>They were cut because the 3ds couldnt handle 8 characters on screen at the same time.
I really hope Sakurai makes them Wii U exclusive, fuck the 3ds.
That would suck if true, and I don't really doubt it, but what about Rosalina and Luma?
no one wants ice chain-grabbers back
>implying they won't be available on the new 3DS
>>260709314
The issue stems from Ice Climbers using more complex coding than any other character, particularly the input delay and switch to AI at certain range. Rosalina and Luma don't function the same way as Ice Climbers.
>>260709078
Nope, 3DS and WiiU rosters are confirmed 100% the same. Get fukt handoff chaingrabbing nigger, you're not ruining another game.
They should of made Kerfuffle a N3DS exlusive
>>260709437
What if they could actually put them without problem but they just don't want to balance them.
>>260709314
Luma isnt an entire character, more like an extension but ice climbers are 2 complete models in one.
>>260709637
They wont be, go cry.
You need to chill out.
>>260709314
Luma probably uses much simpler pathfinding than Nana, which uses the full AI and can be simultaneously controlled in various situations, putting more stress on the game.
>>260709078
Yeah, let's ignore the console that's actually making money for the company.
>>260709314
Luma isnt the same size as Rosalina.
They even had to limit the pikmin count of olimar to 3.
Considering you can have four Rosalinas, that's bullshit.
More likely they were cut since they're by far the least important characters to ever be in Smash.
>>260710042
And if the 3DS can handle 12 Pikmin AIs, why are 4 Nana AIs a bigger problem?
>>260709782
Actually, Nana is always in AI mode. She just follows your lead when you're close together
>>260710063
>>260710028
Rosalina's luma is a direct extension of her unlike the climbers which can seperate and become their own controlled entity. you cannot desynch luma, it's a 1:1 entirely player controlled entity the entire time, which means the CPU wouldnt have to work as hard as if it were the climbers.
>replacing a 2 time veteran with nintendo's lightning
sakurai is a fucking hack
>>260710140
Because Pikmin have simpler AI that's separate from the games main AI.
what about Assist Trophies / Pokemon? Lets throw a bunch of those around.
dont tell me the 3DS can't handle this
>>260710063
Luma is not the same thing jesus, just because its separated from Rosalina it doesnt mean its the same as having 2 characters for 1 player.
Let's make this extra salty.
They come back, as assist trophies.
>>260710140
Pikmin AI is very simple. Just follow Olimar, try not to get killed.
Nana's AI has to be as complicated as a computer controlled character. It has to move, jump, attack, grab items, etc. It's basically having a fifth player on screen that the game has to keep track of. When you take into account that the game would have to handle four Ice Climbers...
>>260710504
Seeing as they had a limit of 3 poke balls active in Brawl, they might bring that back for Smash 4
>>260710140
>>260710437
So does Nana.
>>260710504
Thats the point, they need to create the worst scenario with the max amount possible of assist throphies (thing that i am sure must freeze the game for 3ds by itself) AND 4 ice climbers, besides Nana is by far much more complex than an assist throphy.
>>260709078
becomes DLC for people who have the New 3ds
>>260710751
didnt know that, wasnt that much of a brawlfag though.
the first thing i'll do if i lay hands on the game is fuck around with 4 olimars and a bunch of pokeballs AND assist trophies
I'm glad they're out. Rosalina is a much more elegant way of implementing the gimmick.
>>260710825
nana is actually the equivalent to lv 3 cpu if I recall correctly. She just has other commands for when she's with popo
even the gamecube could handle 4 Ice Climbers on stage.
do you think the Gamecube is more powerful than a New 3DS?
>>260711078
>I'm glad they're out.
Same, nobody ever used them either except when we got bored and just wanted to fuck around.
>>260709314
What about them?
>3DS can handle 8 racers in MK8 just perfectly
>but can't handle 8 ice climbers
3DS is not the problem, retards
>>260711369
>>260711369
Or they did gay shit like this 24/7. No way to escape those handoffs at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw8fRxWurO4
>thinking the 3DS is the problem
It has a better CPU and GPU than the gamecube
>>260709078
>3ds couldnt handle 8 characters on screen at the same time.
Suddenly the doubled ram/vram and cpu update for New 3DS makes a whooole lot of sense.
>>260711078
Not really. She looks just as clunky. Besides its not even the same gimmick.
>>260711554
Because a racing game is the same as a fighting game
>>260709078
is there source that they were cut because the 3ds couldnt handle 8 characters?
if not then shut the hell up we dont know everything until the game is released
>>260711439
this actually took skill and execution to pull off watch how he has to input a move and time nana's throws to coincide with popos
a lot of peopple that don't know shit just say ic were broken but at best he was mid tier.
also rosalina a shit, tired of seeing her forced into every nintendo title
/g/ here. You guys are profoundly dumb.
