"[EarthBound]'s the only Japanese RPG I've ever played right through to the end, unless you count Mario & Luigi or Paper Mario RPGs, which personally I don't, because to my mind a JRPG just isn't a JRPG unless it ends with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill god."
You have 15 seconds to name another JRPG that does not fit that description.
Yahtzee's a fucking pleb, news at 11.
Nier, which he fucking played.
FF7
>>256668965
Never heard of that JRPG before.
>>256668841
NIER
pokemon
>>256669130
Not all the way through, apparently.
>>256668841
There are a lot, The Dragon Quest games come to mind
He played games that aren't about teenagers killing god.
He just meant that there are plenty of games who pull this shit.
>>256669130
He complained that he hated the soundtrack.
Let him deny himself an entire genre. He clearly doesn't want to like them.
The World Ends with You
It wasn't God in that game.
>>256668965
Yahtzee's a persona, his reviews aren't actually reviews, he has stated this multiple times.He's still a pleb though
>>256668965
Not that i disagree with you, but JRPGS are shit tier games.
Worse than any of these non-gameplay games.
>>256669130
That was teenagers using the power of angst
Dark Souls
Yahtzee's a fucking faggot who doesn't play games
other breaking news at 11Lost Odyssey, Chrono Trigger, Infinite Space
>>256668841
>unless you count Mario & Luigi or Paper Mario RPGs, which personally I don't, because to my mind a JRPG just isn't a JRPG unless it ends with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill god.
What a fucking idiotic thing to say
Post yahtzee brony sucking his girlfriends penis post pls.
>was about to say TWEWY
>mfw realizing you kinda do that
Well dick.
I guess Mother 3 and The Last Remnant.
>>256669410
But hints of a greater power akin to a god.
God that might be my favorite DS game.
>>256669339
Obviously not every JRPG ends that way, but I'd say a good majority of them do, which makes it somewhat of a challenge to think of one that doesn't. Which is the point of the thread.
>>256669254
You capture gods in the end of pokemon.
in Mother 3 you don't win via the power of friendship.
I own Mother 1+2 and Mother 3 and they're honestly really bad games. They're just babby's first obscure game.
>>256669410
It was a guyusing the power of a god, and they were still using friendship, so it was close enough.
>>256668841
Atelier, Disagea, Ys, TiTS.
>Yahtzee
>Video about Link Between Worlds
>Drops the subject to talk about the Wii U's problem for %75 of the video
>Ends it with Link Between worlds again to complain about Bombs and Arrows
This fucking guy
>>256668841
>which personally I don't, because to my mind a JRPG just isn't a JRPG unless it ends with teenagers using the power of friendship to kill god.
I don't even like JRPGs but that's one of the most narrow-minded things I've ever heard.
>taking yahtzee's exaggerations and analogies as fact and feeling smug when you disprove his facetious musings on technicality
G3t 4 lyfe bro
>>256668841
Yahtzee doesn't play games, when he does it's on easy mode, complains about tutorials, complains about lack of tutorials, and reviews games in genre's he has no fucking clue about.
>>256669138
Come on, Sephiroth's final forms are pretty god-like.
>>256668841
a jrpg is just an rpg from japan
nothing more, nothing less
>>256669686
But you aren't a group of teenagers, you're one child
>>256669686
maybe in neo-pokemon.
>>256668841
bowser's inside story isn't that great.
Technically almost all SMT games since you don't fight the true creationist god in but one.
>>256668841
the mario rpgs are all about friendship holy fuck did you not pay attention to their stories at all
>>256669758
Get for life?
>>256669848
In X and Y you are.
Nocturne. You beat up Lucifer with the power of hate.
>>256669848
But you couldn't have done it without your friends help. aka forcing you to follow them 10 yards to the nearest door every time you enter a town so they can tell you to go there next.
>>256669881
kill your friends to kill at least one god!
Golden Sun
>>256669798
>20-30 year olds are teenagers
>some crazy motherfucker is now god despite god being a different thing in the game
wow how can one person be such a pleb?
>>256669872
Mew was a god, Dude.
>>256668841
>You have 15 seconds to name another JRPG that does not fit that description.
smt 3 nocturne
you kill god with the power you got by killing your friends
>>256669961
>what is l33t?
