Found this in my old saved pics. Now I'm feeling sad.
Is there really no hope?
>>255510554
>WoD
HAHAHAHA;__________:
Is Age of Conan still even around?
there is black dessert, but is looking stale already
>GW2
It still hurts.
>TERA
goddamit. i was so hyped buti doubt the pain will ever go away ;_____;
>>255510554
I GUESS ff did ok
Well, there's another WoD coming that it's confirmed to be a success.
I think people need to come to terms with the fact that MMORPG is just a shitty genre.
It's just fundamentally shitty and will never be good to anyone except autists, and if one gets changed enough to the point that it is good, then it would have changed so much that it wouldn't be an MMORPG anymore.
The MMORPG savior is never coming because it can't.
>>255510554
FFXIVARR saved MMORPG
>>255510756
Pretty sure it is still around I got update emails on it. No idea how many people are playing though
>>255510554
XIV ARR saved MMORPGs
I was probably the only faggot here who played Tabula Rasa.
Man that game was garbage.
>>255511121
>>255511028
spooky
>>255511028
>>255511121
Nobody ever thought that Tortanic or Tera would save anything, and while originally WoD might've been good it was still just another WoW expansion.
Of those left only Guild Wars 2 was thought to maybe be salvation, but of course that fucking failed miserably.
>>255511156
It was pretty bad, but the world was interesting and it did introduce us to the wonderful world of public events.
The only thing worse than Tera was it's community.
>>255510998
i agree. the idea that you can make a game that will "last forever" (gotta keep them subscription buckz comin in) is ridiculous
there are games that DO do the "massive multiplayer online" idea well - such as dark souls - but they have a definitive beginning and end.
>>255511028
>>255511121
>Fuhfuhxeevarr saved Muhmorpgee
>>255510998
I think what you mean is theme park MMOs are fundamentally shit, there's still a lot of potential for games done right.
>>255511546
Dark souls isn't massively multiplayer you fucking pleb. By that definition any game with an online scoreboard is an mmo
>>255511774
there are no more than a couple players onscreen at any given time, true
but you are all in one continuous game world, with the potential to interact at any time
I'm looking forward to Eternal Crusade, though I'm somewhat curious about that other coming MMO, the really open one without classes whose name escapes me.
Saw another ad for it on steam, because they are currently accepting founders donations
Did anyone ever think Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, Aion, APB or TOR would save MMOs?
>>255511028
>>255511156
XIV literally did everything that's been shit about MMO's since 2004, just like every other piece of shit modern MMO
Just because it's polished doesn't mean it's good, and it in no way saved us from this awful stagnation
>>255510998
Only one I've seen do it right is UO when it first came out.
Sandbox world where you can build towns and buildings out in the frontiers and wilderness.
Skill based/Not level based let everyone in on the action right from the start.
Having real consequences for dying and also for being a player killer. There were Shards where you could really make a name for yourself as a Dread Lord or a savior.
>>255510554
Archeage, goy!
>>255512009
I remember AoC and Tabula Rasa getting lots of hype, AoC was the pretty much the proto-WoW killer
Mabinogi is the only MMO I bother to play
Too bad Nexon is jewing out the ass for 13 year olds who steal their mommies' credit cards.
>>255512238
Plus AoC had tits. I mean what MMO out there can you play lets you show off your tits?
>>255512379
Tera.
>>255512758
I hope the man who receives no compensation for his hard work isn't awake
>>255510998
Call me autistic then I dont give a fuck. No MMO sates my autism like they used to though. I'm sure you're just going to scream nostalgia though because you love buzzwords.
>>255511538
I actually liked the combat in Tera. It's just too bad everything else was pretty shitty.
While I don't like Eve Online, I think open ended gameplay with player driven content like that is the best way to take advantage of the genre. Player interaction needs to be the focus.
Has anyone here played Dragon Quest X?How is it?
>>255510998
MMORPG genre isn't bad, it's the fact that they're designed to appeal to the highest number of players now instead of being designed to actually be a good challenging multiplayer/social oriented game that gets popular due to being a quality product.
>>255513817
>dragon quest
Automatically shit.
>>255510743
I don't even care about having to share a vidya with twilight fans and emo goths. This could've been baller as fuck and the only thing to lure me back into MMOs.
>>255510998
Every MMO has been shit to me. I've tried playing one for years and all of them seem to be the same boring shit to me (even the "classics" like WoW or EQ). Right now I'm trying Tera and it's the first time I've had a semblance of fun in any MMO, but I see myself dropping it pretty soon from now.
It's almost like a dead fad that only happened when the internet started to become more and more accessible and all those ideas seemed now. Now the people who still care are only getting disappointed release after release, not realizing MMOs were always boring and awful grindfests.
>>255511921
But than your adding in games like Diablo into the mix.
Mmorpg note or less is a world with economy, in game community, meeting spots. Basicly you already know the fuckin difference but your just not picking.
>>255514421
>now
new
>>255510832
GW2 did very well and is still very popular. It didn't kill WoW and nothing else will. WoW will kill itself and only WoW can kill WoW
>>255511408
>and while originally WoD might've been good it was still just another WoW expansion.
WoD meant World of Darkness, not Warlords of Draenor.Wold of Darkness got canceled.
