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just downloaded FFT. I'm decent at most strategy vidya and I've played the shit gba version but anything i should know before getting into it /v/ ?
>>261607976
It is very hard at the start of the game.
Mostly because your units are very weak and have no skills of any sort. You will die a lot.
After the first chapter though, things get easier.
battles take fucking forever. it's pretty much the only thing that hinders me from enjoying srpg
Check the guides for unlocking jobs, you might have a hard time unlocking them without knowing which jobs to level up
>>261607976
>shit gba version
That's a sequel that has nothing to do with this FFT.
Also what the guy above me said, it starts off hard. I recall not getting through Dorter Trade City the first time I played it, but I was retarded and 12.
>>261607976
>shit GBA version
That was a spiritual successor, not a port. It's also fucking great.
>>261610014
my apologies. I misspoke.
>>261607976
Rotate your saves between 3 files. There are certian parts in the game where if you only have 1 or duped files you get completely fucked if you cant beat the whole sequence.
>>261607976
>anything i should know before getting into it /v/ ?
If you can get past Dorter Slums, you will be able to beat the game
Random battles match your character level average, so grinding is useless for that
Story battles are hard-coded levels, so you can potentially grind them if you have too many problems.
This, of course, only matters if you're bad at TRPGs. Godspeed
Watch the first few episodes of HCBailly's playthrough, he explains the mechanics really well.
>>261609956
Also, there are solo battles, and if your MC doesn't have some of the jobs, thou art fucked.
Play 1.3, if you get the time.
It's feminist bullshit.
Perfumes are way OP.
>>261607976
Multiple saves. Could be a lifesaver.
If you grind too much the game becomes a complete joke.
Don't make the main character a caster or support class.
>>261609956
Don't do this. Unless you're so dumb you would try to unlock new wizard classes by leveling Knight.
>Get characters with compatible zodiac signs
>learn gained jp up from Squire job
>get knight with two swords skill that is learned from ninja
>have support character with white magic
other than that, you should be good.
>>261607976
Prepare to draw your sword.
>>261607976
Prolong random encounters.
Basic Action.
Throw Stone.
Throw Stone at your own units.
JP party.
>>261614056
Male generic units do have higher base Phys. Attack than female generic units, but you're right. Perfumes are really good.
>>261607976
Be sure to train up a Thief and get Steal Accessory to steal dem perfumes. Most of them are unique and you're only given one chance to steal them.
Make 3 different save slots and cycle through them, saving at least every 3 hours.
>>261607976
Get ready for the framerate to chug during certain skills. It doesn't matter what you are running it on, the game engine just cant handle some of the skills used in the game very well.
>>261607976
Holy/Calculator
Black Mage/Draw Out
Double Sword
Completely breaks the game. I like that about the game. It can be pretty tough, but at any time you can completely bend the fucker over.
>>261607976
there's a patch to put the PSP translation in the PS version
I guess I'll just ask here.
>anything i should know before getting into it /v/ ?
>>261615617
Leave the thread now before you get fed info like
>>261615206
>>261614796
>>261615087
He's obviously playing the PS1 version, not the shitty PSP one.
>>261615743
Im sorry anon ill stop i promise
>>261616024
The PS1 had that problem too with certain spells / hitting too many units one with attack too iirc It wasn't nearly as bad as the PSP version of course
>>261616024
It's an inerrant problem with the game, regardless of the platform used to play it.
>>261615617
Archers are overpowered, avoid using if you dont want the game to be really damn easy.
otherwise enjoy the best SRPG ever made
>>261615743
Hey, I do that to pass the time, you squire-hating scumbag.
Granted, there probably are better methods to grinding JP. That's just the one that brings me the most joy.
>>261615206
>Black Mage/Draw Out
>not Black Mage/Draw Out/Teleport/Bladegrasp.
in the PS1 version, Bladegrasp is OP
>>261613367
>and if your MC doesn't have some of the jobs, thou art fucked
Its easier to beat "him" with squire than any other class (obviously not counting monk and dragoon cheesing)
>>261617513
So is Abandon if you stack some evade items
>>261613889
what does it change?
>>261618854
Items, AI, spells, classes, monsters, enemy layouts, traps, Brave,Faith, and Zodiac sign effect, and the title screen
>>261607976
get auto potion (chemist skill) on ramza asap. you will need it for at least one fight later on
>>261607976
>anything I should know
Don't. It's easy enough as it is, you don't need to learn 700 different ways of breaking the game (it gives up after a certain point and breaks itself, that's how easy it is).
Of course, if you want a real challenge, you could play FFT 1.3, but that's just going from one extreme into the other.
>>261607976
Monk is the way to go
Gained JP UP
Accumulate
Scream
Yell
>>261615617
Canopus is your nigga 4 lyf.
