http://rt.com/usa/171356-darpa-social-media-study/
And people say that MGS2 is not the greatest MGS game.
>>255545984
>a 12 year old gril wrote the algorithm
oh come now it had its nutty moments
>>255546279
Emma is not 12, she's like 19.
>>255546952
To this fucking day that ending gives me the creeps. Even more as the years go on and it becomes more and more true.
Fuck man I can't believe the guy who wrote Peace Walker wrote that
>>255546952
If only we listened, people wouldn't have been given all their information to Facebook and google.
>>255547576
and remember it was originally the Twin Towers getting destroyed
Raiden was a humongous faggot
>>255547576
I can't believe that the guy who wrote 4 wrote that. Just every dialogue from the point of meeting President Johnson until the end is on point. Who would have predicated the internet hype machine making what would have been otherwise mediocre games/movies into GOATs
Raiden was a faggot and hearing hours upon hours of him getting bitched at by his gf was awful. Big shell was an awful location. MGS2 was sandwiched in between 2 better games.
>>255547948
>>255548214
Take a look at these self-hating faggots.
>>255547948
>>255548214
Raiden was you, you dipshits.
>>255548281
The game even acknowledges he's a humongous faggot by the President checking to see whether or not he had a dick. Up to that point, it was questionable.
>>255548459
That's how people identify each other in the MGS universe.
>>255547948
>>255548214
MGS2 is clearly 2deep4u
>>255546952
I played this game last week and when this part came up I was immediately reminded of sites like tumblr and BSN.
>>255547576
> I can't believe the guy who wrote Peace Walker wrote that
Peace Walker was the first and only mainline MGS game that Kojima actually wrote by himself. He shares writing credits with various people on every other one.
>>255546952
/r/ ing codec conversation about chart please
>>255546952
I just finished this game this week and I concurr with most of the people in this thread. When I saw that part I was astounded. It's fucking incredible and amazing the way everything ends. The final boss is a little boring, but the whole context is amazing.
Why is RAY such a badass? I'm pissed that they decided to make REX hax in MGS4 when clearly RAY is superior to it.
>>255549142
Old things > new things
>>255549227
More like MGS1 nostalgia>>>>MGS2 nostalgia.
>>255549227
Red things < Blue things
>>255549142
It was an allegory for genetics, stating that mass produced weak genes will become destroyed by a time tested resultsOr it's just that Rex is fuckin badass
>>255545984
Just because it's story included an element that is very similar to things that are happening today does not make it the best MGS game anon. There are many other aspects to judge a game by.
MGS2 is fucking awesome though.
>>255549142
I get that RAY is supposed to be an anti-metal gear machine (more like anti-fake massproduced metal gear), but no. REX is where it's at, it's designed to last.
>>255549409
Well it was the climax to an entire act dedicated to MGS1 nostalgia, so.
>>255549527
In my opinion MGS2 had the best gameplay.
But the environment was boring, most of the plot sucked (until the last act), and the music made me tired for some weird reason
>>255549527
MGS2 has great gameplay and it's the hardest to get Big Boss rank on. Also, I have more fun fucking around in MGS2 than I do in any other MGS game. And it's harder to not get caught and then harder to get out of alert.
>>255549409
They're both great, shut up.
>>255549142
Rex = King, ya dumb fuck.
>>255549142
RAY can be killed by 3 stinger missiles. REX can take a hell of a lot more than that.
ZEKE > REX > RAY
MGS2 had a story that really made you think and wonder who is running the world, but that gameplay was shit.
>>255549794
If you look at the cutscenes after you beat the boss battle Raiden at most beats none of the RAYs, and at most takes out one. The RAYs that you see in the cutscenes are still in the A series.
>>255549939
git gud lol
>>255549756
difficulty != quality
I do agree that it had the best gameplay of the old style of stealth, which was more arcadey and less actual stealth.
I'd have to say I love all the games just about equally, with 1 being just maybe a bit higher than the rest, and PW being a tad lower.