>>260711773
But its graphical capabilities have to be sacrificed because of the 3D effect.
>Muh Luma
>Muh Pikmin
Luma and Pikmin aren't the same thing. They're much more simpler and the most they do on their own is foklow a direct path back to their owner. Nana has to function as a completely separate player in certain situations, including recovering and navigating the stage.
>>260712024
>also rosalina a shit, tired of seeing her forced into every nintendo title
Oh yeah, you mean in ALL those games like 3D World and Smash!
Yeah, sooo many fucking games forcing her.
>>260712024
>Melee climbers took skill
FTFY, Brawl climbers are oversimplified garbage hiding behind Brawl's shitty nostun shields.
>>260709078
>Rosalina and Luma
pls go
>>260709078
Cut polycount and texture size of them in half, problem solved.
>>260709078
Source?
>>260712061
>tfw Olimar lost 3 Pikmin
RIP little buddies
>>260711359
That's not how it works, different architecture. Example: Square began making FF on the N64 but ended up putting FF7 on the PS because N64 couldn't handle what they wanted to do, and N64 was actually a more powerful console.
>>260709078
The only reason you like them is because you regularly play as them
Just find a new main, faggot.
>>260712171
that can be applied to brawl anything you nignog
>>260710063
>More likely they were cut since they're by far the least important characters to ever be in Smash.
Lucas says hi. Though he was cut too so who knows.
>>260712214
That doesn't take load off the CPU for the amount of calculations it has to do for the 8 separate AI's, plus a shit ton of items (if you're a casual) plus smashballs (again casual) and assist trophies... Nana has always been a separate AI that the hardware has to consider on its own.
>>260712214
Considering the amount of backlash that babbies kick and scream about every time their 1080p game dips to 59FPS even if there are hundreds of enemies on screen, I think they're right to just cut the character than lose some quality
>>260712479
I dont play brawl, or ice climbers, and I can walk back and forth and space and wait for handoffs, which are super easy in that game. Brawl climbers take no skill.
>>260712546
>Follow_popo;
>>260711734
Goddamn they look so terrible, all that clipping into each other. No wonder they always felt out of place.
Minor question
When luma gets knocked off the stage, can rosalina call it back, or is it doomed as soon as someone hits luma with a smash attack? Every time I see rosalina gameplay, they hit luma, it just falls straight down, inches from the ledge of the stage, while rosalina stands there and watches it die
>>260711773
Then why hasn't nintendo ported any Gamecube games to the 3DS yet?
>>260712816
When its not near popo it has to act independantly as another character. what are you not getting about this? Are you a complete illiterate?
>>260709078
>the 3ds couldnt handle 8 characters on screen at the same time.
If someone was playing Ice Climbers there would only be up to 5 on screen, what's the issue?
>>260712951
Yes I've seen Bill call it back.
>>260712734
Again, brawl <character> takes no skill can be applied to all characters
>>260713210
4 people can play the same character
>>260713062
So it switches to a standard AI that probably takes less effort than even a lvl.1 CPU. In a game that lets you fight more than 4 AI at a time, this doesn't sound like a major hindrance.
There is no actual evidence to back up this theory. It's all just hearsay.
>>260712024
Yeah, except my point was IC is nothing like Rosalina and Luma. Thanks for confirming.
>>260709078
I hate IcedDick Climbers. Sucks to be one of you queers that actually liked these gay tosspots.
>>260713256
>Implying anyone could have understood the gramaticle nightmare you created in >>260712479
>>260713056
I don't know.
Ask Capcom why RE4 looks like shit compared to REvelations
REMEMBER THIS POST
Ice Climbers will be made as a "special incentive DLC for buying the new 3DSes. Officially it will be an extra incentive for getting a new 3DS, but in reality, it will be because the new 3DS can handle 8 ice climbers while the old one can't. Save this post, I'm calling it now.
>>260713827
You got kinda a gay obsession huh?
>>260713596
How has nobody posted the easy sauce to shut retards like this up.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/03/creating-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds?page=2
"Sakurai did tell me that “multiple character” combatants like the Ice Climbers were proving a technical challenge on the 3DS."
Holy shit, you lazy fucks, first google result
>>260713056
>>260713372
But why the hell would they?
>>260713596
actually it is a lvl 1 cpu, but there is a glitch that can be done so it becomes a lvl 9 cpu. So if said glitch could be done in 3ds, it would lag the game or make it crash?
Being cut because of X characters on-screen doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, because they could just cut the detail on each twin to make them not much more intensive than a single character.
>>260714029
Burden of proof is not on us.
Thanks for finally providing a source.
