why is this so GOAT /v/?
they should remake this on a proper platform
It was boring, shitty and extremely ugly.
SMT2 > SMT1 > Nocturne > Strange Faggotry > Persona > SMT4
>>257118910
>>257118910
of course it was ugly, it's a DS game
and it's not boring or shitty, don't know why you'd say that
>>257119285
>of course it was ugly, it's a DS game
This made it unplayable for me.
I literally bought the DS for this game, and was extremely disappointed.
it's by far the best game on my phone
>>257118910
>SMT2 and 1 on top
>Calls SJ boring and shitty
>>257119398
>muh grafix fag says Strange Journey shitty and boring
>>257119680
>I have never played the first 2 SMTs
>>257119794
Yeah, I literally went back to my run on Digital Devil Saga, and sold the piece of shit game and handheld.
The SNES games look tons better than that DS shit.
No one has answered the question yet.
It was okay. I wanted to like it, but the routes were pretty bad for SMT. Not IV bad, but not great.
Plot was also too preachy for me.
Whats wrong with SMT4? have it but havent played it yet (backlog too big)
>>257120567
This is really the game's only major fault. Granted, games telling you "Humans are the most evil creatures in existance!" aren't really new. It does lay off a bit further on though, and plus it becomes apparent that demons are rather hypocritical in their own right.
>>257120852
The endings are terrible, and everyone in the game is a glass cannon, which means that the first to get the advantage in battle wins, and almost every boss in the game can be beaten within five or so turns.
>>257121429
But not all bosses have a weakness and new players won't know the weakness of those who do right away.
>>257119990
Did you ever try the Desume emulator with the updated visuals?
>>257119990
SMT1 and 2 have literal empty maze dungeons, with boring fusing mechanic, no demon raising and terrible encounter rate. I really don't see how you can like those and dislike SJ. But I guess it's normal if someone finds grafix to be the most important part of the game.
>>257121583
I don't remember that making a huge difference. Flynn does a ridiculous amount of damage even when he's not hitting the boss's weakness.
I only had trouble with Beelzebub. Both the Chaos and Law factions' final bosses (I went Neutral) were really underwhelming.
>>257121901
A grafixfag wouldn't have played the original games, I don't think you know what that word means. Not even him.
http://gbatemp.net/threads/hi-resolution-ds-emulation.364549/
>>257121901
That's not normal at all.
If all he cared about were graphics, he'd be shitting on everything but Nocturne.
>>257119990
Are you one of those contrarian faggots that spawn after Persona 4 came out to appear old and knowledgeable that 1 and 2 existed?
>>257122225
I think he should have said animationfags.
>>257122324
I doubt that would work too well with Strange Journey, but I'd be interested in seeing.
>>257121429
>The endings are terrible
Is it just me or is an issue with the series in general? Usually the Neutral ending is far better than the equivalent Law or Chaos endings (unless there's further endings like Nocturne's TDE). Only exception I can really think of is DeSu.
>>257122225
Because he isn't a 13 year old grafixfag who only plays new games because the other ones look "too old". But he could be one of those "we're living in modern times and everything should be in 2160p 120fps otherwise it looks like shit and I'm not playing this because if grafix aren't polished it means that the gameplay is shit too".
>>257122445
Yeah that sounds more fitting.
>>257122795
It's funny how it turns out that way, since Okada is a huge chaosfag.
Both SMTII and Megami Tensei II are exceptions to the rule, though. And Nocturne, like you mentioned.
>>257122558
Well we can test and see. Give me a minute I'll post a screen comparison if there does turn out to be a difference
It was the first time I witness a DS game say "shit" and have red light district zone.
It was my first first person dungeon crawler too and boy it did not pull any punches.
>>257123278
>being this underage
Why is Raidou so fucking sexy?
>>257123636
He just is, shame we might not ever see him again
>>257123636
It's the sideburns.
Guys, I just started playing this game and my protag's alignment changed from white to blue. How can I revert this?
>>257123636
Shame his games are terrible.
>>257123791
Stop shaking hands with people.
>>257123791
>being a moralfag
>>257123636
why does every character in this series look like the same fucking person?
>>257123945
Being an asshole for no reason will revert this?
>>257124131
Yes.
That's how law vs. chaos works in SJ for some retarded reason, despite the fact that both angels and demons are assholes.
>>257123368
I'm underage because it's my first SMT game back in 2009? An underage would flip out at Mara and complain about titty monsters in a kid's console.
I just used to see the DS being associated with kiddy games and tried to stay away from weebshit as best I could.
