What
Went
Wrong
uhhm....... nothing?
>>256872486
The controller
The Wii came out.
nothing, the PS2 just happened
couldn't compete with the Xbawks and the PS2 so they turned to the casual demographic
>>256872486
Retarded storage
Little hype
The PS2 Abbadon-level of consuming all around it
Besides a lackluster library, weak hardware and poor support, I don't see anything wrong with it
>>256872641
>tfw you have 2 DCs
>none of them work
I think I might throw them, since they're just paperweights by now
>>256872735
It had dramatically better hardware than PS2, which won
>>256872991
DC emulators are fine anyway, no need for the real thing anymore (even more so if it's broken)
stop hoarding
>>256872720
It's also the same Gen in which Nintendo became the "kiddy console" because it wasn't a rectangle and didn't have GTA
I'm probably getting baited but.
>>256872610
>implying the Controller still isn't the best to date
>>256872720
>implying it didn't sell almost as well as the Xbawks, and wouldn't have outperformed it if not for Halo 2
>>256872735
>implying it didn't have the most quality library over the PS2's shovelware and handful of hidden, yet multiplat gems
>also implying it didn't have the best graphics
PS2 obviously won that gen though. It was no competition.
>>256872641
absolutely based
>>256872735
Ironically the PS2 was only marginally better than the Dreamcast, the Gamecube had pretty good hardware for a console.
>>256872486
Third party devs and Nintendo don't go hand in hand.
The fact that it's a console
cubivore didnt get a sequel
The PS2.
No DVD player
>>256872486
people had inherent shit taste so the console died
its still the best one to me
>>256873171
It did have games like true crime like the other consoles had and Resident Evil but when you're cash cow is Mario you'll get labeled "Kiddy" but the games were great quality like double dash, sunshine, sonic 2, animal crossing. Lack of online multiplayer hurts when Xbox had Halo, and PS2 had Socom or medal of honor.
The wavebird is still my favorite controller and the Gamecube is my favorite looking system next to the psone, it's colorful and doesn't take up too much space.
not a whole lot
sales wise it did poorly because of nintendo's reputation and the ps2
but hardware wise it was a fantastic console
and i can go and play a ton of old games for it and have fun
so whatever
>>256872486
Focus on games.
>>256873232
2 good games isnt enough
>>256872735
>weak hardware
People actually believe this.
It couldn't play DVDs.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/vgm/4601097659.html
i just bought this
holy shit
>implying
>>256874410
>not cutting your DVDs into a smaller size so they would fit
>>256874548
>black gamecube
besides that you got the best of their franchises had offer. You're only missing a carrying case.
>>256874683
>Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles
This guys gets it. Ask a Sony what his favorite PS2 games are and most of them will be shitty ports of Dreamcast, Xbox and/or Gamecube games.
>>256872486
What went wrong now that the dust has settled and we're all in agreement that /v/ suddenly hates a doomed console.LOL
>>256872486
this board is truly biased towards nintendo... I mean, according to the people defending this thing the console was perfect, so why did it really fail? A dvd player isn't enough for me to buy a console...
>>256876451
online multiplayer was huge around that time, Although I thought the purple lunchbox had quality over quantity
>>256875369
i never had a ps2 and i really regret missing out on the jak series as well as ratchet
other than that i cant really name any exclusives aside from MH back then
>>256873913
>great quality
>sunshine, sonic 2
Is this bait?
Ih had this game, ergo impossible to fail.
The console and controllers appearance looked very child like.
No DVD player.
Slightly weak third party support.
Lacked key titles that the PS2 had from third party, like MGS, GTA, DMC ect.
Disc was a minor issue, due to holding less than standard and dual DVD, but it did have much better load times.
It did a lot right. Perfect price point. Great controller that just felt right. Killer exclusive titles. 4 player ports perfect for party games like Mario kart, Smash, Mario Party ect.
Highly underrated, to the point I would say it's easily the most underrated Nintendo console ever. It certainly wasn't perfect, as even with Nintendo games it still lacked quantity.
It didn't do what the Wii did, which was cater to the incoming pop culture storm created by Sony and Microsoft. Plus Nintendo doesn't do harmful misinformation marketing about the other companies like microsoft and Sony do, so a lot of negative image was there for Nintendo and the gamecube and it still exists in retarded mainstream gamers minds today. Some even refusing to play games that arent boring ultra reality sims rated M for mature gamers such as themselves.
>>256877147
nope, Sunshine was great, Sonic 2 was fun and had that addicting Chao stuff
wanna fight about it
>>256875369
FFX
FFXII
Disgaea
Odin Sphere
Okami
God Hand
Ico
Shadow of the Colossus
MGS3
The Raidou games
Nocturne
Digital Devil Saga games
Jak series
Soul Nomad
Yakuza 1 and 2
Ratchet and Clank series
Those are the only ones I can think off the top of my head at this moment.
>>256876832
I did have a PS2, Jak is shit, Ratchet is alright
>>256877330
I also want to add that I think the WiiU will sell about as much, if not a little less/more than the Gamecube. I 100% believe had Nintendo done the following for the WiiU it would be doing far better.
>Not calling it the WiiU
>$250 price point
>Gamepad is okay only if the console managed a lower price point, otherwise it should of opted out.
>More games during the first 6 months.
>Should of included Nintendo land at $250 bundle, or Wii Sports HD.
