Now that this game has been out for a good year now, let's write down all of our complaints with this game, be they big or small. I'll start.
>Repeats on custom moves and Mii costumes
>Only a few characters get alternate costumes
>Returning stages mixed in with new ones
>No offline tournament mode
>Smash Tour in general
Why cant smash run be on wii u?
and thats pretty much it
>5 characters from fire emblem are in there 4 OF THEM ARE SWORDSMEN NO SPEAR OR AXE WIELDERS THEY ARE ALL JUST MARTH OR ROY
>Mario's dash attack
>Rosalina's dash attack and f-air
>Any of Jigglypuff's aerial moves
Is there any fucking reason why the active frames should be so fucking long?
>Sheik's fair having fucked up hitboxes that extend into the next continent
>Meta Knight's range supposedly "fixed" even though there are still instances where at least 1/4th the sword goes through the opponent and doesn't hurt anything
>FG leans too much in favor of spammers
>Pikmin have no priority over fucking ANYTHING
>Unable to shield Shulk's counter when it's activated
>Unable to shield the springs on that one shitty 75m stage
>The 75m stage in general
>The Pac-Man stage
>no momentum carried over to jumps
>still has magnetic ledges from brawl
>no melee dash dancing
>terrible online mode
there are also a lot of smaller complaints but those are the bigger ones
>>318276462
A lot of the top tier characters are the most brain dead characters in the game.
Online is FD only
I can't play Cloud yet
>>318276827
they want to kek you into buying a 3ds
>>318276462
The 3DS version existing
>>318277193
Jigglypuff needs all she can get.
However, Rosalina needs to have a dash attack change, as it's slightly ridiculous.
>>318276462
every fucking single player fight being a billion characters on the screen instead of just one on one
>>318277373
but most of the top tiers besides like Mario require a lot of skill desu, unless you're a scrub who thinks that Sheik, ZSS and RosaLuma are easy
>new stages are fucking horrible with Sak's idea of fun being a huge boss that comes in to disrupt the match in stages with little space to move around (Wily Castle, Gaur Plains)
>the intro sucks
>almost every veteran has the same voice clips/victory themes
>Smash Tour should have been Smash Run with different areas and online play
>custom moves are just slightly altered normal specials save for a few exceptions
>STILL no region-based online play
>Classic mode is shit
>too many animu swordsmen
>3rd party reps being more faithful to source material than 1st party ones
>main theme is underwhelming and is the worst main theme in the series
To believe that I was actually going to buy a Wii-U for this game
>>318277318
then just fuckin' play melee
i don't understand you people
>>318277850
The only Melee-related thing he wrote was dashdancing tho
>>318277997
>no momentum carried over to jumps
heavily implied about melee, too, since brawl didn't have that either.
Ridley being a shitty boss hazard that acts nothing like Ridley. If you're going to make him a boss and cite not making him playable so he fits specific criteria that's only for him, fine what fucking ever. Don't turn around and make his boss hazard go against everything you said kept him off the roster in the first place.
Samus in general.
Wii U modes being shit.
No DLC newcomers that are actually Nintendo characters as of yet.
Wii U stages being mostly shit while 3DS got all the nice ones. Why the hell wasn't Pacmans arcade stage on 3ds on the Wii U?
Sakurai having too much power as far as decisions go.
Air dodge spam.
>>318277582
THIS. THIS MOTHERFUCKER GETS IT
>>318278172
>Ridleyfag enters the thread
thread's doomed
every clear out before shit goes down
>>318278129
Those kind of physics were also in 64, guy
>>318278172
>No DLC newcomers that are actually Nintendo characters
Then what the fuck are Roy, Mewtwo, and Lucas? Are you retarded anon?
>>318278331
Reading comprehension.
>Why the fuck did they change the C-Stick mechanics
>Sometimes characters will turn around for no reason and this messes up not only grabs but also some recoveries
>This also applies to Brawl, but why remove jump momentum from running?
>Custom moves are a good idea, but they're implemented in a retarded way: unlocking them is dumb, setting them up is even dumber
That's basically it. Game is mostly fine other than those nitpicks.
>>318278428
>newcomers
>Use c-stick to perform a quick smash attack
>Character uses their standard A attack instead
>Happens even more often online when there's lag
WHY DOES THIS FUCKING HAPPEN
>>318276462
Smash Tour could've been better
No Mona's Pizza Song and Mike's Theme
>>318276462
Why haven't they nerfed rolling yet? It's fucking retarded how often I, and my opponents, correctly predict a roll and it still gets perfect shielded.
>>318278590
because all the c-stick does is input the smash attack movement
with lag the game doesn't properly read it correctly which is also why you sometimes nair when you use it for aerials
>>318278817
They have, you're just 2slow or are using a character who is 2slow
>>318278172
>No DLC newcomers that are actually Nintendo characters as of yet.
sorry you're still butthurt about Cloud getting in over Ridley, Kuck Rool, or a couple of monkeys spacies, and Metroid literal whos.
>>318278945
Brawl didn't have this problem, so what gives?
>>318278817
they actually have
just not by much, same with air dodges I think
Only issue I really have is custom moves and how:
>more aren't given at least the mega man treatment.
Fuck link, mario, ness, kirby, samus, dk, yoshi, and more could easily be given that treatment
>setting em up
Beyond unlocking em it is also a pain to set em up before battle and you can't freely edit em like you can on 3ds
>>318276462
>shit new stages, except for Gamer.
>single player modes are ass
>still no online 2v2 stock mode
>little (pratical) depth.
