>http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/22/areal-kickstarter-suspended-two-days-after-hitting-its-goal/
>Mythic
>Yogventures
>probably a shitload of others too
>now this
How many times do people have to get scammed for them to wake up?
Well, people still think each new cod and battlefield will be new and different from the rest, so never.
>>254489997
They can't. They'll continue backing them no matter what.
>The spike followed the receipt of a letter purportedly from Russian President Vladimir Putin
people are so fucking gullible it's unreal.
God damn yogventures was such a fucking disgrace. People defended it on the youtube video too. I mean holy shit I could make in a day what took them two years. Not even kidding.
>>254489997
>Set a goal that will get you a good amount of money but which is low enough you're almost guaranteed to hit it.
>Get as much money as you can from other people.
>Use a bit of your own money if necessary to ensure that you go over.
>Take the money and run.
>>254489997
I actually like this. I want this to happen all the time. It's just so much fun seeing retards acting retarded and then getting angry at sometheing their very own retardation has brought them.
>>254490694
It's an urge to say you're full of shit. But you know what?
You're right.
>>254490694
It was a scam since the beginning.
Why does this make me so mad?
>>254490404
kill me
>>254490676
>>The spike followed the receipt of a letter purportedly from Russian President Vladimir Putin
This HAS to be a fucking joke right?
>>254491079
I don't know anymore, anon.
>>254490676
>>254491079
>funding tapered off to its previous level almost immediately after Areal hit its goal
They funded it themselves to get the real backers money. Common scam practice. Ouya did this, too.
>>254491003
Because we didn't think of it first.
why do you care? let idiots get scammed. eventually the site will come under pressure to make changes and the scamming will stop. but even if it doesn't, let these idiots learn their lesson the hard way.
shit, I don't know why /v/ would even be against this. I know a lot of you broke faggots know how to make flash games or some easy shit. you should jump on the scamwagon while you can and get paid.
>>254490694
>People defended it
>>254490881
This is exactly what happened.
>>254491219
bingo
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1577656602/areal
>dat kickstarter video
is this parody?
>>254491185
Why is it allowed?
>>254489997
Another failed Kickstarter game? Alright! This'll make sure the world of EA and big publisher style development stays unchallenged. Because gaming is so great under them.
...Seriously, why are you cheering this?
>>254491879
Chris Roberts pls go.
>>254491843
It's in a grey area of the law. Simple as that.
>>254491879
>indie cannot exist as long as there are big publishers
>>254490694
>I mean holy shit I could make in a day what took them two years. Not even kidding.
Then do it.
Do it and make money off idiots.
>>254491879
>surely one piece of shit can't exist without another piece of shit
>>254491879
>Cheering
>Implying anyone is cheering this
>>254492039
It's not a grey area. There's almost certainly a clause against it in the kickstarter terms
>>254492168
That's probably why kickstarter shut it down.
Why should I give a fuck about those obvious scams and not back good ks like DOS?
Because publishers have their cocks down your throat and deep inside your boypvssy?
>>254490902
Plenty of people on /v/ spend hundreds on kickstarter games though
>>254492105
But anonI already am
At least we got Armikrog and Eternity.
>>254492280
Oh no.
>>254489997
Who cares? Everyone with half a brain knows the risk of getting nothing in return for backing a project is high.
Do you get assmad each time an old senile lady buys worthless shit over teleshopping or people joining religious cults which suck them dry?
Wait is it legal to do a kickstarter, not complete the goals and not offer refunds
Hey guys Im about to kickstarter this new MMO idea, it has a map 50,000 times the size of earth and its fully populated with the worlds most advanced AI. Its like DayZ but with crysis level graphics. I have no experience at all but give me $50,000 and I'll give it a shot and if I fail oh well
>>254491772
What the fuck. These fags have nothing to do with STALKER.
>>254492507
>is it legal to do a kickstarter, not complete the goals and not offer refunds
no.
If you offer rewards, you have to deliver or give full refunds.
>>254492459
Plenty of tards round here care about how others spend their money while they themselves buy shit like skyrim CEs and ps4s
>>254492353
And shovel knight.
Risk of Rain
FTL
Conquistadors
Even broken age isn't bad, just really mismanaged
>>254490308
No they don't. They buy the new one because they want to play the same game for another year but with minor tweaks.
Nobody buys CoD or Battlefield because they want something new, that's fucking stupid.
>>254492653
And never ever
>>254492615
But what about yogventures?
