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Are there any devs left that don't pander to retarded people?
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Are there any devs left that don't pander to retarded people?
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Yeah.
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Why is that bad, op?
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>>254849932
the second UI is optional

the top one is the default in the game
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>>254849932
The dude is literally fucking crippled. Why are you shitting on him because he wants to play the game?
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That is nothing less than fantastic, and if you are upset by them adding in another GUI option for accessibility you should kill yourself in the most painful and embarrassing way possible.
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>>254849932
Clearly there are, since you're not currently playing anything
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Wow, that's sweet of them. Hoepfully guy wasn't joking about being disabled, because I'd assume he was.
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>>254851025
Because /v/ has spent so much time raging at SJWs that some people now lose it when any sort of minority is being "pandered" to even if there is no negative consequence what so ever
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>>254849932
ITT: OP tries to be edgy
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As long as they pander to the physically handicapped and not to the mentally handicapped I don't see why it should bother anyone?
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kill yourself OP.
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>>254849932
It's not pandering. It's offering more options.
That's like saying LoL is pandering for having a colorblind mode
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>>254851379
>Not understanding the difference between a social justice warrior and a guy who wants to play a video game
I hope this distinction is as clear to everyone else as it is to me.
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>>254851379
>SJWs
Gays , Niggs and other "Minoritys" are just assholes with low steem, crippled guys don't have any options. Also I call this thread bait.
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>>254851437
It isn't even pandering though, because it's a legitimate accessibility issue that is easily alleviated, like colorblind mode.

Pandering would be if they filled the game with physically disabled characters for no good reason.
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>>254849932
holy shit, awesome devs
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>>254849932
Changing characters and tailoring the story to appeal to obnoxious vocal minorities: shit pandering

Adding an option to make your game more enjoyable for genuinely disabled people eager to play it: heartwarming and good

Stop being edgy, OP.
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>>254851769
you can't choose not to be black
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>>254851379
You do realize that there is a difference between adding in an option so that someone who physically can't play the game, but wants to, can play, and with pandering to those that want to push their own agenda into the game and use it as propaganda?
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>>254852097
Yes, why do you think I put pandering in quotes, OP is the one that can't tell the difference
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>>254851379
Did you just compare and try to draw and equivalence between an actually crippled person and SJWs?

What the fuck is wrong with you, that's not even in the same galaxy as logical or sane!
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i hate anti-sjw and /pol/ because all they do is complain as much as SJWs. shut the fuck up
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>>254851747
im pretty sure the OP was making a joke
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>>254849932
>Are there any devs left that don't pander to retarded people?

Op you are a fucking moron.
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>>254852064
You can choose your kids not to be black. Responsibility.
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>>254849932
neo-/v/
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>>254852426
>wanting the disabled playing vidya
If they wanted to play video games they shouldn't have gotten crippled.
Stop enabling disabled people and encourage them to take some fucking responsibility
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>>254852261
i consider all SJWs me tally handicapped
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>people taking op seriously
>people pretending to take op seriously
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>adding accessibility options
That's it. That's the last straw. Gaming needs to be purged from the ground up. A final solution is required.
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>>254849932

That is... Awesome.

Fuck you, OP.
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>>254852808
Take care of the sadpanda situation first, chaplin
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>>254852918
>>>/reddit/
Adding accessibility options like that just lets casuals like that crippled retard play games
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>>254853097
>>254852640
stop it
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>>254849932
>ARE THERE ANY DEVS OUT THERE THAT LISTEN TO THE CONSUMER? IM FUCKING TIRED OF HAVING A VOICE
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>>254853097
Next they'll let retards post on /v/
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>>254852640
lol topkek *tips fedora* greetings fellow equestrinaut

fucking faggot

0/10

gb2 gaia online or reddit or wherever you tiny brained anal sewage pipe leaked your dumb ass out from

reverse trolling and ironic shitposting is why all posts are 0/10 shitposts

summer in full force oh JESUS CHRIST its lion get in the van
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>yfw this is successful reverse marketing
>yfw OP is probably collecting his paycheck right now
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>>254853469
Do you really think someone would do that? Go on /v/ and post senseless posts?
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>>254849932
>getting trolled this hard
Should I ask EA to be more cripple friendly in dawngate?
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>>254849932
>dev is incredibly nice to someone who has no right to exist, goes above and beyond just for him
>guy then begs for a demo

