Everyone says that Shadow of the Colossus is one of the best games of all time. After playing it for a bit, I don't really see the appeal. The atmosphere and environment are nice but the controls are horrendous. I personally find zero enjoyment in slaying the colossus as well. Maybe you're not supposed to find enjoyment in it but the process of fighting them is tedious.
Is SotC one of those games that gets better as you play it more? I'm not really feeling it right now. This makes me less excited for The Last Guardian.
What you're witnessing is Sonygger syndrome - that is, they're more impressed by the spectacle and reception of a game than the gameplay itself.
>>345020910
Look, schmuck, just because some people love it doesn't mean you have to, you nerd.
Are you so devoid of social contact or community that you feel compelled to cling to the idea of including yourself into the community of a ten year old game, even when you don't like it?
Find something else to play, it isn't anyone's job here to try and convince you to enjoy something you aren't. All you're going to get otherwise is a shouting match and people taking the piss out of you.
But if you're intent on continuing your journey with a game you don't like, play the original version, the remaster is trash, not Silent Hill HD levels of trash but almost.
>>345020910
If you can't see the appeal then you're in the wrong.
>>345020910
your what 15 and its not cod so you prolly wont enjoy it
>>345020910
it age badly
It's an artfag game, nyggers just like games with shitty gameplay, but a decent story.
Sonyggers will also clim Journey is good, despite it being a walking simulation.
>>345023213
>if you don't like shitty games, you're and underaged FPS fan
Sonyggers remind me of sandniggers with their level of loyalty.
I loved it when it released. I still do. I'll never, ever defend that damn horse though. Man I hated that thing. Picked it up again a few weeks ago for the first time in about 5 or 6 years. Still hate that damn horse. In fact the only vidya horse I can think of off the top of my head I don't hate is Epona.
clunkiest game controls ever
It's probably more of an interesting experience than a decent game. You said it yourself, the atmosphere and environment are nice. You're talking about a PS2 game in 2016, keep in mind.
>>345023525
>>345023336
>>345023675
>>345023765
Are you bored today or something
>>345023525
Stop undermining yourself with shitty grammar and orthography.
>>345024708
Attack his arguments, not his diction
>>345020910
>This makes me less excited for The Last Guardian
it seems like no one is excited for TLG. People are more excited for Zelda.
>>345025364
Probably because that new zelda actually had gameplay, and looked fun.
SotC was the start of the minimal effort for maximum emotional impact wave that now dominates the AAA industry.
No one ever comments on the gameplay, they write essays on the themes and atmosphere and how in the end it was all for naught.
It's a meme. The entire game and Uedas previous game Ico are essentially just the shittiest parts of a Zelda game stretched into an entire game and are only slightly saved by their aesthetics. Ico was designed like a 4 hour version of Jabu Jabus belly with piss easy puzzles, escort quests, and all. SotC was basically just going over an empty field over and over again to get to piss easy bosses that are based around puzzles a 3 year old can solve, and if for some reason you can't solve it a disembodied voice will just tell you the solution over and over.
It's a "babby didn't play this game when it was new so he can't see the appeal" episode.
>>345025460
>Probably because that new zelda actually had gameplay
There's a lot of shit talk you can say about TLG but how are you saying Guardian doesn't have gameplay? didn't you even see the first trailer?
>>345025809
>didn't you even see the first trailer?
You mean the one from 2006?
I don't really remember it
>>345025809
Press X to have the AI solve a puzzle for you isn't gameplay.
I thought it was great.
>>345025195
His arguments are fine, his diction is shit.
>>345025918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLZvsSmBIs
>>345025964
It seems that the puzzles also involve you finding ways to help Trico, like in the trailer with moving objects to help him climb.
>>345026110
>he thinks this is the first trailer
>he thinks this is real gameplay, without button-prompts or a UI of any sorts
Are you new (at least to E3)?
>>345026316
>>he thinks this is the first trailer
where did I ever claim that this was the first trailer? This is just the actual gameplay of the game coming out.
>he thinks this is real gameplay, without button-prompts or a UI of any sorts
a Team Ico game that has no UI is not unheard of. Having less icons on the screen is Ueda's style.
>>345025195
He's not attacking anyone, though, and assumes a neutral position. He merely states that the other anon's post has really flawed spelling and grammar, thus most won't take it seriously or will simply ignore it. He doesn't state his own opiniom on the matter, but simply criticises the post. Learn2read.Why do I have to explain this shit. It's fucking obvious.
>>345021961
>>345023525
>>345023675
>>345025663
Nintendo cucks LOVE downplaying anything that's from SONY. They act like things can ONLY be impressive if it's from Nintendo, even if they're just doing what everyone else has already done.
>>345026563
You have a point with the latter there I admit, but for the former I refer to >>345025809
>didn't you even see the first trailer?
>>345026608
>f-fucking nintendo fans!
Nobody even mentioned Nintendo you autist.
>>345026608
>waggle the wiimote to strike the colossus
>>345027073
The wiimote era is (finally) dead
>>345027006
nintendo fags are the ones always throwing around "sonygger". even the supposed PC fanboys are just nintendo fags false flagging.
>>345020910
Look, schmuck, just because some people love it doesn't mean you have to, you nerd.