>>254492653
>>254492353
And Divinity Original Sin
Here's how to use Kickstarter
1) Don't back obscure indie devs you've never heard of
2) Only back experienced developers that want to be unshackled from publishers
>>254492280
I know, its horriblebecause I'm one of themthough I must say I am really enjoying the Scam Citizen dogfight module
>>254492280
You can tell the difference between a scam and a legit project pretty easily.
And only a moron would say there's no difference.
>>254492615
not true
>>254492793
We're on /v/
>People will drop $64K on a concept
>but will only drop half that on further development of a free and open-source game they can already play _right now_.
0ad is too good for these fuckers.
>>254492726
>yogscast audience is too gullible and retarded to sue
>kickstarter was run by a now bankrupt company, so they can't give any refunds
>would have to make complicated lawsuit proving that the owner of the LLC acted irresposibly or something
>>254492720
>IGN
toppest of keks they probably got 25% of the kikestarter money for that review and you know it
>>254492820
>Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
yogscast apologist pls go and learn to read
>>254491772
>Eugene Kim
>http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eugene-kim/b/52b/990
Let's see here.
>Trickster Online
Ohhhhhhhh boy.
>>254492858
>>254492793
/v/ - Intelligent and Educated People (Genuinly NOT Neckbeard NEETS)
>>254492886
How much did they get?
http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/2014/07/14/recipe-divinity-original-sin-humor-combat-audacity/
>>254492879
Im sure I can think of a way around this to make my zombie super MMO a (not) success
>>254492951
>he thinks that little message has any legal backing whatsoever
EVERY backing is a donation 100%
It's up to the project creator to choose whether they want to be decent human beings and actually give you what you DONATED towards or not.
The law is very clear on it.
source: Me, I'm a law graduate.
Sometimes I dream of doing this.
-Investing some time and money into a decent looking initial video.
-Setting a goal of around $100,000.
-Once it's gotten to around $50,000 I donate the rest myself (I currently have about $60,000 in a bank account).
-I close the project.
Would you guys resent my actions or admire my abuse of gullible idiots?
only kickstarter I bought into was project phoenix, for 20 bananas
>>254492726
What they did is they made a fake game company, winterkewl games, and when that company when to shit and became bankrupt, yogscast back up and said, oh no we weren't behind the kickstarter winterkewl was, we just gave them our IPs and just advertised it, but we weren't behind it so we don't have to refund you jack shit. They run off with the money, winterkewl has no money to pay back the backers, and to make themselves look good they just give a game so they don't look like the bad guy. It's a good scam, I'll give it to them, the jewed people out of their shekels really well.
>>254492971
Neckbeard NEETs are better at cynicism and spotting bullshit
>>254493083
no; you would probably be promoted as a good person who really tried hard and shouldn't be criticized
>>254492793
and only a moron would pay money for something that is yet to exist
>>254492886
Nah. I don't think any big site got pre-release review copies of the game, so they only had to check what the public opinion on the game is and pander to that. They still need to keep up their facade of journalism.
>>254493091
I'll just do that then!
But seriously was I was joking about doing is actually what yogventures essentially is, especially since the team had no experience
>>254493075
>that little message
It's part of the contract project owners agree to when they start a project. The word donation is never even fucking mentioned by kickstarter.
>>254493262
>implying the team existed
The reason they had no experience is because they never existed.
>>254493343
Im pretty sure they existed, but they were the cheapest guys they could find. I mean, they did bring out alpha's
>>254489997
You forgot Mighty No. 9 with the old bait and switch scam.
>>254492739
I really hope more people think like you.
Kickstarters and alpha funding models are the only way we can get free of big publishers that think only about money and make games only to cater to casual filth.
>fund a game that you like
>it caters to its funders and its funders only
BUT NO, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO GET SCAMMERS THERE TOO. It's like WE CAN'T have nice things. AT least, the last Divinity & FTL came out well, and there's still hope PoE and Wasteland 2. Also Underrail uses an alpha funding model and it's coming out well.
We can only hope.
Are there any others kickstarters that came out well? Or other we can still hype for?
>>254493279
haha you're so right my videogame loving brother!
i can remember all of those kickstarter campaigns where the money was given to the project starters and they took it and ran haha but fear not! they all paid it back because le law sez so :ooooo
>>254493471
They used some money to pay some dude to develop a shitty game, so it looked like they did have some content so they can get more shekels from backers.
>Paying for Kickstarter
>Paying for Early Access
>Paying for DLC
>Paying for Micro-transactions
>>254492739
Im not sure thats really fair though. Surely the idea is to give the little guys a shot. You just need to be careful. See what they already have and why they need money
>>254492763
its autism money, isn't it?
