So if I wanna get into the Persona series, should I play all the games? Or can I skip a few?
Should I start with 1 for the PSP?
Start with Persona 3
>>255988378
Persona 1 has far more game play elements in common with mainline shin megami tensei. persona 1 and 2 play radically different from 3 and 4 start with whatever one you want
P3FES then P4 then play whatever you want
Persona 1 is fucking garbage
I thought Persona 3 is the first game
>>255988378
Start with Persona 2 so you don't hate combat system as much if you decided to play persona 3 or 4 first
It's for casuals so you can pretty much pick it up wherever you want
>>255988378
I wish there was an undub patch for the PSP version.
Persona 1 and 2 are barely connected to 3 and 4 and play completely differently. They're more traditional RPGs while 3 and 4 are half life sims with a calendar system.
P1 and P2 are worth playing (note that P2 is two games, Innocent Sin and its sequel Eternal Punishment) but you can and probably should start with Persona 3 FES.
>>255988378
Play the psp version of persona 2 and turn off battle animations so they don't drag on since the encounter rate is extremely high then head to persona 3 fes then persona 4 the golden.
If you love persona so much after all that go back and play the psp version of P1 just to see its roots because its a chore to play
>>255989562
on the psp its alright
>>255988378
Start with Persona 1 on PSP.
Then play Persona 2: Innocent Sin on PSP.
Then play Persona 2: Eternal Punishment on PS1 (or on PSP if you know moon).
Then play Persona 3 FES on PS2.
Then play Persona 4 Golden on Vita.
Then play Persona 4 Arena on PS3.
Then wait for Persona 4: The Ultimax Ultra Suplex Hold for PS3 and Persona 4: Dancing All Night on Vita.
Have fun.Don't be a faggot and start with Persona 3 or 4 like some people say.
>>255988378
P1 and P2 are entirely different games from P3 and P4.
The first two are very reminiscent of mainline SMT games, while P3 and P4 are more dating sims with grinding.
>>255988378
just play 4
if you really like it you can go back and play the other games in any order
>>255990073
>Implying anyone owns a Vita
>>255990306
Well you should
>>255988378
Just play Persona 3 and 4. If at some point you decide you hate the waifu gimmick then you can go back and play the first two installments. If you absolutely love the waifu gimmick then you're not missing much by not playing the first two games (or rather, the first game).
>>255988378
if you have a psp just get P3P or if you have a ps3 just buy P3FES after that go play 4 then if you want play the first ones
>>255990073
>playing a series in series, when none of the stories are connected
stop giving him bad advice
>>255990306
You can play all of the Persona games on the vita instead of playing them on a bunch of scattered consoles.
same with final fantasy 1-10
>>255988378
You skip the waifu wars an social links and play Shin Megami Tensei instead.
P1/2 Near mainline SMT rpgs
P3/4 Dating simes and sometimes turn based battles
>>255990602
Or I can just play them on the systems I already own. P4G is the only desirable game the Vita has.
>>255990380
Oh, and don't play Persona 3 portable, being able to control your mates destroys what little challenge the game had. Get FES and Persona 4 for ps2. Golden isn't better or worse than the original persona 4. More content but not necessarily good content.
>>255990602
>You can play all of the Persona games on the vita
Fuckers never localized Eternal Punishment for PSP. It's much better than the PS1 version
>>255990073
>tfw golden will forever be on the vita
No one gives a shit about dead handhelds fatlus learn from p3p
>>255990526
>Telling someone to play all the games in a series and to enjoy them for what they are is bad advice
and how is that exactly?
>>255990650
SMT is just an edgefest where the story repeats over and over.
>>255988378
You should only skip 1 and play the rest starting with 3.
>>255990650
*tips fedora*
>>255990738
>Oh, and don't play Persona 3 portable, being able to control your mates destroys what little challenge the game had.
Well you can just NOT do it?
> Get FES and Persona 4 for ps2
No
>Golden isn't better or worse than the original
It is much better
Don't listen to this faggot who probably never owned a PSP or Vita.
>>255988378
Wait up, Anonymous.
We're going to play Persona?
What? Are you stupid?
>>255990712
I dunno why you're being so aggressive. It was jut a suggestion.
>>255990751
Well it's still all.
I actually started with P4 then went back and played P3 and P2, liked them all.
