fightstick thread
>hori or nothing
inb4 ps1 controller
Working on this for Qanba white/red stick
thinking on what else to add to it
>>253644458
Not sure if should add pink or red border around any of the edges or the buttons
>>253645060
the red border is the bleed area for cutting the art
Getting this made soon. What do you guys think?
>>253641816
my nigga
>>253644458
I'd move the lower right-hand corner art up just a tad, so it doesn't get covered by the screw. Aside from that, I think it looks fine as it is. Best not to make it too busy.
If you have to, I guess you could throw something up around the upper right-hand corner, again making sure that it isn't partially covered by the plexi's screw.
>>253645060
If you plan on going full hog, I'd suggest getting some mix-and-match buttons. Like, pink / red rims with your choice of plunger or so.
>>253645405
I know that
I mean the boarder around the cutting area for the actual template
>>253641968
where my modded Datel bros at
>>253645548
Conflicting design choices
>>253641968
>>253641579
I'm thinking about building one. Do I have to tear down a controller or are there PCBs that are specifically for this?
>>253646183
fuck of frenchie, incoming nerfs
>>253645671
Right, forgot about the screw
some pink sanwa buttons showl do good, might go clear or solid
I'm new to this. How would I go about applying a image to my arcade stick? Any good suggestions on which image matches mine?
>>253646431
good luck nerfing him
>stick
>>253646431
Whats really sad is this could happen. Capcom nerfing Rose even though shes only somewhat strong and most characters are weak. When are we gonna get a game where everyone is atleast somewhat strong minus like 1-2 like GG and ST?
>tfw getting a screw stuck in stick
>>253646326
>Do I have to tear down a controller or are there PCBs that are specifically for this?
You might want to look into a PS360+ or a MC Cthulhu board. The Zero Delay Arcade Encoder also works, if you just want PS3 / PC functionality.
If you're good with soldering, you can always go with padhacking.
>>253646478
If you aren't going to insert artwork into your buttons, I'd look into solids. Sanwa dark hai plungers should generally work.
>>253646861
Look for a Qanba Q4RAF template. There should be one at Art's Hobbies.
Artwork's usually applied by printing it on cardstock or whatnot, then sandwiching it between the stick and a clear plexi. The aforementioned Art's Hobbies sells the plexies and offers printing services.
>>253646861
download a template like this
http://www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/downloads/Art%20Hobbies%20Qanba%20Template.psd
then make some sort of fancy looking artwork
and then when you have that all done you can buy plexi and have them print and cut your artwork
http://www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/index.cfm?loc=products
>>253646861
Speaking of art, anyone else have problems getting it printed due to copyright bullshit? There is no privately owned print shop near me, and the FedEx place I went to wouldn't let me print. Any alternatives?
>tfw can't get waifu on arcade stick
>>253647435
any suggestions on getting it out?
>>253648124
>>253647774
people get waifu sticks printed all the time
>>253647291
>actually using a hitbox
>>253647335
she's probably really strong like outside yun/divekick characters beats everyone else.. safe ex ss (at the distance she often stands at) and great dashes either way, forward dash throw/mk is really strong
Finally got the new Seimitsu buttons in.
Just waiting waiting on the stick and the aluminium ball/dust washer.
Does anyone want some Kuro/Hayabusa parts?
>fightstick
every time after evo
keke
you nerds need to focus on the game not the controllers
didn't you learn anything from this year's evo?
Anyone tried on of these?
>>253648453
She beats or is even with every non-divekick character in the game for sure now.
I'm sure she still gets shit on extremely hard by Rufus, but people don't really play Rufus as much as they used to outside of Ricky.
>>253647435
Man I almost ruined the screws in mine originally. I had to pop it open recently to re-attach the wire to the stick and I had to use my pocket knife to carve a big enough ridge into it so I could actually unscrew it.
Fuck that shit, this is now a flightstick thread.
>>253648848
>>253648707
how much for the hayabusa?
>>253649368
>>253648707
The more i see these the more I want one.
Is it worth the $200 or should i just get something cheaper?
Quick question about custom art.
Do I need the Plexi cover thing? Or do I just need the artwork print?
>>253649749
cheaper nicest thing is the case is like perfect size
>>253641579
pls stop I can't take any more
>>253650045
I don't think there's been a single thread this hasn't been posted in.
still a nice stick though.
