We all agree this is the worst one right?
It makes me miss Homecoming, which had better graphics and design, despite having a better combat system had a better balance between combat and puzzles, where this forces you to fight with its ridiculous combat system where enemies become temporarily invincible every 2 hits. Homecoming even manages to show a little more respect for the player by not having silly jump scares every 12 seconds where you run around a big pointless open world.
>>345310435
Yup
The rain theme was a neat idea, but the game felt like it was trying to capture the same lightning in a bottle that made SH2 good, but failed.
IMO the best outsourced SH game is ironically Shattered Memories, which strays far from the original series formula.
>>345310435
Homecoming was retarded, but had somewhat fun gameplay. I genuienly enjoyed killing shit.
Downpour started really good with the forest and the mines. I looked interesting, spooky, and you were actualy trying to survive.
Then you enter the city in it just goes to absolute shit. I still don't understand how they went from scary white monsters to buffed luchadores and grannies in police cars. It looked like a fucking bad parody of silent hill.
>>345310435
>>345310602
No way. Homecoming is awful, awful awful. It is action focused with fucking combo fighting system, it has terrible visuals and controls and the fighting is tedious and unfair. It has like 2 puzzles, rehashed enemies, action movie story where you blast monsters with your nigga friend. No, it's definitely the worst one. In fact, fighting monsters up close all the time made the game frustrating to me, which is the worst thing a horror game could be as it loses all fear.
Downpour has more focus on exploration, proper open world with side missions, fighting is simple but it should be like that, it even has puzzle difficulty that actually changes the puzzles.
Only downside to Downpour is to me, that it has a lot of technical problems and that it is not scary (but it is still more tense than Homecoming as you don't fight monsters constantly up close). The story is not great, but it's better than the one in Homecoming. They tried at least, with something else and new, while Homecoming just took stuff from previous SH games and said hey, this'll work. They didn't get what made SH good, Downpour team at least wanted to understand.
>>345311086
>the fighting is tedious and unfair.
Get gud
>>345310435
I agree,
however there was a big thread about HC vs DP, where annoyingly large pack of people would've rather played DP.
Downpoor was literally THE biggest buyer's remorse to me. I bought it from USA, as it was released only later in EU, and all the signs indicated that the devs were FINALLY going to get it right (not copy SH2, that is).
But boy, was I wrong. It's literally another "SH2 2.0", with the exception of there being practically NO story at all, as every ending changes the point of whole game! Without changing anything IN the game itself. The empty open-world with copypaste rooms and entire buildings was just annoying, and the game was plagued by terrible performance, horrible controls, and tons of annoying bugs. Murphy was also annoying as hell, and the game lacked Akira Yamaoka's music.
>>345311086
Sorry bro, but fuck no.
HC is at least playable and looks good for the most part. DP is just empty shell of broken promises, and totally butchered lore.
And like said, DP has no story.
But in the end, we're merely comparing solid turd to a wet diarrhea here. But I'd seriously much rather replay HC than DP. Or Origins.
>>345310435
Homecoming had better combat and enemy design. That's it.
Downpour attempted a new story (not just a rehash of 2) and had some fantastic areas and weather. The negative points - shit frame-rate, bland enemy design, and the DJ and postman - are still an improvement over "SH2 + The Movie: The Game".
>>345311394
Downpour had a story, dumbass.
>>345311537
I like the stupid postman
>>345311692
I didn't. He was okay up until he delivered that letter to Murphy.
>>345311086
>the fighting is tedious and unfair
You serious? The combat was TOO EASY in HC, to the point that you could stun-lock butcher majority of the enemies with your KNIFE. Because of this, I ended up having tons of gun ammo.
Now, DP's combat? That is just fucking annoying bullshit. And fuck anyone supporting that pseudo-Fallout design with side quests and shit. There's also literally no plot whatsoever, and the few implied shared elements are just amateurish shit.
>>345311537
>Downpour attempted a new story (not just a rehash of 2)
Yeah, maybe at some ALPHA stages.
The final product is literally SH2: America's McGee's Alice edition, with no cohesive writing
>>345311759
*don't
They should've never even approached the idea of explaining Silent Hill.
>>345311768
>The final product is literally SH2...
How so?
>>345311674
>Downpour had a story, dumbass.
Yeah, half a dozen different stories in fact, all depending on which ending you will get.
>He totally killed somebody!
>Oh wait, he didn't. Or maybe, he did? Or actually he could've caused a death of someone later on?!
>ANYWAY! He just feels guilty for something! His kid died too, so there's that!
>But wait! Actually it's not Murphy whose story this is at all! The cop lady just despises him for... reasons!
>Or not. Decide yourself! That's what SH is all about (tm)!
>>345310435
>Downpour
>Worse than Homecoming
haha funny joke, you should think about becoming a comedian.
Homecoming is THE single worst silent hill game. It looks worse than fucking silent hill 3 which came out in 2003.
A few decent boss designs and some good tracks does not excuse everything else, which was so fucking abysmal. I could list all the problems, but I won't.
Wasted potential is way worse than no potential.