Persona 1 and 2 are drastically different from Persona 3 and 4 though, so if you want to participate in Persona discussion you're better off starting with P3 FES and then Persona 4. 2 is worth playing, but not needed at all to appreciate P3 and P4.
>>255991054
Go dance crazy somewhere else black mark.
>>255989725
>go back and play the first one later since it's a chore to play
Sounds like when people recommend playing Earthbound and Mother 3 before playing Mother.
Skip 1 and 2. Don't listen to the neckbeards. These games are shit.
>>255990952
>Adds Marie
>Much better
>>255990952
P3P is worse than FES for many more reasons than party control. Such as turning the game into a visual novel.
>>255990789
>No one gives a shit about dead handhelds
>Vita
>Dead
hehe, someone show him the vita 2014 games image
i dont want to buy a vita just for golden. am i missing out on much with normal P4?
>>255988378
You shouldn't get into the Persona series at all m8.
>>255991343
God dammit man come on.
>>255991320
Its in its death throws m8
>>255991197
Are you implying p3/p4 aren't for neckbeards? You must be delusional
>>255991331
Yes, the antishills will tell you otherwise, but honestly since it's free it makes up for itself.
>>255991331
>i dont want to buy a vita just for golden
If you ask like that, no, you are not missing out much. The original Persona 4 on PS2 is good enough.
P4G is just the definitive version, which should be always recommended first for obvious reasons
>>255991343
>Not just playing both
SMTfags are really getting annoying though, you can't discuss Persona with at one of you bursting in and flapping your jowels about MUH HARDCORE ARRPEEGEE, CHAOS AND ORDER CRAWLING IN MY SKIN.
Play a REAL SMT game, likeDemikids
>>255991602
they must be nintendrones
>>255991602
That's because they're afraid. They realize Persona is the new mainline. Hell, Persona 4 is a franchise in itself.
>>255991412
Look if the OP likes gameplay in video games, he'll go with SMT. if he's an underachiever he'll go with p3 and p4.
>>255991331
Its like FES the only problem is it was put on the vita.
>>255988378
1 and 2 age horribly. I tried 1 but could only stand 10 minutes before I dropped it. I know if I was me 15 years ago, I'd be able to finish shit like this.
>>255990816
what if they don't enjoy the first one, and skip the rest?
>>255991414
It is not m8.
Don't you enjoy max comfy mode games, anon?
>>255991602
You clearly haven't played any SMT games.
>>255991801
I don't care for miku shovelware
>>255991691
>Hell, Persona 4 is a franchise in itself
post yfw this is true
>>255991805
I have though, as well as the Raidou games, DDS.
Stop being a faggot fanboy.
>>255991694
If he play's persona 1 it will help introduce i him to all alot of the elements of the series.I played persona 3 first and thought was okay then played persona 1 and thought it was far more to the point of what I wanted and I'm play shin meagmi tensie 1 help him out don't just post shitty bait images.
>>255991951
I get to beat up you're waifu with my waifu.
>>255991929
There is much more than that m8.
You probably wont listen anyways so i wont try and write down another list of games
>>255991951
>>255991972
Look I wouldn't mind personafags if it wasn't for the fact that Atlus would rather develop pseud-VN's centered around High School because lonely Otaku's and Neckbeards had a lack luster school life .
>>255991694
Are you looking forward to the release of SMT 5 in 2039 exclusively on the Brita Water Filter?
It should be out sometime after Persona 13:Platinum
>>255991764
With they don't enjoy 3 or 4 and skip the rest.?This really isn't something that can be decided by us.what do you want op?
>>255992323
I've seen the vita list and there are literally only two games worth owning Bullet Girls and P4G.
The rest is trash that weebs automatically label as good because they're weebs or games I can get on PS3
>>255988378
Go 3 then 4. If you're still way into it, play 2: Innocent Sin and then Eternal Punishment. Persona 1 is probably the hardest to get into.
If you don't care for the social links/rumors/waifu faggotry or what have you but still like the demons, then other SMT games await. SMTIV's not the best but it's certainly one of the most accessible.
>>255992391
Strange Journey was released on the DS and was much better than p3 and p4.
>>255992384
Seems like you're projecting your own reasons for wanting to play it onto everyone else.
Basically, this is a case of STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE because what you like is being ignored in favor of what more people like.