>>253649624
>>253650137
yes I am posting it in every thread
>>253649937
Plexi is more expensive but easier.
With plexi you can just lay it over the printed artwork, so it's super easy to change if you ever want to. the plexi also protects the artwork.
Without plexi, you need to use some kind of adhesive or print on adhesive paper. Naturally the application can be easy to fuck up, and if you ever want to change it you'll need to do a lot of work to take it all off.
>>253650137
>stick
>>253648436
i have one and i feel like i am cheating in some way. I do wonder why no one has made it at EVO with a hb
do you guys even play fighting games?
>>253650632
It's banned
>>253650743
Yeah, why?
>>253650743
yes I do good sir, may you have a good day
>>253649603
If you're willing to pay shipping I'll give it to you.
Just post a picture of the inside of your stick. i just want to make sure you have a five pin connecter.
>>253649749
The Hayabusa and Kuro parts are kinda shit, but everything other than that it's perfect. perfect weight, great size, huge plate for artwork, feels great in the lap and the touch screen is actually really convenient.
definitely worth the $250+ with parts if you can afford it.
>>253649937
generally you do. they cost about $15 so it's not to bad. you can get it Artshobbies.
They also have templates for almost every stick.
>>253648436
>>253650632
I have one and I feel like that as well. Everything is so easy to do and takes so little effort compared to a stick.
720? No butter churning for me. Just roll my fingers over all four movement buttons twice.
>>253650821
>>253650850
oh ok
carry on
>>253650743
What's a fighting game?
What's the best way to paint the Red trim thing on these sticks?
>>253645856
Right here
>>253651043
>tfw i punish everything with zangiefs ultra
>>253651506
>tfw buffer 720 from standing short
>>253645548
Honestly, I think it would be better without the chibis. Not sure how empty it would look if you did that though.
Don't judge me. It was cheap and it does its job.
>>253651176
For the bezel? Primer + your color of choice + topcoat to protect the paint
Be aware that the color of the primer will affect the shade of the final color.Or you could just buy a new bezel.
>>253650943
>i just want to make sure you have a five pin connecter.
I do, I actually am using a Hayabusa in my main stick. I prefer it to Sanwa tbh and wanted to slap one into my spare stick.
>>253651841
I'm using the same stick, I like it.
>>253651739
No way man, I need that added flare.
how hard is it to replace the art on my hori hrap kai?
I recently got a HRAP2 from a friend, got the inpin converter and it works. Now just waiting for USF4 retail to release so I can start practicing.
>>253652381
fuuuck I'm jelly bro. Old HRAPs are some of my favorites.
I've been wanting to build my own for a while, but I don't want to "build" my own case.
Is there somewhere I can pickup a housing so I can install my own buttons, wiring, and a graphic on the top?
I was interested in ordering a wooden one once, but the guy had stopped his production
>>253652470
Yeah I'm pretty happy with it, it looks amazing. It's still in pretty much new condition as well.
>>253652767
This is an option if you want a metal case: https://www.jasenscustoms.com/home.php
A lot of the old popular woodworkers quit taking orders years ago.
>>253652767
You could although the only ones I've seen are expensive. Youre almost better off just getting a used stick or something and ripping out the internals and replacing everything unless there are stick cases for cheap somewhere that I missed.
>>253651043
>>253650632
If it makes you feel any better, it used to be worse. Original HitBoxes allowed you to block both ways by hold both left and right. They fixed that now
>>253651841
Me too anon
I redid this using the pen tool so the stroke is a lot crisper
Still deciding on button colors
>>253651951
Alright, I'll email you about it when my Seimitsu stick comes in. that'll probably be sometime next week because Focusattack is shit.
>>253652381
HRAP 2 are god tier as far as I'm concerned. I've yet to find a stick that has as satisfying an echoing feedback when you press the buttons.
probably because there's just so much empty space on the inside.
>>253653770The dust washer is covering her thighs.
>>253648996
What brand are those buttons? They're a nice color.
>>253654274only if the washer isnt clear
>Get into electronics
>Want to make a fight stick for first project
Any tutorials or images made by /fgg/ that I could have?