Also make sure to check the Warren Report constantly for extra events and/or sidequests. They're pretty easy to miss if you don't check it every once in a while.
>tfw you couldn't become a Dark Knight in the original
>>261610503
>FFTA
>good
You can't even breath in that game without the Judges getting into your ass about "MUH LAWS"
I can't handle when I lose units that I trained up (goes for any SRPG really, other than VC that didn't have this problem). This game any different? Are there any other SRPGS/tile turn-based games where I don't have to worry about unit loss?
>>261621646
who needs to be? Get Invisible + Dance is everything you need.
>>261621810
>Can't attack Humans
>Entire enemy team is human
FUCK
>>261621838
Disgaea
DeSu, as long as you do the battles titled "Do This Battle So This Potential Party Member Doesn't Die"
FFT you don't really have to worry about losing units as long as you can revive them/beat the map in 4 of that unit's turns or less
>>261610503
>spiritual successor
>not be able to recruit people just by paying
>job levels are tied to skills
>no true cast time
>no zodiac system
>not even monster breeding.
am i fool for buying the playstation version for my vita during the square sale?
Ive heard there are more classes in the psp one
>>261621067
Gained JP UP erry day, all day.
Also Move+1, Move+2.
>>261622471
no, you made the correct decision
you do get 2 classes extra in the PSP, but they're not worth having to suffer through a garbage script
>>261622520
>more like move MP Up + MP Switch
>>261622641
also you save on l i t t l e m o n e y
>>261622641
Should I leave it for a few months as I'm just finishing up the second story for Front mission 3 and I'm afraid I'll get burnt out on FFT. FFT sshares similar jobs with Bravely default yes?
>>261622995
>FFT sshares similar jobs with Bravely default yes?
no...?
why would you think that
>>261622995
Yes, don't play parallel. You will burn out.
Why couldn't Square Enix just release a Bravely Tactics game? If they don't want to go back to Ivalice, that's fine, but can't they give it a thought to release something that's close to the Original FFT, but new, with Bravely Default jobs and shenanigans?
>>261622471
>More classes in the PS1 ver
Nah nigga, the PSP version has the same classes + a couple new ones (Dark Knight and Onion Knight). The only thing it does about the classes is that it ups the requirements to unlock them (say, in PS1 version you needed lv. 2 archer to become a thief; in the PSP version you need a lv. 3 archer to become a thief and so on) as well as ramping up the prices for some skills, which is really fucking annoying, but still not that huge.
PSP version is not all that bad, but I do prefer the PS1 version myself. Maybe because of nostalgia + the soundtrack sounds kinda botched in the PSP version imo.
>>261622362
Sounds good, thanks.
Rotate your fucking saves, thank me later.
>>261612698
Whatever could you be talking about?
>>261623348
>Why couldn't Square Enix just release a Bravely Tactics game?
Yasumi Matsuno does not work at Square Enix anymore.
No one left at Square is competent enough.
>>261623164
see
>>261623348
I think he means they share naming conventions
>>261613048
Danger from grinding actually comes from random encounters. Sure, getting your levels high will help you with story battles, but you'll also run into chocobo rape squads who will then proceed to live up to their names.
>>261623348
>SRPGs are a dead genre
>>261623913
>tfw Samurai filled encounters
>>261623913
>chocobo rape squads
>not a group of random Calculators
I want to fuck Agrias
>>261623913
>Run into chocobos at early levels when I was just starting to play
>Man these motherfuckers are serious
>Usually kill one of my guys in 3-4 hits
>Prioritize the chocobos and then everyone else
>Get used to chocobo rape squads
>Eventually later on the game meet the red chocobos
>Think that I'm hot shit since the black chocobos are useless and regular chocobos are not a problem anymore
>MEANWHILE AT RED CHOCOBO'S ATTACK FIELD
>CHOCO METEOR
>CHOCO METEOR
>CHOCO METEOR
>CHOCO METEOR
>CHOCO METEOR
>>261623970
But Anon, there are lots of SRPGs, mostly for handheld consolesMost are generic shit and less and less of them are making it out of Japan
>>261607976
Do I have to have an emulator to play 1.3?
>>261623970
In what dimension is this true? You've probably only played the most well known ones like FFT, TO and Disgaea. There's a lot more of them out there.
Don't use Orlandu. He's OP to the point of being ridiculous. He can solo the entire god damn game with just him.
>>261624758
that's kind off stupid, recruit him to clone swords. He's the official "blacksmith" of my party.
>>261624720
I remember this game. Kinda fun with all the routes it had but it was hard as shit if you didn't know about how stats work.
This is still the best armor Ramza gets.
