So, Smash 4 looks like it's shaping up to be Brawl 2.0 (no-trip electric bogaloo). At this point it either seems like Miyamoto Sakurai (and the higher ups) legitimately don't care about the fans of their game franchise....or maybe something much worse...
What if Mashpotato Samurai legitimately can't recreate the "bugs" in Melee? What if they have been trying to recreate the melee gameplay with the new platform all this time and through some fluke in all coding they can't recreate it correctly? What if our Senpai-kun has been taking the brunt backlash of the Smash community so they don't have to bear the crushing fact that any form of melee can't be re-created? He'd rather take on full force of all of our bitching and moaning so we don't have to know the ugly sad truth.
The game we want can't be made.
>>262672581
>we
Speak for yourself, faggot. Even the competitive community it's excited with it. A good speed and pacing, combos are possible,, it's less floaty and new mechanics such as the new L-cancelling which was already discussed, having different landing lags for different attacks, the new ledge grab mechanic and the impossibily all mix up into a new, great game for both the casual and competitive audience.
The game you wanted was made in 2001 and then remaded as PM. Play that if you want, but please stop being an enourmous faggot.
Though that, by your image, I guess your little anus still hurts from having both Ice Climers AND chained combos removed.
>implying Nintendo should cater to only tourneyfags
>>262672581
>we want
I want a game with at least a third of the roster being viable.
Shitposts are alive and well.
I hate Melee purists.
Can't wait to see the 100+ guaranteed replies.
Honestly I feel like Smash 4 is working to combine a bunch of good aspects from the previous entries. I am looking forward to seeing the final product
>>262673652
>Implying melee purist.
>Implying nobody is looking forward to having to wait for release then a smash 4 Project M.
>>262672581
>What if Mashpotato Samurai legitimately can't recreate the "bugs" in Melee?
You know that competitive players make up a very small portion of "the fans" right?
Sakurai himself thinks of Smash as a party game. Why people try to play Smash competitively when it wasn't designed to be is beyond me.
You know who Smash is made for? Nintendo fans. People who want to see a game with Mario and Pikachu on the same screen.
When you were little and played Smash 64 for the first time, did you care about the competitive scene? No.
There are hundreds of thousands of kids that are excited for this game, just like you were for the first game.
Competitive players are entitled assholes who think that the entire Smash Bros franchise revolves around their little tournaments. It doesn't.
>>262674021
fucking this
>>262672581
Well, I have a Jap 3DS and I am playing the demo right now.
The game is fucking perfect. There, said it. It feels like Brawl, if Brawl was a perfect game.
Think Brawl but flaws are gone. Its smooth as fuck and hitting your opponent feels great. It feels more competitive than Brawl ever did.
>>262674021
Why is 4chan the only place that doesn't consider smash a fighting game? Smash is even apart of the FGC.
I like Melee more than Brawl, but I don't understand why you want the upcoming game to be exactly like it. You don't have to have wavedashing to make a competitively viable Smash game if 64 is anything to go by
I'm just hoping Smash 4 hits the middle ground well enough by having a fast enough pace. Going by what we know so far it's already shaping up better than Brawl to begin with, though we've yet to see the final build in practice.
i liked brawl, stop thinking we're all tourneyfags who only care for melee.
>>262674181
You can't kill an opponent with the numbers going up! What is this North Korea???
>>262674181
Because the FGC is a bunch of niggers fapping over Mahvel and Street Fighter while /v/ actually knows about good fighting games.
>>262672581
You are fucking retarded.
Literally no one outside of the autistic online competitive community thinks Melee is better than Brawl.
Brawl is better in every single way that actually matters to the majority of players. Amount of characters, content, music, graphics, single player, customizability, stages...
You're saying that Nintendo should cater to the 1% of players who treat Smash as a competitive fighting game? Well fuck you that will never happen.
>>262674181
Because the CREATOR doesn't consider it one.
There are hundreds of other fighting games out there to compete in. I don't understand why so many competitive players try to make Smash into something it isn't.
>>262674181
No it isn't. Smash isn't a fighting game. The creator doesn't consider it a fighting game, no matter what you autists think. It's something you'll have to deal with.
>>262674021
>some little kids out there are as excited for this game as I was for Smash 64
>this will be their first Smash game
That warms my heart.
Melee is stupid and is ironic for "competitive play"
It was made as a family fun game. Autistic kids like yourself turned it into a competitive scene.
>>262672581
>So, Smash 4 looks like it's shaping up to be Brawl 2.0
Except its not, you idiot/bait.