what a cunt.
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Anybody have a screencap of that one posts on the Thi4f forums, where the guy was complaining about see-through-walls-vision, and then one of the mods replied making up this bullshit story about how his deaf friend wouldn't be able to play without it and calling the OP insensitive?
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>>254853097
yeah represent the glorious master race of pizza pockets and mountain dewrito consuming invalids that is so much superior to someone with a disability they never asked for

your beta male acne riddled antisocial personality disorder having ugly self was never choice

you never chose to be unhealthy or a complete asshat

god just made you that way because the public schools told you you were a special flower/snowflake
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>>254851725
If you can't see colors you can't play, stop being a little bitch and find a more casual game.
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>>254853848
>if you can't be a faggot and post terrible non-posts in every thread on /v/ you should go to a more casual board, like gamefaqs
Yeah, I agree, turdlord.
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>>254853679
Yes, because implementing something that the old games have is trolling. I remember these arrows and I'm kinda surprised he didn't put them in by default.
inb4 no one gets nostalgia bombed by this.
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>>254853840
0/10
you gotta be more subtle with your tumblr bait
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>>254854214
Fuck off, nigger. You're just looking for a handout aren't you?
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>>254854047
They can't be jet fighter pilots in the airforce either. Should the airforce start putting some sort of colorblind mode into their jets?
Nope, the color blind people should get over that they are "different" than others. Kinda like queers or transgenders.
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Take a moment right now and consider you lose one of your arms.
Can you still play your favourite vidya?
How much of your backlog is now unplayable?
Would you be satisfied watching someone play a game you like and not be good enough?
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>>254851379
Or we are being rused by reverse-psychology viraling.
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>>254849932

thats really fuckin cool
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>>254849932

When is the sequel coming out?
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>>254854613
>not jerking off while playing video games anyway
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>>254851379
>Comparing the challenges of a man who needs to use his breath to play vidya to people who claim to be raped when someone looks at them

>Taking OP seriously
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>>254854613
I lose one of my arms and I'll just kill myself. Can't work as a programmer and my country has absolutely miserable welfare system.
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>>254854579
>letting color blind people play video games is like letting them fly fighter jets
That's a pretty big leap from changing a game's color scheme to lowering the bar for flying combat aircraft
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>>254854579
I totally agree that video games are so not serious as to never be compared to the airforce. You are a faggot who believes playing a faggoty RPG requires the same skills as being an elite pilot in a real life military.

Eat shit, communist, lazy comrade shitbag.
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>>254852272
> I want to suck Carolyns feminine dick
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Lmao good sliding post OP
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>>254854897
Don't count yourself out so fast. It won't be easy, but you will adapt.
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>>254854579
The Air Force isn't a video game. It isn't safe for someone who is color blind to operate a billion dollar jet and that can't be changed, it is misfortune but unpreventable. Devs making the game accessible to disabled gamers isn't the same thing at all.
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>>254849932
>Optional UI
>Potentially helps expand the player base to people who wouldnt be able to play otherwise, even if its only a hand full, still people.
>even if its ust personal prefrence
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW IS THERE A DEV WHO DOESNT FUCKING CATER TO THIS AUTISTIC HANDYCAPED ASSNIGGER FAGGOT RETARDS WTF
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>>254852272
>waaaaah I hate people who complain
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>>254849932
>bitching about optional content

you're just as bad as the sjw's anon. which means you should probably kill yourself, sooo... yeah.
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>>254855213
Who are you to say what's safe?
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>>254853786
I thought that was a cuntish too. I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He was probably just making a autistic joke.
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>>254855213
It's a slippery slope you moron. Today they change the video games, tomorrow blind people are flying fighter jets.
It's fucking habbening
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>>254855143
Actually, you're right. If I'm worth my salt anyways, I'll keep my job. And one day I'd get AUGMENTED.
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>>254855061
Only /pol/ retards and creepy fuckers on /v/ actually know or care about that bitch, let alone vidya journalism.