Currently have pic related unmodded. Should I just buy some sanwa buttons or buy a better stick? Don't particularly feel like spending more than £60 on a new stick
So, if the stick itself is not mandatory, why not just use the keyboard?
It's not like fighters have more than eight directions anyway.
>>253654326
light blue Sanwa
>>253654274
cool, thanks man
>>253650045
how is this? i was thinking of one of these since i was pretty comfortable playing onkeyboardexcept for the buttons being too small
>>253655258
Buy sanwa buttons and a sanwa stick. You will be set for a decent while. If you only want to buy one, buy the buttons first since the stock buttons were the first thing that shit out on me.
Why the fuck are they so expensive jesus christ
>>253655709
you pay for what you get
>>253655357
preference
Where can you even get qanba q4
They are sold out on the main site and have bloated prices elsewhere
>>253655709
da joos
>>253653502
That was only in Marvel because Capcom was retarded and never expected anyone to be able to input both directions at the same time. And I think they ended up fixing it.
In SF4 you can abuse being able to hold up and down at the same time with charge characters. You can charge down and then press up (without depressing down) and it will register. You would be able to do the same for left and right charge if it were not for the "fix" they employed on the Hitbox because of Marvel.
>>253656062
It's just hell for a beginner. I don't want to blow a ton of money on a pad/stick so I'm stuck with a DS3 getting blisters from the d-pad
>>253655357
some things were just way to awkward on a keyboard for me
Every thread until it gives you as much of a boner as it does to me.
>>253655357
personally i enjoyed using a keyboard but the buttons are too small
>>253655357
I cant into hitbox style and keyboard buttons are way too small IMO
>>253656292
its pretty hot
>>253656087
Don't buy Qanba.
There are way better alternatives.
>>253647774
whats up with photoshop, why is it a monthly thing? it can still be torrented right?
>>253656292
I wanted this first choice
But i also wanted artwork and it just doesnt fit with that stick
>>253655709
niche product
slightly high manufacturing costs (different textiles, electronics, some hand labor)
PRECISION JAPANESE ENGINEERING
>>253655505
hitboxes in general are great
I built that in a tek case and I prefer it to the brand name ones because it has more wrist room and is lighter
Want to use this pic for my first custom artwork. I have a madcatz fighstick pro. What do you think I should do for the buttons/stick? Right now they are both black and the casing is black
>>253656192
http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Fighting-Stick-V3-Playstation-3/dp/B0057WDBHA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_vg_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=1JM0BS0Q0EM6AWQ56ZB7
There are cheap sticks out there
i want some dante and vergil art on a stick but most of the stuff i've found would be shit. help a nigga outplease
>>253656292
>>253657363
fuck that looks fucking great
Guys what's a good converter for using my psx/ps3 pad on 360?
>>253657094
I would just use grey, it will be hard to color match to that artwork without it looking weird
>>253657232
Will those work on PC?
>>253657786
Yes.
requesting template for custom artwork pls
I'm kind of interested in making my own sticks, but I know nobody really cares for wood, which would probably be the easiest way to make a custom stick.
>>253658170
You need to tell us what stick you have first.
every stick has a different template.
>>253658170
you'd need to specify which stick you have, you complete berk.
>>253658424
>>253658454i dont even have one yet i just wanted to experiment sorry lads
>>253658778
www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/index.cfm?loc=about&sub=templates
There's some Photoshop templates for most of the modern sticks.
Can you smell it?
>>253659416
How is this thing for modding?
It should be fairly simple to switch out the parts and graphic, right?
>that guy with a pimped out custom stick but is ass at fighting
>>253659521
you have to get a sticker or a decal.
>>253659521
>Parts
Very easy
>Graphic
Not easy. You need to find a place that can print out a giant sticker. It's such a hassle I just never bothered and stick with THE ROCK. I've yet to find a placethat exists in my areathat has a lamilabel.
>>253651176
>What's the best way to paint the Red trim thing on these sticks?
Vinyl dye.
>>253659680
so?