>>261607976
The Playstation version has a flawed and weak Engrish translation that actually cuts some dialog out of the game. Read this translation as you play, and try to find a middle ground through the dialog.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197339-final-fantasy-tactics/faqs/48627
I'm being quite serious when I say that this translation will help make for a better experience. Just ignore the bullshit the author inserted for FF12 like Humes.
Oh, and remember to take all the equipment off Gafgarion before the second battle of Act 2 - Ramza needs his shit more than he does, and Agrias eventually leaves the party when you get to that city with the Cardinal so remember to rob her too before she's gone. Towards the end of Act 3 there's a major difficulty spike where you have some super tough battles consecutively, with a battle where Ramza has a solo duel while separated from your team, and a few missions later when you enter the castle Ramza has to have a pure 1v1 duel that can be challenging before then turning into a team fight which is an absolute nightmare if you're not prepared. Oh, and immediately after that fucking tough mess you have another special battle where you lose if a character dies, while having to fight special enemies that can 1-hit ko you. Bring characters with high movement speed (ninja) and unlimited jump (from Dragoons)
>>261622641
>better translation
>well written
>garbage
Plebs are the worst
>>261624720
vanguard bandits was awesome, the alternate openings for completing different routes were great too
>>261624720
Man I recall trying to play this game back when I was a retarded little kid. Does it still hold up? I want to try to emulate it. All that shit with giant robots and the attack animations was rad as shit.
>>261624987
Whoops, I got my segments mixed up. The part where he's separated is in Act 2.
>>261625086
>pseudo-victorian trash
>good
only plebs can be dazzled with gaudy refuse
>>261624987
>read the translation as you play
Are there really people this autistic?
>>261607976
That you should be playing Tactics Ogre instead.
>>261625127
I think it holds up technically. Localization and anime style are separate matters altogether, though. It may take some endurance.
>>261623378
It didn't up requirements, they were lowered from the original japanese version for the western PS1 releases, it's just a return to the original.You couldn't steal the genji gear in the jap original
>>261625607
When it comes to turn based rpg games. Wouldn't shock me.
>>261625727
>soup nazi joke
Seriously?
>>261625086
Thou wouldst dare defend such malarkey? Insufferable trollop!
But seriously, there's no reason to tinge the script with old-english, and it does a passive-cover up on the major anti-catholic themes in the story by adding polytheism. It doesn't even have "Animals have no god" from Algus.
>>261624609
Bump
1.3 patch is fun. Enemies tend to carry an endless supply of potions however.
>>261624382
only people with shit taste don't
>>261625923
You what.
ARR is the best FF game since Tactics.
>>261624720
>says SRPGs aren't dead
>posts a fucking PS1 game
>>261625607
Look, it's not ideal, but it helps make the story a lot better, I promise. I mean, what the fuck is a Nanten or Hokuten anyway? This translation gets points on that stuff alone.
> I've always really hated "Hokuten" and "Nanten". These are Japanese words for "North Sky" and "South Sky", and sound misplaced in a quasi-medieval setting. The Hokuten and Nanten, are, directly translated from Japanese "The Northern Sky Knight Troop" (Hokuten Kishidan) and "The Southern Sky Knight Troop" (Nanten Kishidan). Instead of this, I use "Knights of the Northern Skies" or "Knights Aquilor" (based on the northern wind, Aquilo), and "Knights of Southern Skies" or "Knights Austeron" (based on the southern
wind, Auster).
>>261626339
>hurrr WHY DOES JAPANESE GAEM USE JAPANESE WORDS
autism
Protip for grinding at any level:
Get into random battle.
Beat down monsters and goons until there is only one left.
Bring it down to minimal health.
Monster/goon will run and hide in corner of the map and just wait every turn (unless it can heal itself, fucking yellow chocobos)
Have your own party smack each other around and heal eachother until you can't stand it anymore.
You won't get much gil, but you won'thave to click the overmap hoping for battles. It works well cuz merely causing damage or healing, even 1 HP, will get you XP and JP. You only get bonuses for killing.
>>261626012
Really, complaints about the new translation in WotL really do mainly come from the removal of iconic lines more than anything else.
>>261626481
Even if it's autism, the game does have a bad translation dude.
>>261626219
http://youtu.be/kNwbjcuQUv8?t=14s
>>261626623
>Attack phrases removed
DROPPED BEFORE I EVEN PICKED IT UP
>>261626305
Most of us have never even finished the other classics that are out, so why would we want new ones?
I mean, most people haven't even beaten a single Ogre Battle/ Tactics Ogre game. Final Fantasy Tactics ends up being enough to last most fans for a lifetime. In our case it appears that will be rather literal.