Who the fuck goes to any "video game" periodical for reviews? Do you believe this shit yourself, or do you truly believe that /v/ is full of tumblr and newfags from real life?
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>>254855213
Hes obviously not the one who stopping colorblind people from flying jets, you fucking dingleberry.
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>>254855213
>>254854579
Actually, color blind people can see camouflaged things better than us regular seeing folks.
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>>254855410
In general good programers aren't limited by their WPM. Unless you are the rain man and you code at 120WPM, most of programing IMO is the thought process behind the code rather than the typing it into the program.
Another type of 1 handed keyboard pic related.
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Holy fuck this section is disgusting.

It need to be closed down permanently and all video game discussion relegated to /vg/ in the respective game generals. Any trolling should be met with immediate permanent ban there.

Man, if I was made a moderator, I would undoubtedly ban about 1,000 people a day on average. This place needs a purge.
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>>254853786
He wanted a preview shot of what the interface looked like.
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>>254852249
I have a feeling OP just used an unrelated file.

Look, it's called "awww". It really was a touching story.
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>>254855658
You might want to go to a hug box like reddit instead of 4chan. This isn't the place for you. On reddit if you posted this you would get 1000 up votes and 500 people pledging to buy the next game this guy releases. Here were going to argue about why wasting time on this disabled guy.
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>>254853840
>your beta male acne riddled antisocial personality disorder having ugly self was never choice
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>>254855658
I think reddit or tumblr would be a better place for you.
They provide accommodations for thin skinned faggots like you
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I remember when I was playing God of War 2 (I'm colorblind), and had to do that puzzle with the chariots. Had to ask online how to solve it.
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>>254855915
Don't speak for me.
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>>254855915
Are you actually proud of that?
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>>254849932
what game is this?
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>>254855993
Fucking kill yourself invalid
You have no right to exist
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>>254855993
I was watching a quick look for a hunting game, and the guy playing it was red/green color blind. The problem was that the "tracking icons" were red paw's in green grass. So he had to have people guide him to the paw prints for every one.
>>254856048
Yes, there's somewhere we can discuss things that you don't like on the internet. If you want to discuss those normal things go hang out there.
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>People thinking OP is genuinely serious

Holy shit. Is 'trolling' a new concept to you?

>>254856150
Grimrock
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Oh shit I was not ready for this feel today.

>this could happen to you at any moment of your life
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>>254856150
Legend of Grimrock
>>254856163
>invalid
my fucking sides. fucking russian. it's called 'disabled'
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So basically OP is a gigantic fucking worthless idiot who tries so hard to be edgy that he ends up shitting on one of the few developers on whom no one should shit? Cool. He'll fit right in.
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>>254855915
>>254855930

4chan IS A HUGBOX you fucking retards.

How do you not understand this is beyond me. It just houses a different type of degenerate.
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>>254856409
>it's called 'disabled'
maybe for sjw scum like yourself
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>>254856409
is it any good?
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>>254856528
I think you mean an echo chamber?
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>>254856150
Legend of Spoonfeeding
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>>254856552
Great atmosphere, great puzzles, meh realtime combat. Some nice "survival" feeling. Get it.
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>>254855458
No but I do believe the industry is more inclined to pandering to social justice causes for the sake of quick profit (without qualitt) and deflection of legitimate criticism.

SJW should be treated like Jack Thomas was, ignored and forgotten. Instead video game companys and journalists are slow bending over backwards for them.
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>>254856604

No, it's a hugbox you idiot. It's just another side of the same coin that Tumblr/Reddit is on.

If you haven't realized this by now, you are part of the cancer.
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>>254856528
4chan is an echo chamber. A hugbox is where no one wants to offend anyone and dissenting opinions are shot down immediately.
Dumb ass

>>254856552
Fuck no. Shitty SJW pandering garbage
It's not even worth pirating
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>>254856552
no it has fucking scary huge spiders and skellingtons.
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>>254856528
I dont know of many hugboxs that are built around tearing everyone a new asshole

And I rarely see this place ever have an actually universal anything when it comes to standpoints.
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>>254856717

Wait thats not a couch?
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>>254856757
You are a fucking retard, stop using hugbox like you know what it means.
inb4 you le trolled me.
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>>254852064
you can choose not to be a nigger
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>>254856275
>Yes, there's somewhere we can discuss things that you don't like on the internet.
You can discuss whatever you like, this just seems like a huge waste of time to get upset about, even more so than the things that /v/ regularly gets upset about. And it's so pointlessly antagonistic. Did a colourblind person stick something in your bum when you were a boy or something?
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>>254856923
Nope. Do a triple take and witness the horror.
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>>254856923
It's America
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>>254856792

>no one wants to offend anyone

Yeah, no. Nice made up definition, dipshit. But you're right on the fact that dissenting opinions are shot down immediately.