It's called Tree of Savior because it will save the genre
also Black Desert.
>>255513709
>Player interaction needs to be the focus
Definitely true, one thing that's always bugged me is back in the day when i used to play NexusTK during the beta, the NA game masters (people from the company that did the localization) would regularly interact with the players in the world and create events and plotlines ingame and act in them themselves. They'd even create characters specifically for the event and contact well known people in the game and have them play those characters as part of the event. There was even a plotline where the main GM Orb went crazy and was killing people with zone wide nukes and shit and the entire server had to come together and lynch him which sparked off another event that followed it, they had pretty good continuity too.
I don't get why MMO developers nowadays don't do this shit, it was a fucking magical experience in the NA NexusTK beta. Sadly it all ended when the game went retail.
>>255514758
Are these the new mmo's of the month?
>MMORPGs are dying
And good riddance. Maybe someone will come with better ideas after it happens.
>>255514758
>Tree of Savior
SOON
>>255514758
>Black Desert
No. ToS maybe.
>>255514572
gw1>gw2
>>255514758
do we have any dates on tos?
>>255514607
Yeah I realized that after I posted.
>>255514572
It sold well enough but that doesn't mean it was good, there were also a ton of refunds issued for the game.
I know /v/ likes to hate on GW2 but it has a large user base as does FF XIV. Both get updated fairly frequently too.
Sure, no MMO is getting WoW's subscriber numbers any time soon, but that was an outlier and not the benchmark.
You can still have a successful MMO with a modest user base. The age of subscription MMO's is coming to an end though, FF XIV is actually really lucky not to have sunk so fucking hard with a sub needed.
I do not play any MMO's currently, and while I understand how a lot of people would not like them, I used to really enjoy them. Back when communities meant something, but the internet is a different place now, everyone wants to be the new swifty leet pro gamer (which if that is your thing more power to you, have fun with what you do) which is not really great for a feeling of community.
There is still fun to be had, but it is not the same, and can never be again sadly, glad I seen the good days, and I will stay of MMO's so my memories of them stay positive
1100 hours into Warframe
1600 hours into Phantasy Star Online 2
1000+ hours into Dungeon Fighter Online (fuck you, Nexon US)
1000+ hours into Ultima Online
3000+ hours into Everquest
If you do not know hope, you have no feeling left.
>>255515751
source? Not that I care about Arena Net either way but I have never really heard it mentioned before, and if you are stating it like that you must be basing it off something?
>>255514221
>Those animation and physics previews for World of Darkness.
Man... I guess it was too ambitious.
>>255516358
If you bought the game digitally you had up to 6 months to get a refund for it.
>>255516572
What of it? Still not a source. Just going to assume the post was full of shit then... shame I like reading stuff like that
>>255516971
Pity, AoC is actually pretty fun and it's nice the way that they worked in spellcasting to really make the different casters feel like they belong to the different cultures.
Also that they treat the audience mature enough to not have painted on underwear.
ETERNAL CRUSADE WILL SAVE MMORPGS
MARK MY WORDS
>>255514758
can you even rotate the camera in tos?
>>255516305
>DFO
Fuck yeah. Based original devs Neople resurrect it from Nexon's dying clammy hands while they squander with Brink 2.0.
>>255517204
I don't think so, but why would you need to?
>>255511546
>>255511921
You are stupid. Dark souls is not an MMO by definition. You cannot gather all the players on the same instance even if you all decided to do it, at the same time.
It's not an MMO.
By your definition every single online game ever with stats tracking is an MMO.
The "but there is a chance that any player can meet" is literally any form of matchmaking ever, and includes every single online game ever made.
I've been noticing recently that people have no clue what "MMO" actually means. Why is that? Doesn't seem like a hard concept to grasp. The things that the genre does differently are very clear.
>>255517153
Already did. just bought up customer service links. Even more evidence that the post was full of shit.
Such is to be expected from /v/ when they are discussing things they dont like, false accusations as if it means anything.
>tfw FFXIV 1.0 had interesting and unique ideas, but god-awful execution
>fails spectacularly
>FFXIV ARR does absolutely nothing original and perpetuates the tired WoW theme park concept but has a decent execution
>succeeds
>>255515323
Black Desert looks amazing. Too bad looking amazing usually results in a disappointment. One can always hope though.
>>255514758
Black Desert looks like shit
Black Desert is pretty much going to RULE the FUCK out of every other MMO. I don't think it'll get a sub-base like Destiny will, because BUNGIE and HYPE, but it will have a decent subbase and the quality of the game is already through the roof.
>>255517512
What do you expect, a press release from ANet saying their game is shit and a bunch of people got refunds because of it?
After ToS flops, I think I'm going to straight-up completely forget the fact that MMO is even a thing anymore.
Too much suffering, broken promises, scams, all veiled behind a very simple, universal game design choice:
>we want to attract the biggest possible number of players so our game can be self-sustaining and last forever, and to do that, normies need to play it and the minimum common denominator must be as low as it could possibly get
MMO became an entire genre built upon the aforementioned lie once this industry stopped being okay with having a niche audience. Every game mechanic is trying to hide this fact to the player. Every balance change is giving illusion to the player that it's worth to be coming back, and it's cleverly designed solely for this purpose, disregarding the long-term quality of the experience.