>>318279072
>proves Sakurai is full of shit
>defends him anyway
>>318276462
My only big problem was just the removal of DACUS, and how almost every combo starts with a grab
Man
Me and my buddy's were playing and my friend rage quit like an infant due to bowser down special
Is it that hard to deal with?
>no customs for DLC charries. would have loved to have some Ken moves for Ryu
>no smash run, or something better for Wii U
>roll spamming not punished by game, honestly it should be where your shield loses health and your invincible frames become non existent
>no offline tourney
>more than half of brawls soundtrack, including character voices, recycled. was expecting all new music never before seen in the game with a few recycled tracks. instead we got the opposite, mostly recycled with a few new tracks.
honestly the sound department is my biggest pet peeve. was expecting new voice clips for everyone, meaning DK has dick freeze voice, and bowser has galaxy voice. wanted all their victory themes to be brand new mixes, like they've been from 64 to brawl. didn't want over 300 recycled tracks from brawl.
honest to god if they would've delayed it a little bit just to prevent all that recycling i wouldn't be complaining about it
>>318279598
addendum
>no online smash run
>>318277105
>3 Fire Emblem characters
You didn't buy another one right anon? The fan service one doesn't count
>>318279598
>honestly the sound department is my biggest pet peeve. was expecting new voice clips for everyone, meaning DK has dick freeze voice, and bowser has galaxy voice. wanted all their victory themes to be brand new mixes, like they've been from 64 to brawl. didn't want over 300 recycled tracks from brawl.
>honest to god if they would've delayed it a little bit just to prevent all that recycling i wouldn't be complaining about it
Having to make two versions while pressed for time, did have it's faults.
>>318279562
Not in the slightest, your friend fucking sucks
>>318279562
Not really, no. What character was he playing? All you have to do really is just get used to not shielding when bowser's in the air.
>>318276462
>Custom moves are mostly boring and a pain to use
>Smash Tour is ass, Run is GOAT and should have been expanded on for the Wii U
>still no momentum, gravity is too floaty and recovering is way to easy as a result of that and the ledges being magnets
>8-player is meh
>stages are 2big because of 8-player smash and if they aren't huge then they're just shit or have a boss
>3DS got good Yoshi's Island and Cornaria
pretty much it, I-frames/rolls/dodges are also dumb but everybody says that one.
>>318276462
>Smash Tour
>Classic mode
>a bunch of small balance tweaks I'd like to see that I don't feel like listing
>>318279862
Oh, some more.
>No hazards in 8 player
>No stage switch
>8 jungle hyjinx remixes
>too many re-used voices for many characters
>The best 3ds stages aren't in WiiU
>yellow devil
>palutena's temple is shit, even in 8 player
>>318279829
He only plays captain falcon
>only captain falcon
What a fucking faggot. Yeah, that was all on him.
>>318280098
Is your friend this guy by any chance?
>>318279076
The code for inputs must've been edited.
Brawl's online was still worse for a multitude of other reasons.
>>318280269
He gets that autisticly mad, so probably.
>>318280397
That's typical Falcon Main behaviour.
>>318280098
>getting bopped by Bowser Bomb using one of the fastest characters in the game
How is that even possible? How bad does one have to be to let that happen?
>>318280269
lol
>>318276462
>unrewarding gameplay
>dumbed down gameplay from previous entries
>RNG grind to unlock half the content
>Final Destination only on 4gloryhole
>absolutely retarded hitboxes like Rosalina's dash attack
Classic Mode is shit when it used to be fine
Sakurai seems to have a problem with things that work fine, he has to fuck with them and make them worse
Classic Mode on the U is overall trash for it's structure but also because 8-player is shoved into it and most of the stages aren't very fun.
>>318279437
what did you even prove? i just proved he isn't, backed by official sources.
meanwhile you're bitching how Cloud broke one of your made up criteria for guests other than Sakurai's and how he got in before a couple of shit-tier nintendo villains and the barrel-scraping rest from the DK/Metroid/Star Fox series
only valid complaint you put up was Samus being shit-tier and single player is lackluster
>>318280576
How do people get this fucking mad at Smash?
>>318280576
lel
>>318280752
This is honestly how I imagine all Gold Falcon players to be like when they play.
>>318280752
I can taste the salt
>>318280703
Legit autism
>>318280662
Just git gud or go back to melee
>>318279598
>DK has dick freeze voice
I'm pretty fucking glad Scooby Kong was not in this game. Fucking ruined MK8.
>>318281075
The amount of good you are doesn't change the game's objective properties anon unless you're using your goodness to reprogram the game.
>>318280269
>>318280576
>>318280752
>>318280821
Jesus Christ, what the actual fuck? There's something REALLY wrong with this dude.
>>318280821
>>318280752
>>318280576
>>318280269
Are there videos of this autist? Searching stripheR on youtube nets nothing.
Rage isn't the same without the screeching
>>318281402
Probably livestream/twitch archives somewhere, but I couldn't find them myself.
I'm still not really convinced that customs should be banned in tournaments to be honest.
They make some characters better and some worse, so what? The good ones wouldn't be so good if people had the time and incentive to get used to them. If a small handful of them are really that game changingly broken like villagers little plant that trips you whenever you go near it, then ban it. Outside of those small circumstances, it should just shake up the game and make it more interesting.
>No option to play with customs online
>Cant make your own 1v1 tourny online
>SP is kinda lacking
Those are my issues with the game itself as far as gameplay goes I do with it was a tad less defensive they are moving in the right direction each patch so there is hope the December update brings something new.