>>256670004
Thats the SMT promise!
>>256670078
Yahtzee is basically the ultrapleb
he 'reviewed' mh3 but only played it for around a hour and gave up after losing to the first great jaggi
He has ascended normal levels of pleb to become something even worse
>>256670116
>implying
>>256669731
It's just a joke. Teenagers killing god or god-like entity is a pretty common trope in JRPGs.
>>256669130
I thought nier was about a father, not a teenager.
>>256670192
Go back to 2004
>>256670116
trying too hard
>>256670294
only the american version.
It's a brother protecting his sister. not a father. character design is different too
>>256669798
Well, yeah, that one's the only iffy part. He's more so just a being of great power to me instead of a god. The rest does actually fit though.
>most party members are over 20
>they use their resolve to focus on saving the world
>>256670057
But polytheism
>>256669413
I do not know why some people here consider his video reviews, he is more of an entertainer than a reviewer. At least that is how I see him anyway and never bother to take him as seriously as all of you in this thread seem to.
>>256668841
This guys opinion is pretty shit.
>Killing god
>Killing an eternal ominscient, omnipotent being that created the Universe
>implying teenagers killing god is even possible
The Japanese do not know how to write for shit.
>>256669319
Funny how every JRPG is based on Dragon Quest but Dragon Quest seem to go against the JRPG norm.
>>256670512
Taking things way too seriously is our business, and we are the best at what we do.
>>256670512
I never took him seriously but occasionally he makes good points.
What is a good JRPG for somebody has no interest whatsoever in JRPGs?
>>256670716
Because Final Fantasy established JRPG norm.
>>256668841
Except the ending of Paper Mario TTYD has you healed up and boosted in strength by the love and support of everyone you've helped during your journey.
In Super Paper Mario the power of love saves the multiverse from being destroyed.
In Partners in Time its baby's tears.
>>256670716
I'd say most are influenced more by Final Fantasy
>>256669725
>Ys
The only reason youre not killing god is because youre killing for god
>>256670623
It's called deicide, a concept that's been around almost as long as the notion of gods have.
>>256670512
>never bother to take him as seriously
this pisses yahtzee off a lot.
>>256670623
It's just the writers taking out their existential angst through making a video game.
>>256670927
Boku no pico
>>256668841
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne.
Final Fantasy XIII-2.
Drakengard 3
>>256671024
Their goddesses you dweeb.
>>256670512
There's something arthur once taught me
Talk shit, get hit
>>256670927
I dislike jrpgs on the whole but I liked the Ys games and kingdom hearts
Cave story would be a decent start
>>256668841
Radiant Historia and Strange Journey
>>256670927
Paper Mario/TTYD has very light JRPG elements and might be good to see sort of what they're like.
Chrono Trigger is to my mind baby's first JRPG, or at least it was the first I ever played and I thought it was a very good foray into the genre.
And EarthBound parodies elements of the genre in a 20th century Western setting, and is pretty easy, so that might be a good entry-level choice also.
SMT 3 because you kill the god by doing the complete opposite
>>256671153
Drakengard 1 too
friendship never, ever enters the equation
>>256668841
Persona 3 you use the power of friendship to kill a great evil
>>256671005
right but mario's like 45 years old
>>256670623
You're thinking of the Christian god, in other mythologies gods are killed all the time.
>>256671362
You're still a teenagers who kills a god.
It is a joke, you Autists.
>>256668841
In thousand arms you need to have bitches to be strong.
>>256671457
He's a very fit man with a bombshell for a wife.
>>256670240
>>256670371
>Mother of all pokemon
>>256668841
>Final Fantasy 7
>Final Fantasy 8
>Chrono Trigger
>Persona 2
>Persona 3
>SMT Nocturne
>SMT IV
>Lufia 2
>>256671618
*a teenager
wild arms
>>256671819
Mew was retconned as a god when Arcaues became a thing
I haven't followed pokeman since gen4 and I know that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s
SMT Nocturne
Kill the power of friendship and god alongside it
Dragon Quest. All of them. God is always on your side.
>>256672292
no, she was always a god.
The first game established that it had DNA from ALL pokemon which is why she could use transform.