I do think it was mostly because of the name and price point. Confusion for casuals, and a price too high to match. $350 was just ridiculous.
I love my WiiU, I just wish Nintendo hadn't fucked it up so bad. I'm just glad they aren't giving up and are still pushing amazing titles out, far more than the Gamecube and Wii had.
>>256875369
R-Type Delta
God Hand
Robot Alchemic Drive
Disgaea
FFX
Shadow of the Colossus
Soul Nomad
Devil May Cry 3
Dark Cloud
Persona 3
Metal Gear Solid 2, 3
Come at me bro.
>>256877317
>rent that shit twice trying to beat it
>emulate it years later
>get to last boss (i think, i thought i was "almost done" the game about 8 times)
>get shit on
probably gonna start over and try again
i fucking love that game
new one for wii u plz
It was too good
>>256877147
Sunshine had WORKING, FULLY DYNAMIC MIRRORS
The vast majority of current video games have it, while Nintendo continues that trend.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY2UHSYMVyo
Less mirror, but great reflection and dynamic shadows. Fucking Infamous doesn't even have shadows.
>>256878573
And how exactly does that affect the gameplay?
>>256878573
Don't have it*
>>256878715
>implying Sunshine doesn't have good gameplay
>>256877949
how can you say that about the gamepad? its great. having 2 screens is almost ALWAYS useful and not needing a tv to play it is great too
while it did push the price up pretty high it was still cheaper than the competition. also, how well the ps4 is doing proves that you dont really need games to sell consoles though it lacking 3rd party support really fucked them over with the casual dudebro crowd
they absolutely shit the bed on the marketing too
>>256872486
Nothing, the GameCube is an objectively good console.
>>256878905
>Fludd
>good
Be honest, you were 10 when Sunshine came and it was your first Mario game.
>>256878573
Sunshine has a ton of neat technology shit.
>>256872486
Sonyggers finding out about the console so that they can pretend that it's shit when it's perfect
>>256873347
I traded in my Gamecube for the PS2 when I finally admitted to myself that GTA 3 was never going to come out for it. I was a huge Nintendo fan through the thicks of the NES to the thins of the N64. GCN had cool games, but it lacked the groundbreaking, gamechanging titles that PS2 had. I got tired of being left out of the conservation.
>>256879126
I first played Sunshine when I was 19 and I replayed it recently for the 5th time. Sunshine is fucking great.
Nothing went wrong.
I'd go so far as to say nothing went wrong with the XBox either.
The PS2 just went right.
(Dreamcast went so wrong though, which is a shame because it was amazing right out of the gate)
>>256879614
So you're autistic then?
>>256872486
it couldn't play DVDs
New Sega console when?
It had the worst game ever, Super Smash Bros. Melee on it.
>>256879981
>buzzword
>>256879126
not him but I didn't get the N64 and Sunshine was my first 3d Mario game. (played mario games on NES, & SNES)
It still looks great, and had plenty of levels where you didn't have Fludd
>>256872486
Pros:
>Good hardware, about on par with the Xbox and better than the PS2/Dreamcast
>Super ergonomic controllers
>Strong first party titles
>Virtually indestructible
Cons:
>Smallest disc storage capacity
>Weak third-party support because of the above
>It wasn't the PS2
Ironically, the only reason why the PS2 sold so well was not because of the games, but because it was also the cheapest DVD player at the time. The main title that sold the PS2 when it was released in Japan wasThe Matrix
>>256872486
Absolutely nothing. The PS2 was just an unstoppable juggernaut because cheaper than a DVD.
It was a gay looking purple box with no DVD player that came out during the time of Eminem and GTA.
What happened? Why did it have to die?
>>256877730
>>256878089
None of those are good. Try again
>>256880579
you mean the movie 8 mile right
It went crazy with the 3D games and didn't offer consumers any 2D platformers. It had no 2D mario at launch.
The reason why NSMB U did not work for the Wii U however is a different matter. The game is ugly as sin and a graphical/mechanical rehash of a DS game. People are sick of that series.
The gamecube needed an excellent 2D mario platformer at launch along with the rest of it's lineup. It also needed a better dpad for this to work. The small dpad had the psychological effect of telling consumers this system did not do 2D platformers.
No external factor can account for the lack of sales, nintendo did themselves in. They neglected what made the nes and snes so popular. And they continue to do this with the Wii U.
>>256880637
The PS2 hadmovies
>>256878931
>not needing a tv to play it is great too
Does that work for every game?
>>256880724
>>256880637
Because the dream was cast away by the public in favour of the PS2.
No Gotcha Force sequel
The small discs might have played a bit of a role but otherwise gamecube was a really solid console for its time. Ps2 was a juggernaut though so no beating that.
>>256880772
it was basically popular for young white dudes to act hardcores.
>>256880809
>No external factor can account for the lack of sales
Except that the PS2 also sold because it doubled as a DVD player. But do keep trying to explain why Nintendo is killing themselves and not underanalyzing the market.
>>256880346
>Ironically, the only reason why the PS2 sold so well was not because of the games, but because it was also the cheapest DVD player at the time.