Also Rosalina needs a fucking nerf. Shiek might be number one but Sheik isnt broken like Rosalina is broken
>>318282107
I'd love for customs to be a side meta, but that doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
They're dead in the water.
>>318281402
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbxiLRnEWMA
Skip to 7:17. Not rage but he quits the game.
>>318282591
Oh man, watching that I can already imagine him complaining about the projectiles as he gets sniped by the boomerang
>>318282591
He has the For Glory Falcon playstyle down to a science.
The 3DS version existing.
-Ice Climbers cut because of 3DS
-half the stages are from old games because of 3DS
Though we should be happy that Sakurai didn't listen to Iwata and make only the 3DS version.
>>318282886
It really is amazing. He's like the perfect representation of FG Falcon.
>>318276462
>Battlefield Omega Mode
>There's no Multi-character Smash Mode in which instead of stocks you pick up to X characters
>Solo mode is really ass this time around
>Smash Tour is very boring
>Smash Run is disappointing
>Lack of good colors/costumes for the entire cast
>Items this time around are boring as shit; flippers still gone
>Character chants sound muffled, weak, and are ridiculously short
> Lack of unique death sfxs for some characters
Other than that, it's still the most fun I've had with Smash since Melee.
>Marth is still using Melee voice clips
I don't even USE him and I think this is just fucking disgraceful.
>>318277850
>list things that make the game feel less smooth, and want them to be changed
>gets told to just play melee
smash 4 fags everyone
Some older characters could do with a revamp
DK and Link come to mind
>>318283739
Don't even bother. If you dare criticize Smash 4, you just get called a bitter Melee tourneyfag.
>no subspace emissary because "muh spoiled cutscenes"
>>318283739
I play melee, not tr4sh
>>318283859
Damn shame, SE was three steps away from actually being a fun mode
>>318282591
>>318280821
>>318280752
>>318280576
>>318280269
>plays Falcon
WHY?
If you want to be competitive with Falcon has two things going against him
>he's not that good
>everyone knows how to deal with him as he is the Ken of Smash
how the fuck do you deal with big characters like bowser, his fucking ass bomb always kills me
>>318283859
thank god
think of all the money and dev time wasted on a shitty mode if done again in Smash 4
story was so fanficitious as hell, some fag on the internet made his own interpretation on it humiliating the literature society
It doesn't have PM Wario
>>318284263
>A game all about fanservice ends up playing out like fanfiction
Stop the fucking presses
>>318284191
>he's not that good
Falcon's pretty good. Most people just suck with him man.
>>318284191
but muh hype
>>318284225
Dont sit there while he comes flying down with the attack? You have all day to run away or just spot dodge
>>318284396
yeah man
nothing wrong with Kingdom Hearts
>>318284542
Dorf is more hype
>>318284627
Not in Sm4sh.
>>318284263
>Finally get some character interaction in a crossover game which is you know the whole point of a crossover
>This is somehow a bad thing
>>318284627
Only if it's Bizarro_Flame or Kage playing him in Melee. Anything else is a snoozefest.
>>318284627
Ganonscrubs are the only thing worse than FG Falcons.
At least FG Falcons are only in FG.
>>318284614
All of things wrong with KH is the OC bullshit. You are a buzzkill, anon
>>318284658
pre/present-DLC Sm4sh trailers seems like a better alternative
>>318284396
Smash Bros doesn't need some deep and edgy 10-hour story mode where we fight a Kingdom Hearts ripoff.
>>318284886
>Not a single one of the trailers has shown my husbando interacting with anyone or anything in any way, shape, or form
They're pretty shit, 2bh.
>>318284845
>SSE is filled with heartless/kirby enemy ripoffs
No dash dance, edges are lame, shiek.
General lack of movement options.
>>318285189
See, the thing is, if they had just used actual fucking Nintendo characters instead of dozens of OC donut steels, I think people wouldn't have complained nearly as much.
Its not melee
>>318276462
No true combos despite what Smash 4 players believe.
>Up tilt spam, up air spam. Somehow this is a deep combo
Also, edges.
And why the fuck is every throw for every character mostly useless? Who thought this was a good idea? Some characters have good back throws, but mostly, you're an idiot if you use anything other than DOWN THROW.
Can someone actually defend this down throw, up tilt, and up air bullshit?
>>318284886
I'd like to play it as well though being a game and all. Give it some good gameplay and writing and its going to do alright. I wanna see more of Meta Knight and Marth fending off hordes, Samus and Pikachu working together to escape Halbert, and so on, especially with the third party characters being thrown into the mix
>>318285316
KH had a ton of Disney, Pixar, and FF7/8/9/10 characters involved.
seem not much of a difference, even with the Game & Watch wannabees/Meteos OC in SSE.
>>318285473
True and deep are two separate things, Smash 4 has a ton of true combos even if alot of them arent 50 inputs long. Plenty of characters can deal a great deal of damage without using grabs to set up with true combos
My main issue is that Sakurai is still directing Smash. He's been holding these games back for quite a while now.
Part of my personal gripe is that the physics are pretty garbage. I play a lot with some casual guys and some competitive guys. Even the casual guys, when using their absolute favorite character, eventually want to get a little better at the game.
>I really want to practice spiking people with _____
How am I supposed to tell this poor soul- who can't even tell that the physics are crap compared to Melee's- that he can't spike well because the game has magnetic ledge snaps and basically everyone has amazing recovery options? (Unless you're Little Mac)
How the fuck does Sakurai assume that having momentum on your running jump is somehow "too competitive" or whatever excuse he wants to plant on it? Then couple that with the fact that the combos are boring and automatic (Sheik) and other weird balance choices (some invincible up smashes because... reasons?) and you get a whole lot of boring and random cheese.