>>257123083
Sorry for the shitty way i put it together but i was never one for effort.
It makes the text more readable but that's all i could tell. I'll try it out in a battle in a minute
>>257124446
Couldn't you just download a save file? That intro is like 10 minutes long.
>>257124446
Try it out on in the dungeons too. Those are really the only 3D places.
>>257124567
Already started might as well chug through it
>>257124686
Ok
Man i forgot how much i like this games music
>>257118484
Because it's one of the few JRPGs that is legitimately (save for Mem Aleph) challenging and lets you play as an elite military squad as opposed to a group of teenage misfits.
>>257124271
Keep showing what a fucking underage you are with that mentality.
>want to play again for other routes
>lost game so would have to start from scratch
>remember teleport maze with poison
NOPE
It's alright, but god was it slow in movement and battle speeds. And the negotiation was boring too. And music was mostly ambient and chorus-based which isn't that catchy to me. And they seriously beat you over the head with the environmentalism theme of the game.
I prefer DDS and Soul Hackers.
>>257124106
Maybe they are, Anon.
>>257118484
Really liked it. But some of the dungeons were simply fucking crazy and killed the most fun for me. My head started to hurt after trying to remember all the portals and pitfalls.
Neutral master race here, btw.
>>257125024
How the fuck do you beat Mem Aleph anyway? I got to her a while ago and I still haven't beat her. I loved the game up until this point.
At least unlike SMT4, you won't get OHKO'd by an enemy because you missed a sword swing and it goes first with an all party attack and crit to smirk or just plain mamudoon.
>>257125321
>My head started to hurt after trying to remember all the portals and pitfalls.
Should have drawn some maps, nigga.
>>257125357
By grinding like a madman which isn't a valid solution in any other boss.
>>257125229
>Soul Hackers
Grus would have been so much more bearable if SJ had the movement speed of SH.
Fuck that dungeon, by the way.
>>257125515
Seriously? To what level? I'm level 76.
>>257125113
Sure if plugging your ears and going lalalalala is considered a more mature "mentality".
>>257125321
>My head started to hurt after trying to remember all the portals and pitfalls.
I don't know how I did it, but I learned and memorized a path to get through that hellhole.
Additionally, I had just recently played Etrian Odyssey and had an uncontrollable urge to map out every square in every sector.
While it was a great game, I have no intention of replaying it.
>>257125929
At least 80 so you can fuse demons that can withstand her bullshit. I haven't played the game for a while so I can't tell you which demons are preferred.
>>257125442
Press Turn system is just a recipe for bullshit losses and braindead wins. Like, hitting a weakness or getting a crit already awards you with doing more damage. Missing an attack or hitting them with something they null means you already wasted one turn. The advantages and penalties are already there, the extra shit press turn adds on is annoying as hell.
>>257126087
I've started people EO3 recently. First time I'm playing anything from the series.
It's fun so far and the map drawing is a neat mechanic, but it's really tedious and I was absolutely sick and tired of it by the time I finished the second floor.
here is the dungeon in 4x
>>257126578
Started playing*
Wow.
>>257126445
Aw man, thanks for the heads up anyway.
>>257126771
mmm it is a bit better
>>257118484
Is this a cool space rpg?
I'd love a good space/sci-fi rpg. It would make up for falling for the ruse that Wild Arms is a western/cowboy rpg.
>>257127018
>Space
No.
Sci-fi? Yes.
>>257126578
It's not for everyone, and I'm glad it doesn't try to be. The newer ones are nice but I just loved the simplicity of the original: here's a dungeon, see how far down it goes.
>>257118715
>proper plataform
Faggot.
>>257127018
Not space. It's a "scifi-ish soldiers thrown into a different dimension ruled by demons" RPG.
>>257126771
This time i remembered to cut the white part out
If anyone has a save with the later dungeons in it so i could test it that would be just swell
>>257127212
handheld=/=proper platform
>>257127018
Sort of, but it boils down to a fight between angels and demons for supremacy of the world with humans caught in the middle. Its a great game though.
>>257127018
It's not space in a literal sense, more like you're thrown into a hostile environment and have to take baby steps everywhere you go with little supply to get by.
It is cool though.
>>257127018
Did you not play Wild Arms 3?
party just barely survived getting raped due to running out of mana
I don't normally start stacking up on consumable this early in rpg's but this game is pooping on my naive face
how do i escape this situation
>>257127574
How early in are you?
Do you have pixie yet? Do you have any other demons? Can you fuse yet?
>>257125357
Get weak (!) demons that reflect all elements. If she uses an elemental spell, all that huge damage is thrown back at her.