>>261624609
I patched my PSP WotL to 1.3 and it works fine.
>>261626598
>grinding at any level
>>261626339
Because most translators fall into the trap of doing literal translations. That's the difference between a translation and localization.
>>261626675
the original ps1 version undoubtedly
the only people who dislike the WotL re-translation are nostalgiafags
>>261626623
>tfw that line didn't return in WotL
>tfw no attack lines that pop up when you cast magic or sword arts
Goddammit. It's my autism speaking but those things were iconic.
>>261626908
>Most of us have never even finished the other classics that are out, so why would we want new ones?
That is flawed thinking. Dude, I don't want to play 20 year old games that will just continue to get older as time passes.
>>261626481
> WHY TRANSLATE GAMES AT ALL?
Autism.
>>261626012
I still can't decide if LUCT's new script is better or worse.
>>261626598
EXP is proportional to the level difference between the 2 units. Have your lower level characters Dash/Throw Stone at your highest level. If you're grinding your highest level character as well, have Ramza Yell them to max speed, then have that character Accumulate/heal themself
>>261625363
it aged pretty well, it suffers from 3d graphics of the psx era but since most of the models are pretty simple anyway it's not that bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er1vEkWx1pw
>>261612698
Easier way to get around this: if you save the game through the menu, you're good. If the game asks you to save, tell it to fuck off.
>>261626230
Nah it isn't. Questgrind and duty finder are shit.
Go back to /vg/ faggot, this is a Tactics thread.
>>261627046
>>261626841
the worst part is that the data for all the attack phrases is still there, someone just turned off the bit that makes the engine look at them during battle
for no fucking reason whatsoever
I swear that and the stupid hardcoded slowdown and maybe sound quality are what people should bitch about, not the flowery language WHICH MATSUNO WANTED
>>261626969
thou thyest thine thouery of thoth translationest thou thee
>>261626623
> Tough... don't blame us. Blame yourself or God.
> Animals have no God.
> People are comfortable being used!
> 'God' is nothing but an image created out of their insecurity. It's their fault for knowing they're comfortably numb, and not doing anything about it.
Even with the butchered translation there were some fantastic lines. It's a real shame they dropped the ball with shit like Hokuten, and completely cutting out Meliadoul's dialogue when she confronts her father.
>>261627073
>drove a car today
>wheels suck, they're so 6,000 B.C.E.
so long as a game has a stylized art style and not realistic, the age of the game doesn't matter for shit
>>261615743
My final build for Ramza was a Squire with 2 sword skill with excalibur and save the queen.
Dat haste+protect combo.
>>261627624
It's not just the age of the game, i'm saying I don't want these games to be the only ones i play for the rest of time.
>>261627369
I think the problem was that WOTL is really a half-assed port with superficial additions like the new cinematics while fucking up the very foundations of the game.
>>261627073
SRPG's peaked like Orson Well's career. It's a niche genre and most aren't interested in tackling it, especially when one can argue those clever japs already made the best games possible.
I want to like this game but the clunky camera controls and the battles taking forever put me off really good.
>>261626339
then why not use the fucking PSP translation readily available to patch to your PS1 iso?
>>261627857
>battle mechanics unchanged
>no more mistranslation induced plotholes
nostalgiafags
Littlemoney
>>261624979
>tfw chapter 4 ramza gets booty-licious tights.
>>261626598
Also note that when a class gains JP, everyone else on your side gains 1/4 of the gained JP as well. That's why if you had a lancer who gained 1000 JP over the course of the fight, everyone else would get 250 JP to lancer as well, even if they don't have the class unlocked yet.
So if you only want to train one guy's class, make everyone that class and just gain JP with all of them. Remember to equip JP Up as well. Likewise, if you need someone to learn two jobs at once, just make sure they participate with characters of another job so they gain JP in that one too.
>>261627695
Squire ends up being Ramza's default class. His custom version of Squire ends up being ridiculously overpowered, especially with all the class-buffs and extra powers.
Just tack on a few class abilities and let him loose.
![Vs-ashleywyvern[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/i2aym1E.jpg "Vs-ashleywyvern[1].jpg")
>>261628098
>>261624720
Are there more games thematically like FFT and Tactics Ogre? Vandal Hearts 2 comes to mind but that's about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-N2dmJS2ME
>>261626623
I actually liked the weird dialogue they used for their attack and spells, it felt like an ancient prayer or incantation that of course wouldn't come off as normal in whatever era FFT takes place in.
>>261627569
>Animals have no God.
This whole dialogue was just really fantastic, really defined Wiegraf's sister and Algus.
>>261628067
Because we're true patricians not plebian garbage stuttering over thou thy thee thouest.