Why the fuck do you think the shill/marketing garbage happens? Because idiots on here cannot handle a different opinion.

Why do you think shit taste meme happens? Same thing.

People aren't "hardcore" on 4chan, you fucking idiot. It's still a hugbox no matter what you think.
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>>254851379
nope, op is just an idiot
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>>254856552
Ask another thread, please.
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>>254856949

>hurr I have no argument
>you're a fucking r-r-retard

You're some fat neckbeard sitting in a room bought by your parents with no education, playing video games all day with no life prospects.

You're in no position to call anyone an idiot. Your retardation is awesome.
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>>254857059
He's baiting you
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>>254857179
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hugbox
You find me a better definition. inb4 you just state it her and expect me to trust it.
You seem to be the only person that doesn't agree with the urban dictionary definition.
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Why isn't this a Legend of Grimrock thread yet?
I just installed this yesterday and holy shit this is fun.

Except those spiders. Seriously: fuck those spiders and their too-often poison status.
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>>254856284
of course not... "it's a joke". yeah right...
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>>254857372
You're using a word wrong, so I'm a neck beard. LOL.
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>>254857083

How do these people survive that long?
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>>254856552
7/10
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nice thread op but hey, check out my 5
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>>254857725
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>>254857725
like this thread needed anymore shitposting
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>>254857725
Nice
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>>254857915
It's not shitposting if it's a shit thread.
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OP here

you guys are fucking retarded
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>>254858030
ironic shit posting is still shit posting.
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>>254858030
touch?
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>>254857725
Is it suffocating or being poisoned or something
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>>254856792

>4chan is a hugbox where no one wants to offend anyone

is this your first day here? the entire website is just shitflinging and calling each other racial slurs

back to reddit with you, you cockgobbling piece of shit
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>>254855061
Oh god this is an actual person? I've always thought someone had just shopped reggie's face on to some random no-name chick. What the actual fuck.
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>>254849932

I'll fuck you up, m8
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>>254857428

>cites urbandictionary as a source

If you had any credibility left, you just lost it. What a moron.
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>>254858382
Try again and actually read the post this time.
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>>254858135
But sincere shitposting in this thread is justice.
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>>254857491
I hope you made a stone throwing minotaur
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Holy fucking shit disabled people need to either get better or just kill themselves.
Fuck these developers for pandering to them.
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>>254858528
Genetic fallacy. Try again
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>>254851109
Underrated post
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>>254849932
>petri
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>>254858382
I wouldn't even argue that it is an echo chamber because people go out of their way to disagree all day.
I would say the board that has the most of this is /o/. Someone will post about how much they like their new BMW and then everyone and there mom will tell them how they should have bought absolutely anything other than what they bought and if they claim they can't afford it they tell them to get money to get cool shit. Doesn't even matter what kinda car it is. got a new $90,000 corvette, why didn't you get a Ferrari you poor faggot.
Want to talk about mustangs? Were positing about how great miata's are now. What a shithole that place is.
But holy shit a hug box, are you kidding me? Pic related the definition I'm using.
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>>254858545

Oops, that was an important "is", wasnt it
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>>254858528
What are you citing as a source? That has 600 people that think that is the definition and approx 100 people who don't want their hugbox being called that.
Cite your definition I've listed mine.
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>>254858487
Just google Carolyn Pettit.

Listen to xer's voice. Feel your balls cringe.
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>>254858940

Oh, let me try this too.