In the longer term that's wrong, but in the shorter term nothing "ironic" about it bro. All consoles have to deal with the fundamental chicken/egg, bootstrap problem: the main purpose of a console is to play games, but developers don't want to dev for a console without a big user base. PS2 was one way around that: add some other really compelling feature that's instantly useful even without games but has some tie-in to games. DVD was useful right off so it added immediate value for early adopters, and then it also meant super cheap, large storage for developers down the road. That got the ball rolling so that the virtuous circle got going, wherein more and more people got the ps2, so more devs wrote for it, so more people got it, etc.
These days that sort of thing is a lot harder, though they still try a little. Having media center features or blu-ray or whatever is fundamentally the same idea, trying to add value to get the ball rolling. In this day and age it's not as valuable as DVD was for the PS2 but there's a reason why anybody bothers. Microsoft went overboard this gen to the point where it actually detracted from the Xbone's focus as a game system, but it still matters even for Sony who were more focused this time.
>>256880809
The Wii NSMB worked because it came out on a system with an insane install base. Not the same as the WiiU NSMB that was a launch title for a console that didn't look good.
Daily reminder it's your fault Nintendo went to the Wii
>>256881110
The gamecube was $99 while the ps2 was $250-300 and also broke down quite often.
Just because someone buys a ps2 does not mean a gamecube lost sell especially when consoles reach their peak.
If the software was so compelling on the gamecube people would have purchased that console as well.
>>256880895
it works for every game i own but im not sure if it works for every single game
The ps2 is not the gamecube's problem. Nintendo CHOSE not to go with DVD. That is NOT sony's fault.
>Picked up a ps2 a couple of months ago for 25$
>Get Ace Combat 04, Ace combat 5, and Ace combat 0
Those 3 games are greater than the entire GC library so far
>>256881431
Why does everyone act like the Wii was a personal attack on them? Nintendo released tons of great games on it, but because they also released Wii Sports and Wii Fit they're suddenly anti-core-gamer or whatever.
>>256878573
>Sunshine had WORKING, FULLY DYNAMIC MIRRORS
>Not a single drop of FPS while the game has fantastic looking graphics while the mirrors are seen on screen and fully working
GameCube was a powerhouse of a console during Gen 6. How comw Nintendo doesn't do this with their consoles after GC?
I never get why devs can never do mirrors right and can never do them right without FPS drops.
>>256881809
This so much. Wii had Monhun, Smash, Xenoblade, Last story, pandora's tower, Tatsunoko v. Capcom, Metroid Prime 3, and a few other good non-babby games
>>256879126
I'm the poster you've been responding too, not >>256879614
, but he's pretty close to me. I played shitloads of M64 when I was young, without full completion, and shitloads more on Sunshine, full completion.
Yeah, it's fucking great.
>>256880637
>hardware was significantly weaker than the PS2
>used CDs while everyone else was moving on to DVDs (except nintendo)
>controller only has 11 buttons and one analog stick
>everyone hated sega for making the saturn
it was a good 90's console but not a good 2000's console. It was doomed whether sega stayed in the console market or not
That first Wind Waker reveal probably fucked them early on.
>Be 13 during Spaceworld.
>Tired of being made fun of for sticking with Nintendo
>Mega hopeful for Zelda from first GC reveal
>See Celda instead
>Write mad comments on IGN, swear off Nintendo for betrayal
>Buy first Xbox instead.
>>256880809
>They neglected what made the NES and SNES popular
It was games
SNES specifically was it's variety of it's games
N64's loss of third parties is what did them in
>>256872991
What's broken about them anyway? The lense? Did the heat brick them?
>>256872486
This.
The N64 showed up late, was more expensive and harder to develop for, had a smaller install base, and had abysmal 3rd party sales compared to 1st party games.
Sony had it all locked down before the gen even started. The GC was also more powerful, but the limited disk space really gimped what could be done compared to uglier but larger PS2 games.
I'd say that the GC easily has the best % of good games in the generation, and has at least an equal share of the top games, but outside of 20 or so great games, you don't have the meat of the PS2s library.
>>256877730
Good job!
Glad you see you know that MGS2 got PC and xbox ports. Also Silent Hill 2 and 3 got PC ports.
I don't doubt the PS2 library good amount of exclusives, I just think the "vastness" of it is very overstated. Still the Katamari games is what I really loved on the PS2.
>>256878463
Since WiiU tablet was anounced I keep asking for a baten kaitos with the cards on the tablet. Just imagine.
But no, life must suck.
>>256878089
>Metal Gear Solid 2
>Exclusive
Not even
>>256881535
gamecube was $99 at like the end of the gen
i think at launch gamecube was like 250 and ps2 was 300 or 350
xbox was an expensive piece of ass though
>>256872486
My guess is nothing particular. It was just that Sony was an absolute monster back then and no one was a legit competition for them.
I wish I bought a gamecube back then. The console looks so delicious.
>>256882369
>Stuck with them because I knew they knew what they were doing.
>Got a decent Zelda out of it.
Looking back the tech demo looked pretty fucking ugly.
>>256882103
by the time those games came out im pretty sure alot of wii owners were too pissed off to be assed with it
2006-2009 was pretty ass aside from mp3 and the galaxy games
>>256883070
What does it matter for the purposes of discussion? None of those games came out on GameCube, why does it matter if they were PS2 exclusive? The point is that GCN wasn't seeing any of these games and thus not selling as well.
It died too early.
>>256874875
you lose half the picture then
>>256872486
No DVD support.
>>256883637
I guess we just have suffer with 240p like the poor folks stuck with a PS2.
