If KotOR 3 were to be made, what developer would be best suited to make it and do it justice, and what would you like to see in it?
anyone but Bioware please
Obsidian ideally. And a continuation for the story that was hinted at in KOTOR 2, with Revan preparing the galaxy for a larger threat etc.
However, EA has said that Bioware is currently busy with a Star Wars game, so we'll get that instead.
>>252985657
Obsidian honestly. Only without corporate suits breathing down their neck and forcing them to release the game 5 months early.
>>252986478
>Revan preparing the galaxy for a larger threat etc.
I don't think you understand how dark side works in this universe
I would only be interested in Obsidian-made KotOR3, a direct continuation of 2 (but maybe with new player character).
I think starting as a True Sith Empire citizen something like 100 years after KotOR 2 would be interesting - you become involved in Revan/Exile legacy somehow, and it rolls from there.
>>252986478
I think Obsidian's writing would be great, but Alpha Protocol tells me that they can't make their own original game for shit excluding PoE(hopefully).
cd projekt red
I know this is fan fiction tier, but
>KoTOR3 main character, Revan, and Exile in one party
>the dream team has assembled
But Kotor 2 WAS made, along with Kotors 4-8
>>252987374
what
>>252986991
I think this might be kinda interesting, we wouldn't have to worry about a black and white view on the force anyways
>>252985657
Obsidian or Larian
>>252985657
Bioware
I can't handle games without gender and race equality.
Seriously whats the deal with all the white cis hetero male protagonists>
>>252987430
That's what the tortanic team liked to say.
>>252987649
>I can't handle games without gender and race equality.
Obsidian are just as good at that ;)
Obsidian, Larian or CDPR.
>>252987430
>>252988001
Is original sin really that good?
>>252988001
>>252987564
>Larian
I can see them doing a new light-hearted game set in the Star Wars universe that isn't heavy on the narrative, but I don't think they'd be a good fit for the KOTOR license.
>>252987430
Bioware marketed SWTOR as not just the immediate sequel to Kotor 2, but also as kotor 4, 5, 6, 7, etc.
Does it matter, only what Disney says is canon are what matters now
Obsidian will be fucking neat if they picked it up but knowing Disney they'll just give it to EA and EA will throw it to Bioware
>>252985657
Obsidian.
They're basically the go-to guys now when you want a western-RPG-for-hire. Kind of like how Platinum is for action games.
>>252988214
I don't know, I haven't played it. But I've played all of their games since Divine Divinity and they generally do a good job even with tiny budgets. If they had a Bioware-level budget, I feel they could really make something unforgettable.
You know, I actually don't want a new Star Wars game from Obsidian.
I want Obsidian to focus on more in-house IPs like Pillars so that they can stop being reliant on publishers.
Besides, the Star Wars universe milked it's last milk for me ages ago. It's been going downhill for a long time.
>>252988289
What is and is not canon for the Star Wars universe is irrelevent. There's so much fucking extended universe.
I learned just yesterday that apparently Luke went to the dark side briefly.
>>252988289
>they'll just give it to EA
They already did, EA has exclusive rights to the franchise for 10 years. Bioware is working on a new Star Wars game, they've already confirmed it. Why is /v/ so out of touch that you don't already know this?
>>252985657
Obsidian.
>>252988786
Obsidian won't survive on projects like PoE, they're too big for that.
what if bioware made it and it was actually good
>>252988371
I dont know how well they could translate KoTOR to current gen technology though, theyre not very good at coding it seems
I'd be cool to play as Revan during the Mandalorian Wars; you could have Malak & HK in your party and the last fight could be against Bastilla.
>>252986478
The larger threat was the sith empire in TOR.
Revan and Malak went beyond the outer rim as a Jedi pre KOTOR 1. They tried to fight the Emperor and lost, he corrupted them and sent them back into known space as Sith. Revan regained control and started his own splinter empire out of the Star Forge, to overthrow the republic so he could unify their holdings against the Emperor. Malak fucked it up.
Revan was never really sith, he used the title because it was the quickest way for him to achieve his goals.
>>252986379
>EA has exclusive star wars game rights for 10 years
abadon hope.
>>252988001
>Larian
They would need free reign to make a bunch of shenanigans.
Also some kind of Bellegar representative.
>>252989163
Even modern Bioware probably can write a decent KotOR 1 type of story now; I don't think they could write a KotOR 2 type of story, though. So it depends on what you like more.