Hell, the fucking ITEMS aren't even fun to use. Sakurai needs to fuck off, really. I have no idea how /v/ of all places still defends a man that ruins his own games on purpose just to spite a few people because he's been butthurt at them for years. It's literally the same thing you call out others on, but not Sakurai. Fucking why? Is it actually okay when Sakurai does it but not anyone else?
Mark my words: as soon as another Smash game is made WITHOUT that fucking guy, it's gonna be way better than Brawl and Smash 4.
>>318285692
Okay, fair point, but give examples please? Not trying to be a hater but I personally don't like all the down throw, up air, and up title nonsense this game has to offer.
In Melee in PM I'm constantly surprised by unique and hype KO's. In Smash 4, people get KOs the same way most of the time.
>Shiek down throw to Uair all day
My biggest complaint is how Palutena is basically doomed to be stuck with her trash default moveset forever because no one uses custom moves.
>>318285908
>In Smash 4, people get KO's the same way most of the time
Melee and PM have plenty of bread and butter stuff going on but you're not wrong. This Smash game is probably the one that is most reliant on your bread n butter. It's just the way it is.
The stages fucking suck. So many of them are ruined by hazards that make it so that you're fighting the stage more than the other players. I only ever play in Omega mode because of this.
>>318286204
>Yellow Devil
>Ridley
>They never fucking go away, and once they appear, everyone just stops fighting each other to focus on fighting the bosses instead
>>318276462
Can't play with online friends against strangers in matchmaking.
Matchmaking modes are timed and way too short outside of 1v1.
Can't use Amiibo's online.
Tournament modes have no teamplay.
Singleplayer sucks and lacks substance.
>>318286521
>Yellow Devil's attack pattern takes up practically the whole stage
Who thought that this was fun?
>>318286521
What's worse is that it's not like when you defeat them they go away for the rest of the round. They just come back five seconds later anyway.
I love how no one cared that squirtle and Ivysaur got removed even though they had orginal movesets
>>318285701
he gets the tiny details really well, but blatant, massive flaws stare you right in the fucking face
like symmetrical characters mirroring when they face left/right is so brilliant yet such a small detail
but then you got shit like no stage hazard toggle, no offline tournament mode (and matches won buy most damage done???), literally everything about customs implementation
smash is one of the only series id like to see scale back. trim worthless garbage like smash tour, movies, master pieces, trophies and their related modes. shore up the gameplay and make online modes more robust
>>318285908
Mewtwo has a load of combo starters that go on for a fair bit
ZSS can start off her nair
Fox and Kirby can start off their Dair's, Kirby has a quite particular nasty one if the foe doesnt DI well.
Admittedly most combos do start off of Dthrow since its the easiest way to set them up and often the only way given how much more defensive this game is compared to Melee but you cant discredit those combos all together, Doc and Mario can do a shit load by using Dthrow in their combos
>>318285701
nintendo and their ilk "get away" with this shit because they're just so out of sight, out of mind in modern day gaming
people lamented their decision making back when people paid an iota of attention to their brand. now people have simply taken their mind and money elsewhere. nintendo wants to be a premium brand yet they simultaneously strip their games for the absolute least common denominator, and are now beginning to turn the screws on mobile freemium garbage
>>318277318
I miss melee dash dancing, The one in Sm4sh is a helk of a lot harder to do
>used to be somewhat good at this game
>now choking almost every match
>fucking up recoveries left and right
>missing grabs and punishes
>getting hit by obvious moves that I know are coming out but the shield doesn't come up in time
>losing game after game
What happened to me?
>2015
>this still isn't an item in Smash
>>318288245
>They removed the parasol and the flipper and the barrel cannon
>>318276462
am I the only one person who likes smash tour its pretty fun when you have friends over
>>318284263
instead they waste dev money and time on a "not classic mode" and "shit run, which is even more RNG based and retarded than Mario Party"
I literally could not give a shit about any of your complaints.
>No way to know who's causing lag
>Bans idling and focusing on one player, yet somehow taunt parties always end up the same
>3DS stole many no-bullshit stages
>Nintendo still doesn't know what a search function is, so I have to enter a million digit code every tournament
>Too many loading times
>Reporting everyone made me have to reboot the console
>>318288524
To be fair, nothing about Smash Tour really seems that resource intensive. It's just basically a bunch of reused assets. The most effort that went into it was the All-Star Versus-esque match at the end.
So all in all, it was a waste of time, but a small waste of time. I doubt it took time away from like actual characters and shit like how SSE did.
>>318288418
flipper was replaced by the bumper so that's alright, but
>barrel cannon
>parasol
>cracker launcher
>cloaking device
>red shell
>fan
>Bonsly
>facing a Sonic, Pikachu, or Mario on FG
>as Robin the slowest character on the roster
>Sonic, Pikachu, or Mario in general
>>318276462
My biggest gripe is the reused voice clips. Mario, Luigi, Peach, DK, Wario, Pikachu, C. Falcon, Marth and a butt-ton of others have had the same voice clips for 7 years now.
I'm going to repeat that.
Mario, Wario and Luigi have the same voice clips in Smash 4 that they did in Brawl. You're telling me that every single Mario Kart, Tennis, Sports Mix and Olympics have warranted a call to Martinet to come in and record a new batch of "Wah's" and "Wee-hee's" but SUPER FUCKING SMASH BROS wasn't important enough to Nintendo to get some new samples?