>>254493075
Except kickstarter doesn't use the word donate. They say pledge on all of their FAQ page which has another conotation entirely since donating means you give up all rights to said donation after it's given. This is not true of kickstarters otherwise people wouldn't be allowed to receive refunds or sue.
So what I'm saying is. You're wrong as shit and might need to go back to school.
>>254490676
>failing to meet goal, few days left
>fabricate putin letter
>create fake accounts and dump $10k+ per account, pushing you over 15k passed the goal
>create even more accounts to spam 10k+ comments so any other comments about it being a scam are flooded out
nobody was gullible at that point, they just went batshit insane in terms of using every fucking trick in the book no matter how obvious
>kicktraq shows massive jumps in money, even on days with negative backers joining
>>254493690
Boy, I bet people who donated to DOS KS feel so mad about your reaction pic and greentext
fffuuuuuuuuuu- :DD
>>254493083
As long as you add in the project somewhere that it endorses LGBTQ and/or more female presence in games then you will be lauded as one of the saviors of vidya and you can literally do no wrong. It will also net you an instant 100.000 dollar increase.
>>254493731
this doesn't mean shit. Once they have your money, they aren't in any way obligated to do anything with it. They could snort it for all we care.
>>254493194
You do know like 90% of /v/ preorders games on a regular basis right?
That percentage is even higher if you take into account Witcher 3.
>>254493656
>>254493731
>>254493850
>https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use
>Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
WHY WON'T IT READ
>>254493554
Shadowrun returns wasn't 10/10 goty material, but it gave the backers what they promised and was a good game
I really wish the mount and blade devs would turn to crowdfunding and hire some more people
>>254492720
>Diablo 3 anywhere near the same game style as D:OS
>bu..but it'll come to consoles right! consoles are the best!
>>254493091
>>254493343
>>254493687
Is this the perfect scam?
>>254493928
That's an interesting number. Can you show me the statistical report?
>>254489997
>Mythic
elaborate, I need something juicy to read
>>254494014
They're console creatures. If it's isometric it's diablo.
>>254492507
>>254492625
>>254492691
>>254492720
>>254492736
>>254492763
>>254492793
>>254492820
>>254492858
>>254492886
>>254492653
>>254492615
>>254492459
>>254492249
>>254492108
>>254491879
>>254491219
>>254491023
>>254490902
>>254490694
>>254490308
>>254489997
Everyone in the thread is an idiot. I couldn't even be bothered to link everyone.
Kick starter suspended the campaign BECAUSE it was shady. Did anyone even read the article?
>>254493791
>divinity shit everywhere on /v/ lately
And they say marketing shills on 4chan isn't a thing
>>254494005
Yeah, too bad Shadowrun returns didn't end up so well.
What about bannerlord? How is development goin'?
Know anything about it?
>>254493850
They actually are.
>>254493727
No actually it's "I work hard and have a job" money
>>254493731
Pledge is the exact same as donation. in both cases you give the money to someone for nothing in return.
>>254494037
Of course not, but it was a good one. No scam is perfect.
>>254494104
Because there were millions of people telling them to do something about it. Don't fucking sit there and act like the admins did it out of the kindness of their heart you brainless fuckwit. Weeks of reporting and bitching before those faggots do anything.
But that's okay OP, they're now raising funding directly through their website so they can cut down on the red tape!
This cracks me up, silly STALKER fanboys
>>254493928
But those games exist, just not released. A Kickstarter is a bigger "leap of faith", as it were.
And you should never put faith in someone who wants your money.
>>254494146
They also say your mum takes 5 bucks per blow but we both know she free.
>>254494104
We know that, dumbass, it just proves that idiots will donate to anything on kickstarter even if it is shady, we weren't arguing that it was shady that it was suspended. Retard.
>>254493817
Oh believe me I've already thought about this angle.
I'm thinking about making a 2D side-scroller with a little girl as the main star who's lost in a dream world where nobody will recognize her as a little girl and instead call her a "thing" and shit like that.
My point will be that it's about gender identity and acceptance.
I'm genuinely considering this, but I shouldn't say any more in case I do it.
>tfw I backed Wild Season because I wanted a PC and Vita Harvest
Moon
>tfw I backed Unsung Story because I wanted a new FF tactics since it's been dead to Square
I won't get scammed... Will I?
>>254494104
Literally autism overwhelming. It's like your ponysona fused with some deviantart furfag and created a post.