>>252985657
I wouldn't want kotOR3
Especially not from Bioware or Obsidian
both are overrated companies and suck ass
>kotar 3 could be out right now with superb game mechanics and story-telling
>instead we're stuck with swtor
>>252989068
They downsized massively due to financial difficulty after New Vegas's release. They lost about a third of their staff.
They aren't as big as they were.
If Pillars manages to sell a few hundred-thousand units it could help support the studio to become far more independant.
>>252989504
Would you have rather them made kotor3 into a shitty game than swtor?
Something not with the force. Obsidian please.
>>252989626
They hired a bunch of people lately. And even now, they worked on Stick of Truth before and during early PoE production, their programmers work on those shitty Russian games and I think they have (had?) a secret project, too.
Plus it seems they throw some pitches at producers occasionally. They need those AAA bux.
>>252989953
>They need those AAA bux.
Why? The model doesn't suit them.
>>252990212
>why?
Ask Feargus, lol.
>The model doesn't suit them.
FNV was great, though they did get burned with that shitty Metacritic deal.
fuck star wars
any good dev should just make their own stuff
which is why it's always left to the garbage devs like bioware
>>252989953
Perhaps. But they could at least become partially independent, where they have two teams to work simultaneously on a publisher-funded game and one of their self published games.
I'd hope they'd drop the combat system for something new, but still having all of the powers and feats that were in 1 and 2
>>252990443
>self published games
They had to ask Paradox to do some publishing stuff for PoE because they don't have such capabilities.
>>252990393
Feargus has kept Obsidian scrappy and tenacious enough to survive where other independent RPG studios like Troika died.
>>252990648
>they don't have such capabilities.
Well, it's not that they don't have the capabilities, it's that they don't want to get bogged down in that stuff when they could just focus on development.
Besides, Paradox is acting more as a distributor than a publisher.
>>252989504
It's for the best. If Kotor were made by this BioWare, it would go full SJW.
>>252991023
Making cheap and buggy sequels to popular franchises proved to be more profitable than making cheap and buggy original games (well, if you can call ToEE and VTMB original - I mean, they're based on a DnD module and WW setting, but they are not direct sequels to popular computer games).
>>252991227
I really couldn't give a fuck about a few gay side-characters so long as the game is good.
Sadly Bioware seems incapable of doing that, and on top of that they outright lie to fans and have enough hubris to sink several large steel passenger-cruisers.
>>252991227
Its so sad that this is the definite truth
>>252989283
>Jedi Bellegar
I could live with it
>>252991558
>proved to be more profitable
Developers typically don't get a percentage of any games they make for ips that they don't own or partially own.
They get paid a flat sum with the possibility of a bonus.
>>252991023
>like Troika died.
Troika fucked themselves over by using the Source engine without it being finished, and then they got royally fucked by both Activision and Valve.
>>252988289
who cares what's canon and what's not?
>>252990212
They're not going after AAA games, they simply have multiple projects going on at the same time to keep their creative department busy all the time. We saw a lot of new faces for South Park, for example.
>>252991842
>Jedi Bellegar
>Not an entire droid collective with Bellegar A.I.
>>252991920
Profitable as in, it didn't sink Obsidian.
>>252992054
Because one is fanfiction and the other is not.
>>252992030
Obsidian is sadly showing all the problems endemic to Troika. Urquhart is a huge part of the reason why they haven't went bankrupt years ago and he's simply Troika lacked.
>>252992054
this, I don't care just make a true successor to the series that itsn't ToR
>>252985657
As overrated as Kotor 2 was, Obsidian is probably the best choice. Just fire the idiot who thought it was a good idea to take 30 hours to get your lightsaber.
>>252992116
How about Bellegar just using his great powers to somehow fuck around in the Star Wars universe?
>>252992230
>Obsidian is sadly showing all the problems endemic to Troika
Not really, VTMB was using an engine that wasn't finished and they released it like that.
>>252991558
it's also getting whatever work you can to stay afloat. obsidian has pretty much been in "will work for food" stage ever since they came about.
>>252992030
They weren't allowed to upgrade it as the Source engine got upgraded by Valve.
>>252992105
>dat feel when you think how much sheer concentrated talent there was in Black Isle at the time
Black Isle pretty much spawn all worthwhile RPG-centric companies and individuals in that time period.
>>252992356
Yeah, they're working on some shitty Russian games now, though that's mostly programming work.