And don't even get me started on Pikachu. Jesus Criminy Christmas. Pikachu's
voice actress, Otani-san, records Pikachu for the Anime series, meaning that she's been trained to give that single word, "Pikachu", as much personality and variation as possible. Sakurai and friends could have simply taken some voice clips from the anime, come to think of it, but noooo.
They wouldn't even need to get her to record new samples. They had plenty of Pika's and Chu's to work with over these past 6 years and what did we get? Nothing.
>But Anon! Who cares about voice clips? The game is good!
You know? That opinion is completely valid, however, I am of the firm belief that, when developing an entry into an established franchise, it's very important for each entry to feature sound mixing that gives this new entry its own identity that separates it from its predecessors. In this aspect, I believe Super Smash Bros. 4 fails dramatically.
Thoughts?
>>318289331
>Red Shell
>Bonsly
>Good
>>318289707
>not liking red shells + falco only on FD
>hating Bonsly
are you feeling alright?
>>318285701
>Part of my personal gripe is that the physics are pretty garbage. I play a lot with some casual guys and some competitive guys. Even the casual guys, when using their absolute favorite character, eventually want to get a little better at the game.
"Physics"? What is wrong with the physics? Unless you're talking about the speed of the game which is still decently fast by itself, I don't know what you're trying to say.
>How am I supposed to tell this poor soul- who can't even tell that the physics are crap compared to Melee's- that he can't spike well because the game has magnetic ledge snaps and basically everyone has amazing recovery options? (Unless you're Little Mac)
Just because recovering is easier doesn't mean you can't spike. It's still a very effective move to do, even though again Recovering is easier, but the ledges aren't THIS big.
>weird balance choices (some invincible up smashes because... reasons?)
Bowser's Shell and Mr. Game And Watch's Helmet are very hard and sturdy. What did you expect?
>I have no idea how /v/ of all places still defends a man that ruins his own games on purpose just to spite a few people because he's been butthurt at them for years. It's literally the same thing you call out others on, but not Sakurai. Fucking why? Is it actually okay when Sakurai does it but not anyone else?
Sakurai isn't ruining his own game, you just don't like the game and that's simply it. Deal with it.
>>318289687
This.
I heard Daisy's voice in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash re-used clips from fucking Mario Party 8 for fuck's sake.
>>318285701
Items are at there worst in Smash 4
>wind bellow is a 'i win' button and can take several stocks
>no fan
>assist trophies and pokemon are ass or god, no midde ground
>so much KI shit, makes items look bland. Why no Sonic items? Why no F-Zero items?
>Smash balls are weird, half the time they just float out of reach
>3-piece items never get used in timed mode For Fun because they take forever to spawn
>>318289687
well it goes beyond character sounds
character idle animations/menu sounds/victory themes + animations/taunts are also pulled right from Brawl. i like the game but it's absolutely Brawl 2
people harp on Fox's new voice, but the biggest crime is Mario's. the most famous voice in video games sounds low and raspy in Smash 4/Brawl like he has a nasty cold
>>318276462
>Final Destination only stages
This is my only complaint
I'd be okay with it if the "omega" stages at least had some different layouts. Even battlefield only would be better than FD only
>>318290052
>so much KI shit, makes items look bland. Why no Sonic items? Why no F-Zero items?
What can you even use from F-Zero? Also it seems third party series don't get items.
There's a lot of KI items because they're basically generic Smash items trapped within another game and thus it was easy to port over from Uprising.
Who's gonna make a thread for /v/kend tournament guys?
>>318289687
I was mind blown hearing Meta Knight's Smash voice for the first time, especially since the only one he had beforehand was that trainwreck in the anime. Too bad they did fuck all with it aside from the usual victory lines and taunts. Would have been cool to hear him have convos with the Halberd crew, given Sakurai's KSS boner.
Marth having the same fucking clips since Melee is inexcusable though. Also Dedede sounds like shit in both Brawl and Smash 4, but especially the latter.
>That fucking star KO scream
What the hell is this shit?
>>318288869
>>318288524
You have to remember that Sakurai decreed that every iteration of Smash Bros must have a mode that's completely different from what's on the other smash games or else it's pointless making more Smash Bros games.
>>318290397
Do Sundays even have /v/eekends?
>>318290394
>Also it seems third party series don't get items.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Boss_Galaga
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Special_Flag
>>318290424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXWZcG1KMjo
here's Marths english voice in that codename: steam game
it's good
>>318290484
Hmmm, now that you mention it I'm not sure ive seen them on sunday.
>shit gameplay
>too slow
>shit balance
>too many meme characters
fix this shit and maybe I'll buy it
>Robin has 4 male and 4 female outfits
>WFT has 4 male and 4 female outfits
>Olimar has 4 outfits and Alph has 4 outfits
>Villager has 4 male and 4 female outfits
>Little Mac has 8 normal and 8 wireframe outfits, 2 of which have a sweater
I will never not be mad. Especially Robin because colors are restricted to gender. I cannot play a blue female Robin or a red male Robin.
>>318290813
>>too many meme characters
What?
>>318290061
Could not agree more. In terms of visual style, Sakurai did his best to distance Sm4sh from Brawl, but he still fails because of the multitude of rehashed audio samples. Characters often evolve with their voice actors. Charles' interpretation of Luigi has changed a TON since he was first given a voice and even Mario's character has undergone subtle shifts between Brawl and Sm4sh. But, when you just reuse those voice clips, you are not accurately representing the characters as they are today. You're just putting a coat of paint on the same interpretation of the characters from 7 years ago.