>>256883180
it would be so much better than having to shift through the cards like in the GC
id even settle for another jrpg with a similar battle system. before this game i was thinking that all jrpgs had the shitty pokemon style battle system
>>256872486
>what went wrong
It was the best console of all time but had no dvd player so now we got the current vidya industry instead.
Thanks a lot casual sonyscum.
nothing felt better than taking that purple box to your friends house to play some double fucking dash
>>256872486
internet gaming happened
About 10 good games at the most. The rest was shit which led to the Wii and it's 95 percent shovelware library because 3rd party developers abandoned the console.
>>256884000
Trips confirm it.I actually fully agree anon, the shitty modern vidya industry had its roots all the way back to the fifth and sixth gens, the PS2 being one of those roots, but people were too naive to see it at the timeSeriously, the attach rate for the PS2 was total ass, and all these niche games that /v/ circlejerks about after the fact sold like utter garbage on PS2. Not to mention the fact that it sold to casual non-gamers with its DVD player and the precursors of the shootan dudebros with its western games. And Sony's lies about the hardware was in full effect back then too. I'm not saying the PS2 didn't have good games but it gets a lot of undeserved praise here
>>256873161
Good emulators, like...
>>256884971
the handle was godlike
remember when anti-Nintendo faggots said GCN was going to be discontinued by a certain month because of Xbox and PS2?
>>256873232
>>implying the Controller still isn't the best to date
yes that's exactly what Implying. The C-stick was retarded
>>256887230
>1080p/60fps on PS4
PFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHA
>>256886254
At least the 6th gen had good games (that also sold well) on all consoles but one gen later all you see in top 10 most sold games on ps360 is cod, fifa, madden and gta.
>>256886254
>Caring about trips
yep you're a nintenfag
>>256879126
>you were 10 when Sunshine came and it was your first Mario game.
you could say the same about Galaxy and Galaxy 2.
you couldn't get used to the FLUDD and it wasn't much of a problem as you get far, that's all. (including Blue Coins)
>>256885972
This is probably the most hardcore revisionism I've ever seen.
The PS2, Wii, and DS all have pretty equal amounts of shovelware. The Gamecube has the lowest of that generation, and way more than 10 good games.
>>256887953
>and way more than 10 good games.
no it didn't
>>256874683
>Dust on Xbox
Good thing mine is the crystal clear one
>>256887230
And it should have been. What's your point? Faggots still talk about Sony going under and that's far less likely.
>>256872486
nintendo thought the average consumer would care more about the games that a console plays rather than the looks of said console. unfortunately there is a huge "so mature" (pre)teen userbase that looked at this little purple box and funky looking controller and said "ayyy lmao dis shit gay".
gamecube has probably been their greatest console of all time but they'll never know because motion control gimmicks and apple tier aesthetics blew it out of the water financially.
>>256888108
and this isn't even everything anon
You're going to get btfo if you argue
>>256888396
>REzero
>good
>>256888396
>No Custom Robo
>>256880346
No it's hardware was no about on par with xbox, but it far better than the ps2
>>256888378
>nintendo thought the average consumer would care more about the games that a console plays
Haha wow nintendo sure is behind. Lol why dont they do IOS games haha?
>>256888297
>Faggots still talk about Sony going under and that's far less likely.
They're losing money hand over fist ($1.3 billion last year despite the PS4 launch), selling off divisions, selling their headquarters, and closing game studios and firing game devs. Meanwhile Nintendo has been expanding as a company while only losing fractions of Sony's losses. "far less likely" my ass.
>>256888751
>Meanwhile Nintendo has been expanding as a company
that's a funny way of saying
>reporting massive loss
>>256883290
Ya I remember it was around $500, and the whole gen it was $50-$100 more than the ps2
I think the wiki page for the xbox says laynch consoles were made in austria, then moved to china
>>256880106
So true.
>>256888378
>nintendo thought the average consumer would care more about the games that a console plays
This is still what they think too. That's not what the industry is about today though, like you said. Part of me wishes they would understand that so they could boost their profits and popularity, but another part of me is glad they're sticking to their guns and actually focusing on good games and gameplay still. I'm conflicted.
>>256888396
Doesn't include at least:
Echoes
Super Monkey Ball 1&2
Beyond Good and Evil
REmakeZero instead, why?
Rogue Leader
Prince of Persia
Timesplitters
Soul Calibur 2
probably several others, those just stuck out
>>256872486
This
You think Nintendo would have learned its lesson in the n64/ps1 format difference. Hell FF7 was on ps1 because of that, yet they go with the limited format they used.
>>256888378
Gamecube was their best console to date. The problem is, the gamecube didn't fulfill their expectations because they assumed people would care about games, when more people started to care about "muh grafix" and "edgy" games, example being the reaction towards Wind Waker and the reaction towards Twilight Princess.
Then once the Wii sold buttloads, they believed people cared more about more gimmicks like wagglan', and now they're just starting to realize that we're getting back to the point that they thought we were at 12 years ago, where we only cared about the games.
>>256881958
because everybody else want soulless and casual rehashio with a gloss of Galaxy around it.
Sticker Star and Super Mario 3D Land were good examples.