Grow up man, business doesn't revolve around your elitist ideals.
>>255992391
>2039
>Persona 13
You mean, Persona 4 The Golden Shower Remix Ultamania FESP4PENIS: 1500% Sparkling Platinadisco Edition.
>>255988378
Play Persona 3 FES and then Persona 2. Fuck 4 and 1 they suck.
>>255992551
No it's not.
My opinion>Your opinion.
>>255992515
Nope, Vita has much more than "weeb" stuff.
>>255992391
>exclusively on the Brita Water Filter
>>255992696
Have you played Strange Journey? It's a pretty amazing JRPG.
>>255992859
What's amazing about it?
>>255992515
>my tastes are objective fact
>>255992470
>With they don't enjoy 3 or 4 and skip the rest.?
no great lost, 1 and 2 aren't some masterpiece or anything
I thought Persona 1 was pretty great on the PSP, but it's way way different from P3 and P4. Persona 1 is much closer to traditional SMT. I'm only just starting 2 myself but i hear it's great. Just go in order if you're that interested. It also may be worth it to just do two at once. I went back and forth between playing Persona 1 on my PSP and Persona 4 on my PS2, they're so radically different you probably won't get sick of either one.
>>255993248
Persona 2 is a very wild ride. The combat is really not very good though, but if you managed to get through P1 you should be fine.
>>255993187
>1 and 2 aren't some masterpiece or anything
that may be true but the fact of the matter is they have more gameplay elements in common with the mainline series and will help him branch get into the main series that persona is a spin-off of.
>>255993923
Persona is the main series now. Marie has replaced Jack Frost.
>>255994001
I will not listen to your lies atlus.
>>255994001
Jack Frost is SMT's Marie's Nintendo's Rosalina's Square Enix's Lightning?
>>255994001
>>255994339
go away you stupid asshole
>>255988378
Play P1 first so that you'll get tired of the encounter rate and it'll make the later games much better for you. And yes, play PSP.
>>255988378
Start with Persona 3. If you're autistic enough, you can play them in release order. Personally I haven't played 1 but 2 is pretty tedious to me.
>>255991343
I really don't get SMT elitists. What if we like both series'?
>>255996493
Is gray a real color?
'no'
>>255991331
No just emulate the vanilla version
>1080p
>for free
>no Marie
That greentext is better poetry than anything she could shit out.
>>255996493
Then you're not an autist.
>>255996841
>no Marie
Then what is the point?
>>255997032
Don't tell me you actually like Marie.
>>255997032Chie
>>255997032
Experiencing the game without the worst character in the entire series.
>>255997159
I love and worship her.
>>255997217
You poor hting.
>>255997298
I am blessed by the Goddess. You are left with foul girls such as Chie.
>>255988689
>>255989425
>>255989619
I started with P3 FES on PS2 because it had the undub, is that ok or should i go with the regular P3?
>>255991275
elaborate, I've been looking forward to playing P3P. I know it's missing the FES story, but hey, what's wrong with vanilla P3?
>>255997451
>>255997451
Chie is utter shit, but she is still better than Marie.
>>255997032
>>255997217
>>255997451
>Having a scat fetish
>>255997527
Jesus Christ
>>255997498
Most of the time, when you see someone say P3, they are talking about P3FES. No one remembers Vanilla, mainly because it was awful.
>>255989749
I cant play it due to the battle music, man they couldnt leave that shit alone
I can't play the Ps1 version because of the upgrades on the PSP version,
its truly suffering
>>255997501
P3P does not allow you to freely walk around outside of dungeons, nor does it show character models on the field during story scenes. It treats everything outside of dungeon crawling and battle as a visual novel.
>>255997641
Someone post the image that ends with Igor saying "what the fuck am i reading"
>>255997641
Every month, when you enter the VR.
>>255997778
Oh, and it cuts out the anime cutscenes too.
>>255988378
Start with the original - play the Japanese PS1 version if you can, otherwise the PSP version. PSP versions for Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment are the way to go. Skip 3 and 4, move on to main SMT.
>>255991054
No, your stupid!
>>255988378
1 and 2 are boring.
Go with 3 or 4, your pick.
>>255991054
>>255998441
Other way around, 3 and 4 are the boring ones.
1 has the better combat, 2 has the better story.