>>255549767
Wasn't talking about the games, but the nostalgia around them. REX won because MGS1 has much more nostalgia around it.
>>255550149
And that it's a way cooler and more believable design than RAY.
Also, RAY can't even fire nukes. That automatically neuters it and makes it the bastard child.
>>255549960
>If you look at the cutscenes after you beat the boss battle Raiden at most beats none of the RAYs
How the hell did you get that? He's exhausted because he killed 25 of them and they still don't stop. The A series thing is most likely a game limitation.
>>255549960
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. None of it matters, because after the RAY fight, Solidus kills 3 RAYs with a P90 sub-machine gun. It took about 10 bullets for each RAY. That is the ultimate showcase of RAY's inferiority.
You know you can figure out that the colonel is an AI very early on in the game? At the start of the game (Plant chapter) when you go for a swim, the Colonel will tell you how to swim, he'll do so by talking as if it's an AI doing a recorded speech. He'll do this for a lot of basic instructions that you can call him for.
>>255550097
Not saying that difficulty = good, but I'd argue that difficulty (proper and balanced difficulty) is one facet that makes a game good. If you don't feel like you're being challenged, then I wouldn't call the game good unless if offered a lot of other things.
>>255550284
RAY is a sloppy party bottom.
>>255550070
I was good. Too good. The tranq gun made short work or any enemy set up. Every time Ocelot asks why the guards are late on their status report, I would just leave the area and come back to interrupt the process.
>>255549527
>it's
>>255546952
He's definitely not the first person to warn us this, but MGS2 did a good job in packaging the message in something other than an essay to be read, but as a story to be experienced.
>>255550629
The entire game the colonel talks pretty monotone and bland even though he didn't in mgs1 further proving he was ai.
He also describes the soliton radar word for word of how mei ling describes it.
>>255550149
REX won by using it's weapons and Otacon's firmware update. There's no nostalgia about it. Those AT missiles from REX weren't hurting RAY with their "nostalgia".
>>255551004
Yeah but you could chalk that up to it being a game. Snake and Rose also repeat themselves after you call them enough.
>>255551068
>Using anything but the laser in that fight
It just destroys like 20% of RAYs healthbar every time at full power
>>255549142
Here's a kickerRAY was designed to REX killerJust like how Liquid was supposed to be the superior cloneIn spite of this, REX defeats RAY just like how Solid Snake overall wins out over his brother.
>>255550371
>How the hell did you get that?
Because Every RAY during the Boss fight has lettering that goes from A to E and you can see it on the RAYs themselves. And if Raiden defeated all 25, why would he be dejected. He wasn't just exhausted, he was dejected. It could just be that Kojima chose the first 3 just because, but I doubt Raiden defeated anywhere near 25.
>>255550451
Solidus knew their weak spots.
>>255546952
I still cannot believe that was written in 2001. How was he so spot on about everything?
>>255547576
To be fair to Peace Walker, it was a PSP game with more of a focus on it's gameplay. The story would've been much better if they just stopped milkingThe Boss's deathas much as they did
>>255548968
>>255545984
you realize the only thing MGS2 did was point out the obvious right?
>>255550983
It's a great crash course in semiotics.
The whole La Li Lu Le Lo idea, and the intro's focus on alphabets, documents, and symbols makes that really clear.
>>255550629
>when we need to reach you- CONTACT you
>he fucked up the line from MGS1 and tried to pretend it didn't happen so the simulation could be accurate
>>255551314
It takes 20 seconds to charge that thing while you have to avoid RAY. Totally useless on Big Boss difficulty. The best way is actually to go nuts and spray RAY with the mini guns while charging him, then use melee attacks when he's stunned. Using the guns, then a 3 hit combo, then a special prompt hit while he's down is the safest, fastest and most efficient way of killing RAY.
>>255548372
>>255551341
RAY was designed to kill metal gear derivatives made by non american (ie, severely less rich) countries. REX was a step above those 3rd world metal gears.