MMO development is very similar to D3: "let's discard the entire game and design it from the grounds up with AH profiting in mind."
And nothing good will ever come out of that, objectively speaking. Even just keeping yourself updated with news is a waste of time since you'll know the games will be shit under this premise.
>>255518326
>>255518037
wtf are you guys talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvgCGjRyLvE
>>255518458
Good thing ToS won't flop
>>255517802
mmo players grew up eating shit by now, now they expect shit on their platters.
>>255518326
Delusional.
>MMOs
>>255518565
HNNGGGG
>>255518565
Yes, what's your point? Good looking action combat (not that garbage that Wildshit was), sandbox, castle sieges, corean plastic surgeon level customization etc. Looks pretty fucking good to me, I'm sorry you're used to tab target theme park shit.
>tfw City of Heroes/Villians is dead
;__;
If you seriously think any MMO is going to be a WoWkiller aside from WoW itself, you're fucking deluded to begin with.
That being said, GW2 is pretty fun. Not nearly as many people as there were on launch, but of fucking course not. Majority of MMO players on launch for every MMO are spastic ADHD/autistic fucks who reach the cap in 2 weeks then get bored and leave.
I just wish they'd add more important content. I appreciate the living story stuff, but goddammit I want more weapons and races and classes.
>>255518786
Looks somewhat interesting but the enemies aren't threatening at all, they might as well be moving target dummies that sometimes swing at the air where nothing is.
WHO /DFO/ HERE
>>255518584
>dungeons with progressive quest rewards at the end istead of arbitrary item hunting and making an arbitrary compromise between exp versus gear, one of the greatest mechanic that gave freedom to a player in RO
Nah, the game will flop but I'll be there to play it and experience it firsthand nonetheless. My delusion just cannot go away after so many years.
I need to take a direct hit to the chest and get BTFO to make me finally ignore the genre as a whole.
>>255519227
RANGER MASTER RACE REPORTING
>>255514956
This is kinda disappointing, no one would like to see something like this in modern MMOs?
>>255518786
>good looking action combat
So, just like tera?
Protip: good looking means exactly that it will feel like shit when playing. It's a marketing move, the game will be shallow as fuck and boring as fuck, with zero depth to it. Just like tera.
>b-but hey it looks flashy... ;_;
>>255519324
I DON'T PLAY RANGER BUT YOU GUYS ARE STYLISH AS FUCK SO I RESPECT THAT
GOOD SHIT SON
>>255518786
The combat looks long and boring and the mobs behave unintelligent.
>>255519451
I was kinda thinking along these lines as well, it looks too much like dragon's nest where there isn't actually any strategy just hordes of enemies and you gotta use your strongest attacks that hit the widest areas without worrying about tactics at all.
Just because WoW is the most popular MMO do not mean it's the only one. The Secret World still have big population, Ragnarok Online have thousands of players, same for a lot of MMO. WoW will die, people just spent too much time in it to leave it.
Go home MMO players, only VR can save you now, but shitbook already bought the occulus. The next gen is going to be shit from the get go.
>>255519198
MMOs have never had threatening enemies outside of boss encounters.
>>255519227
So, is it beta yet? Any news or updates?
>>255512079
>>255519227
Fem Grappler master race reporting
Runescape is the best mmo.
>>255519770
NOPE, THEY HAVE 2-3 YEARS OF UPDATE S THAT THEY'RE TRANSLATING AND NEOPLE ISN'T A SUPER HUGE COMPANY. THEY POST STUFF ON FACEBOOK EVERY NOW AND THEN
>>255520034
>nope
Welp. See you in a few years.
I like PSO2
>>255518565
This reminds me of dragon age inquisition except faster and without the whole tactical thing
>>255519298
Don't be such a downer.
>>255519728
You've never played any good MMO's then. Fuck the easiest example was FFXI before all the retarded expansions that turned it into a wowclone. You absolutely could not mess with shit that was more than a couple of levels higher than you or you would get your shit pushed in, not to mention you pretty much needed to work together with a group to accomplish shit just about anywhere in the game that was level appropriate.
>>255510998
That's actually wrong, though, and it's why a lot of us still get hype for them. The potential is there, it's just sorely untapped because it requires a LOT of capital to get it up and running. Thus, it requires investors. Investors expect returns, which means casualizing the fuck out of the game in order to appeal to the dumbshits who play it for 2 weeks then quit.
Anyway, calling them MMORPG's is a bit of a false name- they're not "RPG'S" because you don't particularly roleplay, nor is roleplaying much of a mechanic in most servers. They're almost always MMOCPG's. CPG being Character Progression Game (stat-oriented, more about advancing your character stats or following a story with stats than actually having choices that reflect your character).
We've been playing MMOCPG's most of this time. We just need a true MMORPG.
>>255510554
>Is there really no hope?
WoD looks alright
>>255516305
>spending this much time on MMOs
>spending any amount of time on anything Nexon touches
You must be a talented individual
>>255520019
As someone who has well over 15,000 hours in Runescape, I can safely say that it's one of the worst MMOs.
>>255510554
What's the font?