>>255998547
>your
![[WHW] Seitokai no Ichizon Lv.2 01 [BD.h264.AAC][B014B7E2].mkv_snapshot_05.56_[2014.05.19_16.41.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Kd6q0cL.jpg "[WHW] Seitokai no Ichizon Lv.2 01 [BD.h264.AAC][B014B7E2].mkv_snapshot_05.56_[2014.05.19_16.41.45].jpg")
>>256000260
>1 has the better combat
>>256000335
And this is why you don't play video games in English, especially Atlus ones.
>>256000907
Yes, it does. 2 dumbed it down like crazy, and 3 somehow made it even simpler.
>>255988378
Persona 1 for the PSP has a fucking awful soundtrack
Compare this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx_4kAybjHI
To this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xfm-IDo4Eg
>>256001939I kind of like both
>>256001939
deadline is one of the weaker themes of the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgJKJbD0sE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE_xGNg0JS0
>>256000907
Persona 1s combat is similar to SMT which is why some people prefer it.
P2-1 is also similar but it was about combing talk options not actually finding what works.
P2-2 Same as P2-1 but they changed up the combat so that it semi real time which was stupid as you constantly had to stop and start combat all the time.
P3 it became a fucking roulette wheel along with p4 which was the dumbest thing atlus did since making you unable to equip and see who has what equipment in p3, along with p3s fucking pants of head retarded ai and you are tired system.
I have no idea how people can play P3FES and like it compared to the better controls of P3psp.
>>256001939
PS1 has the better regular battle theme though.
>>255988378
Fuck, negotiating in this game is really turning me off from fusing persona in this game, but the personas you start off with are so limited that I'm forced to go through with it anyway
>>256002125
I'll admit that the remake had a better school theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xfm-IDo4Eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCmNKiWDfew
>>256001939
That's what they use in the PSP port? God that's almost as bad as P3's soundtrack.
>>256002549
>Persona 1s combat is similar to SMT which is why some people prefer it.
>P1
>Similar to SMT
What mainline SMT uses a tactical grid placement system with different attacks having varied hit patterns, as well as equippable spell sets?
>>256002996
You just linked the PSP boss theme again
>>256003420
I meant the conversations as in talking to demons to either get them to join you (SMT) or get them to give you their card so you can make them or another demon (Persona)
>>256003274
What the fuck did you just say?
>>256003274
Shit taste.
>>256003420
I think he means more along the lines of demon negotiation stat allocation after level up(thought only for the mc), guns with different ammunition types , first person dungeons and other stuff
>>256003592
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-W2-0DpScw
>>256003702
dial back that enthusiasm senpai
>>256001939
Deadline shits all over that j-pop rap shit boss fight music for the psp version.
The psp one is more like the normal fight music in p4 which is also mind numbingly bad.
>>256003628
Demonic negotiation is kind of a thing for the franchise as a whole though, Devil Summoner did it too.
>>256003819
>stat allocation after level up(thought only for the mc), guns with different ammunition types
The removal of which just contributed to dumbing down the games.
>>256002996
I have to disagree solely for the lyrics. If it'd been offvocal maybe.
>>256004012
Not in p3 and p4 man.
They changed it out to a random chance wheel because talk grinding was annoying westerners probably.
Devil Survivor didn't have negotiation it had pay money for demons.
By Devil Summoner I assume you mean the Raidou games but those didn't have talking either just kick demons ass near death then capture it pokemon style.
>>256003794
Don't get me wrong Anon, I know it's not quite as bad as P3, but damn it's treading close.
>>256004269
BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY detected.
>>256004259
>Not in p3 and p4 man.
More reason why P3 and 4 really should've been a separate franchise entirely, they really don't benefit from being connected to the franchise (hell, they seem to specifically want to break ties with it as much as possible anyway with all the retconning bullshit.)
>Devil Survivor didn't have negotiation it had pay money for demons.
Yeah, that was an odd one in a lot of ways.
>By Devil Summoner I assume you mean the Raidou games but those didn't have talking either just kick demons ass near death then capture it pokemon style.
Nope, see pic related - Raidou's another one that could've been a standalone series, though at least AFAIK it didn't do any lore rape.
>>256004449
>Accuses others of being underage
>Defends P3
lolwut
>>256004659
Memento Mori > Muh pure tyranny vs pure anarchy, everything is fucked no matter what
>>256004781
>everything is fucked no matter what
>Not playing Neutral everytime and beating both Messians and Gaians into the dirt where they belong
Get out.