>>255551902
You're right, Raiden looks better than you.
>>255546952
Shit was happening before MGS2 ever came out.
how did he warn us?
>>255552246
By spreading the word.
He warned us, no one said anything about stopping it.
>>255551442
>Solidus knew their weak spots.
He was shooting at the last one without even looking at it. Besides, if RAY's weakpoint is weak enough for a P90 barrage to disable it, RAY is a pretty shit mech regardless..
>>255551631
Those 300 page books you could read from the main menu were insane. I can't believe someone actually wrote those things just for immersion and world building.
>>255552385
probably because people with a brain could figure it out
seriously he just pointed out things that people should already have known
Having played the entire series recently, the message in MGS2 has become more true than ever with modern social media. It's fucking scary.
By the way where's that image of the codec call between Rose and Raiden about how the music charts are made up to influence what's popular and then at the bottom it shows game reviews and 10/10 shit? I never found that codec call in the game.
>>255552609
I can't believe that I actually read the books.
>Patriots wanted to regulate meme culture of humanity to filter out the trivial and stupid
>Solidus wanted to kill the Patriots to restore America to a real superpower it should be instead of the mockery it was/is
>Raiden roundaboutly beats the Patriots and kills Solidus because he still played to the Patriots' plan
>goes on to star in a Metal Gear spinoff that produced a ton of internet memes.
Welp, we're fucked as a species. May as well go down in flames with it.
STANDING
>>255552168
That's different.
Anyway, you could also tell something just by random things he says to Raiden and how Radien doesn't respond because he's just thinking "What?" and then the converstion continues like it's trying to make you forget about it.
I'm talking about things like Cambell's mentions of the word "simulation" and the way he ignores Raiden when he asks what it means.
>>255552609
>you will never experience shadow moses with a frozen tuna bro at your back
>>255552869
Were they good?
>>255552763
>probably because people with a brain
That's the problem.
>>255552763
No one knew about social media back then because it didn't exist. No one knew about the oncoming financial collapse or the NSA spying despite all the evidence floating around. Hardly anyone's aware of all the manipulation that goes around us every day. You're vastly overestimating the public's awareness. And if they are aware, they don't care, like with the NSA.
>>255553197
Read them when the game first came out, so I can't remember. But I remember loving In the Darkness of Shadow Moses.
>>255552894
HERE
>>255553292
The fun part was people thinking stopping SOPA would fix anything.
It's still very much in effect. Hell, the NSA is still spying on people as we speak. Snowden did people a favor and in return, he's painted a traitor.
It's a losing battle to fight short of a completely overthrow of the government, and even then there's no guarantee that what follows will be better.
>/pol/ pls go
>>255553197
They mention In The Darkness of Shadow Moses in game, it was written by Nastasha from the first game. It's an interesting take on the events of the first game from the support's perspective.
There's a different recap story involving someone going to Shadow Moses himself after the incident to investigate and being held hostage there. He talked a lot about eating a lot peanut butter despite hating it. I don't know
>>255553372
Nigga please, Darkness of Shadow Moses is literally previous operations refurbished as a book. Shocking Conspiracy is Silent Hill's level of spooky.
The dialog was awful though. Even if Raiden was supposed to be an annoying character,
>Did you say NERD?
Whoever wrote this line should have been fired.
>>255553809
i've always assumed the dialogue is so terrible it HAS to be a bad translation, but i don't speak japanese so i'll never know
however, it DID give us "WE'VE MANAGED TO AVOID DROWNING!" so i'm torn
>>255552894
The memes happened because of the patriots dying. Armstrong seemed to share in the patriots contempt for trivial digital information and I think he wanted to change the world so that laws wouldn't stop people from killing pencil neck journalists.
>>255553809
>not loving that line
>>255553930
And Quinton Flynn did a shitty job too. The Japanese version of Raiden just sounded like a normal guy, so there's no excuse for the whiny Raiden we got.