That is unacceptable.
>>318290692
It's passable. Not what I'd pick personally, but it's better than hearing the exact same voice clips that have been coming out of his mouth for 14 years.
>>318276462
For the december Direct, I want a New gamemode. Smash tour is a disaster.
I dont care about more fighters as long as I get wolf.
>>318290862
>characters from franchises with +20 years of games to pull some cool alternate costume ideas from
>just Mii Fighter costumes instead
>Mii Fighter costumes of characters already in Smash like Link/Samus/Captain Falcon no less
what's the point? nobody likes mii fighters because no one wants to play as a stock avatar when you got all these high profile gaming characters running around
>>318289331
>red shell
>cloaking device
I'm okay with these being gone
Fan was bullshit in the best of ways though and I'm sad that it's gone.
>>318276462
>The menu layout is complete garbage
>getting custom moves are impractical. They're the most new thing and they are locked behind a wall
>Rolling is a very safe option
>smash tour bad
>Classic mode isn't fun. The final fight is not fun
>>318290692
Not bad. It pretty much sounds pretty much like his japanese voice but in english.
Maybe a bit too high.
The biggest complaint and personal deal breaker for me is the AWFUL putrid online
>>318290052
>>wind bellow is a 'i win' button and can take several stocks
>Proceed to complain about the infamous fucking Fan not being in the game
>>318291297
>The menu layout is complete garbage
Nah, it's god tier
>>318276462
>the gameplay is boring
>>318290890
>too many characters I dont like
That's what he meant.
>>318276462
>too slow / floaty to play
>terrible, awful, hurts my head to watch ledge mechanics
>no tech chasing outside of reading roll in
>all character have the same throw combos.... Wtf
>way too many easy recoveries, characters rarely have specific tech to them
This is truly trash.
>>318290813
>>too many meme characters
The fuck is this supposed to mean. What the fuck is a "meme character"? Is this yet another term for "Something I don't like"?
>>318291643
>combos are based around footstools
Its just boring to watch.
>>318291457
>Nah, it's god tier
>anything single player like classic is behind games and more
>the first thing under games and more is the vault, not single player
>despite it being on a touch screen gamepad, you cannot use touch screen controls to navigate the menu.
>>318291643
im fine with ledge stealing in a vacuum
it's the magic ledge snap range + massive blast zone distances + enormous, direct buffs to multiple recoveries that are the problem
>>318291707
Just ignore anyone who uses "meme" as an adjective.
>>318290548
Sakurai probably just put that in because Namco made the game. None of the other third parties have items in Smash.
>>318291873
This. I've recovered from places I flat out should not have.
pokeballs are shit
>>318291853
I was more talking about the visual.
Classic mode being in the end of a cave and no touch screen are problems though, but that's about it for me.
>>318291643
>too slow / floaty to play
More than couple of Millions of people seems to be able to play it somehow.
>>terrible, awful, hurts my head to watch ledge mechanics
>I can't handle pure changes
>>318292108
>No more Blastoise, Onix or Beedrill/Unown
No shit.
>>318291508
No what does this mean exactly?
>>318287248
I cared anon
>>318292161
I'm sure 80-90% of that group never played the fast one long enough to see that smash can be really fucking fast. Its just newfags, man.
When brawl was released at this same speed everyone threw a fit ROFL
>>318292252
This and the responses pretty much: >>318291643
>>318289843
What was the difference between the shells, anyway? I don't remember the red shells bouncing back from the edges of platforms in brawl.
>>318292557
Red shells would follow the player(s) closest to them, while green ones would just go in whatever direction they were hit in.
>>318291853
>despite it being on a touch screen gamepad, you cannot use touch screen controls to navigate the menu.
it's fucking idiotic
>>318292557
Red shells homed in on fighters.
>>318292418
Smash 4 is not nearly as slow/floaty as Brawl
>>318291508
Yesterday we had a tournament going on. 3 Shulks spamming counter and backslash, man, I haven't had a laugh literally out loud in a long while god this game can be so fun.
>>318292418
Smash 4 is half way between Melee and Brawl in terms of speed and flotyness I dont know why this is a meme
>>318292108
honestly this is one of my biggest complaints
assist trophies aren't executed well either
>>318293135
Assist Trophies are the worst idea Sakurai came up with, because it gave him an excuse to keep characters off the roster without having to admit he's either too lazy or too biased to put them in.
>>318293005
It can still be fun casual, like all smash bros. Serious play is lame tho.
>>318293305
this wouldn't be a problem if they were more like andross or sim city guy, not dark samus or literally who kid icarus
>>318293929
This. Keep the generic enemies, side characters, and objects as Assist Trophies. The central characters from franchises should be on the roster, no matter how "obscure" or "irrelevant" they are.
>>318290424
Fuck you guy, dub anime MK is the real one
>>318276462
My two biggest complaints with the game are the lack of Single-player content and the mediocre Pokémon representation. We have no SSE, and Classic Mode doesn't even have bonus stages anymore. We could have gotten a Pokémon from Gen 2 or 3 but they played it to safe and only included popular mons besides Jigglypuff, who is also from Gen 1.
>>318293305
Assist Trophies are great
filters off shit like unimportant side characters from one fucking game or not independent spinoffs.
Sheik being Zelda herself and a gimmick character is understandable at least, though still want her to be replaced by her alter-ego creator Impa in the next game.