>>255519451
TERA solo PvE against BAMs at higher levels was the exact opposite, it had one of the most fun and skillful "elite" mob soloing system I've ever seen in an MMO. Tell me in what game farming regular mobs isn't a borefest though?
TERA marketed itself as an action combat MMO and the action combat was fucking god tier compared to anything out there (except maybe vindictus, but that's not an MMO). Just because everything else was terrible generic shit doesn't mean the core gameplay was bad.
I haven't seen a single person who actually played the game to higher levels say the combat was boring or they didn't like it. Literally every person says it's the only good thing about the game.
>>255520281
>>255520483
Is 42 considered a higher level?
I loved the game, but fucking queue times were 1-2 hours long, and I just got fed up with it
>old MMO
>fun from start to finish, al game mechanics/content are available to you and designed to be in the game from the start, like an actual videogame
>'endgame' content is only player driven economy/territory control with already existing resources for clans to manage, which is self-sustainable forever because the community creates a scenario in which it's fun to be a part of
>always refreshing and with high stakes and massive community investment (the work of entire clans is on the line, expecting a result), the model has been proven to be running for decades
>new MMO
>clear division between "leveling" and "endgame", two completely different parts of the game
>it's agreed upon that leveling is something not fun you have to wade through to get a glimpse of when the game begins, more or less 50 hours into the game of tutorials and fetching
>"end game" relies on mass content crunching, which no new company can supply at the speed dedicated players can finish (actually not a single company has done this to date, not even blizzard), and so it's a horrible non-sustainable model where both the developers work like crazy AND the core players are bored because all they do is issentially "wait for the next patch, maybe I will have fun for one week"
>core players quit
>server loses the portion of people that is out there all the time, helping/chatting/participating
>game investment is entirely on the progression gear you grinded over the current expansion, plus achievements - I actually know a lot of people who will not quit WoW because they need to buy the time-limited pets with each new expansion, or they will miss the missable achievement forever.
>only collectors remain to play the game
>WoD
Cancelled
>Tabula Rasa
Man I miss that game.
genre doesn't need saving, pso2 is still active
>>255520483
I played a lancer to 60 and I didn't like the combat, but I only played because of friends and they quit after a month.
>>255520784
PSO2 is shit though
>MMO thread
>ctrl+f "SWG" "Star Wars Galaxies"
>0 results
SWG was too early for its time, the world wasn't ready for such greatness.
>>255520942
ayy lmao
Enjoying your point and click garbage?
>>255520641
This is more or less brought about in MrBTongue's video on the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvK8fua6O64
The TL;DW of it is that it's all WoW's fault for making so much money on the themepark MMO design (the second of those two).
EVE is about the only current game with the former model.
>>255515932
>GW2 but it has a large user base
Yeah, so big they had to basically merge servers making people miserable.
Shit game, on life support by the few autists that spend all their cash on the gem store. Dead game outside of that.
>>255517802
>FFXIV
>Any class could fulfill any role in the combat triangle if you were good enough and had a group of people willing to work with you
>In general, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING~
>ARR
>Every class is has one role
>Pray that you'll get a second one that isn't another DPS
>>255520641
This, it's not even the same genre anymore. If Ultima came out today i'm not sure people would even consider it an MMO.
>>255520483
>Tell me in what game farming regular mobs isn't a borefest though?
Ragnarok Online
>TERA solo PvE against BAMs at higher levels was the exact opposite, it had one of the most fun and skillful "elite" mob soloing system I've ever seen in an MMO.
All BAMs are clones of each other, the hitboxes are a lie and the telegraph red eyes are retard-proof. You could theoretically solo any level of BAM, but they impose you the retarded level-difference hard-cap in which you are unable to deal full damage and so it would take you 10 minutes to kill a BAM that is higher level than you.
And killing a BAM of your level does not oneshot you unless your gear is utter shit for the level tier you are at.
>TERA marketed itself as an action combat MMO and the action combat was fucking god tier compared to anything out there
tera marketed itself as "true action game", but that's a lie and an outright scam, because there is homing on projectiles and the player's attack hitboxes are 3 times what they look, you can swing in front of you with an enemy behind you and you will still hit the enemy in a lot of cases.
Also, the end-game P2W gear grinding to max out that PvP gear is literal cancer. It's so time consuming that without paying you would need years to completely max it out, and it's done for PvP so that is actually P2W. I know a shitload of people who dumped thousands on the game to get upping boosters.
>>255520942
I think it's pretty fun, it kind of feels like a speedier monster hunter, especially the boss quests.
Having to use a VPN because of all this DDoS bullshit is really annoying though
>>255520641
Forgot to add by the end of the post:
>fails and goes F2P within 6 months, is considered a failure by the publisher
>>255521245
Is Ragnarok Online even worth playing?
I've never played it before and it's free on steam. Or would I be too late to the party?
>>255520784
Not an MMO, so I'm not sure you would post that here
>>255521207
This Image gets me every time.
>>255521245
RO farming is pretty fucking boring.
>All BAMs are clones of each other, the hitboxes are a lie and the telegraph red eyes are retard-proof. You could theoretically solo any level of BAM, but they impose you the retarded level-difference hard-cap in which you are unable to deal full damage and so it would take you 10 minutes to kill a BAM that is higher level than you.