Having said that, I think he did a good job at the over-the-top edgy Raiden we got in Rising.
>>255553973
Basically, yes. He wanted an America that would basically be a militant state, which is the insane part of it.
The sad part is, I sympathize with both of those villains purely because online meme culture has largely been choking comedy. People don't tell jokes as much, preferring to make a reference to le epik maymay online. Referential pop culture humor is the worst and ages like shit. Look at old cartoons that use those gags from the 20s to the 50s and most fly over people's heads.
>>255553991
Dodged a bullet there raiden
>>255553809
>COLONEL I'VE MANAGED TO AVOID DROWNING
>how are things
i loved it because it was stupid and corney
>>255553809
You still don't get it. Aside from the fact they needed a word that sounded like node, going with 'nerd' also establishes Raiden as someone acknowledged with the 'nerdy' things, like the video games he was trained with, nailing him as the player even more.
>>255553930
The translation is fine, I don't even know why people say it's not. The problem with the drowning line isn't even translation, just bad delivery, can't you tell the two apart?
>>255554369
well it goes without saying that quinton flynn is 100% certified terrible. i didn't think it could get worse than MGS2, and then i heard his BADASS voice from MGR and hoo boy
>>255545984
I just finished MGS1 which was amazing and I'm sad I never played it when I still had my PS1 and I'm starting MGS2 tomorrow. What am I in for?
>>255554545
i mean, it's anime-fine dialogue sure, but there are a lot of left-field lines that you hear and just say "...what?"
"did you just say NERD!?" it has puzzled me for AGES why he would say that
>>255554369
Flynn obviously changed because his perception of Raiden changed. If he went into MGS2 dialogue believing that Radien wasn't meant to a faggot, he would have sounded different.
I don't think he was bad in MGS2, though. I really got the feeling that I was a rookie and Solid was excellently portrayed as a more experienced soldier for you to look up to.
>>255554546
MGR was completely ridiculous, so I think it was okay.
>>255552838
Someone please post it.
>>255554546
I don't think QF performance in MGS2 was that bad, he's supposed to be the politically correct character which is morally strong, and has to deal with the five stages of grief.
>>255554545
Come on, anon. I know you love MGS2, but there's no reason to defend every single thing it contains. You should be able to acknowledge when some part of something you like just isn't up to snuff.
>>255554747
Agreed. Quinton in MGS2 was fine. He was even fine in MGR considering Raiden's a complete fucking psycho by that point.
>>255554748
yeah it didn't bother me too much cuz it was mostly a game about hitting things with a sword but his stupid nasally bad ass voice made me laugh out loud at multiple points
>>255554819
scroll up and look for the one that says I WARNED YOU
its the same thing
>>255554546
Its not quintons fault its how everyone wants him to sound
he sounds pretty awesome in other things like NMH and whatnot
>>255554659
The game tricks you into believe you're into one of Snake's further adventures and then it becomes a commentary of information manipulation and the derivative nature of sequels.
>>255554747
But why does it have to sound like he's crying every time he talks? Also, his half-assed impersonation of David Hayter at the start, when you're supposed to think you're playing as Snake, is agonizing.
>>255554819
I'll search for it, I think I had it around.
>>255550730
>I would just leave the area and come back to interrupt the process.
I did this a lot.
I'm very fidgety with stealth, so I did it to retry rooms rather than standing there and getting killed.
>>255555465
because thats what he was told to sound like
>>255554740
Because he was trained with VIDEO GAMES anon. Nerd didn't have the positive meaning it has today. He was astounded some mission official would even say that word, like if a teacher called you a nerd or something. That points out the social awkwardness Raiden has.
>>255555631
I don't think that really makes it any better. The Japanese VA didn't have to do that.
>>255555465
He was wearing a mask so it's no wonder his voice was different. I didn't think it was bad, nor do I think he was crying every time he talked.