>>257127018
If you want a space rpg then go with Infinite Space.
>>257127697
>Do you have pixie yet?
What stupid question is this? She's the first demon you recruit.
>>257127574
I had the sub app which increased item drop rate and so I had a shit ton of chakra beads and life stones, plus I sold all the excess demon forma I had.
>>257118484
Was a great game but they really fucked the balance with the ouroboros fight.
>>257127985
I forgot. I'm sorry.
>>257127697
yeah nigga
I got a ded level 7 Hua Po, Level 6 pixie who I accidentally got rid of the heal spell on, and a level 8 fallen melchom
>>257126578
That's a shame, EO3 is my favorite.
You couldn't even get to the second stratum huh?
When is SMT4 coming to Europe?
Also how's Soul Hackers?
>>257128116
oh hold on there's a bossfight about to happen, I think there might be a heal ting round here
>>257128280
>When is SMT4 coming to Europe?
September.
Eshop only
20 bucks
>>257128043
What was bad about that fight? I thought it was pretty easy. Mem Aleph is bullshit though.
>>257128383
Nice.
>>257127280
Im just trying to get to the warzone part now to see if it looks better
>>257128031
I'll have to get me one of those
>>257127926
Yeah but then I'm fucked when she uses Mother's Kiss or whatever its called to wipe me out. I'm probably going to have to grind like the other anon said and maybe fuse stronger demons.
>friend starts talking to me about playing Strange Journey first time
>get urge to replay it
>get to that part of Eridanus
>remember whole Grus
[spoiler[red carpet sub app/spoiler]
>>257128116
Stop leveling your demons.
Start fusing demons.
Fusion is key in SMT games.
Fusing>Leveling.
Don't get attached to demons.
Keep demons around until you have their D-source, and then FUSE FUSE FUSE
>>257128764
Wow thanks for quick spoiler fuck up moot
>>257128416
I just found it extraordinarily difficult compared to any other boss in the game, it fucked the difficulty curve and it every boss after it look like a joke.
I actually liked SMT4 far more than Strange Journey. Something about first person dungeon crawling is just wrong to me.
>>257128224
The map thing just really, really bothers me.
Pretty neat game outside of that though, but it's just not for me.
>>257128871
oh yeah I've been fusing regularly, but I hamstrung myself early pissing a load of money and shit onto a demon that didn't even join me
SJ is probably one of my favourite games ever, and undoubtedly the mainline SMT (yes it's mainline) I like the most. It's one of those rare games that manage to perfectly convey their atmosphere to the player. The solemn music, the descriptions of the sectors and their backgrounds, the way both demons and humans act, you can fucking feel on your skin how dangerous the Schwarzwelt is, the characters' struggle to survive and the "Humanity fuck yeah" moments, all without any cinematic bullshit and the like. I love it. It's a mighty fine dungeon crawler too, my only complaints are a few bullshit battles (Mem Aleph comes to mind) and the conversations with demons getting kinda repetitive after a while.
>>257128949
>>257128043
Ouroboros is where I quit playing. First form mind you.
Party-wide (powerful) physical attacks, party-wide death spells, massive health regeneration each turn.
No good neutral monsters around the level you'd fight the boss at, so you're forced to either go with other-aligned demons or grind. (Or cheat and use password demons.)
I just couldn't take it.
Hello son of man. I see you are enjoying this thread.
>>257128949
I didn't have much trouble, but by then I had Luster Candy because of Vivian. I had a bit of trouble with Zelenin. Jimenez was the difficulty spike for me since he could kill with a single hit, but I beat him eventually. I could never beat Mem Aleph though.
>>257127471
I bought Wild Arms 1 on sale recently, because I assumed it was a cowboy themed rpg, and what I got was generic Final Fantasy-lite. Aside from the start screen, Jack, and some music, there's no western themes.
I'm enjoying it, but just a little dull so far. Why do you mention 3?
>>257129332
I remember Ouroboros wasn't so bad if you had fire reflecting demons.
yo can I pick which skill they forget when they level up?
>>257129515
>>257128906
It's not moot's fault you're too retarded to hit ctrl + s.
>>257129647
Ouroboros is weak to fire. I don't think he casts fire spells.
And that's the point, there's no neutral demons around that point with decent fire spells. Not much you can do with d-sources in that regard either.
>>257129668
Yes.
But if one of your demons asks if they can change a skill, then you do not get to decide what happens outside of yes/no.