This is so unbelievably wrong I'm pretty sure you haven't even fucking touched the game. Nowhere did I also say they oneshot you, learn to fucking read.
>tera marketed itself as "true action game", but that's a lie and an outright scam, because there is homing on projectiles and the player's attack hitboxes are 3 times what they look, you can swing in front of you with an enemy behind you and you will still hit the enemy in a lot of cases.
Uh, there's like couple homing attacks...? Which all can be dodged with a roll, backstep or block. I mean, only mages and archers had homing attacks and those are in a tiny minority out of all the mobs in the game.
And obviously if you flail your sword in anime-style around you why the fuck would you not hit behind? Realism is sacrificed for gameplay, having tiny fucking hitboxes is retarded in an online game because of lag and it's why Combatative Strike and Heart Thrust were fucking utter ass in PvP.
>Also, the end-game P2W gear grinding to max out that PvP gear is literal cancer. It's so time consuming that without paying you would need years to completely max it out, and it's done for PvP so that is actually P2W. I know a shitload of people who dumped thousands on the game to get upping boosters.
None of this shit was true when the game came out and none of this shit is true at the moment either. Good job on copypasting some bullshit a retard on /v/ posted though, I bet you trolled couple underage faggots.
TLDR: You've never played the game, all you did was spout some shit you read on /v/ from trolls. 0/10.
Wild star, man, Wild Star
I've already come to acceptance that no MMORPG will be good ever again.
That said, I'll still try MMORPGs, can't be dissapointed if I expect nothing, and as long as I'm not paying I can't lose too much for trying.
>>255522665
As someone who playsand enjoysWildstar, I can say with reasonable certainty that Wildstar is by no means the savior of MMOs.
>install Tera Rising
>Make sorcerer
>Start accepting quests
>Literally every quest is either "kill five enemies", "collect five items", or "talk to this person"
>Start fighting enemies
>Realize that I'm just about invincible since I have ranged attacks and just about every enemy I've come across only uses melee attacks
Does the game get any better?
I'm two or three hours into the game and it already feels repetitive
>>255515751
Aren't most pc games nonrefundable?
>>255510998
MMORPG is not an inherently shitty genre, it's just become stagnant since publishers refuse to fund anything except WoW clones.
>>255520641
The only good fantasy MMO, where leveling and "endgame" we're not exclusive of eachother.
>>255522032
Do not play on 1x, it would be too shit by today's standards. Also, officials got completely destroyed by garbage P2W. Private servers are actually more integral, as hard as that may be to believe.
Play on 7x/10x private servers. You'll see most of the game features/mechanics within 2-3 hours and you can decide for yourself if it's fun or not.
I like XIV and Rift, but they're still just WoW clones, we need to move on from that game already.
I miss the days of actually interacting with people instead of having the game do everything itself.
>>255522576
>heart thrust with triple crit glyph
It's a fucking amazing skill but holy shit is it hard to land it on PvP. I don't really have problems with combative strike.
>>255524504
>emoticons
>"literal cancer"
>no arguments
Fuck off back to plebbit you underage faggot.
>>255510554
Recircle FFXIV
Cross out GW2, maybe Tera.
>>255523653
When you get to level 60 the game gets pseudo-difficult, but only if you solo the endgame content.
The pseudo-action engine on tera is completely worthless due to the lack of difficulty. It could be tab-target and the game wouldn't suffer at all other than you wanting to solo endgame content, which is only for the challenge, since it's slow as shit. And that is providing you've grinded for levels and appopriate gear, too.
It's fucking shit.
Why is WoW so popular anyways?
>>255524839
FF14 is one of the WORST mmos to come out recently, just because they add content quickly doesn't mean it isn't a shitty PVE only theme park mmo with a 2.5s global cooldown tab target combat system. FF14 is fucking shit.
>>255510554
Tree of Savior is the last hope we have.
>People play MMO expecting them to be good
There's your problem
>>255524839
Taking WoW, making it slower, giving it a texture swap, worse pvp, and less pve content does not mean "good" by any stretch of the imagination.
Our last hope.
I miss Warhammer Online ;_;
>>255510998
This man didn't play SWG
>>255525186
How does that even work with more people?
>>255524930
It was the first massive project that a rich company risked money into.
It was the first 3D MMO with stable servers that had little lag (besides the first 2 months, where it was utter shit).
At the time, it had a good compromise of world size/graphics, even if the world itself is completely empty, that wasn't an issue back then because we never saw an actually world that big being filled up.
Basically, the reason WoW succeeded was that it copypasted everquest and poured money into it, being the first to do so.
And then it snowballed and nobody could catch up. Themeparks rely on raw content to remain alive, and money will bring raw content.
>>255524930
Timing.
>>255525186
tfw the servers will be shit for us for a few weeks until the gooks know how much servers to add and where
>>255525186
Looks like one of those shitty gameboy RPGs
>>255524514
I haven't played in quite a while, I logged on to play my slayer for 2 weeks with friends and quit because the games' gotten just worse but back when I played hitting CS was near impossible. Every time you hit dead on it did fucking nothing, especially on stunned targets it missed EVERY FUCKING TIME.
>>255525186
dont want to be that guy but this looks like shit
>>255525320
No, it had the benefit of not being run by NCwest.