>>256670116
>mew
>not Arceus
You had one chance, kid, and you blew it.
>>256672304
>I fucking hate Yahtzee
>So I am going to try to perfectly emulate his humor, diction, and writing style
>>256671393
yeah it does. Inuart is technically Caim's friend.
>>256672963
He said "Until recently"
Mew was a god. Lugia and Ho-oh were faux gods.
Persona 3You can't kill the god
>>256672416
But you literally fight God in DWVII don't you?
>>256668841
Any of the Shin Megami Tensei games. There's no world saving here, power of friendship or otherwise.
>>256673079
Except 1) Mew is never explicitly referred to as a god, 2) You couldn't legitimately catch Mew until Gen 3, and 3) Pokemon "ends" when you defeat the Champion, who is not a god, nor does s/he use "God-Like" Pokemon. Closest you get is Pseudo-Legendaries.
>>256672010
also dante
>>256671842
FF7 and Chrono Trigger both fit that description.
>>256673559
>MEW = 3 letters
>GOD = 3 letters
Coincidence? I think not.
Checkmate, atheists.
>>256672321
Nah, Demifiend gets his ass kicked by YHVH off screen.
At most he kills an avatar of God and impresses the head honcho of hell
>>256668841
breath of fire 3 where you use the power of dragons to kill god (and thus doom humanity to a wasteland)
>>256673559
>You couldn't legitimately catch Mew until Gen 3
But you could though, it was given out in game events and you could even do it in game.
Explicitly or not it's heavily implied.
>Pokemon "ends" when you defeat the Champion
That's pure bullshit.
Mewtwo was the final boss of Gen 1 just like Red was the final boss of Gen 2.
the E4 being the final bosses ARE a recent thing.
>>256670623
You realize that not all gods are the Abrahamic God, right? The only game series that even comes close to that is SMT
>>256670986
I know but it still funny how Dragon Quest set the ground works of how a JRPG was meant to be but they never fell into the tropes that a lot of JRPG fall into.
>>256671017
Oh definitely. I'm just saying that for a game that was as influential as Dragon Quest and never really fall into the things that most JRPG fall into is kind of crazy.
>>256673919
No, both are post-game content. Games end with the credit scroll.
And Mew was an event-exclusive pokemon until Gen 3. You don't catch it; it's given to you. Not the same.
>>256668841
Super Mario RPG.
>>256668841
Final Fantasy XIII also counts in this too.
a JRPG just isn't a JRPG unless:
>it ends with teenagers
Lightning is 21, Snow is 21, Sazh is 40, Fang is 21 (although 521 technically), and Vanille is 19 (519 technically). The only teenager among them was Hope who was 14
>using the power of friendship
Alright I will give them that one.
>to kill god.
Orphan isn't a god. Orphan is a wheel-like fal'Cie and the source of Cocoon's power, who rests within Orphan's Cradle in an area known as Narthex Throne. Residing within a pool in a deep sleep in a state of unbirth, Orphan is the main power source to fal'Cie Eden, enabling it to siphon power from other fal'Cie to keep Cocoon afloat.
So a lot of that doesn't fit Zero Punctuation's though
>>256674995
>Orphan is [blah blah wtf...]
All that bullshit is clearly the exact kind of thing he's talking about.
Super Mario RPG
>>256668841
Why is Yahtzee so biased against Japan in general? He abhors anything that comes from Japan, not limited to video games, even things like anime. Did he get raped by a Japanese guy as a kid or something?
>>256675371
Orphan's a machine. Not a god. Something that is a god is along the lines of Kefka at the end of FF6. Or Izanagi in Persona 4.
Saying that Orphan is a god is like saying that Skynet in the Terminator series is a god.
So what can be considered "God"? Do they have to be super powerful or what?
>>256675584
It's an being beyond normal power and comprehension which is all mighty, all seeing and all knowing. Kefka from FF6 and Izanagi from Persona 4 would fit this.
>>256671695
Yeah but he's not a teenager, is my point
>>256675520
From his other podcasts he seems to be a closet weeb desperately trying to hide his powerlevel, no one else would think of watching Gankutsuou as a go to Count of Monte Cristo adaptation, or know random stuff like how Kouta Hirano started his career with Cowboy Bebop doujinshi.