>>257129837
Go away Law Fag
>>257130073
then I definitely done goofed when my fairy forgot her heal spell for a low chance instakill curse thing
nvm, fused with some flavour of tengu and got an archangel
>>257129567
Yeah see I beat mem aleph and the rest just fine although I have not had to fight gore yet, I was levelled and shit was just fine but ouro was a big bitch and was super annoying.
>>257127252
>>257127349
>>257127369
>>257127985
Sounds good. Thanks dudeskis
Why are there freaking no end game saves
hey guys what do if my main man gets scared? I can't use an item so do I have to just wait?
>>257130353
Well, I can't beat Mem Aleph. It takes a Debilitate and two Luster Candies just to survive a single hit. If I'm not dead by the first turn, I'm dead by the fifth. It's horrifying.
>>257130678
It seems like most of the differences are just really slight. I guess they really designed it with the DS's hardware in mind.
>>257130831
Put an item on him that resist fear
>>257129621
3's the one that goes full on western in the series. Setting and character design way more based on that, even gameplay is built around everyone using guns as their normal attacks and reloading with the guard command. Game even starts with a mexican standoff between the main cast, which they use as a character select for playing through character prologues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZiuQR1Hepc
Though it's definitely a lengthy game, so it might still be dull if you're not into jrpgs. Easiest series breakdown for similar games is:
WA1 = Lufia 2
WA2 = Xenogears
WA3 = Skies of Arcadia
WA4 & 5 = Tales of game
>>257131014
don't have one yet...
I'll watch out for one tho
>>257130958
Yeah aside from being able to read the text better there is no real reason to up the resolution
>>257129332
>no good neutral demons
>Rakshasa
>Frost Ace
>Black frost
>Tlaloc
Though I can agree that euroboros is bullshit
So do carrying demons alter my alignment? As in will my neutral neutral gets shifted if I carry a bunch of demons with different alignment for a good while?
>>257132041
Nah only choices in dialogue affects it
What did you get in your first pop quiz anons
I got heart of steel or something similar
>>257132286
I got big stank dick dadI don't remember something with extra luck
>>257132041
Alignment is only decided from dialouge choices. Demon alignment in SJ just determines if they participate in demon co-op, which just means they attack an enemy whenever a teammate with the same alignment hits the enemy's weakness.
>>257118484
it wasn't the music, that's for sure
>>257132286
I think I got technician or something, it boosted my magic.
>>257123807
>bait.gif
>>257132675
I liked the music
>>257132798
same
>>257132675
The soundtrack's nice.
>>257132675
too raw for people's taste I'm guessing
>>257128280
Soul Hackers is probably the most well balanced and engaging SMT ever made
There's a reason its been re released so many times
>>257132905
I loved the music on the final few floors of Sector H, it just hits you when you realise the journey really is coming to an end.
>>257132675
The soundtrack is amazing and really atmospheric, it's just different from the usual SMT stuff.
what exactly does forma do? I've got shitloads of it and all I can find out is that it "helps development" of all kinds of shit, but you still just buy everything with the currency
>>257125286
Deepest lore
>>257133557
crafting
keep playing
>>257133557
The lab on the ship can craft stuff from them
>>257133808
>>257134084
but I want to sell it for muh shekels so i can buy the stuff they've actually developed already
>>257134151
Dispose of it in the lab then, its the same thing as selling it
>>257124106
You mean the plastic mannequin look?
I think it had something to do with the artist being introduced to digital art after Persona 2 so they found their calling.
The games OK to be honest, but it has its problems
First off, Party limit should be 6, even though there's no heroine that doesn't mean summoning should be limited to only 3 demons, expecially when the max amount of skills on any demon is 6 instead of 8
The lack of a magnetite system was pretty disappointing, but worst by far was that demons use MP for physical skills, making physical demons much less useful
>>257134298
yeah but how do i know what i can get rid of
>>257123636
Doesn't he have like a ridiculously huge gay following on Japan? I remember hearing about that somewhere
>>257134474
If you go to buy something from the lab, I think either the X or the Y button makes it show the formas you need for items. And don't worry too much about selling them, they're all replaceable iirc
>>257134675
Yes. Yes, it does.
The game was designed to appeal to fujoshi and fudanshi.
>>257118484
I'm playing it right now and I don't really like the fusion system compared to the other games. The result is static and you need sources to change it. I'm in Grus.
>>257134474
Most of the stuff you found on Antlia early on only give you 3 craftable equipment, so once you can pawn them all the moment you reach second world, keep divine wings though.
Don't sell Detox or any forma that sounds like consumables.
>>257122795
That's the point.