What Homecoming has that is better than EVERY OTHER Silent Hill game except 2 is its soundtrack. Also, the monster designs were pretty dope.
As for Downpour, I kind of liked the feel of its version of the town better. The theatre puzzle alone was worth playing for just once.
>>345310435
Yeah, it's on par with the shittiness that is SH2.
>>345311954
I'm getting the impression that you're not very bright.
>>345311925
another personal purgatory trip story, this time with even more blatant implications of the town having a literal mind and rules of its own, to the point that it manifests itself in form of other people.
DP had all the right tools to get this shit right, but apparently Tomm Hulett itself stepped in the very last minute and reshuffled everything into nonsensical mess.
>>345312128
Consider suicide, contrarian.
>>345312180
>get proven you're full of shit
>"lol u must be dumb! :^)"
brilliant arguments. DP is still the most embarrassing title to ever carry SH's name. And yes, I know of BoM.
>>345310435
Pat says Homecoming is worse so you're wrong.
>>345311954
I thought they were doing a twist on the usual twist. We are made to think that Murphy's guilt is about his son's death. We don't find out until the end that his guilt was actually about directly or indirectly killing an innocent man.
>>345312240
>Plays like shit.
>Looks like shit.
>Shit VA
>Not scary in the slightest.
>Soap-tier story.
>Art college-tier symbolism.
Sorry mate. It's shit.
>>345312228
>personal purgatory
I expected more, anon.
You are right about the stupid shit with the town/DJ.
>>345312403
What even happened to the DJ?
>>345312276Murphy agrees to do a favor for a corrupt prison guard if he can get him alone with his son's murderer. He kills the guy in the showers. Later, the guard asks him to kill a guy who turns out to be Anne's father.
Depending on which ending you get, Murphy either does or doesn't go through with it.
Then there's the ending where Anne shoots him and she wakes up to find herself in prison and Murphy as her guard.
Simplifying and outright omitting information to try to make Downpour seems more shitty isn't going to work.
>>345312508
I'm guessing he was killed. That whole scene was retarded.
>>345312684I forgot to mention that Anne's father doesn't actually get killed by the attack, just severely crippled. Maybe even turned into a vegetable, iirc.
>>345312345
yeah, and it all could've been behind ANOTHER set of twists, where Murphy of the game was just the "PH" of the cop lady, who despised the real deal / someone else for killing his pops. This would totally undermine all of the implied Murphy's background stories and hints of kid killer being on the loose.
in short, there's no red string in the plot, yet the gameplay itself does not change one bit before the very end. All the things you experience are just floating setpieces with no purpose, other than to make things feel more cryptic and "cool".
>>345312684
you do know you're just re-confirming what he said? The game literally cannot decide what it wants to tell you.
>>345312824he gets crippled. the wheelchair guy you see throughout the game and fight at the end is supposed to be him
>>345312876
Wasn't there a comic that explained it? I never read it myself.
>>345313081
No.
However, the DP's postman is taken straight from one of the SH Comics, where he already appears in some late 19th century Silent Hill, telling how in said place, only what's "in" people is all that matters. If anything, his appearance is just a cheap cameo the devs decided to jam in.
I thoroughly enjoyed the Scarlet boss fight to be honest family.
>>345313249
everyone hypes this one, but I don't get it.
Sure, the doll's design is kinda cool, but it was literally the easiest bossfight for me.
>>345313308
>but it was literally the easiest bossfight for me.
oh fuck off
>>345313206
I just looked it up. I was thinking of "Anne's Story". It tells Anne's perspective throughout the game.
>>345311304
You shouldn't have to ""get good"" at a video game to play it well.
>>345313249
My favorite was the final boss. The face really gets me. I'd post it, but all the available gifs are shit.
>>345313345
We don't need you involved in our hobby, underage.
A lot of people in this thread don't seem to realize that Murphy isn't the main character. Anne is. Murphy is the protagonist but by and large, most of the personal purgatory trip is Anne's and Murphy's issues bleed into the world from time to time. Hell, by the end of the Orphanage then Murphy's issues are resolved, the rest of the game is entirely because of Anne.
I do think the multiple choice past was dumb though and really irrelevant, but I do like the theme of fundamental attribution error where people are quick to blame and judge others instead of the surrounding circumstances leading up to tragedy. It's way more interesting than Homecoming's rehash of Silent Hill 2 where the protagonist killed someone close to him and then forgot about it twist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFyeQI1idwM
>>345313614
If Downpour ran better on consoles, I would actually want an unlockable Anne scenario.
>>345310435
Two Silent Hill Downpour threads in two days? WTF is going on here?
>>345313614
I am well aware of the implied intentions of that being the case, but the implementation of it all is just plain shit. Why try to flesh out Murphy's character and his "sad past", if it really doesn't matter (or even exist?) in the end? Why keep Anne so distant and rarely shown character, if she's so important? And why the hell's everything in the game so cheap and generic??
>>345313614
You could tell that the developers of Homecoming were DESPERATE to recreate that twist ending of SH2, in fact all the western SH games have twists that involve "You are not who you think you are/were" or "You killed someone close to you".