>>261627046
I hated attack lines at one part -- the opening battle where all you control is Ramza. You still have to hang around and manually skip them because even if you put it on auto battle, it doesn't skip the dialog automatically.
Other than that, I'm pretty neutral about it all.
>>261626623
>pssht nothing personal kid
I've been starting and restarting this game every few days for awhile. How much do signs/gender matter for endgame? Should I take the time to recruit a team that perfectly complements each other? Should I make all the men physical damage and the women spellcasters?
There's 2 versions of 1.3, the good version and the shitty version. The shitty version which is found at insanedifficulty or the good version which used to be hosted at ffhacktics. Shitty version changes black mages and archers to be bullshit OP classes, removes a lot of the difficulty but punishes grinding too much and in general is a shitty patch. The good version is, however, harder to find, but if you do find it go for easy type (which doesn't make the game easier, it just doesn't make it impossible to beat if you gain more than 1 level per battle).
IF YOUR CHARACTERS DIE,IT'S PERMANENT
>>261628441
no, not those lines
spell incantations and stuff
>>261628328
Vagrant Story is a sequel to Final Fantasy Tactics that takes place on the unseen eastern continent that the kingdom of Ivalice went to war with prior to FFT, with many of the same themes and even a a few insults leveled at the Glabados church.
Unless you like to speedrun things without training your units the game is not hard.
Just remember to never train or use calculator or your fun will be spoiled.
>actually, the most fun I ever got in this game was fighting in that trap battle with most of my units being level 3-4 knights and a calculator Ramza. Took a beating for around 40-50 minutes until Ramza had enough speed to spam some spells
>>261628821
and if an important character, ie ramza, dies
you automatically loose
can't even raise or pdown him
>>261607976
This girl is your friend. She did nothing wrong.
>>261629025
Didn't Matsuno say VS isn't a FF game? Which makes all the references to FFT just that, references? Then again, he has flip-flopped over the years on that matter.
>>261629038
>have an entire team of calculators
>find that perfect calculation that hits most of the enemies and none of your team
>unstoppable death
>>261628095
Fucking HCBaily
>>261629498
>not just wearing chameleon robes and using holy
>>261610014
Dorter is basically the first layer of hell, but once you figure it out it's smoother sailing from there.
If you do 1.3 patch, going into the desert replaces Dorter as the first layer of hell, and you don't scramble your way back into sanity once you leave.
>>261629402
MCLAAAAAAANEEEEE
>>261628328
I actually really wish VH2 was more popular if only so I can discuss with someone, but it sadly isn't the case.
>different from the first game
>people can't stand the simultaneous turn system
>FFT wannabe with a political story
Such is life in Vandal Hearts 2.
>>261629392
Ramza and Wiegraf could have been friends. They all could have been friends. Wiegraf was just Ramza but in a different scenario, sister and everything. The only thing is that Ramza is hardcore when it comes to his morality, even in desperation he would have never used a zodiac stone.
>>261629919
>people can't stand the simultaneous turn system
WHY, IT'S SO EASY TO EXPLOIT
>>261629779
I'm a calculator. At this point, tedious formulations and hitting everybody, even myself, is my passion.
>>261607976
Wiegraf can be beaten by Monk Ramza with his squire secondary.
Chakra + move HP up to heal, Yell for when you aren't dead, and keep moving.
On the other hand, it makes the boss battle right after piss easy because A: Monk Ramza OP, and B: You keep all of your buffs/debuffs when it transitions, including the insane speed upping you'll be doing.
Max speed is 50
>>261629919
The main difference between FFT and VH2 is that the latter takes place in a post apocalyptic world, which is mindblowing when you discover it.
Heard you wanted the end the war. Well, here I am. Congratulations, you win.
Questions:
1) FFT: PS1 or PSP
2) Should I play FFT or Tactics Ogre first?
Thanks for answering me.
>>261630765
Unfortunately, they both also devolve into ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS for no real reason when purely political stories would've sufficed.
>>261622050
>No ranged attacks
>melee a unit
>its a critical and the enemy moves back a space
Fuck you game
>>261622050
What's wrong, didn't get that R4 Anti-law I had in stock for an entire fucking month because you're too stingy?Enjoy your shitty real life.
>>261630931
FFT on emulator, with the 1.3 fan patch.
Unless you're a casual that is.
>>261630168
>Played FFT as a kid
>Didn't understand English well so I had to deduce from some words and actions what was going on most of the time
>Play it a few years later, have a decent grasp of English
>Wiegraf was a good guy all along and had legit reasons for doing what he did
>mfw you pretty much fuck up his whole life, kill his sister, fuck up his dreams and turn him into a monster
FFT my first exposure to serious plots in a video game.