>>257118715
I agree with this, the more I played this game, the more I kept thinking about how it would have been if it hadn't been designed for the most shitty platform ever.
>>257136013
this game is missing not a single damn thing
you couldn't add anything by putting this on a home system, as this game is already complete
>>257136013
>traveling through Grus without the map on the bottom screen
No thanks.
>>257131458
I meant neutral demons with fire spells.
Frost ace and black frost are 30-34.
Ouroboros you fight around 40-45
>>257136270
You are now imagining bringing up the map screen every few steps to see where you teleported to now
>>257133412
Exactly. It's atmospheric. it fit's the game's atmosphere PERFECTLY. No other music would fit the game as well.
...And that's the problem.
Atmospheric music is nice, but I want my vidya to have music that pumps me. Music that gets me into the game. Music that encourages me to keep on kicking ass.
A good example of this is Dynasty Warriors compared to Drakengard.
They're practically the same gameplay-wise, but one's fucking awesome to play because of the music, and the other's grating and just down-right dreadful to bother with because of the music.
>>257136520
Truly the worst suffering imaginable.
I wouldn't have been able to complete SJ if I had to put up with that shit.
>>257121429
even fights with normal enemies are like that
if they get to attack first and they use your weakness or other demons weakness .
>smirk smirk turn turn turn
i hope you saved
i really liked the game ,it was my first smt to be honest but then i got to play others like soul hackers smt II ,strange journey
and yea you can really feel the difference
>>257123726
he was an extra boss in soul hackers 3ds release
they even gave him a voice actor
so this is what they call fanservice
>>257125357
fucking use demon passwords. You went neutral, right? If not, grind and receive your power by force. We live in a world of strength, no?
>>257118484
SMT fags pls leave
>>257128043
Ouroboros was piss easy.
>>257138673
Le no
>>257138673
summon your persona and go be a casual somewhere else
>>257138526
I did go neutral, yes. I really didn't want to use demon passwords, it feels like cheating. But it looks like I might have to.
>>257138673
Nah
>>257138896
To be fair though, Ouroboros was the first boss that could knock you down easy enough, but not so tough if you just set up a team for it. Captain Jack on the other hand...
>>257139325
>>257138896
This is SMT thread, not Resident evil.
Contain yourselves.
>>257136615
Ever consider why they don't play upbeat music at a funeral?
Maybe you're just not suit to listen to Rite Of Spring-tier music, Drakengard's theme is consisted of dissonance because war isn't glorified in that game. Dynasty Warrior's music is perfect for what it is, a flashy beat em up.
I mean sure you get generic rock solo in some other SMT games but the point is in SJ you're a puny human being thrown in a world full of forces beyond your comprehension thus the music is foreboding and sounds like demonic chants. Shoji Megura did a fantastic job and I see nothing wrong with the soundtracks.
/autism
>>257139325
Did he take you down to the railroad tracks?
>>257139114
It isn't cheating. It's a meta gameplay mechanic. You still have to pay ridiculous amounts for the demons, you're simply given the option to summon incredibly strong ones provided to you by other human beings, suggesting that your fight against Mem Aleph is as much your fight as it is all of man's.
>>257139805
First few times yes. Then i buckled up and did him. Next roadblock was Commander Gore first time until i found out that he fucking loves targeting Main char and that Defending was actually worthwhile
>>257139751
Exactly. Like I said, it fits the game perfectly. But I personally need my vidya to have kickass music to keep me going, especially with gloomy games like these.
Does the game have this much pop in on DS or is it just DeSmuMe issue?
>>257139925
Huh, didn't think of it like that.
>>257140298
>people play this jaggy shit unironically
>>257140306
Just grind and fuse. You'll feel better doing it on your own.
>>257140298
I emulated it on Drastic on my tablet and it wasn't that bad
>>257140772
>people bait because smt is way better than their favorite rpgs
>>257140772
>caring about graphics
>>257140298
DS has pop in too.
It never really bothered me though.
Will every game be translated someday in the future?
>>257142406
I don't know man, Atlus seem to be too focused on Persona to give a shit.
I kinda wish he have a 2nd protagonist in the next mainline SMT games, like a human Heroine that you can customize as well. That was pretty cool.
>>257142834
I mean they still have a lot they could do a newer version or re-release
>>257144654
I don't think it would bring anything to the series other than making the neckbears feel satisfied because they can finally play as the little girl.
>>257118715
The DS is a perfectly fine atform but I agree it should be remade. It deserved the touch-up treatment more than Devil Survivor.
>>257142406
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,18488.0.html
If you're not aware yet.