On that matter, something that really pissed me off in Homecoming was thatAlex was revealed to be a fucking mental patient, This Completely ruined Alex as a character, who was a soldier. This retroactively ruins the sole reason he's so good at combat. The game straight up lies to you.
>>345314068
Yeah, the performance being dogshit, the numerous glitches, it not being scary at all and Murphy's pointless multiple choice past are the biggest flaws of Downpour and are why it isn't a great game.
I'm just saying, I think the core concept of Downpours themes are more interesting, even if the execution was shit, than Homecoming which was just Silent Hill 2's "protagonist is a murderer who forgot" meets Silent Hill 3's "crazy cultists" twists smashed together with no coherency.
Homecoming had potential is what I'm trying to say and some more development time and better editing could have probably turned it into a pretty good game. I doubt anything from Homecoming could be salvaged.
>>345314209
>Why try to flesh out Murphy's character and his "sad past", if it really doesn't matter (or even exist?)
It definitely exists, no matter which ending is reached. And it matters because Murphy seeking revenge is what got him into prison and Silent Hill.
>>345314209
It's not like the protagonist not being the main character is alien to the series beforehand. Alessa is the main character of Silent Hill 1 yet Harry is the protagonist. Walter is the main character of Silent Hill 4 yet Henry is the protagonist. The game not having the protagonist as the main character isn't a problem with Downpour.
I agree that Murphy's multiple choice past was bullshit and unnecessary though. It's nice that they tried to flesh him out a little so he wasn't literally Henry 2.0 but all it did was just make him inconsistent instead.
>>345314267
His father was in the military and had combat pamphlets lying around.
>>345314338
Didn't Homecoming ripoff that one drill scene from Hostel or Saw?
>>345314631
Yup. You had a QTE where Judge Holloway was trying to drill Alex's kneecaps and then eye sockets and it happens for literally no reason other than The Order are now really into Torture Porn now.
>>345314338
Ah shit, I meant to say Downpour had potential there. This is what happens when I've been awake too long.
>>345314090
some homecoming fag got assblasted over getting BTFO in the thread yesterday and had to make this angry thread where he samefags his shit opinions
both games were shit, Silent Hill in general is quite shit actually, as a franchise, only 3 and if you can get over the "babby's first symbolism fueled soap muh wife story" feel of the 2 are really worth playing, 1 didn't age well at all, Origins is a simple copy-paste, Shattered Memories is only playable on PSP, everything else is not worth playing at all. Downpour has atmosphere though, while HC has zero redeeming value, it's like fucking Die Hard 4, it tries to excel in the parts of previous installments that literally did not matter and threw off the balance of the whole experience
>>345314776
Actually, at least one of the posters defending Downpour isn't OP. I was in the previous thread as well.
I really liked Downpour until the Prison level. Fuck the Prison Level.
>>345314901
what? OPs trying to "shill" Homecoming here, not downpour
>>345314705
I remember now. And Alex just gets up and starts walking like it's no big deal.
>>345314996
Well fuck. My bad, anon. I've been awake for a long time.
>>345310435
>We all agree this is the worst one right?
The worst is Book of Memories.
Downpour was a fine try at doing something different, but was crippled by its horrifyingly bad inventory system and the worst, laziest enemy design in all SH games ever.
Enemies you fight in Downpour:
>guy
>another guy
>big guy
>fast guy
>guy in raincoat
>some sort of ghost spawning mannequin, which was kind of cool
>formless blob
>>345314982
What was so bad about it?
>>345315008
Yup. You'd think he'd at least limp or something and have reduced mobility, which would be an interesting handicap when you've been dodging around enemies and countering up to that point which coupled with the revelation that he never was a soldier, makes him a little sloppier to control but nope.
>>345314776
People can say whatever they want about Downpour, Everyone knows it's a terrible game, But at least it didn't ruin Pyramid head by trying to shove him into every scene and every collectible you found.
I mean holy fuck, He had no reason to be in this game other than BRAND RECOGNITION. He was James' monster, and they fucking ruined it.
>>345315107
Damn, what a disappointment. The Evil Within had something like that for all of 30 seconds, if even.
>>345315071
>>345314496
the difference between 1+4 and DP is the fact that 1 and 4 has their worlds and plot elements strongly tied to their "actual" main characters and their history, while DP doesn't even hint of such thing before Anne magically re-appears, after being assumed dead since the beginning.
>>345315273
yeah, because the raincoat+gasmask guy toootally is not a PH. :^)
If anything, the Movie not only established PH as the series "mascot", it also made a Nemesis-like lurking super monster a necessity for the series' games.
>>345315273
you can say that about every piece of SH media after SH 3
>>345315365Just a few more minutes, cute anime dog.
>>345315421
Anne appears a couple of times throughout though? Like when she corners Murphy and freaks out and is about to shoot him when she sees the cop badge on Murphy's change of clothes. She doesn't just disappear until the end of the game like you're suggesting.
>>345315618
Okay. I'll be back in 8 hours or less.
>>345315752
Sleep Well anon