>>252988270
That's such bullshit. Isn't it really the same story no matter what class you choose?
>>252985657
Obsidian
Total retcon of TOR storyline like it never existed.
Been a while?
>>252989626
Well, the only reason they made DS3 was because it was that or shutting shop.
It was done on a really small budget too, so much so that despite the fact that it was a multiplatform release it was considered a success after only selling a few hundred-thousand units.
>>252992648
Only the six film and that shitty animated series is canon now.
>>252992356
Hence the reason an award winning RPG dev is making a crappy world of tanks knockoff.
>>252992648
I'd be so happy you cant even comprehend
>>252985657
Obsidian or InExile, probably. ideally, a mixture of both but Obsidian if it comes to it.
as for what i'd like to see; a continuation, full on. exploring the outer rim, the true sith threat, etc. in the spirit of the two games, have a third protagonist be there. perhaps following after Exile and Revan searching them for whatever reason.
as is tradition, you'd obtain HK-47 and T3M4 somewhere down the line, perhaps inherit a broken down ebon hawk that you'd need to fix or repair or something, and travelling to all the different outer rim planets. hell maybe a fully explorable coruscant at first.
ignore the existence of TOR's canon entirely, also. Only other thing I'd like to see is massive choice reactivity like in Alpha Protocol.
>>252992753
And they got a new proprietary engine out of it. Which they haven't used again because there's too much middleware involved.
>>252992332
>Not really, VTMB was using an engine that wasn't finished and they released it like that.
The Temple of Elemental Evil was full of glitches too.
What aboutBethesda?
what if it was made by cd projekt red, what would it be like
>>252992753
>it was considered a success
Any quote on that?
What kills me about DS3 is that they made it on their own engine, which is actually pretty good (lololol Bugsidian), but also relies on a lot of expensive middleware, which makes it unsuitable for their "indie" projects.
>>252992332
That's not really it. Troika's problem was always piss poor planning and management issues, both which lead to them biting more then they could chew and having to ship incomplete/buggy games as a result.
Sound familiar?
>>252992803
I'm really not sure if I want that to succeed or not. On one hand I want Obsidian to be financially solvent and successful, but on the other look at what happened to Blizzard after WoW was made.
It changed the entire way they approach development, the entire way they look at video-games.
>>252992803
>Hence the reason an award winning RPG dev is making a crappy world of tanks knockoff.
It's apparently going to have a story mode and your crew will have their own backgrounds stories. It might be interesting and it's just crazy to involve Obsidian and turn it into a tank RPG with a story.
>>252993132
FNV was okay (buggy yes, but not that much more than FO3, and patched fast), DS3 was not buggy, Stick of Truth... was good too, IIRC? PoE seems to be developed on a tight schedule and it's hitting its milestones so far.
Maybe they've learned?
>>252993414
>Maybe they've learned?
I certainly hope so. Unless you have AAA marketing to throw around the days of buggy beta releases are over. It's time to invest into your own QA department and test that shit.
>>252993121
Avellone either said it in an interview or one of those Reddit AMAs. Can't remember where. Sorry.
He did say it was only a moderate success though.
>>252993119
No party, but great light saber combat.
>>252992791
KoTOR could be considered to be like its own canon though
>>252993414
Feargus said they revamped their whole bugtracking process after New Vegas' release.
Their games since then have been pretty stable.
>>252993872
No, Disney has said that everything but the film and the series is not canon. At least we have the consolation price of Darth Bane being in the shitty animated show.
>>252993756
>He did say it was only a moderate success though.
Eh, still good.
Another thing I could thank DS3 for: before it came out I have no idea DS fanboys even existed.
>>252993869
Maybe they'd challenge themselves and work party game play into their current style of combat though. That could be nice.
>>252994067
Well fuck Disney. Seriously. They can do whatever the fuck they want and it matters not one hairy whore's whit to me. As far as I'm concerned it's ALL canon. What bearing does that have on my or your enjoyment of the series? I'll play the games I like, watch the shows I like, read the books I like, and everybody else can fuck off.
>>252985657
Obsidian, no rush this time tho.
>>252993050
Jedi Academy with the rpg mechanics and worldstyle of Kotor....
Would probably be AWESOME
>>252995631
my thoughts exactly
>>252985657
Obsidian, with a blood contract stating that if they don't deliver their product by the timeline their life is forfeit.