>People will always think MGS2 has an amazing plot because it was awful on purpose and noted social control through media
Jesus, no wonder vidya writing is so shit. This is the bar.
>>255555545
That's a lot of 5s. Anyway, I used to do it too. Then I realised you could hide the bodies and hide in your box while the back up team searches the area. After they do, they never come back and you won't have to deal with anymore guards.
>>255556005
>it was awful on purpose
wat
>>255556046
Those guards were really fucking lazy, they barely discovered bodies I didn't even try to hide. I always laughed at that.
>>255556046
Doesn't backup check the box?
>>255556141
Tha'ts half the argument. Raiden was supposed to be irritating. It was supposed to be a copy of 1. It was supposed to bore you with Rose. Almost every flaw is argued by the fans to be intentional, especially shit like that cock sucking delta head site.
But in the end it was just an overly pompous sequel to an 80's action movie clone that got too big for it's own boots.
>>255556005
>>255556374
Because it was a story that could only be told in a video game.
Also, the bar now is Bioshock Infinite, Gone Home, and Last of Us. Chew on that.
>>255556374
>>But in the end it was just an overly pompous sequel to an 80's action movie
so its exactly what it aimed to be?
>>255555814
>He was wearing a mask so it's no wonder his voice was different.
It's not the mask. As soon as Colonel says he's changing his codename to Raiden, his delivery changes completely. That's before he even takes off the mask.
See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg39pXGkZDw#t=4513
>>255556005
The only part that was awful on purpose was Raiden's personality earlier on, just because Kojima wanted to call you a pussy.
>>255556005
It had a good plot because it reinforced its themes by having the story show you that it was literally scripted in itself. Normally, you just be like "Yeah yeah, illuminati and stuff." but after hearing it and then being shown just how easily you can actually be controlled makes you really think about it..
>>255553809
It's to remind you of what the player is NERD
>>255556280
No. They don't check the area if you move the bodies of the other guards of the designated search pattern, either. The AI already knows it won't find anything, so it just makes the guards skip the search and leave.
>>255556472
It was a method of storytelling that could only be done like this, not the story itself.
And I'm talking "popular", I'm talking what stands up to actual criticism. There's no reason to bring them up beyond insulting awful current games journalism, I wouldn't give those games much thought in terms of actually trying to figure out what's relevant.
Idiots claiming something is worth discourse doesn't change anything to me, I'll ignore them just the same. Waste your time on things worth it, always.
>>255556759
They do check in boxes in clearing mode, however.
>>255556521
Not that dude
but i figured it was to fool you into thinking he was gonna be someone similar to solid snake (since he has the same code which is a rank in foxhound)
>>255556509
That's not a good thing to be. And claiming that's what Kojima wanted it to be is a big assumption. It's always hard to tell just how serious he actually wants to be seen.
I don't think he can do serious or run anymore anyway.
>>255556807
*not talking popular
>>255556890
It was definitely to fool you, anyway. I don't see why it would just be to imply a rank, I think the idea was actually to sound like Solid Snake.
>>255556871
Maybe they do during cautions. I don't know.
What I do know is that guards only check boxes that are in their walking path and that the back up guards that Ocelot calls in when you knock out a patrolling guard don't trigger alarms.
>>255552609
Not just world building, but more meta-commentary. You read about the guy who claims Shadow Moses did happen (and since we played MGS1, we KNOW it happened) but makes the guy also talk about UFOs and shit. So now, he seems like a non-credible source, so one is inclined to believe that Shadow Moses is just stupid conspiracy theories. "Our goal isn't to control content, but create context."
>>255556890
>>255557079
I don't know what the fuck Flynn was getting at, but in the JP dub, Raiden always sounds almost exactly like Snake. I don't know why on earth they got him to voice act Raiden.
I wonder if people who cite MGS as realistic portrayal of advancements in controlling people will still be called nut jobs now.
>>255554546
He does fine as Axel and Lea in Kingdom Hearts, he isn't that bad.