>>261630931
PSP if you're patching it to get rid of the slowdown
Play FFT before any of the Ogre games. FFT is a lot more straightforward.
>>261631426
Turns out the trick to having engaging stories is giving your characters valid and believable motivations for their actions. Who knew?
>>261631098
It would be nice if ''ancient evil awakens'' in those settings would be someone discovering an old stock of ICBMs and get them ready to fly.
The last boss would be fought with swords and magic in an old, forgotten, crumbling Cold War era bunker filled with flora with Minutemen about to rain death once more.
>>261607976
It's probably the best FF imo.
>>261607976
Get the newer translation. You'll be happier.
>>261630931
1. PS1
2. TO
>>261631846
>Who knew?
most vidya writers don't, that's for sure
>>261631284
I want to fuck Ezels ear pussies.
>>261631426
I didn't realize it as a kid either, then again I sorta ignored the whole plot. Played it years later and I see it all for what it is. Wiegraf even went out of his way to tell the rest of his people not to kidnap and ransom or pull stupid shit but they did anyway. Then people like Ramza who are raised with strict expectations and in an ill informed society end up fucking up people he probably would have sided with.
>sister is kidnapped and with the worst people possible for a long time
>one brother turns into a monster he has to kill
>another brother becomes an undead monstrosity that begs for death
>friends die, people who could have been friends die, his own family disowns him
>his best friends has gone a completely separate path
>the world declares Ramza an enemy
>his entire country is falling apart at every seam
>history writes him off as a lying piece of shit and kills anyone who says otherwise
>fights the devil and her council
>never breaks down and never stops fighting for what he believes is right even if he's never rewarded
Ramza had a hard life. Everyone had a hard life.
>>261607976
Read up on Faith and Brave and how it effects each character. Besides that.... it is rather typical game play mechanics.... also there are some enemy moves you only get one or two opportunities to learn.
>>261631846
I've got to admit, I didn't expect that epilogue.I didn't expect such a brutal scene to happen with that music in the background. I also didn't expect Delita to pretty much realize what he had been doing all along and just say "What the fuck did I just do?"
It was a great way to end the game. I'm playing through Tactics Ogre now and I expect great things out of it.
>>261631426
You didn't fuck up Wiegraf, the nobles in power, his own thugs, and then even he somewhat fucked it up.
The nobles for starting this whole mess by turning their backs on them, and the thugs for turning to attacking innocents and giving ruining the image of the entire movement.
Ramza gets involved when they start asking for ransoms and kidnapping small children. Wiegraf is 100% against it and makes it known so very clearly, but he doesn't take strong enough control of his operation and they just keep doing shitty things that makes them all look bad.
>>261631846
it's goddamn matsuno. that man knows how to conceptualize and write believable scenarios. he also took inspiration from yugoslav wars for tactics ogre.
>replace Dorgalua Oberyth Valeria with Josip Broz Tito
suddenly everything makes sense
>>261633218
And he ends up being the best king ever.
>>261632886
>never breaks down and never stops fighting for what he believes is right even if he's never rewarded
This is why I still consider Ramza as one of the greatest FF protagonist in any game. He began the game when he was at around 16 and finished it at around his early 20's, and he never complained, whined or had emo moments. Instead, he got shit done despite everything basically screaming "FUCK YOU RAMZA" at every turn. He just took everything and kept fighting for what he believed in despite his own brothers and everyone else believing that he was a heretical piece of shit that was literally Hitler and the scum of the Earth.
I only wish we could have another protag as based as Ramza in another FF
>>261607976
Bards and mimics are great fun until you get into a Ramza 1 on 1 fight.
But seriously, 2 Dancers, 3 mimics. Have the dancers do the damage dance. It's hilarious.
>tfw there will never be good FFT sequel.
>>261634871
At least we got a Chocobo mystery dungeon on the Wii before that all went belly up too
Bumping for Ajora's sake
>>261623751
The roof above the castle is even more bullshit.
>beat velius
>fuck yeah
>next battle should be easy
>don't have ninjas or anyone with 9 speed
>rafa runs in the middle of the fucking room
>stop bracelet
>game over times infinity
>>261635125
I've never played any of the chocobo dungeon game, are they any good?
>>261636117
>>261607976
You could have gone into one of the best games ever made pure blind and you fucking blew it. Why you do this man. And this thread is full of enablers. Is nothing sacred?
>>261630772
>assassins have a 75% chance to instantly charm him
ohshit
>>261636509
They're below Torneko in terms of the best magic dungeon games. So, some of the best. Though FF Fables was rather short.
>>261636117
>you don't have to duel in TO
But why wouldn't you?
im looking forward to this, even tho i hear it isnt great i still want t give it a try.
most complaints i read are about difficulty and not much else so i dont know if its a broken game or if people are just shit and cant handle it.
anyone have any input on it?