>>254493497
>Pretty 2D concept screenshots
>Becomes ugly-ass 2.5D game
So glad I didn't back that.
>>254494409
You should do it it sounds like something white knights, SJWs, game journalists/gaming sites, feminists would love the fuck out of. Don't forget us when you're filthy rich anon.
>>254493928
>Preorder a game that's created by a AAA developer, proper management, whose company's reputation and well being is on the line.
>Give money to joe-blow indie developer who really think's that this would totally be a cool idea if something like this happened. It'll seriously only take $8,000 to make this game bro!
>areal
>a real
>a real game
I get it now.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
>>254494562
>AAA developer, proper management
>>254494269
>admins
Son, it was Kickstarter's legal division.
If you know anything about the processes of law in anything to do with finance or commerce you'll know that it usually takes fucking months for shit to be worked out. Doubly so for uncovering scams, which are all about fooling these systems for as long as possible so the money can be moved and accountability erased.
>>254494170
No idea about bannerlord, the past weeks have been nothing but dwarf fortress for me now that the new version is out. Didn't they show off some screenshots or something?
>>254493967
that's like putting in small print somewhere on a site that if you browse it you must give up your house and fuck yourself live on cam
It doesn't mean shit
>>254494467
dude.
projecting.
>>254489997
>giving your money to areal
anyone who gave money towards that piece of shit doesn't deserve the money anyways. As with all investments, you look at the character of the people behind it.
Without Kickstarter, I've seen some great projects get made that wouldn't have come out otherwise. Many of them I've bought into and one of them I've made myself. I can't afford to put my paycheck on hold for two years while I develop a game and if i pumped out a game in 2-3 months, I'd be accused of exploiting nostalgia because I'd have to make some shitty platformer.
I don't see the problem with Kickstarter, people who want to see the game get made buy in, lower price for buying in early. Surely it's better than tying yourself to a publisher or taking out a loan.
>>254494050
Anybody who browses /v/ for more than 2 hours a week would know. You're obviously new and should kill yourself/get out.
>>254494653
2edgy4me
>spending money on games that don't even exist yet
lol
How the fuck did I not know about Areal? Are people really being scammed by STALKER's devs?
Where the fuck is STALKER 2 then and why are they doing this shit?
>>254494684
>lol tl:dr :D
>believing that works in front of a judge
Are you literally retarded?
That argument only works if the clauses are in violation of existing law or in some cases of B2C contracts.
In B2B deals you can NEVER argue tl;dr.
>>254494684
shut the fuck up
>>254494562
It's become fairly evident that there's no such thing as a AAA developer. Everything that makes those games AAA is provided by a publishing corporation that can, in fact, do whatever they want and don't need to worry about public image because private investors are not the public and the public does not understand the system.
>>254494826
If you're spending money on a game that doesn't exist, you're doing it wrong. I only fund games that have a working prototype with a majority of the core features done. I judge based on the devs previous work and what they have so far. If I don't like it, I don't fund it. Because of this, every project I've bought into has been good.
Insurgency, Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland 2, The Repopulation (beta is really really good), Shards Online (again, really good for a prototype), Divergence Online (really good, if you like sandbox MMOs like Ultima/EVE/Star Wars Galaxies, the guy needs the money and it's looking great)
tl;dr: make an educated decision and don't just blindly click the donate button.
>>254494926
>How the fuck did I not know about Areal? Are people really being scammed by STALKER's devs?
That's the funny thing, they CLAIM to be stalker devs. It has been confirmed that they aren't
>>254494104
Are you literally retarded?
>kickstarter is succesful
>money is paid to the project starters
>they put it on their private bank accounts
>kickstarter realizes they fucked up two days after paying them
>try to get the money back
>lolno it's gone
>>254495083
kickstarter doesn't pay out that quickly
>>254494816
>>254494816
Yes, laughing at AAA devs and AAA business model is being edgy.
So young, so dumb.
>>254495070
>>254494926
>Are people really being scammed by STALKER's devs?
According to the survarium devs, the people claiming to be STALKER devs just joined GSC for a couple of months and didn't really do shit just so they could have STALKER development on their portfolio.
>>254495042
Do you even know what you're talking about? Of course there's AAA developers, how the fuck do you think that games are made?
But good job on trying to be smart brah.
>>254495201
>how the fuck do you think that games are made?
By publishers' money.
>>254493554People will disagree with me here, but I think Planetary Annihilation is shaping up okay. All that seems like it's missing is orbital units, maybe tier 2 orbital, Ai, and a Skirmish.The only thing I'm worried about is if Uber abandons it or not.