>>252992576
No, no where near, the class stories are widely different, it would be like saying Kotor 1 + 2 story was really the same story
Obsidian.
I'd play a Larian Star Wars game, but they wouldn't be the best choice to finish KOTOR.
>>252996628
Or maybe with a timeline of more than 18 months for a large RPG....
>>252996628
that's why kotor 2 sucked, bro. so no, give them the time to finish the fucking game
>>252992576
No? They all have different personal stories. Though the sidequests are always the same.
Of course though, none of the stories were ever finished
>>252996979
Excuse me, 16 months, fucking publisher scumbags.
>people saying Obsidian
They are every bit as bad as Bioware. While they write better, their execution is far worst. The game won't be done, they will burn the the budget midway through production and the game will get delayed a full year...... and still won't be finished.
>disney gives it to Bethesda
>jedy academy
>Bethesda style world building
please, god
Valve is really the only company i'd trust to make games anymore.
Sure we get a gem every now and then from other companies...
but if you gave me a choice. Valve making KTOR would be the best choice.
>>252995461
No rush?
You mean like all of their games?!
Stop blaming the publishers on their inability to finish a game on time.
>>252998190
Are you high or something?
BioWare had over 3 years to develop KOTOR, Obsidian were barely given one and a half, stop being a contrarian faggot for the sake of it.
>>252998558
>Valve is really the only company i'd trust to make games anymore.
>>252998441
>>Bethesda style world building
So, shit.
>>jedy academy
Skyrim with lightsabers.
>>252998558
>>252992105
I like what they are trying to do with Armored Warfare as a cash cow. Obsidian is growing up and riding the wave. The kickstarter really set things rolling. I hope POE is good.
Really despite all their problems, what other western rpg dev you have? And dont say CDprojekt, Witcher is a different beast.
Still I think Larin also got a really nice boost with DivOS, it hits all the right traditional rpg marks.
Why is KOTOR such a comfy game? Is it just my nostalgia?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv8tYdGTQdY
>>252998680
>No rush?
>You mean like all of their games?!
>Kotor 2
16 months
>New Vegas
18 months
>Alpha Protocol
Unknown
>NWN2
2 years
All of those games took less than 3 years to make, I don't know how retarded you must be to assume that you can make a good RPG in less than 2.5-3 years.
>>252987430
>>252998680
>No rush?
>You mean like all of their games?!
>I am ignorant, so I will shitpost
>>252998441
pls no
pls
>>252999276
goddamnit
now it's time to replay KOTOR for the fiftieth fucking time
>>252986478
>EA has said that Bioware is currently busy with a Star Wars game
Oh fuck me with a Buster Sword.
You got a source for that? Really hoping you're just bullshitting.
>>252989221
Much of that explanation was from TOR, though.
The way KotOR II set it up, Revan discovered during the Mandalorian Wars that the True Sith were preparing to return and were using the Wars as a means to weaken the Republic.
He learned all of this when he discovered the Trayus Academy on Malachor V during the Wars. So he "became a Sith" in order to break down the Jedi Order and the Republic so he could rebuild them in his image and prepare them properly for the return of the True Sith.
Revan losing to the Sith Emperor, the Sith Emperor being a thing in general, and him being sent back as a Sith by them was all TOR shit.
Obsidian also set the True Sith up as something much bigger than just being super old Sith, but rather something new to introduce to the universe and something potentially eldritch and beyond our comprehension, similar to the descriptions of Nihilus.
Obsidian could do it, but please please please put someone besides Chris Avellone on writing duty. He had neat ideas and alternate philosophies on the Force make for good plots, but he's a total failure at actually incorporating them into the Star Wars universe. Of all the alternate ways to view how the Force works he picks one of the only ones that doesn't mesh with the setting's internal logic.
>>252999282
NWN2's problems were largely due to the lead, Ferret Baudoin, being an incompetent fuck.
He restarted development on key aspects of the game like the narrative with months to go before launch.
Then he fucked off to Bioware before the game shipped and Sawyer was hired to clean up his mess.
>>252985657
Obsidian is the only answer.
>>252999964
Two years is still kind of short for a RPG of that scope, along with what you mentioned.
>>252999764
5 seconds on google
http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/29/5156602/ea-allegedly-creating-new-open-world-star-wars-game
>>252988943
>10 years
This is such horseshit, I can't imagine giving a second-rate property away for that much time much less your big cash cow
>>253000219
>open world
Like the epic corridors they showed off for Cisquisition?