>>261636117
>That feel when the bottom scene was not like mine.
I really can't wait to go back and play the branch paths on TO.
>>261637297
>>261636295
That battle is literally just a test to see if you have a bait character or a speedy glass cannon. You don't even have to kill them all you need to do is knock one of them into crit to end the fight, but you have to do it before Rafa gets murderized.
>>261636509
I've played 2 on the Ps1, and the Wii one. The PS1 game has partner characters which are pretty useful (although if a monster kills anything, from one of your AI buddies to another monster, they level up instantly), and you can summon more with feathers (which are randomly granted for breaking your equipment, so expect to never get any). Also, if you have a second controller in you can have a friend play the partner character. They can move anywhere on screen before you make your move and attack once/turn (but they can't use the AI's special abilites, like Mog's steal or Shiroma's much needed healing)
The Wii version has extra challenge levels (most of which you have to do to advance the story) and plenty of extra stuff to explore before postgame. Also an entire minigame corner. The only thing I have with it is that you have to go back to re-beat dungeons to get summon stones. The story is also a bit more coherent. ALSO, there's a class system, but don't be fooled the only class you need is white mage for heal, holy, auto-raise, and my personal favorite the ability to charge up extra ability points.
Gameplay-wise, both are pretty good.
>>261636117
I can't tell if it's nostalgia or what, but I just can't get into FFTactics on the psp. I hate that ye olde englishe style of speaking they have. It works okay when you can hear it, but when you have to read it it loses its strength.
>>261637390
They're quite numerous. Did you go into the Palace of the Dead already?
>>261637378
Who didn't like it?
>>261637654
One thing I wanna add is that it's a must to save empty bottles in the PS1 game.
You can collect monster essence by killing them with an empty bottle, and that can work wonders when it comes to equipment crafting.
That and teleport tags are the best kicking items. If you have more than one teleport tag you can teleport troublesome enemies away by kicking a spare at them. The item kicking applies for both games.
>>261637805
The lower one is Tactics Ogre though. Not to mention that the PSP script of FFT is closer to the Jap translation, clearer, naturally, and devoid of shit like "l i t t l e m o n e y". There's some names I hated in the new script though, like Algus', and Tietra's, but overall, I prefer the new one, even if I found the original to have a certain charm.
>>261629919
I love vh2 but it was so easy to exploit it, there was never a battle that gave me any challenge. Also, that gothic music just went on and on. I liked it but it did get very repetitive
>>261637654
>rafa gets murdered before one of your characters can act
>only save file
welp
>>261638672
I'm aware of the truer translation and all that, but the original, despite its flaws, had those few abso-fuckin-lutely golden lines that have stuck with many of us for years. The psp one, while totally acceptable, never really has any "Holy shit!" moments.
>>261631098
That's just Berserk's influence on Matsuno. TO was a bit more grounded, despite the gods, angels and ogres and all that.
>>261639254
I find dead men rout more easily.
>>261638390
japan
>>261638672
>and devoid of shit like "l i t t l e m o n e y"
fuck you
>this script is so great even though it removes all of the iconic idiosyncrasies
I bet you'd defend a Final Fantasy without chocobos, too.
I suck too hard at FFT.
I'm just not good. And how am I supposed to get better when there's level scaling?
>>261639254
I felt the original was a bit plain. People back then didn't really speak like they do in FFT, language was way rougher, so to speak, back then, but to me, the Vagrant Story style of Alex O. Smith fits Ivalice more, and the Valerian Isles as well.
>>261639909
Only level scaling for randoms, story battles stay the same.
You're going to suck until you level enough to make some of the better classes. Just focus on changing your dudes from shitty squires into stuff that's actually useful and you'll do alright.
>>261607976
See this motherfucker, he can ruin 30 hours of gameplay if you don't multiple save, also you will hate Dorter but it's the first real trial you'll face, losing units is never a good option unless it's something you can easily replace and in that case you probably just need to git gud.Also strip gafgarion
>>261639757
They're products of a shitty translation, so fuck YOU. And I would, if it did other things right. 4 Heroes of Light doesn't have a Cid, Chocobos OR Moogles, and it was more of a Final Fantasy than the entire FF XIII trilogy.
>>261639909
>when there's level scaling?
The story battles aren't. Only the random free battles are scaled.
>And how am I supposed to get better
Where are you stuck? Chapter 1 is actually the hardest chapter in the game. Specifically, the Dorter Slums with the black mages on the roof and the knight on the ground. That battle is meant to teach the player to not dive balls deep. Sometimes letting the enemies inch toward you (to disadvantageous terrain) is preferable to getting assfucked from the rooftops.