>>254494104
they suspended paid campaign. devs got the money
>>254495302
So I just throw money into a publishers wallet and a game is magically made? Gotcha.
>>254495341
No they didn't. It got suspended or else the page would say that funding has succeeded.
>>254494684
It's legally binding, nigga.
You always read the small print.
You read the entire fucking document, you study it at length. If you sign it, agree to the terms of service, etc. it is legally binding regardless of what you failed to read.
This is of course within reason. A judge or equivalent judicial body may make a ruling that something within a contract is unreasonable, though that does not mean the entire thing is invalid.
>>254495140
yeah right
>>254495201
You have no idea what publishing is, do you?
The resources used in making a triple-A game come from the publishers, who essentially own the developers as subsidiaries or hold contracts. Not in all cases in the video games industry of course, but in the case of triple-A games ALWAYS because no developer can muster 500 million dollars just for advertisement and they rarely have their own PR or legal divisions.
>>254494552
Dont believe me?http://evildeathnightmare.com/>mfw /a/ AND /k/ have both beaten the video games board to making a video game
>>254494750
>one of them I've made myself.
Was it succesful
>mfw remembering this thread http://boards.deniableplausibility.net/v/thread/249699815
So many shattered dreams.
>>254494816
>m-muh polak jews
>>254494945
>>254495026
>american legal system
>>254495154
>has an anonymous mask
>meaning he had to be here before 2008 at least
>newfag
This board is beyond saving
>>254493967
Problem is, to enforce that provision in any way, Kickstarter would have to spend money on lawyers, spend time in court, and spend forever waiting for payment that will never come ("we spent it already, don't have any way to pay it back").
The principle of not throwing good money after bad means that Kickstarter will never pursue anyone over that section, thus kickstarters are risk-free for scammers.
I'm into financial domination anyway
I'll stick back kickstarters
>>254495543
>>254495341
The page said succesful funding for TWO days. Within that timeperiode they paid out the money and the devs put it away never to be seen/claimed back again.
>>254494409
Do it before it's too late.
>>254496013
Yes it was. Promised features are in and being polished to hell currently. I really want to be the exception to the Kickstarter/Early Access image. Had some extra funding so I started work on post-release (free content) and modding support in addition to Oculus Rift integration.
Promised patches every 2 weeks, content updates every month, dedicated server tools, modding support. Not releasing early access either.
>>254495467
A publisher GIVES the money you assface
>>254489997
No-one's actually been scammed, you triple nigger. The money hasn't been collected.
>>254495574
Listen here dipshit.
A EULA is worth exactly SHIT in European courts. These devs are from Ukraine AKA EUROPE so they know kikestarter can't do shit to them.
Stick to amerikkkan law, Tyrone.
>>254496362
You don't get access to funding until the timer runs out. Then you have a processing time of about five days because of Amazon Payments in addition to all the shit Kickstarter needs to sort out. I would know, I've done this before.
>>254496449
You better give out free steam keys on /v/ when it's done
>>254496278
>By creating a fundraising campaign on Kickstarter, you as the Project Creator are offering the public the opportunity to enter into a contract with you. By backing a fundraising campaign on Kickstarter, you as the Backer accept that offer and the contract between Backer and Project Creator is formed. >Kickstarter is not a party to that agreement between the Backer and Project Creator. All dealings are solely between Users.
IT STILL WON'T READ
>mfw gave $5 to Reading Rainbow kickstarter
>mfw will never kickstart a shitty vidya
>>254495467
No, investors and other shareholders do. Money made from sales are split between investors and the publisher. Much of the publisher's money goes into keeping itself and its many subsidiaries in the green. The publisher gives the developers projects and funding, which usually comes from investors, though in-house funded projects are not uncommon. In the current vidya industry publishers cover pretty much every other aspect of business for them. Investors can influence the activities of a publisher with their ridiculous amounts of capital.
Publishers are corporations, developers are companies within that corporation with a varying degree of independence from publisher-to-publisher. Though for AAA publishers that developer independence is pretty much nothing but a name and a marginal corporate profile.
>>254496529
I'm talking about the general idea of small print, which is what this is about (>>254494684).
>>254496716
How do you know all of this
It's the responsibility of the consumer not to be a retard.
Its not too late. You can sell your PC and buy a ps4
>>254495973
...Right, so you're telling me there's developers.