>>252999964
Now I understand why I hate NW2, its the only Obsidian game I truly cant play. NWN expansions were much better.
>>252999824
Yeah I also like how they set up the True Sith as something alien and mysterious. I guess they could not be the old Sith but rather something more exotic, maybe even outside space and time.
>>253000475
I think they just had a really alien mindset. Or at least I hope it was that.
>>253000475
Mask of the Betrayer was still good...
>>252988943
>Tfw I was actually optimistic with the closure of LucasArts and the Disney acquisition since LA hadn't produced a worthwhile game in ages and all the best Star Wars games were from third party developers
>Abrams announced for the new films, still hold out that the new games would be good and Obsidian would be tapped for their Rise of the Empire-era RPG they pitched around that time
>Silently pray that that game would do well and they'd be allowed to do KotOR III and retcon TOR out of existence
>Disney announces exclusivity deal with EA
>Mfw
There's no reason to care about the series anymore. The good parts of the EU are gone, SW is going to go full SJW, and Abrams is going to just churn out Star Wars: Dawn of the Reference.
>>253000605
Hence why he said the expansions were better.
>>253000602
>I think they just had a really alien mindset.
Man, why did you have to bring that up, that game looked baller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdVedBa0-mk
>>252988943
Please don't let me remember it.
I just hope the Kotor 3 mod will be good, the demo was promising.
>>253000805
>There's no reason to care about the series anymore
Exactly. Just do what I did and stop being a Star Wars fan. I still love the Original Trilogy, some of the games and so on, but I no longer look forward to anything Star Wars related. That way I cannot feel any pain.
>>253001035
It looked... interesting. Was it on Onyx too? Would probably be less buggy than Alpha Protocol, at least.
The kicker is, of course, that it was canceled in favor of Colonial Marines.
>>253001226I'm trying my best. It was one of the biggest things I grew up with, though.
I had let go when TOR came out and they ruined the legacy of KotOR II. Then the Disney acquisition happened, and I got hopeful again.It's hard to let go a second time.
>>253001226
>That way I cannot feel any pain.
One of Kotaku's few good articles. About Obsidian and Interplay and so on.
Worth a read.
http://kotaku.com/5968952/the-knights-of-new-vegas-how-obsidian-survived-countless-catastrophes-and-made-some-of-the-coolest-role-playing-games-ever
LULLLLLLLZ YOU GUISSSEEEE WANT TO MAKE A BIOWARE HATE THREAD??!?!!1 LULLLLLLLZZZZ I DO THIS EVERYDAY FOR MONTHS IN A ROW ITS SOOO FUNNNEHHH LULLZZZ
>>253001226
Anon everything in life must have context. Some days are perfect, others are not and plod along. Same with the things you love. You can always love SW. Its okay.
There is plenty universes to go around.
I personally still think Dune is the best sci fi opera setting.
>>253001231
>The kicker is, of course, that it was canceled in favor of Colonial Marines.
Yeah, I bet SEGA's kicking themselves over that one.
>>252985657
>if kotor 3...
Nope. Won't ever happen. I'm in pain.
>>253002013
>I personally still think Dune is the best sci fi opera setting.
Fuck, I was actually thinking the other day of how great a Dune RPG from Obsidian would be. Especially if Herbert's son stays the fuck away from it.
>>253002123
CM was an FPS with lots of hype, it probably still sold well on that alone. Didn't it?
>>253001856
Either put it in pastebin or don't link to it at all
>>253002013
I love me some Moebius.
>>253002323
It's a good article. Stop being a stuck up bitch.
>>253002323
It's two years old, mate.
>>252999824
>>Obsidian also set the True Sith up as something much bigger than just being super old Sith, but rather something new to introduce to the universe and something potentially eldritch and beyond our comprehension, similar to the descriptions of Nihilus.
I dunno. Nihilus was seen as something that shouldn't exist by everyone light or dark. If the old Sith Lords were that much stronger than everyone in KOTOR, I don't see why the "True Sith" would have to go that far instead of just simply being alien.
And if there was something so horrific,I don't see why Revan couldn't have just rallied everyone instead of starting a second war.
>>253002323
It's a good article. Views on good articles will encourage them to write more of those instead of shitty clickbait stories.
