pac-man?
>No, you're fired, no one gives a shit about Pac-man. He's a nobody, we'll put him in a conference that no one can even watch live. Everyone obviously wants to see Palutena, so we will reveal her!
This pissed me off so much. This was Sakurai stroking his own cock. Palutena had NO fucking reason to be the finale for Nintendo E3. I can't believe that Pac-Man was announced off fucking screen.
>>267502293
>Implying
>>267497449
>first party
That's why he's next to megaman, pacman, and sonic, right? and not up to the left of ness?
>>267502293
Are you dense? Xenogears artstyle is atrocious and it's the same they will use in the next Xenoblade
>>267502192
But she isn't, isn't she
Mario and Luigi overshadows her, shes a nobody
>>267501989
>MMZ
>shit
And you were still getting MMX games on PS2 (albeit one was x7) at the same time, and new Classic games the gen after.
>>267501601
It was going to be cancelled before Awakening came along, like it or not, it saved the franchise from dying.
>inb4 I'd rather see it dead
They can still make another good one you fucking faggot.
>>267502149
>internet meme being relevant offline
>>267502181
Dark Dawn was just boring, not that bad. Xenoblade on the other had is treated like the savior of Nintendo RPGs. There are tons of games that are just like Xenoblade and they were made like 10 years ago, but people seem to love it because there's really nothing else to play when it comes to RPGs for the Wii.
>>267502468
She is more well known than the Koopalings, and all of them made it in.
>>267502468
>Mario and Luigi
Oh heaven forbid two of the most, if not THE most well know video game characters overshadow anybody.
>>267499323
Jesus, the autism in this post.
>>267502382
Palutena's trailer was easily the worst Smash trailer. It was so cringeworthy it hurts.
>>267502532
>Dark Dawn was just boring, not that bad.
That sounds like a bad game to me anon.