>>254489997
Here's the whole story if you want it:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/06/26/areal-kickstarter-raises-huge-red-flags-backers-beware/
>>254496901
Go back to the PS4 thread, fucking shill
>>254496898
There are 7 billion consumers on earth. If only a fraction of those are retarded you can get richt.
>>254497085
Areal devs said this story was bullshit because Forbes is now Korean property and wants to attack the devs
>>254496627
Possibly, but Steam keys cost money. I can't just give them out unfortunately. You have to buy your own keys unless you're part of some pre-established contract with Valve like part of a Humble Bundle or promotion.
>>254496676
Fuck, I was just about to post that
>>254497354
>Steam keys cost money
Kikes. You can see it as PR though.
>>254496842
I assumed everyone learned the basics of this in high school social science, the rest I learned from my grandfather who left me a few agricultural storage sheds so I wouldn't just blow my inheritance on video games and anime.
It is how the vast majority of corporations are set up, publisher/developer are just names used to identify corporations/companies in media industries because their operations are slightly different than Coca-Cola or German Steel Trust or whatever.
You need to figure out this shit if you want to make money in stocks and to a lesser degree, property.
>>254497575
Gaben doesn't do shit for free. He wants 30% of a game's revenue just so he'll let people download it from his servers.
Physical distribution is almost cheaper
>>254497661
you sound like a 45 year old investment banker or something
>>254497575
Thing is though, I don't want to pay to have /v/ shit post about my game. They say terrible things about Divinity Original Sin and my game isn't nearly as good.
>>254497754
>He wants 30% of a game's revenue just so he'll let people download it from his servers.
>Physical distribution is almost cheaper
hahahHAHAAHAHahahaahAHHAHAA
ASHJDASYHDAYHSDADSJASFASDA
What the fuck am I reading
Jesus Christ
>I want to be clear that I am not criticising here. I personally believe that Yogscast have gone above and beyond any obligation to backers, legal or moral, in regards to this project.
I can smell the shills from over here.
>>254497801
I thought there was no such thing as bad publicity?
How many notable successes has Kickstarter had? Shovel Knight?
>>254497754
>Physical distribution is almost cheaper
What the fuck. Nobody is this stupid, right?
>>254497817
Poor little thing. It seems that post broke your valvedrone mind.
>>254497912
There are tons of Kickstarter successes, many of which are non-vidya.
>>254497817
The truth. Gaben earns billions selling other people's games even though digital distribution should be dirt cheap.
>>254497962
brick&mortar store owners dream of the margins steam gets. They get a smaller share of the revenue and have much higher costs.
>>254492168
>It's not a grey area. There's almost certainly a clause against it in the kickstarter terms
They put ins shit against this after several kick starters pulled off the Fund their own shit at the last minute stunt to get backers money.
OUYA did it, was one of the most visible to do it.
>>254497962
>a game on steam sells 10 million copies
>this is 600 million dollars
>steam takes 180 million dollars for doing fuck all
Anybody who would claim with a straight face that physical distribution costs more than 180 million dollars needs to be shot in the face.
>>254496040
>So many shattered dreams.
That should be Kickstarter's tagline.
>>254489997
>The spike followed the receipt of a letter purportedly from Russian President Vladimir Putin
and people believed this?
>>254498225
Just the retailer gets 25%. Then you have several other middlemen: the publisher, the distributor, whoever the fuck makes the actual physical copies. On top of that add returns.
So yes, while the B&M store's margin is lower than steam's, the overall margin for the dev is MUCH larger when doing digital distribution.
>>254498281
The game wouldn't have sold 10 million copies if it was retail only.
>>254498281
Its not the price of distribution they are paying. Its the bonus of it being sold on steam. Yes they pay 180 million to gaben but in turn they've made 300 million mmorethan they normally would have. Just by selling on steam.
>>254496679
>>mfw gave $5 to Reading Rainbow kickstarter
All those people jerking off to their own nostalgia instead of contributing to something kids would actually be interested in.
This was obviously a scam. Yogventures was obviously never going to come out but Kickstarter isnt all bad.
Blindly hating it is just as retarded as backing either of those projects.
>>254498281
>>steam takes 180 million dollars for doing fuck all
>hosting game, marketing by having it visible on the store, managing transactions for the company as a Point Of Sale system.
Look just cause you dont understand why steam gets a cut does not mean they do nothing.
Before PayPal and Shit like steam, a company trying to sell their own products would get railed on fees by banks. You were lucky to keep even 30% of your fucking profits when it came out in the wash.
The reason devs loved steam is they got to keep a lot more of their money then previously.