>>255557346
Yeah, probably. Or just people who need to be ready admit it wasn't the first thing to do it.
Reminds me of people who were just so shocked with what Black Swan or the Hunger Games did, and wouldn't shut up about it.
>>255556807
The story and method is directly tied to the medium though. It's great. It's why I don't see the point in turning games into movies.
The closest approximation to film to approach something like what MGS2 did, that I can think of right now, is Gremlins 2. Brilliant sequel that shares a lot in common with MGS2 I think. It's a bonkers satire of sequels.
And I agree, those games shouldn't be considered "the bar" but alas, they are. Citizen Kane and all that.
>>255557346
they will not be called nut jobs they will be called dweebs
>>255557578
>Citizen Kane and all that.
Can we stop mentioning Citizen Kane when medium-exclusive technical aspects aren't the focus? I thought we would have been past it by now.
>>255557831
That would be great.
>>255557346
The AI stuff wasn't realistic, but the stuff about things already being done were totally believable. Stuff like mentioning that you never know if public polls and scientific reports are doctored, because you didn't personally ask all the people who are polled and you certainly aren't a scientist who worked on every released report. It is so very easy to lie to people about things that require serious effort to disprove. To say a ship didn't sink is easily disproved, but saying why it sunk is not.
Here's the video, dammit, someone had to put it:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw
>>255554659
A massive mindfuck that toys with your expectations.
>>255553726
>investigate and being held hostage there
Then Snake comes in and frees him to give him a data disk to leak to the public.
>>255558407
I'm sorry, I'm a dumbass, here's non mobile plus phone background to compensate:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw
>>255547973
One would argue that MGS4 is a meta-narrative about "nostalgia and fan-service", maybe even carelessness, but it's less obvious about it. And MGS2, with the message it's conveying, does it far better than 4.
It is funny how both MGS2 and MGS4 SEEM to have the same irregular ratio of gameplay and cutscenes/codec interruptions. I don't get that with MGS1, MGS3 and PW: both are proportioned rather well.
>>255556529
>>255556005
This. If Kojima had never faked screenshots and PR shit with Snake in place of Raiden, and the game didn't keep making you doubt yourself with Vamp actually being immortal, or Plissken being Snake or not it wouldn't have the same effect and meaning.
>>255558672
why should I watch this awkward, ugly man talk about what most of us are talking about here already
>>255558778
MGS4's more obvious takeaway seems to be how much Kojima is fed up with game development and the industry. War has changed. War is routine. Snake is old and tired and wants to kill himself.
Peace Walker seems to be Kojima getting back to his mercenary against-the-world mindset. Gaming is his heaven and his hell. Outer Heaven.
>>255559262
>MGS4's more obvious takeaway seems to be how much Kojima is fed up with game development and the industry. War has changed. War is routine. Snake is old and tired and wants to kill himself.
Speaking of that, if you look at the model for the porno mags you can see a headline that says "The Best First Person Shooters of the Year! Can you believe we used to PAY for these things?"
>>255558980
Cuz this ugly, awkward talks about interesting things and isn't a total sellout/faggot unlike a lot of people in gaming "journalism." I won't deny his ugly, but I'm saying hear him out, not go on a date, stupid.
>still judging what someone has to say by their looks.
http://cse.spsu.edu/jpreston/cgdd2002/readings/metal_gear_solid_2_grand_game_plan.pdf
>we will never play the true MGS2
>>255559505
>Can you believe we used to PAY for these things?
Jesus, how could he have possibly seen that coming?
>>255553609
>Snowden did people a favor and in return, he's painted a traitor.
There are no heroes left in man
>>255545984
>http://rt.com/usa/171356-darpa-social-media-study/
THE MEMES JACK
>>255559589
>judging a person on camera by their looks
It kind of goes with the territory.
But i'll check out your ugly man, don't worry.
>Machines in the 70s were stronger and more capable of deterence.