>>253001856
>http://kotaku.com/5968952/the-knights-of-new-vegas-how-obsidian-survived-countless-catastrophes-and-made-some-of-the-coolest-role-playing-games-ever
>b-but it's not the publisher's fault, those poor publishers ;_;
>>253002630
I'm pretty sure most fans of "the true sith" mcguffin were hoping that Reavan was actually referring to the Yuuzhan Vong
>>252985657
Star Wars is shit. Let that shit die.
Give it to some AAA studio to spew out another soulless piece of shit that plays like everything else.
>>253002867
Obsidian never blames the publishers. Never. They know not to burn their bridges.
Avellone even took personal responsibility for KOTOR 2's state saying stuff like "they should have done less companions" and "there should have been less kinematics".
>>253000805
>>253001226
The tabletop RPGs are good, and I'm still vaguely hopeful that Disney will have better quality control on the vidya than Lucas did. But other than that the franchise is pretty well boned.
>>253002280
>Dune rpg by Obsidian
A man can dream.
We will never have it.
>>253002630
>I don't see why Revan couldn't have just rallied everyone instead of starting a second war.
Because Revan realized that the True Sith did not handle war like anything previous. They would strike from the shadows and use the Force in ways they couldn't comprehend. The Republic and the Jedi Order in its current form wouldn't have been able to counter that.
They needed to be trained and rebuilt with the knowledge of how to properly counter that, but those that were in power would never go along with what he told them. The politicians in the Senate would be too stuck up to listen to a Jedi that defied the Order to go to war, hero or not, and the Council wanted to sentence Revan to exile or worse for his actions.
Again, you need to keep in mind that the things we saw on Malachor V, the teachings it bred, and all of the ancient Sith Lords of Korriban were all small time in comparison to these ancient, alien monstrosities that had temporarily forgotten about the worlds they had left behind.
I always liked to think it implied that they weren't even intentionally preparing for their return. That it was an unconscious action carried throughout the Force. Anechothat would make its way back to them again and remind them of what they had left behind.
>>253003025
>Yuuzhan Vong
I know the object Canderous ran into was a Vong object, but the Vong as they are would be too much for galaxy as it was in KOTOR 1 & 2 even with the Star Forge. They would have had to be nerfed or created a primitive version for them to work.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-25-yes-obsidian-really-is-making-an-mmo-tank-game
>"I always thought - and everyone just looks at me strangely when I say this - it would be cool to do a Star Wars Pillars of Eternity-style game, where you had a little party, a droid and a... whatever. That would be super-cool. I'd buy it!
I want it. But it will never happen.
>>253003272
Well obviously they wouldn't do something as stupid as that, but it would be pretty obvious to anyone that deadlines of less than 1.5 years are a bit evil when it comes to RPGs. And it's not like Obsidian could say no, they are always in the lurch after a release because they never sell well due to shitty marketing.
>>253003686
Anon think like this they are helping make that mmo and that tank game in order to have the flow of money to make those rpgs. Still they can fall prey to the same corruption Blizzard or Bioware fell.
>>253001856
>"This is Josh Sawyer's office," Urquhart tells me. He points to a set of hanging dolls above the designer's desk. "And those are his Teletubbies."
>"They're not Teletubbies!" Sawyer yells. "They're Pikmin!"
Holy shit, it's like a sitcom.
>>253003876
couldn't*
>>252986858
This. Everything you said, just have it take place a little less than 100 years in the future
I really liked their experiment with Alpha protocol. But damn sometimes the game felt weird. And its short.
But that Mike and dialogue was just perfect. ME should be ashamed.
>>252988371
Except Obsidian actually makes decent games.
CD Projekt Red
Too bad EA control the rights to Star Wars now and Kotor 3 will be developed by BioWare(TM)
>>253004837
A pity they didn't patent the dialogue style like Bioware patented the dialogue wheel from Mass Effect.
>>252985657
I'd really prefer Star Wars and Star Trek fade into history and we move on from these series.
Id want cdprojekt red to do it, with the way they were building up the story it would have been necessary to have someone with experience in making morally grey choices to properly pull it off.
>>252992289
>30 hours
>not getting it in 3 hours
>lel
>>253005567
>Star Trek
But why. Star Trek deserves at least one good game. JUST ONE.
>>253003602
>They would strike from the shadows and use the Force in ways they couldn't comprehend. The Republic and the Jedi Order in its current form wouldn't have been able to counter that.