>>256003274
>P3s soundtrack
>bad
This is very obvious bait.
>>256004941
The only good track is the one they took from the earlier games and extended a bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Fc3PxsXzE
>>256004781
>pure tyranny vs pure anarchy
It's like you didn't even play SMT II.
>>256005156
>only good track
Nigga literally stop shitposting.
>>256005156
-0/10
>>256005259
Where are these mythical other good tracks from Persona 3?
>>256005368
The vast majority of them.
>>256005229
Most people who hate on the series didn't, you can't be surprisedand I went Neutral so I never saw that, that's actually pretty badass on Satan's part
Any tips for negotiating?
>>256005368
They were all pretty good.
>>256005424
Provide an example, if you please.
>>256005496
Git gudconsider the personality of the devil you're speaking with, use a bit of trial and error based on how prior conversations with that devil or others with similar personalities have gone before, also whether you're stronger than them or not. Throw this all out the window if the moon is full.
>>256005496
pay attention to personality traits of demons that will help you pick out the right response get them eager so they'll give their cards
>>256005561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aJ6v40BZCQ
>>256004540
Which is rather strange since 2 character from the SMT novel, I think are in P1 and P2.
American version she is Tammy and some other guy who she seems to hate.
Never played Devil Summoner but judging by the cover it seems to be jap only I cant read that sadly, but every year im thinking about learning it because a shit ton of game are only jap.
>>256005642
yeah, I'm trying to do that right now but I end up getting fucked over sometimes.
>>256005229
Was that game even released outside of Japan?
>>256005368
>He doesn't like the dorm song
![Shin Megami Tensei II (Japan) [En by Aeon Genesis v1.0]037.png](https://i.imgur.com/TG6SL59.png "Shin Megami Tensei II (Japan) [En by Aeon Genesis v1.0]037.png")
>>256005463
I went "let my heart decide" in every single SMT game I played. I played SMT I, then Nocturne, then IV, then finally got around to finishing II.
SMT II was the only one where I actually got Law instead of Neutral on the first playthrough, it was pretty neat. Although one downside is that Lucifer really is a likable bastard and you going Law breaks his little fallen angel heart.
>>256005368
>not burning your dread
>tfw just finished p4 true end
Now what do I do with my time?
>>256006119
shitpost on /v/ until p5
>>256006119
ng+ anon
>>256006119
What other games have you played?
>>256006185
is there any point to ng+? Is there any alteration from the first playthrough?
>>256005738
Tamaki and Tadashi? They're from If..., which Persona is a spin off of, so that makes sense.
>Never played Devil Summoner but judging by the cover it seems to be jap only I cant read that sadly, but every year im thinking about learning it because a shit ton of game are only jap.
It is Japan only, as are half the main series games and until recently Soul Hackers, Innocent Sin, and for all intents and purposes Persona 1. Add on that the translations range from passable to fucking terrible (I'm looking at you Persona 4) and the series really might as well still be JP exclusive. Even aside from MegaTen you should pick up Moon, if only for Super Robot Wars.
>>256005978
Louis' not really what I can call a great guy, but he's probably the most sympathetic of the super powers.
>>256006238
You can fuck around a lot more and probably pick some dialogue choices you couldn't before assuming you maxed out most of your social stats
>>256005667
OK, a decent one that sounds like a slightly remixed version of, again, Poem of All Man's Souls, fair enough. Anything else?
>>256005812
I don't at all.
>>256006061
Why does anyone like this song?
>>256006385
how much carries over from the first playthrough? I maxed out all the stats.
>>256006238
Bonus boss fight near the end of the game.
>>256006238
The school clubs have different S.Link depending on which you pick. And you can fight Margaret.
ANd I'm sure you have some S.Links left to finish.
>>255990526
1 goes into innocent sin
Innocent Sin goes into Eternal Punishment.
From there, connections are smaller, and it's more references
3 goes into 4
3 and 4 together goes into 4 arena
And that had some hinting at ties to 1 and 2.
>>255996935
This.This so much.
I started on persona 3, moved onto nocturne.
Grown to love both series.
>>256007131
>And that had some hinting at ties to 1 and 2.