Nintendo EAD is only leaving their creativity on Power-Ups, the Tablet, Secrets, and World Maps instead of the mechanics, level design, backgrounds (seriously just add NSMBU's BGs in SM3DW and it's perfect), style, etc.
recent news that the next 3D mario game will be more gimmicky to the tablet.
>>256888872
They've been on a huge hiring spree (instead of firing like Sony), building new buildings (instead of selling them like Sony), and they just went through a big stock buyback. Yes they've been losing money but they're definitely expanding. Not to mention
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/08/nintendo-valued-as-bigger-company-than-sony-4254425/
>>256872486
What went wrong?
The fact that the console in the picture is called "indigo" instead of purple.
>>256872486
>bad exclusives
every exclusive title on the Gamecube was worse than it's predecessor on the N64. Super Mario Sunshine & Super Mario 64, Star Fox Assault & Star Fox 64, Twilight Princess & Majora's Mask, Mario Kart Double Dash & Mario Kart 64
>got blown the fuck out by the PS2
if you wanted any first person shooter, any RPG, any survival horror, any fighter, you were pretty shit out of luck with the Gamecube
>they stopped developing games for it after the first year
>>256889032
They make enough profit. I hope nintendo can stay in their niche, making good games and get a reasonable profit.
>>256874683
Reasons GCN is good
>It only plays games
No, that was it's failure, that they refused to use DVDs, so files had to be smaller. I don't think anyone would say the lack of a feature is good.
>>256889808
>Super Mario Sunshine & Super Mario 64
>Mario Kart Double Dash & Mario Kart 64
Nigga I will fight you so hard
>>256889136
What games were limited? Only games that needed 2 disk were the ones with cinematics like ToS, baten kaitos and killer7.
>>256889238
>because they assumed people would care about games, when more people started to care about "muh grafix" and "edgy" games,
oh shut the fuck up. If they actually thought that then they'd have gone out of the way to get a stronger third party library. they didn't.
Quit trying to act like Nintendo somehow has more integrity, it's pathetic. Sony has gone further out of the way to expand it's libraries with new IPs and game via the third party and here you praising a company that thinks so little of it's fan base they parade out the same core IPs they've been shilling for decades and expect you to lap it up like a hungry dog.
Nintendo doesn't like you or gamers past you money. You;ve all fallen in love with a prostitute
>>256889986
I think splinter cell needed the audio compressed.
>>256889136
>>256889986
>implying it wasn't mostly the fault of lazy devs
Capcom fit all of RE2, which took two discs on PS1, into one N64 cart and even improved the game with things like better quality audio.
>>256886254
ps2 had the highest attach rate of that generation bub
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/08/15/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/
This was a nice read but sadly I only bookmarked the link instead of downloaing the article and google doesnt seem to have the cache option anymore.
Anyone know how to get the text?
>>256890069
>If they actually thought that then they'd have gone out of the way to get a stronger third party library. they didn't.
They did. The problem was that most devs ended up fucking Nintendo over no matter what they did.
>The Capcom Five
>>256889136
Funny enough, Super Mario 3D World could have fit on a gamecube disc if they compress the audio a bit more. The game is only 1.7 GB big.
>>256889808
>best version of soulcalibur2
>smash
>cvs2 fixed version
>bloody roar
It got enough fighters.
>>256887883
>age 10 at Galaxy/2 Release
>say that on 4chan
underaged b&
>more good games than I could play during it's generation
>something wrong
Why do people on the internet care about how much money a company makes?
>>256879545
Nice copypasta
>>256890136
>into one N64 cart and even improved the game with things like better quality audio.
no they didn't the N64 version of RE2 was complete ass compared to the PS1 version
>>256872486
Nothing, Nintendo made good money out of it and it had great games. So it was great on all ends.
>>256889986
Has there a GC game that was on 3+ discs?
>>256890069
Would you as publisher even botehr to put your game on the underdog of the gen or the dvd player literally everyone owned?
Nintendo tried with 3rd party but the casual masses were somewhere else.
Still surprising how many good quality 3rd party titles they got nontheless.
>>256877330
and it took a flamethrower to kill the gamecube. that thing was damn near imposable to break.
I feel that if I breath on a ps4 wrong it will stop working
>>256890568
Autism.
>>256890349
>They did. The problem was that most devs ended up fucking Nintendo over no matter what they did.
oh yeah they got timed releases from ONE company.
you know what developers Sony got?
FUCKING AL OF THEM! There's more than just Capcom out there.
>>256890478
>Implying RC needed to be taken out.
If Xbox and GC became the standard versions everyone would have dropped the game faster complaining that K is too fucking good
I wish fans saw themselves as consumers and not shareholders. This is why I avoid neogaf.
>>256877538
>Sonic 2 was fun
you were one of those kids weren't you
>>256890763
Not that I know of. Dios Mios iso fiddler also never meantioned anything abouve 2 discs.
>>256874683
>"ps2 had too many buttons!"
>implying more input options are a bad thing
This fuckin guy
>>256890478
>>best version of soulcalibur2
you better have a good reason beyond MUH LINK
>bloody roar
It got the shittiest BR, which is saying something
>>256890927
At least rollcancel got fixed.
And btw, trying to measure the quality of a game by the time and effort the fgc puts into it, especially at taht time, is not a good method. See: turd strike and mvc2.
>>256872641
And people forget to mention that the majority of the initial sales are from people who bought it exclusively for the DVD player.