You're an idiot. Don't try again.
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>>254858940
Wouldn't you say the source is actually kind of relevant when it's about the definition of a word?
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>>254858487
holy fuck I can't unsee it now, that's great
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>>254859021
go and kill yourself
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>>254859923
I'm unsure of which part you might be responding to that would warrant that response. Did you pick my post at random and just hit go?
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>>254859352
It would be a valid argument if he could prove why that definition is wrong and provide a better one.
Instead he dismissed it soley based on the source and didn't address the definition at all
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>>254849932
Why is a optional GUI bad?
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>>254860125
you wrote a fucking book on /v/
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>>254860449
Because instead of coding additional features us non handicapped people want to use he is wasted effort on Mr I type with my straw.
>>254860570
You might want to learn to read.
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>>254857725
what the fuck is this shit
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Holy fuck this thread went south so fast.
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>>254849932
That's pretty neat. Top notch devs.
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>>254860836
Nerve gas killing a monkey.
At least that's what I've been told last time it was posted.
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>>254855061
>Carolyn
>feminine
No, not really.
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>>254860784
What feature did the game lose? How exactly did it suffer because it has an optional GUI?
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>>254857725
what a spastic
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>>254861180
A hypothetical feature that I don't know what is.
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>>254854613
>How much of your backlog is now unplayable?
The exact same amount as now - 100%.
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>>254861180
I have to waste more disk space because of this shit?
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>>254854613
Yep, I'd need to learn to use all the buttons on my mouse, but assuming I lose my left arm I can still play league of legends.
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>>254851769
Still can't play certain games properly because i have one arm ;_;
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>>254860836
the monkey was fine after that
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>>254856923
>>254856717
Oh fuck I can't stop laughing!
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>>254854613
I already play vidya with one arm, come at me
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>>254861770
i dont believe that
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>>254861545
Did he use id tier megatextures for it or something?
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ITT's OP: Poe's Law
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>>254861942
it's from an old tv series and just a clever ruse

the monkey was fine
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>>254862843
prove it
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>>254849932

Hating on crippled people? why the fuck? Even the dude is humble about it.
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>>254852640

Just kill yourself. Really you would be doing the world a favor.
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>>254862905
reverse image search leads to an archived /tv/ thread if that counts for anything
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>>254851379
Clearly this thread didn't go quite how you wanted it to
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>>254862905
Don't be so obtuse, anon.

The monkey was fine. It just got a load of carbon dioxide to "breathe" as the room was filled with it but was given oxygen right after.
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>>254862905
Andromeda Strain from 1971
Monkey breathed in carbon dioxide for the scene but was perfectly fine afterwards
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>>254858789
I made a team of minotaurs, actually. One's mace and shield, the other is axe and skull collecting. Both fighters. The third is a rogue that I plan on going into reach to hammer people from behind. and the fourth is a mage that uses earth magic.
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>im so edgy i hate cripples
>look how edgy i am
why dont you get a sleeve tattoo and listen to screamo
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>>254852064
Michael Jackson did.
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>>254864056
Well played
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>>254859021

That could be applied to 4chan. It's very rare that you'll be banned from the board (though I have been banned a couple of times), but it is a hug box in that only one form of opinion is accepted and everything else is ridiculed. Not completely a hugbox, as maybe one or two moderators will ban you.

4chan is just as bad as Reddit and Tumblr. Let's not act like 4chan is some special beacon of good taste, because it fucking isn't.
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>a disabled person asks for a feature to help them play
>dev does it, presumably without any difficulty
>some people are mad for some reason
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>>254864598
I was going for relatively uncensored discussion. The taste isn't really the big deal, it's that I'm not getting kicked out of a community for saying nigger, or telling someone to kill themselves when they say something stupuid. You can say that 4chan has a style all of it's own, just like reddit and tumbler do and I would agree. I'm simply saying I prefer the less "moderated" discussions we can have here compared to on say reddit.
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>>254856792
Tumblr/Reddit = where no one wants to offend anyone and dissenting opinions are shot down immediately.

4chan = where everyone wants to offend anyone and dissenting opinions are shot down immediately.
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>>254867510
Riddly is getting into smash brothers.
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>>254866382
s to the auce
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>>254866382

>found:0

I am going to miss this little script. RIP Sad panda.
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>>254868212
>>254868240

>>>/d/5590502
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>>254849932
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>>254856792
>shitty sjw pandering
where?
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>>254856552
yeah, great puzzles, nice feel, meh combat
it's the puzzles you're there for. You might want to use a guide for some parts
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>>254868281
>>254866382
A bloody good read.
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>>254849932