>>256675754
So why wouldn't an RPG end like that? Could the Shadow Queen be considered a God? Could Chaos be considered a God? Could Ouroboros be considered a God?
Earthbound is about a bunch of kids who use FRIENDSHIP to kill a god
Nahtsee's pretty dense
>>256668841
Dark Souls
/thread
>>256669341
> He complained that he hated the soundtrack.
Crikey, what a nigger
>>256676098
Shadow Queen is a god. Chaos is more of a negative energy source. And yes, Ouroboros from Braverly Default is considered a god.
>>256669413
The dude really is full of himself though and considers himself a journalist. You should see his lps. His dumbass friend Gabe actually redeemed himself a bit in one when he trashed yahtzee and all other game journalists.
how many are we going to be gone, from the north to see your cock and whenever new news is a function Zero Punctuation naked and waiting the Earthbound password for the Internet open your mothers skin waiting around on a bunch of teenagers not see tomorrow
>>256676091
So, like why Dobson hates anime? He used to love it and now associates it with a shamefully angsty period of his life? I guess that makes sense.
>>256668841
Shin Megami tensei series
Fire Emblem
Etrian Odyssey series
Bravely default
Megaman Battle network and Star force
Summon Knight series and the summoner spinoffs
>>256669413
He has stated multiple times that while yes he does try to be humourous in his videos, they are entirely his actual opinions.
>>256668841
Lets just state the obvious one here. DARK SOULS.
I'll now name some really weeb ones.
Etrian Odyssey
Disgaea
Most Shin Megami Tensei
Y's Oath
And if we need a Final Fantasy we can try XII, The Undying was a demigod at most.
>>256673690
FF7 didn't have teenagers, and Sephiroth & Lavos were just a super powerful alien things
>>256676284
He called Earthbound a JRPG, though
>>256677024
V. Exdeath is not a god. In fact, he's killed before acceding into godhood. Even then, Enuo wasn't a god either.
>>256677024
>Ys
>JRPG
Are they? I only play 1&2 Chronicles but they played more Zelda-ish and a JRPG.
>>256677031
>were just a super powerful alien things
aka, gods
In FF7's case, I'd be counting Jenova as the 'god'.
Hell, Lavos had actual, classically religious worshipers. Totally legit.
Reccatear
>>256677458
>aka, gods
Kill yourself
>>256677417
JRPG means RPG made in japan and don't let any shitter tell you otherwise.
what most people think is a JRPG is actually called a turn-based light RPG.
>>256677631
Scientology's a religion too
And Mormonism teaches that god is an alien
>>256677417
I specifically mentioned Oath because it was the only one I've played. It was an ARPG made in Japan making it a JRPG as far as I'm concerned.
>>256668841
Shadow Hearts 1 and 2. From the new world fits that description.
Monster Girl QuestI wouldn't know though, haven't finished it.
So what are some games where you use friendship/faith/whatever to kill a god but do it well
what immediately springs to mind is okami
>>256677975
It fits his description to a T.T as in tentacle, those are a staple of JRPG gods.
>>256677843
>Scientology's a religion
That's a funny way to spell "blatant scam"
>>256678014Persona4
In this game, they don't use friendship, because friendship would require one of them to have some sembalnce of personality. No, they just use the plot device sword and Sveta's literal plot armor to kill a dragon that came right the fuck out of nowhere. Turns out that nothing you did mattered and the villain got away. Oh yeah, and the plot point that was dropped 10 minutes in reappears for no fucking reason. Fuck this game
>>256677631
Jenova's name is only one consonant sound away from the actual Abrahamic God's name. You think that shit wasn't intentional?
>>256668841
Breath of Fire 3
They do start as kids, but finish as adults
>>256668841
Shadow hearts. It uses a bunch of 20 somethings with the power of ASSBEATING to kill god.
done.
>>256677959,
>>256678239 here. Muh shadow nigga
>>256678161
>ITT we time-travel back to 2009 4chan
>>256678194
"Sephiroth" is also a reference to Judaism.