>>254498397
Kickstarter backers believe everything
>>254497754
The number is kept under NDA and I will not risk losing out on Steam distribution but I can say it is not 30%. They make different numbers according to the developer's financial standing and AAAs pay more than indies.
For me, it's significantly less than 30% and that's all I can say on the matter.
>>254489997
inb4 Project Eternity is next
>>254498449
Digital distribution cuts out a lot of costs, yet Gaben takes a large part of those savings for himself.
A retail store would be very lucky to get a 3-5% profit margin out of games.
Steam's profit margin is more akin to 20-25%.
>>254494084
daoc maker is making a new daoc camelot unchained. So far it looks like a good product with development as planned. would back again good stuff
I like how long it took for the kickstarter to shut people down when actual STALKER devs were saying that it was all bullshit
>>254498698
This anon is lying i'm also indie dev and i pay 35%
>>254498607
>The reason devs loved steam is they got to keep a lot more of their money then previously.
Yet Notch gives Steam the finger because he can keep a much higher share by running his own store.
Same goes for a slew of video game publishers, even small niche publishers, who all run their own stores with games being cheaper on their store than on steam
>>254498826
Answer me this:
Why would kickstarter close down a project and lose 30% of the money?
>>254498715
>>254498701
The developers are showing it off on Giant Bomb tomorrow.
Also this argument about retail being cheaper than digital is absolutely absurd. Platform holders (Sony, MS, Nintendo) take a similar cut to Steam (all take about 30%) as royalties. This is on top of retail cut, manufacturing, distribution, having to pay to for each patch etc etc.
>>254498872
That's because minecraft is popular enough on its own
There were talks early on about getting minecraft on steam
>>254489997
You wanna know what all these failed kickstarters have in common? I didn't back any of them.
Just because you get your shekels stolen from you, due to your own lack of ability to do a background check before pledging, doesn't mean that crowdfunding is damned as a whole.
>>254492739
Or do some fucking research
I've backed small time projects, nonvidya related, that I knew weren't scams.
It literally takes 10-30 minutes if a project interests you to do some checking and make sure it is legit
>>254498994
SONY AND MICROSOFT OWN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION
STEAM DOES NOT OWN PC
>>254493817
Not really. Remember that Ambrov X game that tried to cater to SJWs? They stopped receiving donations after the Helper of Hamburguer was hired as a writer.
>>254499083
What the fuck are you cunting on about.
>>254498923
So they don't get sued.
>>254498830
There's no way that's true.
>>254495083
>>254495769
Part of the reason why some devs refuse to use KS is because they don't release the money fast enough for them. If your project got funded for 500k and you need 20k for monthly expenses alone, you'd go in the red because KS won't release your shit 1 to 2 months after your project got funded.
>>254498953
>retailer gets 25%
>most of that is eaten up by employee wages, rent, insurance, etc.
>he's lucky if he can stay in the black
>steam gets 25% or more
>costs are a tiny fraction of a physical retailers cost
>earns billions
>>254499285
It isnt true. I have never heard of Valve taking more than 30%.
I'm an indie dev and gabe makes me pay 75% and also to gargle his balls twice a week.
I swear it's true.
>>254493194
Fucking this. Investors are dumb as fuck.
>>254499034
If the video game press wasn't corrupt, small indie devs wouldn't need to sell their soul to be on the steam front page for half a day.
>>254499096
Thats becuase the people backing Ambrov just wanted a good RPG.
When they bragged that they were bringing on helper, all faith was lost that it would be good and mass refunds happened.
They had billed it as having SJW leanings, but done right. You cant do it right if you bring in hamburgler.
People are underestimating how expensive it would be to run a service like Steam. The fees they take are fair and are still far better than physical retail.
>>254498698
Isn't 30% still far less than what most other publishers take a cut of? Don't other publishers take cuts for like 40, 50 and even 60 percent sometimes?
>>254499061
Pretty much my thoughts. Just do your fucking research and you'll probably be fine.
Although I did back a few games that probably won't turn out to be anything great (Echoes of Eternea, The Dead Linger and Legends of Eisenwald) they are all making steady albeit slow improvements are they were probably the riskiest kickstarters I funded.
>>254499682
publishers take a cut for funding development and paying the developers vages.
steam takes a cut for running download servers and a store front
>>254493817
>As long as you add in the project somewhere that it endorses LGBTQ and/or more female presence in games then you will be lauded as one of the saviors of vidya and you can literally do no wrong
You know why many SJW games attempts fail to get funding.