L2 was a superior game for a few years, and also came out before wow, had better graphics, better pvp, better mechanics, NCwest simply sucked.
> SAO
> ALO
> GGO
MMORPG's are horse-shit anyway. All you're doing is (usually) paying a subscription fee to play, and if not, you're being outclassed by people paying to be better in the so called 'free-to-plays'. You're grinding and farming at the same enemies just to be on par with your guild buddies who - under certain circumstances - will break contact with you and all of your friends when guild drama starts.
Graphics tend to be sub-par to compensate for the massive amount of players, and the combat can and will always be simple or just plain shit. Instead, why not play co-operative RPG games like Divinity and the like with friends?
>>255525186
What is that formation thing? Is that AI, or players carefully moving together in sync?
>>255524757
>>255525186
If that's hope we're fucking doomed.
>Almost nonexistent animations
>Apparently you control 5 people that all walk in a formation
>Killing what looks to be a boss is just standing in a formation around it and hitting it with everyone while you facetank damage.
What's suppose to be the appeal of this mmo? this is the first i've seen of it.
>>255525309
People just walk into the formation squares and the centurion takes control of everyone's characters.
>This skill will not be maintained for a long time after using it. You use this skill when you feel you need it, and you stop using it after achieving your objective.
>>255525541
So did RO
>>255525601
It's the Centurion skill, you control other players and get offensive or defensive bonuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYovF1Af5jQ
>>255525582
There's no real point in advancing in normal rpgs.
Sure, you'll beat the game, but no one cares.
In an MMO you can show off your epeen
>>255510962
The second time around
>>255525701
>that's the only thing that you can do in this MMO that I have no idea about
That's how dumb you sound.
>>255514956
because most MMOs are either too big to actually be able to pull off this kind of stuff reasonably, or 90% of the population are gold farmers and it wouldn't matter
>>255524058
Muh nigga. I never expect to see L2 threads here.
>tfw hear this song
>immediately resub
>>255525530
I don't main Slayer but I found it easy to land heart thrust if I use the stunning kick attack first (forgot the actual name) and right after that use the skill from the exact same position I land on, while facing the enemy obviously.
>>255525949
meant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS1qO7zFtoo
>>255510554
If WoD saves WoW, then by extension the entire MMO genre is saved. Checkmate, atheists.
>captcha: epenor excavation
>tfw nobody remembers this p2w piece of shit that only I played
RIP in peace
>aeriagames
>>255525749
Ew, I hoped it would have been a generic game mechanic where you could manually move into formations to get bonuses.
At least they did the right thing by having what looks like MH's crouch fire on the archer class, sacrificing mobility for higher attack speed. Breaks up the archer snoozefest gameplay by making you swap to optimize.
>>255525874
Of course it sounds dumb if you put words in my mouth. I never said what is in the webbum is all that is included in the game. I was merely presenting my opinions on what I saw in said webbum.
I even asked what the appeal was suppose to be so that I could get more information and make a better judgement.
>>255521245
Rangarok's farming was never ever fun.
Take off your nostalgia goggles.
TERA isn't good either but holy shit you gave out one of the worst examples of farming in a MMO.
>>255525906
You can't really stop gold farmers though.
>>255525701
Just stick to WoW clones, this entire post was embarassing.
>>255525949
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnr_rDiXUK4
I miss l2. I miss 100% mcrit gayness :|
I have faith in human ingenuity and innovation. If there is a way to make money from it, then there will be a way. Game developers arent going to abandon the cash cow an MMO can entail.
MMOs wont change in the next 5 years. Hell, maybe onwards of 7-10 years. It will be stagnant WoW shit.
But there will be a day in our lifetimes where personal computers are so advanced, server capabilities are so strong, personal internet bandwidths so large that MMOs will have the tool it needs to be actually MASSIVE and amazing enough to curb even the deepest of autisms.
And I get to play the whatever MMO of the future with myhusband. Just got to drop it for now and let it surprise you later on in your life
Black Desert is going to rock. Dragon's Dogma was like 90% of the way to being my ideal game and BDO looks even closer. It's a sandbox game where you actually interact with other people. It has loads of different simulations like weather and trade routes that dynamically affect gameplay. There's no gear progression, you just buy different types of "armor" which can get easily broken in combat and are meant to be disposable instead of some ancient god's 15+ helmet of strength. The economy is entirely player-driven, and each area has its own supply of stuff, including individual auction houses. The combat is actually fun and skill-based, like a better version of Tera, so you can beat much higher-level enemies if you're good enough and not just depending on your stats. You can interact with the environment, free running on buildings or sitting on any surface. The character creator is the best in an MMO and probably in any game, you can even give your character heart pupils. It has a stealth system. You have to create resources like meat, fish, dairy, different types of metal etc by actually playing minigames instead of watching a bar. It was confirmed for a Western release the other day and is being published by the same publisher as in Korea so no meddling by Nexon or whoever. Plus it looks absolutely gorgeous.
>>255526328
>and make a better judgement.
I don't think you care about a better judgement when that was your first post, either way there's more info some posts above and a video.
anyone remember Huxley? i sure dont
>>255510554
I played GW2 durring the beta and a couple monthes after release. It was a fun game but had no competetive PvE. The PvP system was great with a fucking great meta.
