Skill required in video games thread.
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Preparing for "fighting games are just memorizing inputs" bullshit
That's pretty cute, yeah. Joke image thread?
Missing an Elder God tier: Shitposting on /v/
>>255350987
Perfect
Action games should be in Pro+ Tier for the Dark Souls series alone.
>>255350987
>Shmups and racing not alongside fighters
OP has no knowledge of all three genres.
>>255350987
I think you need to add in another tab that says "Need some Knowledge" tier, and throw Mobas, Action RPG's, MMORPG's (PvE), Roguelike, and some other stuff in there.
Platformers definitely need some skill, depending on how hard they get.
Shmups in Casual, what the fuck are you even doing?
>>255350987
>Point N' Clicks and sim games even being on this list.
So are you allowed to enjoy anything that isn't a fighting game or RTS? Why would you even need to include them?
>Turn-based games
So by skill I assume you mean reflex and not games like chess.
>>255350987
>fighting games pro tier
kekkest bait
>>255350987
moba > arena fps
bait decent enough to get me mad
>>255350987
original version
>>255352496
original version
>>255350987
more like neckbeard tier list lol
>>255352846
I don't think Skill is the right word for those two.
Mobas live and die by how good you work as a team, while arena fps are generally based on how good everyone is by themselves, but when you reverse it, its not as important.
>>255353143
>poorly edited bait
>original
>>255353143
Original version is clearly shit.
>>255350987
Swap Arena FPS with team-based FPS and it's perfect.
>>255354218
>Arena FPS
>Skill
lono at least in team FPS you have to actually aim at your opponent
>fighting games
>pro tier
There's maybe one fighter out there that's mostly about skill, and not tiers bullshit. That's Virtua Fighter 5.
I've always found it interesting that people on /v/, for years and years and years, have stuck to the idea that console FPS are actually EASIER to play than PC FPS.
The absolute best players in the world, the elite top percentile who are literally payed money to play the console FPS, often can't play on maximum sensitivity.
They do not achieve the proficiency that PC FPS players do.
The game is *that* much harder to master. The skill ceiling is *that* much higher. The absolute best, on earth, have not come close to reaching it. And yet, those games are more casual?
>>255353143
>>255353309
/thread
>>255350987
Perfect
>>255355442
>that 1 extremely butthurt quake baby who constantly samefags the thread.
>>255355378
Paraplegics have it harder in the Paralympics then athletes in the Olympics, but no-one gives a shit about the most successful paraplegic athletes.
>>255356025
People care less about the success of the paraplegic athletes, yes.
But only a fucking retard would claim that they have it easier, and that it's easier for them to achieve success, ie "casual console shooters".
>>255351218
They're not just memorizing inputs, they're memorizing inputs and other bullshit info on every movement a character makes.
>>255350987
Move ASSFAGGOTS down a lot
>>255356380
I agree, the problem lies in the fact that most people are fucking retards, and would never touch a console shooter because 'muh PC master race'.
>>255357040
Teamwork is a a skill
Hence, Some skill required tieralso it takes a great deal of skill to not want to kill yourself after playing more than 3 games in a row
>>255350987
>Almost all these genres require fast reflexes
>MFW my reflexes are almost half a second below average
Guess I'll just stick with turn based games.
>>255357480
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
tell me how you do
>be sure to use chrome and disable windows aero
>>255355950
what's the matter with you? Are you upset that your videogame is easy to learn and play?
>>255357480
>Some Sad Guy
He's actually the only person truly happy in the movie he's in.
![2f9a9d67e0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/zVY1dd8.png "2f9a9d67e0[1].png")
>>255357605
Not that anon, but I think I did pretty well
I guess playing nothing but fighting games helped with that
>>255358445
Not bad kid, here's my results from a few weeks ago, could probably get 5-10ms lower if I used a different mouse with faster clicks but this is with the mouse I actually use when playingQuakefag btw :^)
>>255358198
He never looks happy, maybe he just likes the challenge of killing.
>ASSFAGGOTS
>any skill at all
>>255358445
>>255358647
>fighting games take more skill than arena FPS
top fucking kek, guess it's settled then?