>>262674426
>>262674428
>Literally no one outside of the autistic online competitive community thinks Melee is better than Brawl.
Me and everyone I know really enjoy melee over brawl, and we're hyper casual at "fighting" games, or party games, or what have you.
It was way too floaty and it ended up being a lot more boring and a lot less fun.
Plus the items kinda sucked compared to melee.
>>262674442
>being this retarded
Tell you what. I'm going to make a game. Itll star a character with legs who can jump a lot. He will jump across platforms and all sorts of obstacles, and will jump all the time. And I'll call it a racing game and declare anyone who thinks otherwise a faggot because obviously since I'm the creator, my word is law and I can make bullshit up all the time. In fact, I'll call it a tactical espionage card based racing game. Because that's totally what the game is
>pretending anything other then it being fun to have some beers and play with a few bros matters
>probably caring about "competitive gaming"\
i can smell the neck beard from here
>>262674738
Isn't the Red Shell the ONLY item from melee that didn't come back? Just turn off everything else.
I've got a bunch of casual friends and they like Brawl better because it has a shitload more content. Anyone who plays Smash and complains about the "floatiness" should just be playing a different game.
>>262672581
Starting a thread with shitposting will surely lead to an interesting discussion.
>>262674764
>>262672581
>mfw all these meleefags shitposting after their shitty tourneycirclejerk retro garbage game has been usurped by the TRUE SMASH BROS EXPERIENCE
>>262672581
I hope you get cancer and aids, then infect the rest of the project M: Muh Maylay sitters with your aids and cancer so you can all die like you fucking deserve. Then fans can finally enjoy smash brothers as brothers without your Diarrhea purifying every thread with "BASED PROJECT MELEE FUCK YOU SAMURAI" when your mod wouldn't exist without the hard work and dedication of Sakurai and those who put in real effort to try to deliver a product people will enjoy. You defame everything his games stand for while you beg for scraps of his work so you can cut them up and stitch them back together into a mangled, gruesome visage of his dream. Fuck off and die Melee faggots.
MARIO CHAINGRAB RECONFIRMED.
DOWN GRAB DOWN A AND REPEAT
>>262674764
You're extremely butthurt anon.
Sakurai isn't calling Smash Bros a shooter or a puzzle game. He's calling it a party game because it IS one. A damn good one.
>>262672581
>Brawl 2.0
Stopping reading right there. Game looks like it's own thing, and that's good.
>>262674021
So the franchise needs to stay afloat purely from appealing mascots? Brawl was fun for a while, and I was very excited to see snake, but there's a reason I only play that game on rare occasion while Melee is a huge timesink.
Wanting good gameplay from a game is not entitlement.
>>262674738
Thats your group of friends, the gaming circle in our town roughly 20 in size all prefer Brawl over Melee. I personally prefer Brawl over Melee and I am a tourny fag for SSF4.
>>262674913
>Anyone who plays Smash and complains about the "floatiness" should just be playing a different game.
What? We like playing it because we get to beat the shit out of eachother, and brawl just gives you less control over that.
Actually scratch that. 1 friend of mine enjoys brawl over melee, purely because he loves playing ike and spamming that dash move and his B up. The other 20 odd people enjoy melee over brawl because it's just more fun.but then again over half of them prefer 64 > Melee > Brawl, because your hits are a lot more powerful in the older games
>>262675032
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1dlvIKT8yI5
>>262672581
Hey wobbles how did it feel to almost beat M2K in GFs?
>>262675186
ScarfLard?
>>262674561
>What you autists think
99.9999% of the world would think the one being autistic here is you.
>>262675186
not what we're talking about.
>Literally no one outside of the autistic online competitive community thinks Melee is better than Brawl.
>people actually taking OP's bait
You realize that most people, even tourneyfags are happy with the way the game's turning out?
>>262674561
> Not a fighting game
> Consists entirely of fighting
Nah mate it's a fighting game, just an unconventional one.
>>262672581
It looks fucking worse than Brawl, holy fuck, Sakurai needs to kill himself
>>262672581
>we
Last time I checked I wasn't an underage or mentally disabled tryhard.
>>262675336
No I hate his be a pussy and wait for time to run up playstyle.
I mained snake
>>262675419
>me and everyone I know
>I talk about the people I know personally
Never mind I forgot how ignorant melee supporters are sometimes
>>262675112
I think a Brawl/Melee comparison is inherently flawed because we know that brawl was reactionary to the meta which arose around Melee. I agree that the reaction was too strong. Tripping and the general "weight" of brawl felt awful.