I got bored soon after and gave my account to my sister. She plays that shit religiously now, has almost all maxed classes from what shes' told me.
>>255526338
Asspained assassin/rogue detected.
>>255526832
I was aKnight
Never liked Assassins or Rogues.
>>255526824
>mfw I called GW2 a shitty facebook-tier flash game
I miss RO, I hope this game is good.
>>255510998
No.
MMORPG is not a shitty genre. It's just never going to move past what WoW "refined" because of shitty internet infrastructures. We still can't even handle per-poly or per-pixel collision.
Korean/Asian MMORPGs are just shitty games and rarely qualify as actual MMOs.
Assfaggots are not MMOs. Spiral Knights is not an MMO. Tera is not an MMO. None of these games are massive. They're all lobby/channel/instance based with small groups.
SOE's retarded ass is actually trying to push 10mbps as a standard for their shitty coded game because they want to save server space with psuedo peer-to-peer.
It might be a good thing if 10mbps becomes the new "minimum" available internet, but SOE won't be making any grounds in the MMORPG department.
Bethesda's retarded ass refused to give everyone multiplayer morrowind/oblivion/skyrim and instead they opted for a shitty out-sourced MMO.
>>255526338
what are better examples where mob farming is fun, other than the game that was a diablo 2 clone? do provide names please, ill be loving to play a game in which killing mobs is even funnier than diablo2.
>>255526631
>cash shop
>pay to win
so close yet so far
Out of all of those XIV is back and going strong so.. play that?
Or better yet just stop playing MMOs because MMOs now aren't MMOs then and will never be again.
>>255510554
Don't worry, there's stillFirefall
>>255520641
how do you get the old mmo feel and eliminate the grind at the same time? my main problem with mmo's is that the were fun to play as NEET, but at 25 I dont have 5+ hours unless i plan and move alot of shit around.
>>255512059
>XIV literally did everything that's been shit about MMO's since 2004
but that's why it's perfect
>>255526631
>tfw it will fail because the hype is unbelievably high
>tfw will never play an mmo again because it's all broken promises
Hold me anon.
>>255527070
>strong
>mfw I've played almost all of those at one point or another
>tfw none of them were able to replicate the fun and feeling I got from playing SWG back in the day
Fuck MMO's, garbage genre that went in the absolute wrong direction after WoW came out.
>>255520959
it was in the right time. sony fucked up that is the only reason it crashed and burned.
>>255526678
i remember it being DNF tiers of delayed
>>255526912
>plays knight
>doesn't like mobbing 50 enemies and brandishing/BBing them down
>or pulling the entire map when being on a party
You weren't a shitty agi build, were you? Of course you weren't, were you? Of course you weren't.
Wakfu APAC was briefly good until Ankama went full Enutrof and started locking out zones for non-premium players.
Which is too bad, they had a good F2P system going.
>>255526631
>buying the hype
You should know better by now
It's either WoW or XIV, these days. WoW is still full of content, even if the community isn't what it used to be.
XIV is shaping up to be a great game as well, although I could never really get past the boring classes and combat.
>>255511028
>>255511121
>>255524839
FFXIV is not good. Funny that they re-released the game, and then just copied a ton of shit from popular MMOs (ahem) so they could at least be somewhat successful the second time around.
Also the combat is some of the worst I've played in recent memory.
>>255527349
The only reason I hold out any hope is that the game is Asian, and the devs are actually aware of how Korean MMOs usually turn out and are actively avoiding making the same mistakes. The devs are seriously bro-tier as fuck.
>>255526992
I wonder how many times will the RO nostalgia be exploited.
We are at the count of three right now for full-out, shameless exploitation, and that is not counting all the Gravity projects that were not exactly marketed as RO successors but essentially were attempts of.
>>255527554
Really, 3 times? Name them please.
>>255527554
This is literally the first clone ever attempted.
>>255527529
>first class ticket on the hype train
Past the point of no return.
>>255525320
>It was the first 3D MMO with stable servers that had little lag
Bullshit EQ ran fine
>>255527128
You accept the fact that the genre is not made for you and stop dipping into the themepark cancer which is something a working adult should not spend all their freetime on either to begin with.
MMOs are not games for people who already have one job. It's pretty much always been the case that if you were invested in one and had a real job, you'd only play that one MMO every evening all the time.
You want an MMO without grinding or keeping consistency and progress? Dota2 is the closest example there is, and it's not even an MMO; that's how impossible your idea is.
MMOs need to be grind-based because the sandbox needs to be revolving around a resource to fight over.
Otherwise, any multiplayer game is going to be better right off the bat. You'd just be playing a butchered multiplayer game without the thing that makes MMOs unique.
>>255527854
It's okay. If the game sucks I can just kill myself, it's a win-win really.
>>255527529
>The devs are seriously bro-tier as fuck.
I've heard this way too many times.
>>255525570
>HOMO
>>255519227
wtf is dfo
Why doesn't someone just make an MMO for the BRs?
I feel like they're an untapped market.
>>255527980
This is why people don't mind P2W or P to convenience so much anymore. A lot of us who used to play old mmos when we were 13 are now working adults and we have disposable income. Sometimes I would prefer to spend it on stuff.