They tried to pull the exact same tactic with the PS3 and Blu-Ray, it's a Marketing tactic that makes sense.
DVD players were still too expensive, back then, to be owned by the average household or family. The PS2 had an ok DVD player that was way cheaper than the top brands out there like the actual Sony DVD players from back then and it doubled as a gaming machine. So daddy and your douche brother could also play their NLH and FIFA on it.
The PS2 crushed the Dreamcast during the marketing phase, The Dreamcast was released too soon and with too little spport to survive the gigantic campaign Sony conducted back then and, then, it outsold everyone. Also, the Dreamcast feel victim to piracy like no other console before it.
As I said, they tried the EXACT same shit with the Ps3 the following gen. Releasing the Ps3 as a Blu Ray player when Blu Rays were still new and owned by people with dosh, but they made several mistakes.
The price.
and
Not being able to read Nintendo
They never saw just how powerful a selling argument a mere "original" gimmick can be.
>>256890514
>implying i'm undershit
and you're forgetting the fact the wii was mostly sold by casuals and Galaxy/Galaxy 2 was pretty casual as fuck.
just look at how much it sold and go ask a little kid or casual down the street (expression) about what their first mario game? obviously gonna be either Galaxy, NSMB Wii/U, and SM3D.
>>256889459
Are you one of those fags that thinks Sunshine is better than the Galaxy games
Granted I haven't played 3d world so can't comment on that
>>256890840
Namco gave them good exclusives and even developped a mainline starfox for them.
>>256891348
>And people forget to mention that the majority of the initial sales are from people who bought it exclusively for the DVD player.
the key word being INITIAL. PS2 didn't sell 150mil overnight Idiot and DVD players went down in price pretty fast
>>256890349
I have come to conclusion that no will ever support a Nintendo platform seriously. The DS sold 153 million units and yet support from western parties died like 4 years in. Wii was the absolute winner of the gen, and probably the best we ever got from a big company like EA was fucking Boom Blox. The 3ds has sold 43 million units in just 3 years while it took 360 9 years to reach 80 million, and still western support for the system is dead. I mean is their any EA games coming out the 3ds at all?
>>256889808
Mario Kart 64 was shit
Only good thing about it was 4 player mode. But that got irrelevant fast.
Seriously who plays this fucking game, ever? Except for nostalgia reasons..? Meanwhile Super Mario Kart, Double Dash, DS, Wii all hold up well.
>>256891348
>And people forget to mention that the majority of the initial sales are from people who bought it exclusively for the DVD player.
People always say that and yet I've never seen a source for it
>>256891279
Link is one reason because he fits the theme and has all of the signature moves. Another obvious reason is the BLAST PROCESSING like loading times of the gamecube.
>>256891314
RC getting taken out would have ruined the game, and anyone who can play that game worth 2 shits would tell you the same. Without the threat of being BTFO by A setups and C grownman-damage the Bosses and Eagle could sit in the corner with 3 buttons and win.
>>256891418
Nigger Mario games have been casual since World.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And Galaxy 2 is easily the most difficult 3d game.
>>256891619
>Link is one reason because he fits the theme
having a sword doesn't mean you fit the theme. I know this is gonna sound weird to you but there are different kinds of fantasy out there.
>and has all of the signature moves.
which didn't gel with the rest of the cast AT ALL resulting in the most broken version of the game
>>256872486
Nothing, it had some of the best games of all time on it, just like xbox/ps2
In terms of "absolute best games ever" that were on each platform though, it's Xbox > PS2 > Gamecube
>>256872735
According to Hideki Kamiya, it was just as, if not a bit more powerful than the PS2
>>256891418
I prefer casuals buying a console for games than for movies tho :^)
>>256891482
Don't call me an idiot, why are you so defensive?
I'm not attacking the Ps2, I'm just saying a shitload of them sold for the DVD player and that has always been the case. People think the Wii was the first "family" console, they didn't see the ammount of dads and dudebros who bought it JUST for the DVD and their FIFA.
All I'm saying is that the DVD was a huge selling argument that sold the console far more than all the others because even when DVDs dropped in rpices, a DVD is not ALSO an affordable gaming machine.
If you think 150 million of these units sold because of muh Kingdom Heart and muh Final Fantasy, you're wrong.
>>256872486
>tfw console handles didn't catch on
>>256890295
Here ya go
https://web.archive.org/web/20140314223831/http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/08/15/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/
>>256891817
>xbox
literally all shit western games
>>256891550
Maybe a sims4 port?
>>256891420
>implying galaxy is even comparable to how good sunshine is
>>256883070
Silent 2 and 3 also got Xbox Ports
>>256891885
>If you think 150 million of these units sold because of muh Kingdom Heart and muh Final Fantasy
No it's because the PS2 had a huge fucking library so you could play whatever you wanted.
At least that's why I got it.
>>256892008
Ninja Gaiden and Gun Valkyrie were western games? Thank you for this information friend :^)Oh and btw Halo CE is the third best game of all time and it's a "shit western game." Shit western games have been better than Jap games since the early 90s in fact
>>256892008
>this pleb
>>256872726
>>256872735
Have you even played a gamecube?
>>256891550
>I mean is their any EA games coming out the 3ds at all?
you forgetting that EA pulled a Sony after Nintendo said no about Origin on WiiU and online support from them, and handling eShop.
EA was technically the reason why most people stayed away from WiiU at first.