Looking at Smash4, I'm getting a vibe much closer to the original but with content levels on par with brawl - which I am very okay with.
>>262675584
I don't think you understand
>>262673293
This. It's retarded in any game when there are characters that aren't even viable on a casual level, or are so gimmicky and shitty that you wouldn't even want to play them. In Melee about 1/2 of the cast is S / A tier. In Brawl just about 1/6 are A or above, and the rest just get increasingly shittier until F.
Hilariously UMVC3 functions better as a party game because you can at least pick random characters and it won't be too much of a difference, if the point is fan service why should I be deterred from picking a character because they're so horrendously broken that they either require way too little or way too much effort to actually use?
Also I'm questioning if there is actually a living organism in this galaxy who legitimately enjoys playing as Pokemon Trainer for extended periods of time.
heads up, half the posts in this thread (literally) are op. stop responding and let him try to bump it.
I'm pretty optimistic about Smash 4 being the best one yet (mainly the Wii U version).
> Way more characters (and say what you want about clones, this game has the lowest ratio of them other than 64 which had a whopping 12 characters total). I think the roster is great - lots of unique movesets in there. I think people consume every little bit of info they can get their hands up for years before release and they lose that initial excitement from all the new characters. For example, people who are already bored of Megaman and call him shit before the game is out and before even having played the game.
> Seems to be a mix of the good things from Brawl and the good things from Melee (mainly the speed is better. Smash 4 Pikachu is supposedly faster than Melee Pikachu, among other speed increases). No tripping as well, and some moves have no landing lag.
> HD Visuals. Smash finally enters the era of HDTVs without looking like blurry ass.
> Online with items / no items as an option.
> Gamecube Controller support.
Sorry but I'd rather have all these improvements if all it costs me is a couple Melee maneuvers. People that want that can stay here, I'll take the 50 character roster game that fixes all of Brawl's shortcomings.
>>262675654
Are you trying to imply people you meet online are somehow different than people you meet in real life? Cause if you are that just adds to your stupidity
>>262675731
It'd be okay if the roster was good but it isn't
>>262675579
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_rV3lfSpY
;)
>>262674813
/thread, its hilarious how obviously autistic you people are
>>262675687
Are you OP?
>>262675461
Xenoblade isn't magically a fighting game despite the frequency and quantify of combat you participate in. I don't consider Asura's Wrath a fighter even though the entire game is about fighting.
>>262675751
What the hell are you talking about?
>Literally no one outside of the autistic online competitive community thinks Melee is better than Brawl.
That is what we're talking about. And that's a factually wrong statement. And that's why I posted.
So why are you posting?
>>262675875
Yeah, it's pretty fucking horrible
>>262675978
:^)
>>262675807
It's the best roster we had so far.
The newcomers make more than up for the cuts and counting additions that you don't like as something that makes the roster worse is just retarded.
>>262675807
How so?
This is just a matter of opinion, but I feel you should back yours up.
>>262676042
None of my favorites made it in so I'm extremely angry and disappointed
>>262675934
but your original point was still that lots of people prefer melee over brawl outside of just the online competitive community, that just happens to be your small sample size.
>>262676107
And?
>>262675913
Smash and other fighters have the same core fundamentals. If Sakurai didn't want people to play without items, why did he give the option?
OP.... HOLEEE shit. HAHAHAHA.
Thanks for the laughs guys.
>people saying Smash is a fighting game
LOL
This is a fighting game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phXqzH-09_o
Notice the health bars and lack of platforms
It's also a 1vs1 game, there's no other option, because it isn't a party game
>>262673878
Nobody is, project m is the worst unofficial smash product ever.
It's under 64 in terms of quality
>>262675112
This. Brawl was extremely fun at a time, but it got stale fast. The menus aren't very pleasing to look at compared to other more stylized menus in Nintendo games, and a large amount of the content was fluff. Most of the stuff related to trophies, stage builder was pretty much only useful past the first 2 months unless you used homebrew, the demos were essentially just 2 minute advertisements, and more.
Subspace also felt terrible because the enemies were about as spongy and awful as late-Borderlands 2 enemies, the physics didn't make for fun platforming so the only rewarding parts were the cutscenes and knowing that you're unlocking things from it, the gameplay was a chore otherwise. This coupled with the fact target tests were disappointing and pointless, and aside from unlocking one VERY shitty stage and jigglypuff, events weren't really that great either.
>>262676403
>It's under 64 in terms of quality
64 was the best one though
>>262676406
I agree with you but it seems a lot of people loved SSE. I think you're definitely right about the Smash physics just not working for that type of game.