>>255528094
DUngeon Fighter online, Dungeon And Fighter in Korea
>>255526631
>heart pupils
fuck weebs
>>255527737
>>255527816
Sure is people who blocked out bad memories around here.
Ragnarok Online 2: Gate of the World
Ragnarok Online 2: Legend of the Second
Tree of Savior
>>255510554
FFXIV is probably the best on the market at present.
I mean it's still shit but it's not like there's any competition.
>>255527323
>Wanting lots of little hits instead of big damage
Nigga I just said I don't like Assassins.
RO's grind is bad. Doesn't matter if you're efficient, it's boring.
>>255528467
RO2 isn't anything like Ragnarok Online, what in the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>255519227
I thought DFO was kill?
The only MMO's I play are TOR and STO. Oh, and Planetside 2 but that barely counts. They're alright, not perfect, but fun for when you want that sort of thing. I was going to get hype for Eternal Crusade, but that shit is pure cancer and looks like garbage so that hope is dead. Maybe Everquest 2 will be fun? I doubt it, but you never know.
>>255528467
You mean that game that was cancelled and that other that was a WoW clone?
I'm talking about actual clones, games like Ragnarok online, are you retarded or just pretending?
>>255527529
>Koreans
>bro-tier
No what you're actually witnessing is the Korean society at work.
"We need to make something better and put our identity in it, that way we'll be recognized!"
Seriously S.Korea is worse than California when it comes to societal exploitation.
You think the Kardashians are bad? Go to S Korea.
>>255528648
>Everquest 2 will be fun?
you mean EQN? EQ2 is older than wow, albeit only slightly
>>255528627
Yeah, it turned out to not be anything like RO. But both games were marketed to be the real successor to RO.
And they promised they would bring the core elements of RO back into life.
That is, until the games came out.
Hence why "nostalgia exploiting". They hyped up shitty games solely on RO nostalgia marketing.
ToS will be the third project that does so.
Not sure why you're trying to argue facts here.
>>255527863
>muh minority shouting
No EQ was a coding trainwreck just like every single SOE developed game.
Stop spreading lies.
>>255528173
There a non-factor.
BRs don't spend money, which is why they infest every f2p game
>>255528636
THEre was an alpha test a while ago to see if there was interest, and they (Neople, the devs) said that they're gonna bring the game back to NA
It's taking a while because they're probably translating the 3 years of updates that NA was behind on
>>255528838
I know what you're saying, and I know that companies are going to try to put out a good image to make you buy their game. But, assuming they are telling the truth, the information they're giving out about the game is extremely promising and if they can keep their word BDO has the potential to be one of my favorite games ever. I know every company tells lies all the time, but the way they're interacting with fans seems really sincere and gives me a tiny shred of hope.
>>255529010
>mfw landmark looks like it should run at 60 fps solid, but only runs at 20 fps, even on lowest settings on a GTX 780
>quit Tera because of lack of content
>next month new dungeons come out
>"I guess I'll play them and then quit again"
>Next day new level cap, competitive guild housing, new PvE/P BG, skills, dungeons, continent and more, are announced, with a 3rd patch in secret for now
>couple of days after that, Russia Tera leaks that there will be another new class
>UI updates
>enchanting system being changed for the better
>tfw game is being saved
It feels amazing.
>>255527529
>The devs are seriously bro-tier as fuck.
unfortunately they answer to the publishers. who see this as a quick money making scheme. the cash shop will probably ruin the game. I hope im just overly pessimistic...
>>255529115
Except we've seen gameplay.
Also it's not even gravity making it.
>>255528838
MAfag here. Korea never fails to make me laugh with how they rip off japanese shit then claim it's actually some ancient korean thing.
They've got this sword style, gumdo, there's pretty much no evidence of it existing before the 1990s. I've had koreans tell me that the hwaorang warriros invented it and taught it to japanese samurai. Similar stories with TKD and hapkido.
>Not playing MUDS and other text games.
>>255529419
yeah, no.
people here aren't that delusional, or so i'd like to think
>>255528974
Well, let's get some facts straight here.
RO2 was made by some shitty Chinese company that tried to essentially make WoW with RO2 shit, which was retarded. The moment you looked at 1 second of footage of that game you realized it wasn't anything like Ragnarok Online.
They were marketed as sequels, but no one believed for a second they were successors.
Tree of Savior is actually developed by the original director of RO, who is no longer working at Gravity either. It's also actually look to be more of a proper successor to RO than RO2 ever did
ToS is the first game to be marketed as a spiritual successor to RO..
>>255529279
Who said anything about being gravity making it?
We also know that ToS changes some core elements of RO, like adding quest rewards being good enough that you must do them to obtain them.
Nostalgia exploiting is not restricted to the original developer nor it is without lies, as history has proven.
>>255529571
Important question: Does it have Bards?
>>255528884
Yeah, that. Never played either of the past Everquest games because they looked like shit, but this new one looks like it might be entertaining if not just for the gimmick of being player created and letting people band together to build cities and shit like SWG.
>>255529305
The previous generation of korean/chinese/japanese people all fucking hate each other, it's hilarious. They all claim that the other ripped off their mythology/language etc etc