That's fine since Visas Marr's race had a naturally affinity with the force and had ability other force users couldn't use or learn. That didn't mean they had to be proto-reapers, just something different from the known galaxy.
>Again, you need to keep in mind that the things we saw on Malachor V, the teachings it bred, and all of the ancient Sith Lords of Korriban were all small time in comparison to these ancient, alien monstrosities that had temporarily forgotten about the worlds they had left behind.
There are two empires mentioned in KOTOR. One was a Sith Empire with Lords that would have shat on anyone but Nihilus. The other was the Infinite Empire which was a super race the conquered everything and made many devices like the Star Forge and were only ended by themselves.
I don't really think you can make something on a sliding scale between the two and have the current galaxy deal with it.
>>252999824
The villains beyond the Rim were supposed to be the True Sith, but what the True Sith were at the time was likely something very different from the generic Galactic Empire ripoff Bioware put in TOR. They would have been like you say, eldritch in nature.
Honestly, I don't want Kotor 3 to be made. I want the an Imperial Agent game. As much as SWTOR was shit, I loved the fuck out of the imperial agent story and it deserves to be in a better game.
The idea of being a normal cog in the sith engine while you bow to your all powerful sith masters is great. Along with the realization that the greatest threat to the galaxy is the force itself, rather than just the sith. Regardless of whether they are sith or jedi, magic space wizards just fuck up the balance power of everything and cause more problems that they fix.
>>253006294
Remember Interplay did Starfleet Command.
Its the perfect Star Trek game. But there are a bunch of good star trek games.
>>253003686
Thats an interesting interview, despite their hiccups Publishers still like them. And we may even get another Alpha Protocol. Sega is still making money off it.
>>253006559
I think they were going for something more theosophic, but something more lovecraftian would be nice.
>>253006294
EGA Trek was good.
>>253006886
Could anyone put that in a game and pull it off properly?
>>253000293
It is actually true though, it has been stated in PR by them, this was 6 months to a year ago so how dam slow are you on news.
>>253006294
Elite Force games are GOAT.
>>253004661
I picked 100 years because I don't really want to see Exile or Revan in the flesh. Some holocron at best. Let me explore the consequences of their actions, the chain reactions they started to bring Empire down.
>>253009327
>not having the trifecta of a new protagonist, revan, and exile working together.
Do you not want fun?
>>253009573
>Trying to cram in some shitty reason why all 3 of them would be working in direct contact of another.
>Trying to make sense of why 2 leaders are now obedient followers.
Do you not want a good story?
>>253009573
Apart from it sounding like a godawful fanfic, it will also force writers to "fix" more about Revan/Exile personalities. They're player characters; they're you. I think the way KotOR 2 explored Revan without getting too much into your KotOR 1 decisions was good.
>>253009327
>>253009573
>Not wanting KotOR II to be Revan and the Exile bro-oping in entirely new, unexplored worlds of the True Sith out in the Unknown Regions, culminating in a final confrontation between the two where the Exile makes Revan finally explain his reasoning for doing what he did and deciding if it was worth it in the end or not, or opting to have a final battle at the end of all things
>First kotor familiarizes you with the lore and revan
>Second kotor is bridge with subtle hints to revan and a latger threat
>The third kotor is the galaxy, the sith, the jedi, the republic temporarily unifed to fight this threat
You now realise Bioware completely ruined this and made the story described above into the Mass Effect series
>>253009863
They don't have to be obedient, the arguments between the group would be interesting, if not only because we've played as each character before. Plus, they don't have to be grouped together the whole game, it'd be more of an endgame/last boss kind of thing.
>>252999160
god, being an edgy sith lord faggot and corrupting the Handmaiden to the dark side was one of my favourite moments in KOTOR 2. Atton was also neat to persuade, while bao-dur didn't do anything special but got some cool Darth Maul facepaint.
>>253010297
I would rather the Exile walking their own path and possibly rebuilding the Order and parts of the Republic. If their paths cross later, then so be it.
>>253010297
No, no I don't. Some things are better left unsaid. I would love to see the impact of that thing Revan/Exile did, and probably to decide the fate of the Empire.
>>253010513
The first game is self-contained. Bioware never intended for Revan to be anything more than a generic really strong and smart Jedi (ego-stroking, since you are him) who fell to the Dark Side and then, uh, unfell. Or fell again.
The second game just decides that original Revan is boring and completely changes his backstory, turning him into a tragical hero. I wouldn't expect Bioware to follow up to that ever.