>>262675875
>>262675978
>>262676000
>Up-Tilts: The Movie
>>262675913
I spent more time running around in Xenoblade than I did fighting, and Asura's Wrath is a Beat'em up. The difference between those and Smash is that Smash is focused on humans fighting other humans in the vein of traditional fighting games. Whether or not it's a party game inconsequential to whether or not it's a fighting game. Is Madden not a sports game because it's often played in groups?
>>262676372
lol this is so laughably autistic, are you saying if you took the exact same game mechanics but added a platform it wouldn't be fighting game?
Trying to argue with any of these people on /v/ who think smash isn't a fighting game is like hitting your head against a wall. Let the ignorant who know nothing about fighting games stay ignorant.
>>262676734
Pretty much, that's how genres work
>>262675898
Worsr of all
The op could be any one of us
It could you, it could be me, it could even be
>>262676760
But I play a lot of fighting games, that's why I say Smash isn't one
>>262676796
so what genre is smash then and what are some other examples of such a genre?
>>262676760
if it isnt an exact clone of mortal combat in every way its not a fighting game, deal with it
OP here....
This shit is top kek 10/10 - IGN.
Will upload to facebok/twitter/instagram/reddit/9gag/pinterest/geocities/myspace and 4chan in 2 weeks.
Thanks for taking the bait guys; much appreciated.
>>262676908
>what genre is smash
shit gimmicky non-game.
Other examples include dance-dance-revolution and angry birds
>>262676885
if you avidly play fighting games and say smash isn't one you must have an extremely strict sense of what a fighting game is.
>>262676908
It's a platform brawler and there are other games like this, like Sony smash and the jump games. There's probably more but I don't know them
>>262677047
>there are people who have reached such massive levels of autism that they dont think smash is a fighting game
>>262676885
Anything that isn't SF like or tekken like isn't a fighting game
>>262677234
That's not what I said, but would you call Powerstone a fighting game?
>>262676587
The thing is, I loved SSE too, but I think it was also because the excitement made the game seem so amazing the first month, and because it was co-op gameplay that wasn't just re-playing Streets of Rage again. Though once you get to around the middle, the only thing that really motivates you to plow through all those shitty trumpet, eyeball, and totem enemies are the promise of unlockables.
It's strange that just seeing those barrels and doors give me a small unique feeling of disgust now. As a fun little exercise, if you have Brawl or Dolphin, play SSE up until when you're able to play as Donkey Kong and unless you really love that mode, you'll have a strong urge to turn the game off.
>>262677047
>was merely a ruse
>>262677202
>its not a fighting game, its a fighting game where the maps may or may not have platforms
holy shit im not sure if i should laugh or feel sorry for you people
>>262677297
Minecraft PVP. You're argument is invalid.
>>262677394
what
>>262676885
>I'm a stream monster, that's why I say Smash isn't one*
>>262677297
Even Wikipedia calls power stone a fighting game. That shit is dope.
>>262677297
It's basicly what you all say at this point about smash
I have no idea what a powerstone is
>>262672581
Or maybe it's only retards like you that care abotu MUH COMPETITIVE PLAY, BUT IM THE REAL FANS, and normal people will actually love it.
Also you'll buy it anyway, so who gives a fuck.
Dont play it then.
Instead, keep complaining about it on a videogame image board.
>>262672581
>Brawl 2.0 (no-trip electric bogaloo).
so it's perfect?
>>262677517
Your mom's a powerstone.
>>262677202
>its not a fighting game its a platform fighting game
>>262677047
My jimmies ain't even rustled.
>>262677380
There's also things like no health bars, multiple players and items. Accept it, Smash is too different to be called a fighint game.
If you really want to have the words "fighting game" just give it its own subgenre like platform fighter or some shit
>>262677503
>wikipedia
>>262677047
>>262677596
Is my mom a fighting game then?this is important
Anonymous 09/10/14(Wed)05:31:42 No.262677592 ?
you ridleyfags seriously shit up everything you get your hands on
>>262677680
>stocks
>1v1
>no items
You don't know shit about anything. I can't believe I'm falling for this bait as I'm typing this.
>>262677680
considering it the core gameplay mechanics are the same in almost ever aspect, yes id say its a sub genre at best
and saying no health bars is the most autistic argument i can image
>hit a certain %
>youre guaranteed to die
>hit a certain level of health
>youre guaranteed to die
>>262672581
>So, Smash 4 looks like it's shaping up to be Brawl 2.0 (no-trip electric bogaloo)
According to a bunch of tourny people I hang with, it's not. Nice shitpost though.