What?The mysterious dude isn't Nyarlathotep
>>256007746
He blatantly is.
>>256007872
I'd be surprised if the P3/4 writers even know who he is.
>>255988378
I played it a couple years ago. It had a cool story, atmosphere, and characters but it was painful to play and has not aged well. I do not recommend it.
Like the first responder to the thread, I recommend starting with persona 3.
>>256008246
But Persona 3 was far more painful to play
>>256008405
Are you fucking retarded or just ebin baiting?
>>256008429
But it is, it's just so dull and button mashy compared to the tactical planning and arrangement P1 required.
>>256008592
0/10
>>256008592
calling it button mashy doesnt even make any sense.
>>256008405
Sorry, I amused it would be obvious but, my previous post is only my subjective opinion and is in no way a objective representation of absolute fact. Subject to interpretation, your millage may very.
Seriously, you may in fact love P1 and hate P3. I never said P1 was a bad game, I just had trouble with it.
>>256008671
It's casualized as fuck to the point it requires no real thought or strategic planning.
>>256008797
Have you even played the game or are you just trying to bait and shitpost with the most vague buzzwords possible?
>>256008687
Fair enough, my apologies, too used to P3 defenders getting all indignant and acting like it's some irrefutable fact of the universe that P3 is when the series became worth noticing and the prior titles were garbage, see: >>256008429
>>256008901
I've attempted to play the game five times already and always end up stopping out of sheer boredom. It's so fucking dull.
>>256006292
Yeah those are the 2 I thought they where from SMT but I was mistaken.
I wouldn't mind reading the book it was based on since I heard it was a book originally much like Parasite Eve.
>>256008913
>>256008993
But no one said Persona 1 or 2 were bad, you idiot.
>I-I tried to play but i'm just so bored >:(
Just stop posting, you can't even effectively come up with valid criticisms so you're spouting off the most vague buzzwords possible.
>>256009140
>buzzwords
Jeez, it's his opinion. Don't be a faggot about it.
>>256009036
If... is an SMT game, just a side story one is all.
And it's actually based on a British film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If....
>>256008993
Persona 3 had some of the most interesting dungeon design ever!
>>256009314
I was still more bored with p4 dungeons to be honest.
>>256009240
>His opinion
But he doesn't have anything to back his opinion up, it's like someone saying THE SKY IS GREEN when it's clearly blue, it's retarded.
Doesn't matter if it's JUST HIS OPINION, he's an idiot for thinking it.
One day there will be harmony between smt and persona fans
>>256009314
You can never know what lies ahead, Anon. YOu can gues, but you never truly know.
It is the unknowingness that keeps me going higher and higher.
I know it's not really a main SMT thread but
>tfw I got SMT IV's neutral ending just by going with my instincts blind run
So how should I get into the shin megami tensei series, including persona?
I've played only played devil survivor so far.
>>256009462
if you dont climb, the reaper will get you.
>>256009314
No way, Persona 4's dungeons were way more interesting!
>>256009392
Don't even know why SMT fags keep shitposting. I enjoy both, persona and the mainline with its spinoffs, but prefer Persona atm.
I could never think about shitting up a SMT thread.
>>256009391
It's not like someone saying that at all. That's something that isn't a fact. He doesn't really have to argue his opinion. He can elaborate as to why he found it dull, but that's not the same as arguing his opinion.
>>256009392
Shut up Buddha. Fuck those persona faggots.
>>256009563
they only had like two dungeons in p4 that even had a key system as far as I recall, one being secret laboratory.
>>256009608
*tips fedora*
>>256009563
>>256009351
I liked the video game dungeon's music
>>256009608
Expel that rage from your soul my child.
>>256009140
Not sure why you linked the other bloke, but if you must:
>No placement system
>Attacks can hit any enemy any time, no reach mechanics
>Cut over half the elemental types from the game
>Removed ability to customize party member's loadouts/Personae
>Enemies can no longer be negotiated with, making every encounter just a simple generic battle
>Random luck of the draw if you get a new Persona at all, much less one you're looking for
>No Persona compatibility factor to take into consideration
And that's just purely looking at the combat, not even touching on the overly large focus on the social aspects, or the mechanics designed to make dungeon crawling as irritating as possible (terrible designs and that "tiredness" system come to mind,) or the complete lore rape on how Personae work at all.