>>255359108
>Reaction time = skill
That literally makes no sense, but I do agree that (depending on the game) arena FPS like Quake, UT, and others have a higher skill ceiling than fighting games, and take more skill to play at a top-tier competitive level.
>>255359404
Reaction time is a skill though, obviously it's only one of the many aspects involved in either genre but fighting game players especially seem to always put a heavy emphasis on how there game demands an insanely fast reaction time see >>255352496
>>255359681
>Implying I'm good at fighting games
And honestly it's on a game-by game basis. Some fightan will call for higher reaction times than some arena FPS
>>255358647
So this alone pretty much disproves OP's shitty list?
>>255353309
I cannot believe how blinded some people are by nostalgia.
>>255360148
I was playing Quake Live just yesterday buddy, it's not "nostalgia"
>>255359404
>arena FPS like Quake, UT, and others have a higher skill ceiling than fighting games, and take more skill to play at a top-tier competitive level.
Obvious bait is obvious
>>255360458
Then there's no excuse for your shitty taste, or thinking you're some kind of genius for playing an average FPS.
Sorry but FPS games just don't require any skill to play at all, this is just fact.
>>255358445
I play nothing but VNs
No competitive game is as consistent as arena FPS.
Alright, be honest /v/, is this "fighting games take skill" thing just an epick meme? Or are there people this delusional? I originally thought it was just a joke but I keep seeing it and I'm starting to get worried that people might start believing it.
>>255361697
>play nothing but VNs
>better reaction time than fighting game player
holy shit I'm fucking dying this is too fucking good HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>255362215
I forgot to mention i'm using a laptop trackpad + clicker things
>>255350987
Where are stealth games on the chart?
>>255350987
>team based fps
does that mean TF2 counts?please tell me it counts so my e-penis will increase in size
>>255362215
I also dont play much besides VN's and I used firefox what is wrong with using it ?
>no one has brought up smash
I'm proud of you /v/
>>255358647
>mfw nobody else in this thread can even come close to this
>mfw glorious Quake master race wins again
>>255353143
MOBA's are still in the need some skill category.
>>255362828
What do you think the answer is, anon?
>>255363486
teamwork and game knowledge are skills, the fact that they require absolutely zero mechanical or individual skill is irrelevant
>>255363590
that I need to kill myself
>>255363679
That's why they belong in the casual tier. Any of those other genres need the same if not more "skill".
>>255361592
then why some people are better constantly and other people are bad constantly.
There is consistency, you cant deny that. No matter how autistic you are, basically you are saying that a guy that draws realism is the same a a guy who draws stick figures just because they both are doing the drawing activity.
>>255359018
You should start playing dota then, you could have just won 10 million no problem.
>>255350987
>Monster Hunter
>Casual tier
topkek
Fighting game player here
>>255365732
quake babies getting BTFO
>>255365732
What is this? i want to play
>>255350987
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Ultra-casual
You dun goofed
>>255350987
Why not just put it like it is, fighting games in hardcore tier and melee in pro tier. Since melee is the only game that has and will ever require significant skill to be good at
>>255350987
>Shoot-em-up
>Casual tier
Contra, Gradius, R-Type, Metal Slug, and . . . fucking every game in that genre want to ask you a question.
Did I do good?
>>255365732
Now post two averages within a minute like >>255358647
>b-but my prediction clicks that aren't relevant to my actual reaction time
topkek
>>255365732
Why is this screenshot different to all the others? Post your actual average faggot
>>255365732
Nice fake, come back when you have a screenshot of your actual average on the actual leaderboard like every other post
>>255366836
see >>255357605
so far nobody has been able to match the quake player
>>255358647
wow, impressive
Skill isn't everything. It's certainly not the only defining difference between real games and Babby's Furst Gaem. Strategy is also important, since casuals are not just inexperienced gamers but also mentally disabled gamers by definition. So really, the RTS, which takes fuck-huge amounts of both on the fly, is even more of a true gamer's game. Hence why only gooks can play it: they have superior brains and natural skill levels, as well as a culture that drives them to excel at everything or not get involved, while we white people are already at a disadvantage and our hippie-influenced PC SJW culture is handicapping us even more.