>>262677974
>>262677981
>>262677803
If you hit her enough times and there isn't a platform.She just might be.
Fucks sake. Smash Fans are by far the whiniest fuckers in any fanbase.
>>262677974
Just because you can turn shit off it doesn't change that it's there and that it's the core of the game in the first place. Holy fuck
>>262677981
They're very different and you know it, stop trying to spin things with unrealistic situations
>>262678131
>>262677680
>multiple players
This just in Street Fighter X Tekken is not a fighting game because it allows more than two players at once!
>>262678178
That doesn't make it not a fighting game.
>>262678178
let me guess, youre only pretending to be retarded right?
>>262678131
>>262678178
>Just because you can turn shit off it doesn't change that it's there and that it's the core of the game in the first place. Holy fuck
>NOOOOOOOOO! STOP ENJOYING THINGS THAT I DON'T
>>262672581
>Smash 4 looks like it's shaping up to be Brawl 2.0
You haven't been paying attention, then.
>>262678390
>>262678270
>>262678390
>>262678270
Hivemind
>>262678325
Yes it does, or at the very least a sub genre
>>262678346
I'm not retarded
>>262678314
No, but Smash has enough different things that it needs to be separated from traditional 2D fighting games, labels and genres are important.
>>262678467
That's not what I'm saying you retarded fuck, I enjoy Smash
The only way to fix the smash series to stop adding more and more shitty characters. Take it back to the N64 roster if you need to. Work on improving the actual gameplay.
>>262678541
>im not retarded
ok, youre only pretending then. why dont you go be autistic in /b/ where you belong then?
>>262678270
>>262678390
>>262678513
>>262678541
Well I enjoy that bit of chaos and variety that comes with the items.
>>262678652
I'm not pretending either, I don't understand how you can't comprehend my simple argument
>>262678541
Yeah, you enjoy Smash, but only the way it was "meant" to be enjoyed. Nigga, fuck you.
>>262678694
>>262678720
I never said anything about items being bad, jsut that thanks to stuff like items Smash is different enough to have its own subgenre, holy fuck reading comprehension is bad here
>>262678541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwjMZ8nFgIM
>Saltford Kelly is that you?
>>262678805
I'm talking about turning items off to make it a fighting game, dweeb.
>>262678541
I'm perfectly fucking with Smash being a sub-genre from Classic Fighting Games
But don't fucking tell me Smash is not a Fighting game
Fighting games are not just
Muh 2d streetfighter
Fuck
>>262678714
you dont have a valid argument anon, the gameplay of smash is that of a fighting game, having unique stages does not change that
>>262678805
are you autistic? You are aren't you?
>>262678805
being a sub genre of a fighting game doesnt make it not a fighting game
>>262678964
But that's what 2D fighting games are, that's what defined them, we could call them SF-likes the same way we call games roguelikes
>tfw no more Ice Climbers/DeDeDe team battle
I...I'm going to be okay...
>>262679148
But it does, it's not a fighting game in the traditional sense
>>262672581
>At this point it either seems like Miyamoto Sakurai (and the higher ups) legitimately don't care about the fans of their game franchise
Or it's a game made for children and they really couldn't give a fuck about an autistic group of faggots that take a party game as a competitive fighter. What's next, competitive Mario Party?
How does it feel knowing Sakurai is catering to tounreyfags with things like For Glory mode? I bet it tears you casual, dumbfucks up.
>>262678964
Smash 4 is actually closer to a traditional fighter than the others in the series
>>262679286
right, and 3d fighting games arent fighting games because they arent fighting games in the traditional sense
>>262679563
Yes, that's why they're called 3D fighting games
omg.... The autism in this thread is so real I don't know if mirrors are real.
HAHAHAHAHA
>>262679563
>>262679606
#knockout
Ryu Shoriyukens In!
>>262679606
>tekken isnt a real fighting game
holy
fuck
my sides
>>262679606
HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING.
>>262679606
Holy shit guys. He actually is a retard.
>>262679746
>>262679871
It's a 3D fighting game, I don't understand how you can't comprehend something so simple
>>262679871
>>262679172
It's two dudes fighting
No matter how many things you turn off or on in smash you are 2-4 dudes fighting.
Health bars are not essential for a fighting game to be a fighting game
>>262679897
>>262679897
I already addressed this way earlier: >>262676238
>>262679897
The irony of this post, I mean I know it's bait but still.