>Peace walker was the only metal gear that actually got to make the worlds asshole pucker up in fear
The mammal pod was some crazy shit
>>255560053
When is an asshole not puckered up?
>>255556005
>awful on purpose
It wasn't even awful.
>>255556529
This is spot on.
>>255560053
>Kaz flipping out about the end of the world
Gets me every time.
Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0WUrTVVDYA
>>255559262
Ah, right, that's more accurate. Thanks, anon.
>>255559505
I've got to play MGS4 again, even though I'm not a fan of it at all.
>>255559598
Don't remind me. Is MGS2 the most documented game in terms of developmental process? It's at least the most documented MGS game by far.
...here's a reaction pic if anyone wants it.
>>255560668
It's got a disc literally know as "The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2" Viper Muncher doesn't even get a behind the scenes flipbook
>>255559681
>>255560580
>>255559681
Videogames have changed.
It's not about high scores, or gameplay.
It's not even about graphics, multiplayer, or innovation.
It's an endless series of micro transactions,
bought by children and manchildren.
Videogames, and its vast consumption of human time,
has become a rational, well-oiled business transaction.
Videogames have changed.
ID-tagged gamers carry ID-tagged consoles,
that use ID-tagged games.
Season-passes inside their games
enhance and regulate their experience.
Lending games control... Used games control...
Single player control... TV control.
Everything is monitored, and kept under control.
Videogames have changed.
The age of entertainment is now the age of control,
averting piracy from smart people.
And he who controls the activation codes, controls games.
Videogames have changed.
When the gaming is under total control,
DRM becomes routine.
>>255560918
I have this. It's wonderful.
I wish there was one for MGS1, MGS3, and the others. Shit, I wish more games had documentary-style DVD extras. I think only, what, Riddick, Portal 2, and Last of Us has that stuff?
>>255560438
I thought that link would be memories of Hal.
>>255559598
All I would want to see are the scenes with Arsenal Gear crashing into New York and Raiden cutting down the flag over Solidus's body. The latter would have made for one of the most iconic scenes ever. Fuck 9/11
>>255561118
So do I. I loved looking at all the facts not mentioned in the game, the non-used members of Dead cell, etc, etc.
>>255561126
Nice and schmaltzy.
Rescue Emma is a great representation of the whole game imho. Melancholic, foreboding, cool, stealthy, with a cyber flavor.
>>255561227
Kojima said he'd never release the Arsenal Gear footage and gets nervous/embarrassed whenever it's brought up in interviews. As a diehard Westaboo I think it's understandable he felt he made a slip-up.
>>255561583
Got a source on that? I don't doubt you I just wanna see for myself
>>255561583
Speaking of, what's everyone's favourite portion of MGS2? For me, it has to be everything from rescuing Emma up to her death.
>>255548372
This. Raiden is supposed to be "you," especially if you said "Who is this bishie faggot, I wanna be the epic Solid Snake! Worst MGS by far."
>>255562770
When everything goes cuhrazy
>>255562770
Bomb disposal.
>>255551503
Goddamn, I love this game so much. I'm glad this is getting more recognition these days, rather than being immediately discredited because "IT'S NOT MUH SNAKE."
>>255563740
The game's theme is more relevant now, funnily enough.
>>255562770
the arsenal gear part. it just made the whole game go down to the level you don't even recognize it. a slap to the reality the game is in, but a the same time located in a nearly onirical environment. then it climaxes with the last fight on the federal hall.
![Arsenal_Gear_crash[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g7djz1I.jpg "Arsenal_Gear_crash[1].jpg")
>>255562005
Fuck. I swear I read that in an interview but Google turns up zilch. Maybe it was a tweet Kojima made. Maybe my nanomachines made it all up and I'm a fraud stuck in a VR mission. Sorry about that.
You can find SOME footage of Arsenal Gear sitting pretty in Manhattan though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqrEKvOYzoo&feature=youtu.be&t=4m18s
From the Document of MGS2 disc.