Because SJWs dont actually buy or play vidya games. Nor would they back games.
Almost all game purchases of any worth are from a 30% chuck of gamers, almost all male. Thats right, of the current undestanding of the gaming market almost all the industry is sustained by male gamers. A 30% chunck that accounts for almost 80% of purchases.
>>254499827
I agree but I have a feeling you pulled those numbers out of your ass.
>>254498698
>the humble store is the best way to support us! we get 95% of revenues as opposed to steam/gog's 70%.
>— PHIL FISH
Fez had to give 30%
ITT:
>Hateful lonely neets who have completely lost the ability to trust anyone, and believe everyone is out there to scam and trick them somehow.
A few bad Kickstarters doesn't mean the idea is somehow flawed.
>>254500221
In this post:
>someone new to the internet
>>254500309
Ironic.
>>254500028
It was from that stupid fucking survey SJWs like to cite about girl gamers being 50% of the market.
And the related surveys that found that 5% of gamers are WHALES and that even on the mobile market the ones willing to spend money tend to be males.
>>254499803
Steam has a near monopoly on digital distribution. Wadjet Eye Games said in an interview that Steam accounts for 60-80% of digital sales even though other services like it exist.
>>254499682
I don't know anything about AAA development but even if I paid 30%, I'd be making more than I would through other digital retailers. Humble Store is the only place where I make more money.
>>254500086
Phil Fish was also a millionaire by the time Fez came out so I'm sure that was a matter of how much they paid.
Steam wants new developers to make more money so Steam can make more money in the long run off future titles.
>>254499096
>They stopped receiving donations after the Helper of Hamburguer was hired as a writer.
/V/ DID THIS
>>254489997
It just works.
People are extremely, EXTREMELY retarded, they will continue to put money into this, people don't learn.
>>254500412
>/V/ DID THIS
yeah Ok. As cute as that is to pretend. Most of /v/ didnt give two shits.
>>254499426
Are valvedrones the most bitter fanbase on /v/?
>>254494767
So, no, then.
>>254499803
Valve provide a storefront, provide servers, allow free updates/patches, have to pay legal teams and insurance, customer support and a bunch of other shit and they are a business that exists to profit.
I seriously have no idea what the fucking issue is here and I barely use the service.
>>254499535
Isn't she jewish though? She could have sued every single one of those people who wanted refunds under the holocaust denial act.
>>254499535
It didn't help they mentioned her work history so people could look up how awful she was.
Wouldn't be surprised if her reputation is known everywhere now.
>>254499827
female gamers make up about 55% of total videogame players though
how do you explain that
>inb4 b-b-b-but facebook and mobile gaaaaames
>>254500568
They are just bait haters.
>>254500221
things kickstarter does to this industry:
>makes people buy games completely unseen before they are even made
>making big promises is what generates revenue. Delivering on promises optional
>retards decide over which games get a budget and which don't
>financial risk of software development taken by consumer (!)
>developer doesn't have to answer to anyone, if development doesn't go as planned
>>254499363
valve takes a 25% cut i think. That graph is for physical stores
>>254500859
I don't pay 25%. Less. First game, hardly any budget. These factor into the number.
>>254492459
>Do you get assmad each time an old senile lady buys worthless shit over teleshopping or people joining religious cults which suck them dry?
yes? because those people are preying on the feeble minded?
The takeaway from this thread is that no one on /v/ understands the games industry, at all.
>>254500568
>digitial distribution of software costs the same as running a physical store
>the whole ecommerce revolution was just a fluke
>Mount&Blade, KSP and Minecraft devs couldn't afford to run their own stores and download servers
>Gaben is the savior of video games
>>254500765
No consumer is made to do anything on kickstarter. You can decide to give money for a project you want to see if you trust the people doing it. It is your responsibility what you do with your money and it is a risk.
Honestly so many good games have already come from it I dont care if morons who back shady Russian shit or licensed youtube celebrity games lose their money.
And really, with day 1 review embargoes and other bullshit your money is thrown into a crapshoot either way if you are paying for video games.
>>254501117
>so many good games have already come from it
the list stops at about 3 and most of those games were largely funded without kickstarter.
>>254499529
Do you know how many people have steam installed and use it every day compared to how many people visit or even give a fuck about gaming sites?
>>254495083
They don't have the money you retard
>m-muh daily KS hate circlejerk!
Fuck off you are getting desperate
>>254501296
That's the point. Gaben controls the industry at this point.
>>254501267
Tunnel vision is a wonderful thing.