>>256009391
>But he doesn't have anything to back his opinion up
Neither do you.
>>256009392
Only when something even worse comes outlike how Classicvania and Metroidvania fans are untied by Lords of Shadow
So if I want to get into the SMT games, which ones should I play ?
>>256009542
for persona, start anywhere. not a lot of people like persona 1. p4g might make you a babby and you won't enjoy any SMT-related game ever again. p4 vanilla isn't quite as babby-inducing.
for SMT, Nocturne (Lucifer's Call in EU), Strange Journey and SMT4 all serve fine as entry points into mainline SMT. SMT4 is markedly easier than the other two past a certain point, but probably not by enough to make you a total babby. I don't recommend playing SMT1&2 until you've got a couple other games under your belt.
There are also other SMT spinoffs: Digital Devil Saga 1&2 are a pair of RPGs built on Nocturne's engine. Expect Nocturne's battle system but without demon recruiting/fusing, instead you build up your party more like a regular JRPG. DDS also tells a more involved story than the average SMT game (it has cutscenes and voice acting and shit). Raidou 1 and 2 are weird action-RPG/SMT hybrids with a rad 1920s japan setting. you play as a badass demon summoner detective. 1 is okay, 2 is great. Soul Hackers is a regular (for the time, it's actually a very old game) SMT game with the cyberpunk turned up to 11. it's pretty good.
there's other shit still, but those are some of the big ones.
>>256009972
Sure I do.
Saying it's button-mashy is completely retarded because enemies are immune to certain types of damage, some bosses require you to attack a certain way.
There, invalidated.
>>256010212
SMT 1, 2, and If... on the SNES.
>>256010226
>enemies are immune to certain types of damage
Very few are resistant to physical
>some bosses require you to attack a certain way
Which is how much of the game's combat?
>>256009878
None of that is very valid, mostly I DUN LIKE THIS it seems.
>Enemies can no longer be negotiated with, making every encounter just a simple generic battle
You act as if the negotiations in p1/p2 were some amazing, dynamic system. It boiled down to saying the same things to the same demons, even more predictable than a battle.
>Random luck of the draw if you get a new Persona at all, much less one you're looking for
>What is fusion
Seems to me you're just a bitter special snowflake who likes objectively inferior games so he can pat himself on the back.
>>256009836
Thanks internet Buddha. Now I know how to deal with those persona homos
>>256010221
Soul Hackers is fucking cool.
>>256010372
>Very few are resistant to physical
Not true, a good amount are very resistant, especially later on. You'd know this if you actually played the game.
Some bosses become normal enemies later on.
>>256009248
No I was talking about Megami Tensei I think its a book about some dude who make the devil summoning program and summons Cerberus as his demon.
But Loki also comes into the world and rapes his girlfriend or some shit.
![Shin Megami Tensei II (Japan) [En by Aeon Genesis v1.0]048.png](https://i.imgur.com/68Gju9v.png "Shin Megami Tensei II (Japan) [En by Aeon Genesis v1.0]048.png")
>>256010212
If you're familiar with games like Ultima where you actually have to read what people in the game tell you and maybe even take notes on occasion, you'd be fine jumping right in with SMT I and II. If not, then starting with Nocturne, SJ, or IV is fine.
>>256010372
the literal first mini boss in tartarus reflects strike phys damage and nullifies the other two phys damage types.
>>256010391
>None of that is very valid, mostly I DUN LIKE THIS it seems.
All examples of casualization of the game.
>You act as if the negotiations in p1/p2 were some amazing, dynamic system. It boiled down to saying the same things to the same demons, even more predictable than a battle.
Not really, individual devils still had their own personality modifiers, they just were predisposed to be like others of their race.
>What is fusion
A process which requires you to have materials to start with.
>Seems to me you're just a bitter special snowflake who likes objectively inferior games so he can pat himself on the back.
But I'm not the one defending Persona 3
>>256010415
I suspect you have not abandoned this anger. Which saddens me.
1 is shit 2 is god tier 3is god tier 4 is shit
>>256010685
Go back to playing persona buttha.
>>256010221
I was thinking of getting persona 3 FES and nocturne on ps2. Good idea?