How can people say that Smash Bros. is not 'competitive'
I thought competition was about player skill, not the game itself.
>>262680031
>>262679381
>All those final destinations
It's just like my street fighter stages
>>262674561
Smash is a fighting game because people fight when someone brings it up.
>>262680161
>>262680031
The core fundamentals are changed though, you have platforms and no health bars, also multiple players are possible.
Turning something off doesn't mean the features are not there.
Genres can't be too broad otherwise they lose meaning. That's why there's a distinction between fighting games, 3D fighting games, brawlers, arena fighters and all the others. But for some reason Smash players are the only ones who can't comprehend it
>>262680060
>>262680000
I really don't understand what's your problem
>>262672581
>a couple murricane autists
>entire fanvase of smash
Yeah nah go back tp project mlp.
>>262680090
Casuals anon
They never actually try to win
Call you a tryhard for beating them afterwards
>gta isnt a 3rd person shooter because you can drive cars
this is how retarded you are
>>262680282
Gta is also not a driving game because you can shoot
>>262674764
>Implying that can't be a racing game.
>hasn't played a platform racer
>>262680282
3rd person shooting is just one of the mechanics in GTA, it doesn't describe it in enough detail. That's why most people call GTA an open world action-adventure.
>>262672581
>Mashpotato Samurai
>>262680282
>>262680462
>/v/ doesn't understand how genres work
You guys suprise me every time
>>262675685
Smash has way more ways to give you fanservice than just a balanced rooster.
All those stickers, CDs, trophies, events, stages, items and single player modi have way more fanservice impact.
>>262680234
>turning the feature off means they're not there
Except that's exactly what it does. It makes them not there.
>If Sakurai didn't want people to play without items, why did he give the option?
Quoting myself again because you're a retard and keep trying to make the same argument.
You don't even know what fundamentals are. You literally have no idea what you're arguing about. I can tell just by the way you're arguing that you've never played any fighting game competitive, so I will break it down for you.
>Most everything that can be considered fighting game fundamentals can be be summed up in one word: footsies. Footsies covers:
-when to attack
-what attack to use (poking/counter-poking)
-where to attack from (spacing)
-when to defend
Trying to say Tekken isn't a fighting game is just icing on the cake.
>>262680462
Except even if you couldn't shoot, it wouldn't be categorized as a driving game. Are you retarded?
>>262680728
Don't bother with this clown. he doesn't understand that fighting games is the over lying genre above the sub genres of 2d fighters, 3d fighters, etc.
>>262680728
Holy fuck you're retarded. That's not what the core of fighting games is, the core of fighting games is SF2, you just made up your own definition on the fly.
Fighting games were defined by SF2 so SF2's mechanics are the definiton.
After SF2 came out games that diverged from the formula created its own sub genres like 3D fighters.
>So, Smash 4 looks like it's shaping up to be Brawl 2.0
How many times have we had this thread now?
>>262680234
>>262680234
>But for some reason Smash players are the only ones who can't comprehend it.
You don't have to play a game to realize what type of game it is. Mentally handicapped people like you think that if something even slightly deviates from the norm it deserves a new genre. Otherwise you'd have people stating that SMRPG is a platformer RPG, and Namco x Capcom is a turnbased fighting game. But you're probably just going to say every fighting game needs to be what SF2 and Mortal Kombat were because you're a fucking idiot.
Sakurai could satisfy both Melee and Brawl players by giving us speed settings. He won't for some reason, even though many fighters have been doing this for generations now.
>>262680871
Are you falling for his ruse?
Are you retarded?
>>262680738
>complaining about "fluff" in a fanservice game
>implying melees "fluff" didnt get stale way faster than brawls
>>262681087
I don't know any people who call SMRPG simply an RPG. It's too different for that. I don't know Namco x Capcom so I can't comment on that.
And yes if you want the label of a fighting game the game needs to be similar to SF2
>>262680972
>3d fighters aren't traditional 2d fighters, so they aren't fighting games even though they share the same core fundamentals
Dawg, you are beyond helpless.
>>262680972
SF2 is two people fighting
Smash with items on or off are 2-4 people fighting
Somehow smash is not fight game
>muh health bars
>>262672581
Project M did it. You're retarded if you seriously think it's not possible due to coding.
>>262681387
They don't share the same core fundamentals because one of the core fundamentals is 2D plane.
That's why 3D fighting games are called 3D fighting games, because the distinction is the 3rd plane.
>>262680972
please, your understanding of fighting games as a whole is just so poor. Just go to bed man.
>>262681209
Except all it did was take what melee had, made it worse, and added timed roms with gigantic load times alongside them.