![NES-advantage[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1CvikJd.jpg "NES-advantage[1].jpg")
>tfw want to buy babbys first fightstick quanba q1 for pc and ps3
>tfw shipping, taxes and import are almost twice as expensive as the stick itself
>>253660261
britbong/eurobro?i know your pain
Are these PCBs any good? I will be using it mostly for PC.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-ZD-USB-Encoder-PS2-PS3-PC-to-Joystick-for-MAME-Arcade-Fight-Stick-Control-/171017583391
>>253659681
>>253659729
What would be a better stick to buy if I wanted to mod it?
I don't want to splash out on a custom case, or SF Pro
>>253660480
Brawl stick is perfect for part modding, just not art changes.
Just ordered a seimitsu stick today. I've wanted one for years, but everyone is constantly sold out
![164364_473069130941_707190941_6311551_4933882_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UaOdjmP.jpg "164364_473069130941_707190941_6311551_4933882_n[1].jpg")
>>253641579
All-button master race reporting in. Anyone else?
>>253650761
>It's banned
can you link the source for that?
>>253660349
bein europoor is suffering
>>253660697
It's not.
>>253660123
>Pass the controller, bro.
>>253659729
staples should be able to do it.cElseI get mine done at The Print House
>>253660928
>It's not.
can you link the source for that?
>>253660003
Worth mentioning that dye is much easier than traditional paint- just wipe the plastic clean with a wet cloth and spray. Depending on the color, you may need to do 2-3 coats. 30 minutes later, you're good to go.
No worries about wearing through the coats either as it is not simply a layer of paint on top of the plastic- it literally dyes the plastic.
>>253661462
Not him but someone asks this question every year.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/157947/is-hitbox-legal-for-all-games-people-usually-say-yes-just-making-sure
Thoughts on wireless sticks?
Do they really fuck up performance?
>>253662414
Wireless delay can be inconsistent, which is the biggest problem by far. The second biggest being many things can interfere with wireless devices, so they aren't trustworthy outside of a controlled environment
>>253662728
and most tournament environments will ban wireless controllers because fuckheads don't properly disconnect
>>253662414
Just dont do it.
>>253662414
Yes, wireless anything is usually worse. Beyond being worse overall, it causes a lot of problems at tournaments if they're used. There's a reason EVO banned PS3 pads
She may not be beautiful but shes my baby
>>253664862
clean and simple, i like it, but why did you put her under the buttons
>>253664862
Please tell me you have no local scene
>>253665028
>anime
>In my fighting games?!
>Order pic related on Monday, because it was -$50
>it didn't even leave CA until Wednesday
>Live all the way in NY
Fucking kill me.
I'm normally patient, but not for this. I want it.
Also
>PS360+ are out of stock until august
Fuck
>>253665113
I hate seeing 4chan passed around like some fucking subreddit. What are rules 1 and 2 again?
Just installed my octagonal gate on my new stick and swapped a circle one into the old one.
Feels great.
>>253665590
PS360+s are always sold out. Look into a MC Cthulhu
>>253665659
Yotsuba isn't a 4chan only thing you fucking breadcrumb
>>253665659
>he knows yotsuba? must be 4chan
>>253665659
Retarded /b/ nonsense? Perhaps you should go back.
Is there a PCB that works with PS4 and/or xbone yet? Padmod a shit.
>>253641579
Anyone know a good stick compatable with ps3/360/pc together?
>>253666376
http://www.eightarc.com/qanba-q4-white-red/
>>253666210
Not that I'm aware of. PS4 games have the potential to support PS3 sticks but it's on the developer to do that. We'll see if Arksys does it with Xrd, but I doubt it...
>>253666615
Mike Z is looking for a programmer to do it for Skullgirls
>>253666348
3/10- no place for waifu art.
>>253665659
Sup newfag
>>253666518
thanks, any pros and cons on it?
i'll keep doing research.
Is this our new FoTM memethread?
>>253667442
They were popping up before Evo, just not daily
>Want to get good at fighting games
>Play Street Fighter on and off for a month
>Don't feel like spending time on training even though I have nothing better to do
I feel like I should find a sparing partner so I don't lose motivation.
>>253667273
Never get Qanba. They're a cheap Chinese manufacture and there's a huge input delay with them.
>>253668081
what about the fusion?
>>253667886
Look on facebook or shoryuken for local meetups
>>253644458
>>253645548
Would you guys mind working on some art for my stick? I've been using the disgusting original art for sometime now.
>>253666376
eTokki Omni.