>>255368261
>Literally Reaction Time
Oh anon, you made me happy.
>>255369085
Typical fps baby, claims anyone better than him is cheating.
>>255365732
>56ms reaction time from lucky click
>127ms average which inbetween fake reaction time from lucky clicks and actual reaction time
>actual reaction time is 200ms or more
lol
>>255368261
Put using photoshop in pro tier
>>255370191
56ms reaction time is impossible for a human, the fact that you didn't post your actual reaction time 100% confirms that it was inferior
>mfw quakefags win.................. AGAIN
>>255365732
>>255365732
>>255365732
Fighting master race!
Feels good man
>>255365732
>spamming hits hoping to get lucky instead of relying on your actual reaction time
to be fair it's what you are used to :^)
>>255370598
There you go
It's funny that fighting fans make these disinfo graphics as if anyone here's ignorant enough of the genres to be convinced by them.
There are only 3 competitive games and by tier they're
RTS
FPS
Fighting
from hardest to easiest.
>>255365184
That's not how the ti4 prize pool works.
>>255369572
let's see Paul Allen's score
>>255368261
>VN
Not games.
>>255371221
>fps
>competative
Fighting games are the Epitome of skill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM
Nothing comes close to the depth and skill required to play fighting games.
>>255371002
fucking told
>>255371221
>any RTS
>harder than Quake
so this is that bait thing I've been hearing so much about?
>>255372772
Holy shit are you for real, this has to be bait.
>>255372212
How can fighting fan n00bs actually believe this shit?
You've fighting games with super-moves that remove most of an opponent's health in one go. You get bars to power your super moves even by getting your ass kicked. The Dark Pheonix rewards you for letting your character die.
>>255372772
Quake's fast. That's it.
An RTS is as-fast (reacting to any enemy incusrions, ordering multiple units simultaneously) but you're also rotating between several areas of the map a second to keep events proceeding according to your will and longterm plans.
I love Quake Arena but it's 1 camera and there is no longterm buildup. There's no fuck-up in minute 5 that's going to screw you come minute 10.
>>255372772
>Quake
>Hard
Said no one ever
>>255373301
>highest skill requirement of any video game ever to exist
>not hard
if you say so man
>>255373139
>>255373139
>Quake's fast. That's it.
lol really?
>implying you've ever played Quake
>implying you even know what you are talking about
>There's no fuck-up in minute 5 that's going to screw you come minute 10.
Well the matches only last 10 minutes so losing control 5 minutes in could be pretty costly......
>>255373805
>Quake
>Skill
Oh god my sides!!!
>>255374135
>yfw Quake is unanimously regarded as one of the most skillful video games of all time
>yfw no matter how much you shitpost nothing will change
being a fighting fan must be living hell, I can't even fucking imagine
>>255350987
>shmups and rythym
>casual
bait
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>>255373960
It almost makes me want to not wear the Creative Fatal1ty headsetNot really
>>255374385
>Quake is unanimously regarded as one of the most skillful video games of all time
By absolutely no one
>>255374385
By who? The fedorababies that think dark souls is difficult?
>>255374385
>quake is unanimously regarded as one of the most skillful video games of all time
Said literally no one ever.
>>255350987
>>255374385
Now this is some hardcore delusion
>>255374702
>>255374807
>>255374910
>no matter how much you shitpost nothing will change
>>255375096
>Now matter what I'll be a little baby because I'm nostalgic for little babby game that is as hard as cawaduty
>>255375096
Your right, quake will always be regarded as a joke, dead, casual game for monkeys with ADHD just like it always has been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUiG2_NTSI [Embed]
Show me any other video with this much strategy going on and being casted by the player himself
>protip: you can't
>>255351937
You know the argument people make about fighting games just being memorisation, that's actually true about shmups, a game that isn't reactive can't possibly compete with one that is.