>>262681506
>>262680728
This is what makes a fighting game a fighting game. It doesn't matter what dimension it is in.
>>262680972
>Every fighting game must be some variation of SF2
>>262679742
>not Ryu Shoryuk-ins!
>>262681453
You think you won an argument because you greentexted? Yes, health bars, that's a huge difference.
Also like I said before, just because you can turn something off doesn't mean it shouldn't be labeled.
>>262681557
No, your understanding is poor, I bet you're underage and didn't even play SF2 when it was new
>>262681506
Hey whatta ya know they are still called fighting games
Meanwhile Smash is somehow now fighting games
>never played brawl before
>wonder why everyone always bitches about it
>get my copy in the mail
>boot it up
>start playing
>"this isn't bad, why does-"
>start noticing my character occasionally trips for seemingly no reason
>"surely I'm doing something wrong"
>it keeps on happening
>look it up
>there's literally always a chance for you to randomly trip for no reason
How fucking retarded do you have to be to add something like that to any game?
>hurr lemme make a shooter but you randomly drop your gun for no reason
>>262681739
Smash Bros is a fighting game, and the post responding to me will have a 3.
http://strawpoll.me/2535703/
http://strawpoll.me/2535690/
http://strawpoll.me/2535770/
>>262681669
I'm not the one saying anything that isn't sf2 isn't a fighting game man. If you go to evo with that definition people would laugh in your face when you explain it.
Melee love is a meme.
>>262681793
>http://strawpoll.me/2535690/
>Worst Smash fanbase
>R.O.B
What kind of underaged faggot made this strawpoll?
>>262681563
The fuck are roms? And the wii had no gigantic loading times compared to every other disc based system back then, now and gens before with the exception of the gc.
>>262681506
So Naruto fighty fight game and DBZ reboot 99 the fightening game arent fighting games? My feels. I cant even anymore.
Anyways this is OP signing off thanks for all shitty shit post rebuttals; it brought me back to my youth.
>>262681910
was for>>262681136
>>262681669
>Health bars
Stocks
Health bars are not essential for a fighting game to be a fighting game
Maybe I did win because of greentext
>>262681946
The shitters that got rob threads banned aka twitter drama and tumblr oc tan general.
>>262682020
>The fuck are roms?
Hi reddit
>>262681739
No they're not, they're called 3D fighting games. Smash isn't a fighting game, like I said, if you want to have "fighting" in the genre name call it platform fighting or something.
It's not a traditional fighting game though
>>262676098
That doesn't mean the roster is bad. It could be better, yes, but it is still the best roster we've had in four games.
>>262682212
Just because ignorant people would laugh it doesn't change anything.
>>262672581
The entire competitive community is currently shitting themselves in happiness at this version of Smash Bros.
It's significantly faster than Brawl, there's very little landing lag and some moves even auto cancel. There's Pivot Smashes. There's Dash Dancing (to an extent). There's no tripping. Chain grabs have been removed. Link ISN'T SHIT. Mario ISN'T SHIT. Mega Man CAN KEN COMBO.
All of these things add up to make Smash Bros 4 greatest of all time.
We're not even anywhere near people being able to discover advanced techniques either, so we have that to come.
>>262682259
>>262682259
>fgc is ignorant about fighting games
>>262674442
>something it isn't.
It's a game where people can win and lose.
Boom. It has competitive viability.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>262682356
They're not ignorant about fighting game mechanics but they're most likely ignorant about genres and labeling
>muh Melee
>muh Brawl 2.0
it looks like it's own thing, fuck off tourneyfag, I always hated Ice Climbers anyway
>this thread
smashfags will never learn
I hope they patch tripping back in. That shit was hella funny
>>262674442
>There are hundreds of other fighting games out there to compete in.
Most of which use similar mechanics and none of which have what Smash offers.
>I don't understand why so many competitive players try to make Smash into something it isn't.
Because it's the game we all wish more other fighters were like but aren't. It fixes all the shit I hate about other fighters and gives you the freedom and abilities to do awesome shit you can't in anything else.
http://youtu.be/fOPJ5LCxzvg?t=54s
>>262674021
>When you were little and played Smash 64 for the first time, did you care about the competitive scene? No.
Because it never existed, you dipshit.
>Competitive players are entitled assholes...
Because wanting a more fluid game that doesn't have a skill ceiling is totally being entitled, when these things allow for a more fun game all around, from casual to competitive play.
>>262682469
Maybe you're the ignorant one?