>>253666615
>PS4 games have the potential to support PS3 sticks but it's on the developer to do that
Which is kinda malarkey given that the PS3 already had generic USB support. Why not on the PS4 as well?
>>253669056
PS3 in general was surprisingly open for a Sony product. I was blown away when I plugged in my Thrustmaster gamepad from 2002 to find that it functioned perfectly.
Must have removed it from PS4 because they need dat licensing monies. At least they don't completely lock you out like XBox. Although if it's at all complicated to enable support, they might as well.
>>253669056
Because jews
>>253669056
The PS4 send an "authentication signal" every 8 minutes, and the PS3 sticks don't know how to verify it.
the PS360+ PCB can work on the PS4 now (Beta firmware) but has to be reconnected every 8 minutes.
>>253669687
>the PS360+ PCB can work on the PS4 now (Beta firmware) but has to be reconnected every 8 minutes.
wait holy shit
You could just write a routine to disconnect/reconnect at the pcb level.
>>253668276
That's just a rebranded Qanba. Just get two Hori HRAP3 of you really need to play on both systems.
How can I get custom images on fight sticks, and do I need a specific stick for that?
>>253670904
Depends on the stick, but you can generally get a clear plexi panel and just put your art under it.
>>253670904
There are links all over the thread already. Ctrl+F "tek"
>>253670975
That sounds great, thanks.
>>253670904
Most sticks worth owning can be customized with art.
www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/index.cfm?loc=about&sub=templates
There's the photoshop templates for almost every stick.
You can also buy the plexiglass from the same place if you need it.
>>253651841
is it actually gud?
Will it work if I just lay my laminated artwork over this?
>>253672564
Yes but you'll eventually wear through the laminate.
>>253672564
God damn that thing looks awful
>>253672810
As in... my palm sweat will punch through the laminated artwork?
>>253673124
eventually yes, unless you're a firehose you should be fine
>>253672564
>that nose
>>253673405
>triple jew
Just finished up a some custom art. I know it's not a fighting game but fuck you.
>>253673124
That and friction in general.
>>253673663
>"press any button to continue"
>press the boobs button
>>253673849I'm going to try drawing some panties for the lower button so it's like the cure menu
>>253665590
I have to wait 45 days, i live in the mosr southernest city in the world.
>>253665590
Shit son, mine came today and I ordered it Sunday night.
Feels so good.
How important is a fightstick? I've been using a 360 controller fairly successfully but I have trouble doing half and full circles
>>253674524
When was the estimated delivery?
>>253674618
Not that important.
You just use whatever you're used to.
>>253674710
Today.
So these are pretty good for modding?
>>253674618
It's not important. You might find those inputs you're having trouble with to be easier but others might give you problems instead. dashes, in particular are more challenging for me on stick than pad for example.
If you're comfortable with pad, try to fix the problems you have with that before opting to switch to stick.
So I ordered some Sanwa OBSCs for my fighting edge because I don't like the Kuros and while I have it open I wanted to put some new art on there. Can someone make me some simple waifu art? You can just put it on a checkered black and white background if you want since if I even had the skills that's all I was going to do.
>>253650632
Theres alot more hitbox players now. I saw lots of people using them at EVO
A marvel player got 17th with one and Tyrant is always placing well in KI with it. Got 9th at EVO and I think top 3 at previous majors
>>253674853
easy. back panel pops right off and everything accessible.
I'm not a fan of the size, because i spread my legs when sitting. And with the low weight they tend to slip, I found this was easy to counter with getting some stick on felt
>>253674853
They're a fantastic shell but early Madcatz sticks had some notorious pcbs. Put a PS360 in that thing though and it'll treat you as good as any TE though.
>>253675363
>Madcatz sticks had some notorious pcbs
i see people say this here in there. what exactly is bad with it?
i bought one of those sticks since day one and never had any problems with it.
mind you i do play casually so i might be missing something here.
>>253675713
I don't know of any scientific studies on the number of failures but I had a TE Round 2 for 6 months before the PCB failed. I personally know of at least one other person that has had a failure as well.
It's the only stick manufacturer I've ever personally known to have had failures. But as with any electronic device, plenty of people have had MCZ sticks for years without problems.