>>255375457
>literally no strategy what so ever
>90% of the game is spamming AoE splash weapons
Topkek
>>255375457
>he might go for the only useable weapon in the game so im going to sit on it
Wow such STRATEGY
>>255372772
A GM korean SC2 player in my mind is much more skilled than some pro Quake player. No doubt in my mind.
I agree quake and arena shooters in general require a degree of skill, especially above mobas and turn based strategy games, but those fuckin koreans in RTS games man. They're almost not human.
>>255376578
The video you posted really proves itoh wait
>SC2
>strategy
>cookie cutter builds
>strategy
>>255376578
Yep your mind is so good at determining skill
>>255376782
>implying that speed, memory, and counters aren't strategy
>implying you'll ever get close to even plat
>implying I care about your shit opinion
Go play quake where you aim at shit and shoot, I'll stick to learning my opponent, outsmarting them, being faster than them, out micro and macro'ing them etc. If you think RTS don't require skill and starcraft is all cookie cutter builds you probably would be stuck in bronze forever.
>>255350987
i didnt want to do it but.
>>255376841
It is actually, thank you
>>255377051
>m-my game isn't easier
>y-you're just bad at it
how fucking adorable
it's not an opinion by the way, it's fact, brood war is somewhat comparable to quake in terms of skill, but sc2? the heavily casualized baby version? lmao nope sorry bud
>>255377195
Yep one uses wasd and a mouse to aim the other uses about 20 hot keys you have to learn, you also have to be incredibly good at macro
Your call of duty with less guns is amazing
>>255377298
You can't retort with anything so you say something is adorable. That's pretty funny. Like I said, you couldn't get out of bronze even if I gave you the money you paid for the game if you got to even gold. It is an opinion you fucking retard, how can what you said be a fact? Everything we are fucking saying is an opinion. There's no fact behind quake being heavily skill based, neither is there proof nor was brood war a harder version of SC2, having played both extensively for a long time I can say you probably rarely played both. You probably lost all the time and raged blaming it on "cookie cutter builds" so you went to a place where you could just press WASD and left click to win
May you all please stop shitting on each other?
Fighting > RTS > MOBA > Tactical FPS > Arena FPS
This is objective fact
>>255377779
>neither is there proof nor was brood war a harder version of SC2
HAHAHAHAH
SC2 has an objectively lower skill cap than BW for a plethora of reasons, just like SC2 is objectively easier than QL.
>HURR YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T EVEN GET TO 1500 DUEL ELO IN QL
>>255377568
>less guns
Oh, he's never even played it, lol
>>255377568
>pressing buttons is harder than precise mouse movement
Can you teach me how to be this delusional?
>>255350987
That's more of a list of skill thresholds rather than ceilings. Platformers can absolutely allow for insanely precise skillful play.
>>255353309
Perfect
>>255350987
Fuck off retard.
>Implying Video Games take skill
>>255375457
Damn, that is a lot of strategy
i agree, but rhythm games should be at hardcore tier.
if you dont agree, you clearly have never played a rhythm game. And no, vocaloid cancer and rhythm heaven dont count.
>>255383018
>Guitar Hero
>Requiring Skill
Most competative video game genres require huge convetions runned by developers and huge corporations in order for the communty to be alive.
Up until recently, the FGC has been going strong for over 2 decades without the help of devs or big corporations
>>255384039
>what is Jordan
>>255350987
>Puzzle games
>need some skill
Kek
Does Dance Dance revolution count as a rhythm game?
>>255387769
No you fucking faggot.
>>255350987
Platformers should be pushed up to at least "need some skill", though you can get pretty into it with those.
City builders need to be up in hardcore. You have no fucking idea, anon.
>>255384039
>guitar hero
>>255384039
play real rhythm games faggot
youtube.com/watch?v=6ZCZh6ut8mg
it took at least 7 years to reach overjoy in bms
>>255350987
Move fighting games to "Need some skill" tier and it's about right.
>Implying a fighting game is even CLOSE to an rts
>>255365732
>>255350987
>Start getting muscle spasms after my sixth reaction test
What is this? Is this why I always miss my rails? How to have good reaction without drawing your nerves too tight?