>>318295543
They're fine for that, but when Sakurai puts characters like Takamaru, Saki, Isaac, etc into the AT bin, then that shit just won't fly.
>5 FE fighters
>3 Kid Icarus fighters
>2 DK fighters
>2 Metroid fighters
>2 Star Fox fighters
This will always anger me
>>318295863
something something little mac.
There's always hope for smash 5.
>>318276462
> no platforms for glory
> no 1v1 for fun
> lucina is basically roy, add roy anyway
> dark pit
> classic mode isn't classic
> classic mode rams 8 player mode down your throat
> exclusive modes are under cooked
> smash run has no online
> smash board is dog shit
> weird buffs, weird nerfs
> tournament mode options are shit
> menu was put together by a brain damaged toddler
> no break the targets
> could use a straight up 1v1 arcade mode for glory style
pretty much it
>>318295278
>lucario
Why don't they make a Fire emblem edition smash? It would sell well.
>>318276462
>clones/semi-clones still exist
>>318276462
100% with OP on Smash Tour.
fuck that shit.
>Only one map for Smash Run, loses replayablility after a while
>Mii Fighters can't be freely used online
>Smash Tour instead of Story Mode
>If it was New 3DS exclusive I would have a reason to buy a new 3DS and it could've included the fucking ice climbers people won't shut the fuck up about
>Lack of Squirtle and Ivysaur, Charizard was the worst one and he came back
>There are 6 equally viable weapons in Fire Emblem and only one of them appears in the game
>>318296051
I'll give you FE, but
>3 characters from the creator's franchise
>Wanting girl monkey, fat monkey, dumb monkey, old monkey, dumb monkey, etc
>Implying metroid has any other characters
>2 Star Fox characters are not enough for a franchise that isn't even popular in the country of residence
>Custom moves are tied to the retarded-ass shit equipment system
Cool way to make sure nobody ever uses them.
>>318296094
Doubtful, since Sakurai won't put characters with no upcoming games on the roster.
>>318296267
That doesn't bother me at all, really. Full clones should be converted to semi-clones, though.
>>318296343
Sakamoto/Anno created Kid Icarus you dipshit
Uprising was by Sakurai
>>318296460
>Doubtful, since Sakurai won't put characters with no upcoming games on the roster.
So when is R.O.B.'s new game coming out?
>>318293305
This is a crazy person opinion. Smash doesn't need 80 characters
>>318284264
This nigga gets it.
>>318296343
>no other Metroid characters
If you don't think Dark Samus and Sylux would have been good fighters, you don't know SHIT about FUCK
Also, what is wrong with wanting more monkeys
>>318296716
>Sylux
Yeah, Hunters totally needs a representative.
Also
>It's ok when Metroid has its own Dark Pit!
>>318277662
Wily Castle is the fucking worst. Who thought that would be a good idea?
>>318296716
Those are shit characters. I'd actually be in favor of less DK representation; cut Diddy next game
>>318296616
Him and Duck Hunt and Game & Watch are going on a great adventure together.
>>318297116
Can't wait!
>>318296512
My bad, still changes nothing
>>318276462
Smash Tour is the most garbage fucking shit mode in SSB history. Only played to unlock the Gayman Watch stage (IIRC), then never touched that garbage mode again.
It's even less fun multiplayer.
>>318296920
No, the Metroid universe needs another rep and Hunters has many cool characters in it. Sylux was the best, he was in Prime 3 too.
Dark Samus would have a completely different moveset to normal Samus, you can tell just by looking at the Assist Trophy
>>318296985
That's because you're retarded anon
>>318296716
like the majority of the other Metroid characters are no better than adding any of the FotM characters from the newest Zelda or the spinoff.
like Ridley, neither of them have a shot in Smash. (maybe as a assist at least.)
the Dark Samus Assist Trophy shows that Sakurai want to make it into a typical Samus clone
and Sylux has a long way to go to be a viable and iconic Metroid representative
>>318296616
He wasn't causing problems for the 3DS version, so he got to stay.
>>318296150
>A Pokémon who's shoehorned into everything
With characters like Wii Fit Trainer and Duck Hunt, Sakurai has proven that most popular does not equal best. I'd rather have more oddball characters than obvious, expected fan-favorites.
>>318297834
So the "won't put characters with no upcoming games on the roster" thing is just a clever way to avoid calling the 3DS an underpowered piece of shit then? Got it, family.
>>318296094
Takamaru got dropped as an AT with reasons behind it, so i doubt it.
>the only viable characters have free up tilt combos to 60%
>the only viable characters have little to no end lag on their best moves
>its rare to get a 3 hit true combo due to lack of hit stun
>the bullshit get-up attack stage spike problem that even pros get hit by because the game is shit and random
>all the bugs in the game
>no real dash dancing
>still floaty cause of no momentum
>the rage mechanic gives scrubs an advantage for being shit
tried it competitively for about 10 months and then quit. balance patches won't help the game because its nintendo making them and they have no idea what they're doing.
>>318297961
ROB's a veteran, so he has different rules.
If Takamaru, Saki, Isaac, etc get a new game in the next few years, then they'd likely get into Smash 5. Otherwise w can forget expecting them on the roster.
>>318276462
>TRAVIS TOUCHDOWN IS NOT IN THE FUCKING GAME AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL inb4 "Cloud is in smash so never is impossible"
SAKURAI YOU BETTER WORK THAT MAGIC NOW!!!
>No SDI so if you're caught in a multi-hit attack, you have no choice but to take all the hits
>>318298292
We can all dream too....