>>256676710
One of his old websites had a blog where he took a bold pro-hentai stance so that's very possible
Maybe he had one too many bad run ins with anime fans and can't mentally separate the experience from the consumer
>>256671302
Would Cave Story even count? That's more of a metroidvania title than traditional JRPG.Regardless, play Cave Story anyways, faget!
>>256679832
How is Cave Story even remotely an RPG?
>>256680006
I don't know, that's why I asked.
ITT: people still mad at his smash bros review
>>256680217
>I don't read threads, I just shitpost in them
>>256669231
In japan you're a teenager.
>>256669668
>Obviously not every JRPG ends that way, but I'd say a good majority of them do
Not really? I can't even think of a single one off the top of my head.
>>256668841
Earthbound
Does Yahtzee even exist anymore? Haven't seen /v/ bring up a NEW video of his in years and I don't follow him.
>>256681934
Even if that were possibly true, you would have at least seen one of the dozens already listed in this thread.
>>256681934
Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, EarthBound, TTYD, Xenogears, Seiken Densetsu 3
>>256682136
You should check out the Lets Drown Outs then. The first few anyway. Even they are starting to fall into a stable rut now.
>>256668965
>people who don't swallow weeb garbage are plebs
>>256682136
He posts a new video every Wednesday, mods are just being very militant about gaming YouTubers not actually being video game-related,
>>256682323
correct
I think Yahtzee's a dipfuck anymore, but I actually agree here.
We need a new netural term for JRPGs that are clearly meant to appeal to weeblords, as opposed to RPGs that just so happen to be made in Japan but nevertheless have international appeal.
>>256674391
>No, both are post-game content
Nope.
>Games end with the credit scroll.
Again, no they don't. Mewtwo is apart of the story, established at cinnabar island.
>>256682438
Could we not just call them RPGs? Are the conventions of JRPGs so self-contained that they actually need their own category?
>>256682770
>Are the conventions of JRPGs so self-contained that they actually need their own category?
No.
Monster Hunter
Battle Network
>they aren't jrpgs because they have a unique story not always seen in jrpgs
He's so close-minded. Is that why he says he hates "all jrpgs"?
>>256683457
His stance doesn't make the statement any less true.
Most JRPGs in history are about teenagers finding their destiny and love.
Most today are the same idea just with more wifiu bullshit.
It's sad really.
Lost Odyssey.
It's about a group of old people and 2 kids rekting what is essentially a power hungry dictator.
>>256682185
>Chrono Trigger
Lavos is treated as a god.
>Final Fantasy VI
>After the end of the world Kefka drains the Triad of their power, turning them into weakened husks and himself into a god
>Final Fantasy VII
Already talked about in this thread.
>EarthBound, TTYD
OP
>>256679832
Cave Story isn't a JRPG in the slightest, nor an RPG at all, it's an action-adventure platformer.
Speaking of which, we really need better names for this shit, action-adventure is just too broad.
>>256669530
Oh yeah because Chrono Trigger doesn't end with you killing a world-eating god monstrocity with your buddies.
>>256684108
He said he couldn't think of any ones that DO match Yahtzee's description you moron.
What about that weird French RPG, OFF?
I don't know the story, but I don't think the protagonist has any friends.
Advanced Wars
>>256684145
>>256680006
Are you people dense? I literally said that.
>Would [that] even count? It's more of a metroidvania title
I didn't want to sperg out on the guy I quoted, so I said it in a less assertive manner in the form of a question.
>>256684108
>Lavos is treated as a god.
When? I just recall Lavos as an alien that blows shit up. I don't recall any Lavos worshipers, and even if there are, that doesn't make it a god.
>http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/9625-E-T-The-Worst-Game-Ever
Did anyone watch his new video?
Apparently the western anime boom came from nintendo taking over the home console market after atari went to shit. Which is understandable but just plain wrong.
>>256684174
It doesn't. Lavos is nothing more than a hungry alien.
>>256684376
> Japanese RPG
> French
>>256684376
I loved OFF!But I hate tumblr.
>>256669130
He didn't fucking play it and everyone knows it.
Trails in the Sky.
Does Estelle e Jousha count as teenages if they didn't want to directly involved in all that political shit?
>>256684753
a) He had demon people who danced around praying and cheering for his cleansing of the Earth.
b) yeah it kinda does
>>256684736
I interpreted your timidity incorrectly, sorry.