>>262682621
No, I consider myself an expert in genres
>>262674304
Nobody, or very few people, want Smash 4 to be "exactly like [Melee]"
Most want it to be its own thing that has speed and rewards aggressive play.
We're also not yet to see the final build in practice. That's what the demo is. It's the final build. Have you not heard that Smash for 3DS is currently in top 5 on Twitch for video game streams?
>>262682172
Well I'm perfectly fine for smash to be called something else than fighting game like Platform Fighter or whatever
But it's still a fucking Fighting game
You can't just reserve that for 2D and 3D alone
And I never said Smash was a Traditional Fighter
>>262682692
Why is everyone calling you a retard then?
>>262682540
What you posted isn't awesome at all
>>262674428
Ah, yes. I forgot that graphics, number of characters and stages make a better game than GAMEPLAY.
Holy fuck, you're retarded.
Even back when I was hyper casual, didn't know about the competitive community etc. I preferred Melee to Brawl, because Brawl was too slow, too floaty and tripping really ground my gears.
>>262682753
Because they're clearly ignorant about genres
>>262682743
Yes you can, because fighting game is another name for SF2-like. You can't arbitrarily change the definition now
>>262672581
>At this point it either seems like Miyamoto Sakurai (and the higher ups) legitimately don't care about the fans of their game franchise
Brawl sold 12 million copies and is the best selling entry in the franchise. Smash tournies are entered by a couple hundred and watched by around 20-30 thousand at max, normally much less. Silent majority overrules tiny vocal minority when it comes to business.
Nintendo don't give a fuck about the couple thousand neckbears crying over competitive gaming. They care about all those millions of kids that just want Mario to fight Link. Fuck, they're now even selling Smash as a skylanders product where you buy little plastic figures that interact with the game. I don't think Nintendo could be more open with who the Smash audience is unless they shot a fucking satellite into orbit that exploded to form the words "SMASH IS FOR CHILDREN."
>>262682853
at this point you're so deep I can't actually tell if you are 'le trolling' or actually think you're right. Even if you were trolling im sure by now you've actually convinced yourself of the opinion you argue so congratulations and good bye
>>262683059
I see you finally acknowledged you have no argument
>>262675032
>>262673175
>>262674021
>>262674358
>>262674428
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>>262676734
>all these butt devastated casual elitists
>liking a game causalized on purpose
>can't learn how to press three buttons at once
B-B-BUT MUH P-P-PARTY GAME GAYS. M-MUH LAY IS T-TOO FAST FOR MR G-GUYS.
>>262682853
>fighting game is another name for SF2-like
Okay back to talking about how Tekken and all other 3D Fighting games are not Fighting games
>>262683184
I said it multiple times, they're not "fighting games", they're "3D fighting games"
>>262683176
If you want a competitive game go and play a real fighter.
Ironic how you call others casual when the only reason you play competitive smash is because you're not good enough to learn a real fighter.
>>262683252
2D or 3D it's still fucking Fighting Games
Saying Fighting Games are only 2D, like you did
>fighting game is another name for SF2-like
Is fucking stupid
>>262683527
How is that stupid? That's how the genre came to be, SF2 is the definition of fighting games
>>262683607
samefag >>262682212
>>262683379
Maybe I enjoy Melee because its not like other fighters but can still be played competitively due to its high learning curve? Maybe I enjoy being part of the scene? Maybe I don't have that special attachment that I have with Melee? Saying its a party game is nothing but an excuse.
>>262683607
No SF2 is the game that defined it not the entire fucking definition of Fighting Game
>>262672581
>Brawl 2.0
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>>262684001
Yes, it defined it, ergo it's the template for the genre. If you diverge too much from it you make a subgenre, like 3d fighter
>>262682307
> Responding serious to bait
Anon.
>>262682769
I'll bite, hook and sinker. What is then?
>>262684096
You're reserving Fighting game for SF alone, if it's not a catbon copy it's not a Fighting Game anymore suddenly
Fighting Game is the overarching Genre
2D or 3D are reffering to specific games
Yet you are telling me Fighting Game is something completly different from a 3D Fighting game
>>262674021
>My little cousin's first Smash was Brawl
>He loved it as much as I loved 64 (immensely)
>This gonna be his Melee
Aww shit
>>262672581
kill yourself. don't shit on smash 4 like you did with brawl.
>>262684503
>Fighting Game is the overarching Genre
source?
Fighting games were 2D since the beginning, it doesn't make sense to say 2D fighter and 3D fighter when 3D is the only one that's different from the "fighting game" established by SF2.