>>318296716
who the fuck is Sylux?
>>318298348
that is a good thing and stops a lot of multi-hit attacks from being useless like in the past games
>all this talk to throw -> [single normal move multiple times]
did they fuck with DI and SDI in this game?
i'm aware of multi-hit moves (called "barrage attacks" allegedly) having DI modifiers so theyre harder to escape, but one of the biggest flaws listed of gameplay is easy guaranteed bread and butter options, largely from throws
>>318297961
Duck Hunt got put on the roster. He doesn't have any future new games at the moment.
Only two major gripes with this game.
>Custom moves are a bitch to obtain, maybe if you didn't fucking get repeats it would be a hell of a lot better
>No "story" mode type thing
I understand Samurai was butthurt about cutscenes being leaked or whatever, but don't punish everyone for the action of one.
>>318298705
you're not a Metroid fan are you
>>318276462
Only one thing wrong:
Autists still keep pretending its a serious fighting game
Drop that mentality and its 10/10 fun as fuck
>>318298292
Well get I wonder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTAiDSF8ms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYVItXXWh8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h17v6jXuIM
>>318298814
No you can still DI and SDI out of most combos in the game, most bread and butter combos break down once the percents start to climb
>>318299046
played Prime 2, Other M, Super, 1 and Fusion
who is he?
The music jesus fuck.
It feels like more than a third of it is shitty remixes, one third is taken right from Brawl, and one third is from the source but butchered so it can be 2 minutes long.
>>318290785
>>318290484
>>318290397
Time for /v/kend >>318299128
>>318299271
>Played Other M
lol I'll take that as a 'no'
>>318297356
>muh reps
you don't even want a character, you just want representation. I hope Sakurai never listens to people like you
>Original music is just a bunch of remixes of the main theme
>Half the stages were already in brawl
>So much recycled audio, Charles didn't do a good mario in brawl but did good in MK8
>Smash Run isn't very customizable and players can't interact with each other during the run phase
>Smash tour is trash
>No break the targets
>No online co-op stadium
>No 8-player smash online
>The 3DS is a piece of shit that gimped the game
>Presentation is all over the place and didn't maintain a consistent atmosphere like 64 or melee, feels like a brawl expansion
>Unlocking music and custom moves is a nightmare
>No unique intro movie
>Takamaru didn't make it because they were unknown while nobody knew who the fuck Ness was when he appeared in Smash 64
>Announcer tries too hard
>My idea of fun is 1 hit KO items and stage hazards fucking you every 3 seconds
And this is all just content issues. The physics are too floaty and every move has a fuck ton of end lag. No jump momentum sucks ass too.
>>318299435
who is he, anon?
>>318299646
He's from Hunters (the second most hated game in the series) and had a small cameo at the ending of Prime 3.
In true metroidfag fashion, that anon's just being a dick.
>>318299046
like with ZSS/Ridley fans for Smash, Prime fans are also a different kind of Metroid fan.
>>318298705
mystery guy from Prime Hunters. said to have close connections and opposition with Samus and the Galactic Federation. also stole an experimental suit and weapon that was supposed to match against Samus' power suit. currently Kensuke Tanabe is pushing for the guy and said his story with Samus will be told after the backstory with the conflict with the Federation Force and Space Pirates.
>>318299628
>>Presentation is all over the place and didn't maintain a consistent atmosphere like 64 or melee, feels like a brawl expansion
What? How?
>No unique intro movie
64 was the only one that had a totally unique intro movie. Melee's was just the reveal trailer with gameplay scenes. Just like how 4's was the character reveal trailers mixed with gameplay scenes.
Really, it's just missing the SUPER SMAAAAAAAAAAAAASH BROTHERS from the announcer.
>>318300110
>>318300291
so a new guy in Metroid Prime? sound's interesting.
is Hunters any good?
>>318299628
>>>My idea of fun is 1 hit KO items and stage hazards fucking you every 3 seconds
this
I'm not even looking at it from the prospective of an anti-item autist, I'm looking at it from the prospective of someone who wants to goof around with items
Killing people in 1-2 hits with items isn't fun unless there's a great deal of timing or setup involved like with the homerun bat. It's fine when there's a few items like bomb-ombs that can deal high amounts of damage but when you have shit like the bullet bill and other fast hard hitting items with little to no risk involved the game becomes too easy
>>318300548
>is Hunters any good?
Multiplayer was fun but is dead now.
>>318300548
great multiplayer
cool concept on planet traveling
shit single players
now if Nintendo released Wi-Fi support on the NDS VC.
My only problem would be the for glory fanbase
Anyone that loses, and does nothing but approach with running grabs the next match literally need to git gud.
>mfw playing anyone and they switch to little mac, zero suit, sonic, pit or dark pitt the next match
>they leave immediately after
Worse than the japanese players at launch.
Holy fuck.
>>318295863
If they were Assist Trophies, then they were already knocked out of the roster from the beginning of planning. If Assist Trophies didn't exist, they wouldn't be playable, they just wouldn't show up at all. Be glad for your little cameo, it's all they're going to get unless something changes by the next Smash.
>>318298091
>The rage mechanic
It seems so useless, yet so broken on certain characters.
Good luck trying to approach furbait, gannondorf, Ike or Pac-Man while they're enraged.
>3DS version and WiiU must have the same roster/features
Who in Nintendo is behind this retarded idea?
>>318277193
>>Unable to shield Shulk's counter when it's activated
There's a canon reason for this though