>>261639909
Where are you stuck right now?
Mostly of times it's just leveling and finding out new jobs, a lancer, a ninja and a mage (either black with white magic or summoner with time magic) are a must on your team
>>261639909
You should try 1.3, where the story battles have scaling levels, there are humans all over the random encounters, the AI gets more JP and potion/phoenix down are free skills, and if you level too much the enemy's equipment goes up a tier and you get royally fucked because of it.
>>261640414
Feels good knowing that even as a child I wasn't stupid enough to save over my main file during the continuous battles, not that I had trouble with the duel thanks to monk Ramza being overpowered.
>>261623348
Don't you have a SEED thread to be posting in
>>261642604
>>261623913
Don't even get me started on those fucks. I used that first random battle area to get Ramza and 4 other generics maxed out on their classes. Try taking out a fucking normal Chocobo when it'll just run away and use Choco Cure and all you have is a basic Long Sword or Dagger.
Fuck.
>turn all your units into Monks
>Chakra
>Repeating Fist
>Chakra
>Repeating Fist
>Have only played FFTA
>Afraid my casual ass will get rocked inside out
![dsp%20wooow[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G5qydSc.jpg "dsp%20wooow[1].jpg")
>>261642936
>Grinding
>Using level 1 weapons against level 50 instead of stealing weapons or inviting a monster
>Not surrounding the Chocobo before it reaches critical health
>>261643750
>Human characters
>In random battles
only in 1.3, and when that happens you're fucked long before you can get a thief with any item theft skills.
>>261643027
>chakra
>on uneven terrain so only one person gets healed
>repeating fist
>1 damage
>>261643750
>not wanting access to all the classes to make a good balanced and fun team to go through the game with
>implying the chocobo didn't wreck my shit before I finally killed it
It's like you've never faced chocobo rape squads before.
>>261644514
>only in 1.3
uwot
>>261644724
Human enemies in random encounters are hella rare in vanilla.
In the fanpatch they are commonplace.
>>261645369
Doesn't change the fact that they still happen
>Balthier got down and dirty with Fran and the Bunansa bloodline is still going on strong more than a millennia later
>>261645739
Not often enough to upgrade your equipment
>>261646000
it's only a good way to get rune blades anyway
>>261644519
>5 people heal that doesn't use MP on even terrain if you aren't a dumbass
>if you are a badass player like me you get the crit 1-shot RFs
>>261647794
>5 people heal that doesn't use MP on even terrain if you aren't a dumbass
Because every map has lots of flat terrain
>>261645887
Mustadio is so OP
I'd put him as powerful as Orlandu
>>261648142
maybe if guns had more damage potential
>>261647794
>Stacking 5 people together just so you can chakra
>Not spreading them out, throwing potions or using a healing spell when needed, dispersing damage
Nigger, you're about as dumb as the people who don't use monks because they can't use a sword.
>>261648329
>the guns that actually had some good/decent attack are obtained close to the endgame
>people dying on early chapters of FFT
How does it feel being a filthy YOLO casual?
>>261648142
His disables had such a high success rate
So good for how early you got him
Anyone here play Crimson Shroud?
>all dat FFT and Vagrant Story
>>261648831
yeah i'm sure you had no trouble with dorter
>>261649693
I was debating buying it. How many hours can I get out of it?
>>261648329
The elemental ones were rad.
>shit gba version
you should know you're a faggot before getting into it
>>261649693
>>261650026
It's pretty good. Its about 10 hours long, and you have to beat it twice to get everything.
For the price, its worth it if you enjoy games by yasmat.
>>261651259
>For the price, its worth it if you enjoy games by yasmat.
that I do
to the point that I get driven out of Tetsuya Nomura threads for being a Matsunofag
>>261650026
It's not overly long, unless you're looking to fully upgrade your equipment, but maybe 20 hours if you don't rush it. I myself have almost 90 hours logged in, but I've beaten it three times already, and the last one, I was writing down the entire script, which was particularly time consuming because there's small choices in the game, and there's also a New Game+ feature where the game gets harder and every enemy drops new weapons, the chests get refilled, there's more areas to visit, and an alternate ending to unlock. It's more of a traditional RPG though, very different from Matsuno's usual SRPGs or VS/FFT, but it FEELS like an Ivalice game, because he got his old team mostly back together, except Yoshida didn't draw the characters and monsters. And it's like a VN outside of combat, but I'm sure that won't be a negative for you if you're a fan of Matsuno's writing.
>>261651487
>It's more of a traditional RPG though, very different from Matsuno's usual SRPGs or VS/FFT
I like dungeon crawlers like Etrian Odyssey, The Dark Spire, or Grimrock. Is it close to those?