>>253675713
Mostly unsubstantiated claims that it drops inputs even though most top level players still use Madcatz sticks. Just another way for people to blame something besides themselves when they lose.
>>253676672
You will likely find similar numbers from all the companies, simply because it is electronic equipment. It happens, as long as madcatz support is good
I wish I had a better picture.
I ordered 2 of those chibi buttons, should be in the mail soon.
>>253675045
I'm pretty terrible at Photoshop, is this even close to what you're going for?
>>253676979
I've seen those sticks before
For anyone who modded a SE stick: how do you cut the button holes out of the lamilabel?
I tried an xacto knife, but that is such a bitch.
>>253677332
Lol where do you live?
>>253677367
I used an xacto knife.
Either that or find a place that does laser cutting.
>>253665590
Same. MA here. Not getting it till Monday.
>>253677332
same here, dont remember where it was posted though
fucking love the hello kitty stick
>>253677367
I used an xacto knife. Just be careful and try not to tear it.
>>253677428
Ontario, pretty sure I saw them on shoryuken
>>253677367
box cutter with a new blade
>>253677315
As far as I'm concerned it's perfect and I love it. Thanks a lot bud, I'll try to get it printed up and post pics when I get it set up so watch for that.
>>253677769
Yup; I posted 2 of them a few years ago on the post your stick thread.
>>253677315
>>253677802
Oh and woops I guess link the psd and stuff too.
>>253651908
Oh damn, I thought I'm the only one using a Hori Mini.
I agree, it's pretty great for its price.
>>253678091
Meant to reply to >>253651841
I'm a little bored and wanting to do something.
I'll make one person some custom art. Let me know what you want.
>>253678573
ducktales for a TE1
>>253677950
You should be able to have it printed out just like this.
>>253675045
>nyanya
I like you.
>>253678769
TE Round one?
Any particular design, or you just want me to go full quackers?
>>253679125
The NES and remake game prominence, other than that go nuts
threw this together in paint in 3 seconds, think I should try to add more to the background? Thinking of doing something along these lines
Hey, can anyone recommend a good beginner fight stick for the PC. Something entry level and not too expensive.
Thanks,
>>253679456
Constructive criticism.
Don't use paint.
Also, move the logo to the bottom right corner.
And use a template so you know where the screws are.
As far as the background goes try something simple and not too noisy.
>>253679456
>Those fucking buttons
>Not using a real template.
Oh god what am i looking at?
>>253679613
Hori HRAP3
>>253679613
any PS3 stick should plug and play no problem, 360 sticks need the controller driver
>>253679613
Hori mini is super cheap and gets the job done. I'm still using one actually.
>>253679734
>>253679735
Lol i'd use a real template when I actually make the real deal, just too lazy to get photoshop going atm. Just spit balling some ideas in the mean time.
>>253677769
I'm tempted to use one of those surgical scissors. Just seems easier. Plus no threat of ripping the art if the blade dulls
>all these dont buy qanba
theres nothing wrong with them
and are certainly one of the better sticks
>>253679456
You know the scrolling film they use in the intro sequence, i feel like you can add a few in the background and maybe some faded story art/in-game screens it could look very sick.
Maybe something minimalistic like this hdwallpaperpc.com/download/Valentine_Skullgirls_51255/resolution_1920x1080
but with the valentine film going on that bottom right space.
I would mock something shitty in photoshop but i dont have time/installed on this pc yet.
Is Xbox360 Fighting Stick VX any decent?
>>253681256
Oh and use template blah blah
>>253680783
Except that they cost twice as much as sticks with the same build quality and half the lag/dropped inputs.The dualmod gimmick doesn't make up for that.
>>253681542
i've never heard a qanba user complain about dropp inputs or lag
>>253678837
Welp thanks a lot then bud. Do I just go into the Fedex and print it there? I can't find anywhere on their website that will let me print a 19x13.
Pad pride coming through! WE WON EVO BABY!
>>253681270
You're going to want to put new buttons and stick in it. Hori's old proprietary parts are some of the worst parts ever. Also keep in mind how small this thing is and how much it's going to move because of weight. I'd just spend the extra money and get a used/ on sale TE.
>>253681879
Louffy won evo, you did fuck all
>>253681879
what is this abomination
>>253681879
>in other news PS1 controller sales sky rocket 400%