>>256891796
>having a sword doesn't mean you fit the theme
You nigga soulcalibur is about fighting with weapons. That is why link and spawn were good and heihachi was shit, I bet it didnt even took namco 1 day toport him over from tekken.
Link was broken? Normally people call him lowest of low tier. He fits perfect into the game, deal with it.
How many of you just found out this last generation that the Game Cube has quite a few hidden gems?
>>256892008
>Psyconauts
>Pantom Crash
>Panzer Dragoon Orta
>Phantom Dust
>>256892089
kek
I like platforming games so Galaxy is better.
>>256892321
>Halo CE is the third best game of all time
>Shit western games have been better than Jap games since the early 90s
It was just okay. There was only about a dozen or so worthwhile games for it, majority of which were first party games.
>>256891348
blu ray was a fuckin gamble too since nobody knew what the dominant optical HD medium would be. RIP in peace HD DVD
>>256891998
Thanks a lot man. Gonna save it to a textfile this time.
>>256892503
Yeah my mistake, late 80s if you count Pirates! and other games.
>>256892321
>Halo CE is the third best game of all time
>>256890069
You act like I'm defending Nintendo, you dumb cunt. I haven't owned a Nintendo system since the Gamecube, but it's still one of my favorite consoles to date.
Nobody brought up Sony, you dumb cunt, but it's obvious you're a sonigger. Sony doesn't care so little for you, just like Nintendo, so you don't need to shill for them. Sony didn't go "out of the way" to get any of the games on the PS2, most of them companies wanted on the PS2 because it was selling a shitload. And the reason they "parade out the same core IP's is because they sell money, and people like them, you fucking idiot. Sony has only a few IPs, but Nintendo has a shitload. Pikmin, Chibi-Robo to name a few started on the Gamecube, yet you fanboys love acting like they only have MARIO ZELDA POKEMON.
I do agree that there are way too many games with Mario slapped on them, like Tennis, Soccer, etc etc, but to say that the Platforming Mario games aren't fun shows your shit taste.
And don't deny that the Wii U isn't the most game oriented console Nintendo has had since the Gamecube, because it is. I played Mario 3D World, that was hella fun, and so was Mario Kart 8. I'll see about buying it once their new 3D Mario/Smash comes out, but until then I'll stay speculative.
>>256891348
To be honest one factor people forget about the ps2 is that it's still being sold in poor countries. Why do you think Fifa still has ports for ps2? That shit is still selling in brazil and other countries.
>>256892593
>Pirates!
>tfw Pirates! Gold (Sega exclusive)
fuck i gotta replay that game again
>>256889986
Re4, REmake and Zero all had 2 discs
http://www.dromble.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/
Mega-article related.
>>256892385
Exactly, why are companies ignoring 2013's best selling gaming platform? There seems to be some extreme spite for Nintendo in the industry.
the system was too Japanese it was cube the controller was almost as bad as the original xbox controller no dvd player all the big games had E or T ratings. imo they're going downhill since the Wii but still have a dedicated and loyal fan base i stopped buying after the wii came out i still own my gamecube and n64 gameboy and gb advanced they really slept on making it more appealing to there aging fan base not everyone is satisfied with just kid like games as the exclusives
>>256890478
Eh xbox version had 480p support, 720p in windowed mode
>>256892389
>He fits perfect into the game, deal with it.
>is from the land of magic elves and shit Hyrule
>Soul Cal takes place in what is very obviously Earth
>Doesn't even match the aesthetic of everyone else instead retaining his OoT look
man I knew Nintendofags where deluded fuckers
>>256892556
Pretty much this
Also what do you fags like so much about that controller anyway? It had a good analog stick and triggers and that's fucking it. The dpad was shit, the second stick was shit, the button layout was stupid and the fucking cord is too short
>>256892937
The orginal xbox controller was the best controller of all time you fucking idiot
>>256892320
I understand that, but despite its huge library and fairly obscure niches of neckbeard games, the PS2 was pretty much a console owned by normalfags and teenagers. I know this doesn'T apply to everyone, but I remember my highschool days and hearing about every fucking kid owning a PS2 and every fucking kid played a combinaison of GTA and Need for Speed or at least that is ALL they ever talked about amidst the conversations about playing Diablo 2 and Stacraft.
If they had big brothers, they'd usually play the same shit combined with sports games and if daddy had a go at the game, he either played the exact same games as his son with maybe a gold game in there depending on the dad.
I remember all the games (the trully good ones we talk about here) I used to play and that I own for my PS2 today were games that nobody else played. the only people I could talk about FF10 with were the weird nerds at the loser table. That's why I assume that the majority of these PS2 were bought by casual normalfags you were hype they could also watch porn DVDs between games of Medal of Honor and Forza.
>>256889986
RE:4, Tales of Symphonia, REmake, RE: 0, Ribbit King, half of the Tiger Woods Games, Twin Snakes, Code Veronica X, and TMNT 2 and 3.
That's most of them
>>256893064
Duke or S?
S was great,
and Duke was perfect for my big hands
hand the Pearl and Black buttons were in perfect position on the duke, so damn annoying reaching down on the S.