>ITT: Fan pandering done right

based devs
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these devs seem to be pretty bro-tier. can't wait for the sequel
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>>254867995
I don't own a nintendo console so i can't give a shit
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>>254868281

Those censorship bars are bigger than the character themselves.
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OP is obviously using reverse psychology and baiting for praise
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>>254851369

I dont think many people would joke about being paralyzed and using a mouth stick
Its not normally the first thing that comes to mind, and its still kinda out there, even for edgelords
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this is brilliant, kill yourself OP
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>>254849932
You're a real edgelord if you think this is bad.
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>>254849932
I'd rather have devs pander to the disabled than Tumblrtards, at least the disabled play the god damn game.
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>>254849932
Tarn Adams
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>>254852745
Thats an insult to all the handicapped, they are not nearly that challenged.
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>>254849932
Helping someone != SJW
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>>254849932
That's pretty cool.
Eat shit, OP. Getting born with a defect or losing a limb in an accident is not a choice but something you can't control, unlike making up nonexistent nonbinary genders to make yourself feel unique.
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>>254856284
> BUT I WAS PRETENDING
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>>254849932
Ayn Rand plz go.
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>>254851379
You're a fucking moron, OP.
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Good job OP.
10/10.
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>>254869086
It actually is brilliant. Most intelligent thread of the day
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>>254849932
He sounds like a developer who actually cares about games and the players, good on him. Fuck you OP.
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>>254853787

I wouldn't mind if a dev made a stealth game deaf-friendly with optional arrows that indicated intensity and direction of noise. Either visually or audibly, the player still gets the same information
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>>254870771

I don't see how anyone can mind about anything that's entirely optional, especially in solo games.
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Fuck this bait.

Grimrock 2 when? I haven't heard jack shit about it for years.
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>>254854613
Don't even want to think about that. I'm alredy depressed as fuck and having to quit my csgo team would probably drive me to suicide
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>>254871021

Sometimes if it makes the game radically easier, the game becomes balanced around that instead of the default. See Hitman Absolution.
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>>254854613
I wish I loved vidya as much as you guys, I'd probably just move on.
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>>254871147
It's not coming
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>>254854613

I WOULD GIVE SHEKELS TO THOSE CHUCKLEFUCKS AT RAZR AND GET ONE OF THOSE FUNCKY MMO MOUSES WITH A BILLION MAPPABLE BUTTONS

OR PLAY PRIMARILY TURN BASED STRATEGY AND JRPGS

THE DAY I STOP PLAYING VIDEOGAMES IS THE DAY THEY BURY MY CORPSE IN THE COLD GROUND
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>>254870771
Mark of the Ninja was kinda all right
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I can't wait for this thread to be screencapped and posted on tumblr/reddit to be used as anti-4chan material when it's just OP being retarded.
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>>254851870
Wat games got that.mode?
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>>254872654

Puzzle quest turns yellow gems purple so they don't look so much like green ones.
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>>254870771
XIII had footsteps appear as "tap tap" through the walls, in line with its comic book style. More precise than just a direction.
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>>254872654
http://www.giantbomb.com/color-blind-assist/3015-7101/games/
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>>254849932
thats... thats like the nicest fucking developer on earth.

excuse me /v/, i think its raining
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>>254871147
Check the website. Last update wasn't too long ago, no release date scheduled yet.
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>>254849932
Dude, he didn't do this due to ablism, or tumblr calling him out, or anything like that.

A paying customer said he would have preferred a more comfortable control scheme, since he could only control the game with his fucking mouth, but was more than willing to try to try to play the game as it was, and the dev then changed it to make it more comfortable.

I would think the difference between this, and the shit /v/ complains a bit would be night and day.

This customer was willing to suck it up, and put himself under physical discomfort anyways. Regardless of the outcome he was going to play the game. Compare this to someone who isn't even going to play a game anyway, complaining shorts are too short, or what not.
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>>254849932
I like how he just knocks out the change in a few hours. Nice work.
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>>254873475
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>>254870771
mgs 4 has that noise ring around you, i think peacewalker has it too
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>>254853786
What shitty idea did you regurgitate on the forums that was promptly declined? Stop replying in your own thread like this, you seem desperate.
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>>254855609
It has nothing to do with camouflage and everything to do with the color of instruments, indicators, and signal lights etc.
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