>>260714052
>that's not a Gamecube game
>>260709812
>implying it won't be on the new 3ds so that what he said is technically true
I don't even like them but that's the most obvious solution. They'll be DLC and only available if you have the N3DS or the Wii U.
Sidenote, I actually really like and think the New 3DS is a good name for ti.
>>260714151
Why not?
>>260714029
>"Sakurai did tell me that “multiple character” combatants like the Ice Climbers were proving a technical challenge on the 3DS."
Well shit, that could mean anything.
>>260709078
I don't get why people are so rustled about them not being there anymore. They're BY FAR the most boring characters in the game. Ever since Melee when my friend and I were playing it choosing random characters, if we stumbled upon Ice Climbers, we could reroll. They're twice the headache to play with no payoff, one of them dies ? Well sucks to be you becauser you're better just jumping in the pit than continue playing with only one of them.
Their design is shit, all their special moves are shit and they become even shittier when alone. Who the fuck even play them ?! I wanna say elitists and/or hipsters, that's about it.Ice Climber sucked as a NES game too. They were in one game, so Shulk has more right than them to be in the game. Deal with it.
>>260714151
Because they can and 4-Player G&W matches are so fucking fun.
>>260713882
>ice climbers are n3DS exclusive
>>260714339
It could mean you're an irrational retard who refuses to believe what you've already convinced yourself of, and if ice climbers are cut, that is the reason
>>260714179
It's not the detail, it's having to process up to 8 cpu characters at once.
>>260714186
This is information you should know already if you'd actually lurk more.
>>260709437
Where they able to do that in Brawl?
>>260713867
RE4 was built for 6th gen, and REvelations uses a (scaled down) 7th gen engine.
Also, the only good looking thing it has are the models. The environments look like shit and there's a reason most of the game takes place in a dark and compact cruiseship
>>260714151
It doesn't matter why, the game just can't support it
>>260714370
This. Never met anyone who even liked them, let alone mained them.
>>260713950
Nah, I just think IcedDick Climbers were gay and you're just mad that you're a gay loser both in life and now in smash bros. Now go post that "projecting" post. That'll show 'em!
>>260714370
>I don't like them so they are boring.
Sorry, I found them to be fun as fuck to play, they weren't my main, but they were my secondary.
>one of them dies ? Well sucks to be you becauser you're better just jumping in the pit than continue playing with only one of them.
Even SoPo was in a decent tier during Brawl. "HURR TIERS R 4 QWEERS!" Don't misconstrue this as some tiering argument, point is one ice climber was usable. Did you even know their Side special had decent horizontal recovery when alone?
>>260714759
>The environments look like shit
Just like in RE4
>>260715018
>type like a child
>get defensive when people call you a child
I can't believe you are over 14.
>>260714412
That's fun? Have you tried 4 player Ice Climber matches, where handicap and weight is set to minimum? It's an 8 player free for all OHKO extravaganza, where you can still get Nana to kill the opponent when popo is flying into the background
Why didn't they just make Nana an alt for Popo and just buff them up?
>>260714370
>people are so rustled about them not being there
Change "people" to "faggots" and then it'll start making more sense. That's all I can do to help you out here.
>>260714581
So because the game lags during 4 cpu matches they are not in the game?
>>260715475
As someone who likes ice climbers, even I admit that they'd be a bit boring alone. Plus their specials are kind of balanced around 2. Obviously their up special would have to be changed completely, their side special could just be buffed I guess, their neutral special would be lame with just one projectile, even if it did slightly more damage, and down special is only useful if it goes in both directions, or during grabs
>>260715356
Except, no one called me a child before.
Do you equate "gay obsession" with childhood? That's quite telling of your own childhood, faggot.
>>260709078
[Citation Needed]
>>260715984
I did.
I called you a child for acting incredibly immature and hurling obscenities and insults without having an argument.
Please come back when you are older.
>>260714481
Huh?
I'm saying it could be anything.
Technical issues could be graphics processing, AI switching, issues with following, whatever. "Technical issues" is a very broad and dismissive term. I don't know what you're all fucked about.
>>260716117
>[{[HURRRRR LE CITATION IS NEED-DED]}]
Go be autistic on smashboards
>>260716238
I want autism to leave. SHOO! Go away!
couldn't they just use one ice climber?
>>260716406
>Asking for a source is autistic
>>260716117
Here you go:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/03/creating-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds?page=2
>>260716665
Good lord.
>>260716665
Please stop
>>260715829
>Obviously their up special would have to be changed completely
Riding on the Condor, like in their Brawl entry
>their side special could just be buffed I guess
Make it as strong as with two of them, including the ability to rise in the air
>their neutral special would be lame with just one projectile, even if it did slightly more damage
Maybe if you held it to make bigger ice burgs, with customizations for multiple ice burgs and a piercing ice burg that doesn't explode on contact
>and down special is only useful if it goes in both directions, or during grabs
Hold out both hands when on the ground, like what Pit now does with his Guardian Orbitars.