>>256669130
>Nier
Nier isn't about killing god, it's about killing Humans.
>>256668841
>Dragons Dogma
>you can be what looks to be a teenager
i dunno if it's god per say but a mary sue ish person
>You kill yourself After you become *god*
>>256669475
/thread
>>256684897
That's a common conception of what God is, especially in pretentious Japanese works. And who's to say that view of God is any less valid?
>>256684965At least they haven't touched space funeral yet
ITT: People have never played a 'Tales of' game
>>256670116
Even if that were true, you couldn't catch it without a glitch
>Someone isn't a god but is just really powerful with a complex
>NO ITS A GOD BECUZ HES STRUNG LIEK GODS ARE!!
Chrono Trigger.
>>256670394
The American 'father' version is the original concept, not the other way around, the brother version was added to appeal to japanese later
>>256684753
Sure there were.
And the word "god" doesn't necessarily fit your WASP upbringing, Lavos definitely has supernatural qualities.
>>256685516
Doesn't matter.
That concept, whether you think of them as a god or not, is what Yahtzee was talking about all JRPGS having.
You can say those aren't gods, and that Yahtzee was using the wrong terminology, but it's still a common thing in JRPGs.
>>256672574
>she
>>256684810
I think that was a joke, I don't think he was sincerely making that claim.
>>256685726
There are wasps posting on 4chan!?
>>256685516
>I have never taken a mythology course and am very proud of that fact
>>256685360
I don't think spess fewneral was kawaii enough or had characters they could project their headselfs onto.
Or whatever it is that draws the homestuck audience to shit up indie games. Thank god for that.Can't say the same for YN. Rip in rip.
>>256685849
I think the spiders got rid of them all.White Anglo-Saxon Protestant you fag
>>256685516
There are no gods at all in anything because a god is ultimate and infinite, qualifiers which zero video game characters attain and zero worldly religions achieve.
Now can we please go back to referring to gods as beings powerful enough to have complete control over at least one sphere of reality who are revered by lesser beings as a result of their ability to do so?
>>256685360
IS Space Funeral even a complete game?
I've seen a few playthroughs of it but I remember none of them really ended. They go to that part where the guy takes your blood and then tries to get more but if you give him more you die
>>256685761
That's a stupid way to put it. Simply because the act of killing god is supposed to be about rebellion and that link up with teenage angst that people think JRPGs have thanks to FF.
Beating up a really powerful thing is not a cliche. It's simply an event. That's like saying using a sword is a cliche or combat is a cliche
Did half of the people in the thread misread the thread challenge? In persona 3 you do pretty much kill a God with the power of friendship.
>>256685849
I don't think so.You wouldn't happen to be a cicada, would you? You wanna go back to my place and meet my kids?
Mother 3
every Final Fantasy
I think you guys are taking what he said just a little too literally.
>>256686229
In the video Yahtzee admits that even though EarthBound is the only JRPG he likes, he's never played Mother or Mother 3 because he refuses to pirate them.
>>256668841
Mother 1
Earthbound
Mother 3
Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced
Quite a few Final Fantasies
Most Dragon Quest games
>>256686469
>not sold in the US
>doesn't affect any chances for sequels since Itoi is done with videogames anyway
What a faggot.
>>256686079
It is. You just have to not be a dumbass and tell him no.
>>256685415
I still need to beat Abyss, I just feel like it really should have ended like five twists ago. I've gone through like four of five dungeons that felt like they were totally the final dungeon, it just seems like the story is stretching itself out at this point.
>>256685995
>White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
No one has used that acronym before, ever.
>>256684965
Sure, tumblr fagged it up but we got a few laughs out of it.
silver linings, i guess.
>>256687204
Depends where you live.
I live inOklahoma
>>256685415
Tales of Symphonia basically fits that description.
![KefkaGodSprite[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/MMeslDd.png "KefkaGodSprite[1].png")
>>256686229
Nope
>>256687204
Are you shitting me? Maybe if you're under the age of 14, but it's one of the most common acronyms for describing all-white communities.
Among minorities, it's essentially the polite version of "cracker".
>>256687672
Except they don't kill him with the power of friendship, and most of them aren't teenagers.