>>256001939
What was the reason given for the change anyway? Persona 1's OST was really fucking good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Kz4WigVGo
>>256010553
Ah, that's the original. Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei is a novel that had an OAV and video game adaptation, the game adaptation getting a sequel not related to the book which I believe had it's own sequel. Those games were done by Namco, and then the license was somehow or other acquired by Atlus who went on to make Shin Megami Tensei for the SNES.
>>256010781
If I must.
>>256010683
>Being so out of arguments you actually resort to i kno u r but what am i!
Yep, we're done here.
>>256010814
To appeal to the P3/4 audience.
>>256007746
Late to the party butthere is and I can post if you want unless someone already posted...
>>256010918
There's nothing to argue against, you haven't said anything of any real merit, just tossed out ad hominem attacks and claimed Persona 1 as "objectively inferior" without giving the slightest reason why.
>>256010796
those are two good games! i like them both a lot. i hope you do too!
>>256010683
>CASUALIZATION
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's CASUAL.
Spout buzzwords more.
Persona 1 is garbage which is why no one cares about it.
Persona look fucking cool in P1.
>>256011035
Please do, I'm curious
>>256011101
>you haven't said anything of any real merit
You haven't either, all you've said is "I don't like this or that thing" and pass it off as actual criticism.
Doesn't really matter, no one cares about Persona 1 anyway, that's why you're so upset I guess.
>>256011150
Persona 2 and 3 are inarguably better than 1 but 1 isnt complete garbage also 4 sucks waifufaggot nigger dicks
>>256011186
Part 1/2
> In 1996 (probably), Takahisa Kandori developed the DEVA machine which was designed to create a special space allowing for the matter within it to shift into special forms. A sick and dying girl with an apparent incurable disease, Maki, was plugged into it and created a mirror version of her hometown, sealed off without hospitals and police stations.
>He was defeated by the Persona 1 Team, including Kei Nanjo.
>The Nanjo Corporation acquires all the research of the scientists involved and start their own. Keep in mind that Kei’s relationship with his parents basically amounts to nothing; he was raised by his butler since he was a child, Yamaoka, who died protecting him in the first game, and is being raised to be the heir (his new bodyguard “operates under the principle that the prestige of the Nanjo Group is more important than Nanjo himself”). Moreover, he went to Oxford in England right after his high school graduation to study, so he was probably unaware of what was going on.
>The scientist from this acquisition are people who have all worked with Kandori so they know about Persona, Persona users, and so on.
> I have no idea if by then the Kirijo and Group and Nanjo Group were still one of the same, but it’s very likely they still where. Besides: “Despite this, the Kir
>>256011150
>Buzzwords
All of those are elements that enhanced the game and made it more complex and intellectual. Removing them to lower the difficulty for the sake of allowing people who couldn't get the hang of it is the definition of casualization.
>>256011250
>You haven't either, all you've said is "I don't like this or that thing" and pass it off as actual criticism.
I've pointed out things removed as evidence of P2 and P3's casualization of P1's battle system.
>>256011251
>Persona 2 and 3 are inarguably better than 1
How? I can give P2 having better writing than 1, but I can't say the same for 3, and neither have better combat.
>>256011262
>Besides: “Despite this, the Kirijo Group works closely with the Nanjo Group and has a business motto of “Two in Harmony Surpasses One in Perfection” Fix'd
>Research is conducting on developing Anti-Shadow androids. To make them able to call Persona, they use the Plumes of Dusk and also take sick and dying patients and use their memories to give the androids a personality.
>In 1999 in the EP world, Kandori is resurrected with the power of rumors and begins amongst other things to work on creating another Deva system, along with previous research which includes separating Jokers from victims and theory on how to go about creating artificial persona users.
> Labrys is activated in April 1999, goes ‘berserk’ and is deactivated.
>Kei Nanjo also finds out that his company is paying for the research Kandori was working on and vows to fix the mistakes.
> He mentions they were also working with the government. The government was aware of the research going on, something Persona 4: Arena mentions.
> 1999 Shadow Incident
> By the time the two companies separate, you have scientists who have worked with SEBEC, Nanjo and Kirijo groups, have copies of Kandori’s research which probably includes the DEVA system and…
>>256011437
>more complex and intellectual
Oh I see, you're a pseudo-intellectual child, got it.
>>256011437
You say "casualization" as if it's objective fact, that's just your opinion. What you whine is casualization some would argue as trimming the fat off.