Also, change the down throw to pushing them into the ground and applying a blizzard to the face.
>>260714253
why are you meme arrowing him improperly?
>but muh ice climbers
who the fuck are those guys anyway? no one knows and no one cares
I'm glad they got cut. Never liked them.
Pretty boring and only tryhards would use them for their stupid chaingrabs. If you liked them then you were being a special snowflake trying to look cool. Puns fully intended. Not to mention when Nana's stupid CPU dies you were left a sitting duck.
Duck Hunt is way better to represent the NES anyways.
>>260717710
>If you liked them then you were being a special snowflake trying to look cool.
Ha. That's pretty-
>Puns fully intended.
mmm.
>>260717328
>there's a proper way to be a meme-shitposting retard
Well it's true and you've accomplished it, niggerwit!
Funny how, from nowhere, we have programmin genious who tell how Nana AI is more hard to do than Luma
>>260712031
>/v/ pretending they know the first thing about game development
What the hell else is new?
>gamecube can handle 4 ice climbers
>pii u and 3ds cant
wow
>>260718250
After all those Amateur Game Dev Generals, you're just going to doubt us like this?
>>260718445
This isn't melee, Fuckhead
>>260718221
Luma's AI is literally just for waddling in place while separated from Rosalina; all of its attacks are dictated by the player, it doesn't jump, shield, grab, dodge, or even move on its own, it just inches slowly toward Rosalina when she's not giving orders.
How is that the same as a completely separate instance of the same character that has to account for mimicking your inputs on a delay when next to you and then trying to run and jump their way closer to you when separated, including having to recover when thrown off stage?
Why the fuck are the rosters the same if there's no cross-platform play?
>>260718942
Because the character customizations are the same. The idea is that you play Smash Run with your custom characters to earn more custom moves and equipment, then bring them onto the Wii U version for whatever they have planned for that.
>>260712462
Actually, it was a pain in the ass the n64 cartridges, they simply didnt want to work with them
>>260719149
So why can't the Wii U have exclusive characters but not the 3DS?
>you will never juggle someone with two ray guns ever again or trap them with fire flowers
>you will never stun someone with pulse rifle fire while charging up your second rifle
>>260719993
>you will never get a Nana KO, while Popo is flying off to his death
>>260719993
>Consider the fact that will never be possible using Smash Run powers
>Remember Smash Run patches are picked up by running into them
>What happens when Nana picks up a patch instead of Popo?
>Would the Ice Climbers both get the same stats?
What if they were dropped because of Smash Run?
>yfw ice climbers got replaced by him
>>260720961
I imagine they would both get it.
>>260720961
I remember all of the frustrating times where popo got some buff, like a bunny hood/ mushroom/metal box/etc and Nana wouldn't be able to keep up, and would constantly be separated.
If only one ice climber got a smash run power up, that would be annoying
>>260712061
Doesn't Olimar have less Pikmin as a sort of nerf? I remember Japan thought he was too powerful.
>>260719149
That's a pretty lame excuse as that's really a minor feature at the end of the day. "Oh we couldn't get Ice Climbers on 3DS, and we couldn't possibly have them not be involved in the crappy level scheme! They must be cut!"
>>260721901
olimar would be close to mk tier if he didn't have such shit recovery in brawl
>>260721250
>tfw i would be okay with that
>>260709078
> 3ds couldnt handle 8 characters on screen at the same time.
Then how is Rosalina and Luma going to work?
>>260722684
considering his normals were pretty nerfed in the E3 build, they could've at least let him have 4 pikmin
>>260723172
Read the thread retard.
>OH I MUST BE THE FIRST PERSON TO FIND THIS INCREDIBLY SMALL HOLE IN YOUR LOGIC!
>>260709078
>They were cut because the 3ds couldnt handle 8 characters on screen at the same time.
oh yeah, thats explains why LUma and rosalina wont be on the game and if you are playing with 4 people there wont be trophys on the 3ds version
>>260718942
Because it would cause a bitchfit otherwise.
>>260718942
They should have just made it Wii U exclusive.
>>260727619
And ignore your bigger audience?
>>260714734
>were they able to do that in Brawl
gfycat com/ImpracticalAnimatedHairstreakbutterfly
Short answer: yes
Good riddance
>>260716406
> ask for proof
> insulted
Anon, do you work for a game journalism site!? :D
If Ice Climbers are cut because of AI or whatever, they should be merged into one character. Either attacking at the same time like Rosalina/Luma, or a singular Ice Climber.