>>255563528
Someone actually likes the bomb disposal?
>>255564574
not the guy you replied to, but what made it interesting for me after the first time was the fact that locations and number of the bombs are different with the difficulty.
>>255558980
Just because you and I understood the point, doesn't mean the "BOO, WHERE'S SOLID SNAKE, BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY" crowd does, which is sadly the majority of people who played it.
>>255559598
>How different everything would've been if that was the final game. I don't understand why the changes, though.
>>255562770
Naked stealth, because that's where the ultimate bait and switch happened, and my appreciation for the game began.
>>255564853
>Played it in hard for the first time.
>Go to Strut E
>EVERYTHING IS YELLOW
the game needs a 3rd person camera to make it truly great
>>255567401
9/11
>>255567434
I remember my older brother hated the game as soon as you got to naked stealth. The game was truly 2deep4him
>>255567550
Not sure if that'd work with the narrow corridors, plus it's meant to be a recreation of MGS1.
>>255546952
Holy crap you guys are sheltered. Do you think Kojima actually came up with these ideas himself?
>>255567550
No you don't.
>>255567857
Yes, he also painted the Mona Lisa.
>>255560751
Thanks. I like it.
>>255567797
it worked well enough in peace walker.
I just want to avoid all the shit of walking into a new area and getting spotted across the area by some jackass I couldnt see
>>255551480
>How was he so spot on about everything?
He wasn't on spot. He inspired some people to make his ideas real.
So is it safe to say the series peaked with 2? I think Kojima gave his all because he intended it to be the last one he would direct.
>>255548459
Yep, and Raiden represents the player. Hence, those anons are humongous, self-hating faggots
>>255569308
2 is wonderful, but I still say 3 is the peak. It gave him a blank slate to work with and he did wonderful things with it.
>>255569308
I would say 3 is the peak, though I love 2 and 3 equally.
>>255569617
Yeah I liked 3, but fuck everything it caused, including the awful conclusion to MGS4 and the era of Big Boss prequels.
>>255570046
Can't blame MGS3 for what followed. AndPeace Walker was great.
captcha: rrhumm thoufand
- kiefer sutherland
>>255558672
>>255558407
That was a fantastic video. I have a really hard time explaining the whole meta nature of MGS2 to people, especially ones who
A) Never played MGS2
B) Never played MGS1 or 2
C) never played video games at all
This video does a very fine job at making the point of the games and information accessible and understandable to all 3 of those audiences.
>>255546952He knew about 9-11
>>255570046
MGS3+PW+PW2 > Solid Snake Saga
I have got the MGS2+3 HD for Vita and have never played. Should I start with 3 or 2?
ALRIGHT FAGGOTS LETS DO THIS
Can't say goodbye to Yesterday>Snake Eater>Heaven's Divide> The best is yet to come>Calling to the night>Here's to you (MGS4 ver)All of them are great anyways
>>255570919
Please. MG2 alone shits on 2 of those games.
>>255571642
2.
Release order. Always.
>>255571782
...That list is pretty damn perfect actually. Daymn nigga.
>>255571782
The Best is Yet to Come>Heaven's Divide>Calling to the Night>Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday>Snake Eater>Here's to You
>not playing Calling to the Night during every B&tB boss fight in MGS4
I seriously hope you didn't do this.
How did we go from the writing standards of MGS2 to Gone Home?Oh and MGS2 is the EVA of video games
>>255548757
But most modern popular forums are like that.
On 4chan you say something that people disagree with and you get 20 replies of reaction images, 20 calling you a cunt, and the rest just greentext.
>>255545984
>Writing
>Making a game better than a game with better gameplay
>MGS2
>Good writing
>Not just half assed concepts from years and years before hamfistedly shoved into a video game
>>255572128
Casuals and tumblrfags
>>255545984
kojimashill gtfo
>>255571782
Shit, forgot to add
Snake Eater = Way to Fall
>>255572059
;D
>>255570510
You let this happen.