Also the dukes had that clear green cord, looks so with that braiding through dat green
>>256893064
Not when your like 12 years old faggot it was shit thats why it was discontinued
>>256891998
>
At the time, Nintendo believed “Geist” — a first person shooter published by Nintendo — would be GameCube’s “Halo Killer”. Shigeru Miyamoto had contributed gameplay ideas to Geist including “object possession”. Because of Miyamoto’s minor involvement, Nintendo had strong confidence in the title, and everyone inside the meeting reassured Reggie that “Geist” would become a huge hit with the older hardcore gamers who loved “Halo”.
This bit gets me every time. Geist is pretty bad.
>>256892698
It is, and would've been THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME (at the time) if GTA 3 hadn't already been out. So there.
>>256892937
>not like the GC controller
>not liking the duke
>>256892962
Didnt knew that and taht is pretty neat feature for the time.
>>256872991
>tfw you have 2 DCs
>none of them work
>>256893274
You do realize GTA 3 is to 3 best games of all time and FF10 is a 2/5 game, right?
>>256876715
>online multiplayer was huge around that time
Not on consoles it wasn't.
>>256892992
>soul calibur has no magic
Dude even the first entry soul blade the mix of magic and technology. You obviously dont know what you are talking about. Link is also fights not with magic in sc2 except for flaming whirl attack and arrows which fits PERFECTLY into the soul calibur universe.
>>256891594
That's not something backed up by charts, it's more of an observation.
The marketing tactic is obvious, but as I posted somewhere else, nobody played the games we enjoyed for the PS2. BAck in highschool, 90% of the kids who owned a PS2 I couldn't even talk with because none of them played Disagea, FF10 or Megaman X. It was always Racing games and GTA.
Don't get me wrong, I love GTA and shit, but it's just that a lot of PS2 passionates seem to think the system sold because of its gigantic library alone, but most of the game sin this library, nobody fucking played.
I do agree though, the fact it was a console that both a full on nerd and a dudebro could get mad hype about is, in itself, a brilliant marketing move
>>256872641
yet it didn't really sold any original games on 3rd world countries because muhpiracy
>>256893298
The Duke, but they were both great from what I recall. Comfy, stylish plus it had the most buttons of all the controllers that gen, really sad console manufacturers haven't kept improving on that point
>>256893307
it was a Man's console
>>256886845
Oh, i know, i know, Dolphin.
>>256887230
>Sakamoto near anything Metroid ever again
>>256892501
what the fuck
sunshine was a platformer
did you even play
are you retarded
>>256872486
>Gamecube is pretty cool, guys
>Purple? What are you some kinda fag?
>You can get a black one if you want
>Oh, in case you're a closet fag?
It's because it was for fags.;_;
>>256889549
dude they're gonna buy back Rare!
O.o
>>256893064
I didnt like the slightly spherical buttons, also dont like them on the 360 but else the pad felt good.
>>256893382
Duke was one of the biggest reasons why the xbox almost flopped you only like it because it makes you feel nostalgic the gamecube controller and duke were almost as overrated as final fantasy 7, OoT and Halo all boring stories
>>256893361
Even if Geist was good, it would have taken twice as much marketing as normal to explain to consumers why they would want it. It's not a game that sells itself, and it's pretty stupid for marketers not to see glaring customer education issues like that.
>>256893361
They tried it again with metroid primes 2 taged on multiplayer.
>>256893625
Who cares about scores? I loved the shit out of FF10 back then, not so much today, but it doesn't change the fact FF10 makes it in most lists I see around here as a PS2 classic.
As I said, I don't like GTA and I have nothing about dudebro games, just because I'm on /v/ doesn't mean I think videogames are my secret club no normalfag and woman allowed, but it's still a fact that this game is owned by a majority of casuals, which, I don't think is bad, a casual is not a bad "gamer", in my opinion, but a casual who pretends to be a passionate, that's another story.
All I'm saying is most of the top ranked games for the PS2 are games that mostly casuals played. It doesn't mean GTA 3 isn't a fantastic game
>>256893361
I loved geist
But one thing to this day that annoys me is the reload sound for the machinegun after he reloads the mag there is no sound when he cocks it
>>256894213
I've played Echoes no less than 30 times and I've never played the multiplayer. I just leave it alone and it leaves me alone.
>>256892008
>JSRF
>N.U.D.E.@
>Outrun 2
>SMT Nine
>shit
>>256894437
>I don't like GTA
I meant I don't HATE GTA
>>256890960
>I avoid sonygaf love me some nintendgaf
>>256894528
I tried it once with my dudebro friend. He got no problems with teh controls even with never having played it but we dropped it after 15 minutes because it was just boring. You could smell all the hard work that went into the mode.
>>256894778
People like you who must make everything about brand loyalty are the reason why /v/ is such an awful place.
>>256877330
>Highly underrated
People need to stop saying this shit. Anyone who knows anything about vidya knows it's a quality console with some quality games.
If anything it's become overrated by certain people now.
>>256872486
>No gta
>no gran turismo
>no final fantasy
>a controller far inferior to the DS2
the list goes on and on
>>256872486
Rare was sold.
We lost Donkey Kong Racing. A sequel to Diddy Kong Racing that apparently was gonna take inspiration from GTA3.
>>256895149
>no final fantasy
It had the best ff of the gen. Not turnbased but everythign else was back to classic lore and feel.
>liking the shitty sony pad
That thing breaks when I sneeze at it and feels horrible in your hands. Enjoy not knowing where to put your little and ring finger.