Are you so devoid of social contact or community that you feel compelled to cling to the idea of including yourself into the community of a ten year old game, even when you don't like it?
Find something else to play, it isn't anyone's job here to try and convince you to enjoy something you aren't. All you're going to get otherwise is a shouting match and people taking the piss out of you.
But if you're intent on continuing your journey with a game you don't like, play the original version, the remaster is trash, not Silent Hill HD levels of trash but almost.
>>345027307
But they're at a PC to shitpost on /v/ to begin with?
Related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvXD7BcL5cA
>>345026608
I grew up with a PS1 and bought a PS2 specifically for SotC and DMC3 because people said SotC was some masterpiece and yet it turned out to be stupid art shit. I despise Sony now specifically because that's all they ever make any more. Spectacle is the only thing they offer. Sony stopped caring about games the second they switched over to the PS2, that's why they let shit like Spyro, Crash, Medievil, and a bunch of actual game series die in favor of garbage art games. Now thankfully I have enough money to be a full Idort and just like the PS3 I've turned on my PS4 maybe twice this entire year.
>>345027349
>the remaster is trash, not Silent Hill HD levels of trash but almost.
Explain
>>345020910
it was unique in it's own way. objectively analyzing, especially comparing it to other games doesn't make sense because the experience is so very atypical. sotc is not designed to entertain you, i believe, it's more like a drama with tense moments and quiet comfy moments. if you don't like it, well, that's like, your opinion, man.
They should remake the game with all the content they removed.
>>345027634
not him but I agree to some extent.
for some reason playing in higher definition and 60 fps felt wrong. it might be because the washed out look and sometimes very bad framerate on the PS2 added to the atmosphere and without it, something subconsciously important is missing.
>>345026608
>B-But Nitenyearolds!
Literally evey time
As much as /v/ likes to be hipsters, I honestly believe that this game needs some type of sequel or spiritual successor to perfect the controls. It was amazing for it's time but now it's EXTREMELY dated.
>>345025195
>arguments
You mean the baseless conjecture and blatant strawmanning?
>>345028704
Attack him, not me.
He's probably gone by now anyway.
I don't get it.
I loved it after the first colossus
If you don't maybe it is not for you.
This is one of those games that is above console wars for me.
>>345020910
It's an early movie game, but it's also the best a movie game can offer.
Enjoy the atmosphere and environment, think about it every now and then and move on.
Maybe it can be put inside a real game sometime in the future.
>>345029301
>Maybe it can be put inside a real game sometime in the future.
Yeah, it's called Breath of the Wild
SephirothSword57... is that you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M81z1ewcE70
This is my all time favorite video of yours, sempai.
>>345028028
What did they remove
>>345031357
The game was supposed to have 24 colossi.
>>345021961
Nicely memed, kiddo.
Nicely memed.
>>345032649
Wow you sure proved me wrong!
>>345026563
Except SotC had a UI, it just wasn't always present.
>>345031592
About 40 or so, actually. They cut it down to 24 when they realized many concepts were rehashing others already set in the game, while the removed/unfinished 8 proved to be either too difficult to implement in the game/were similar to ones already in the game.
>>345020910
I also recently started playing it like a week ago and I just beat the 9th colossus, my only frustrations so far was me being an idiot and exploring that giant empty water place between the mountains because I thought it was the place I needed to go but it wasn't and the colossus was in another near by place.
The controls are fine, there is literally jump, attack, grab, I really have no idea how anyone could have trouble with the controls.
>>345020910
You only said that because you are a cunt and you'll never be able to beat #3 colossus in hard time attack in your fucking life. You niggers just lack the intelligence and skill/patience to beat him cry more faggot.
>>345032976
Not like you had anything to prove, junior.
>>345020910
I never played the game, and I might sooner or later if/when given the opportunity.
The game would have probably been better if you played it at your own free will, as in without playing it because of the fact that it is considered to be amazing by others. That just raises expectations more than what you would normally get, which, in the end, ruins the blind experience of not knowing what to expect.
>>345025364
I'm not excited for The Last Guardian due to the apparent lack of magic, mysticism and mystery that were in the other two.
It's fun on your first playthrough (well, was for me anyway) but it has no replayability. Once you know how to defeat the bosses, that's it. The game is over. The atmosphere is nice and so is the environment, but that shit doesn't make a game, it makes a walking simulator. And 90% of the map looks almost identical. It's fun and good but MASSIVELY overrated, at least the music is nice though
>>345020910
>That moment when you realize that wonder literally carry a dead rotten body to trie resurrect him
>>345027634
>>345028096
I can't be arsed to look up what the actual issue is but I'm pretty sure they fucked up the gameplay in the resmaster. I think it has something to do with it being a lot harder to maintain your grip than it's supposed to be, leading to frustration.
>>345027783
> a drama with tense moments and quiet comfy moments
How is this not entertaining? That's how dramas entertain people.
>>345034006
How is it lacking any of that? Game looks astonishingly similar to Ico and SotC.
I enjoyed the atmosphere, visuals, Colossi designs, the mystery of "what's next?", and figuring the fights themselves out. So it was enjoyable and memorable. That said, I was a tiny bit let down after all the praise I heard for it.
I always thought it'd be better to sort of combine Ico with SotC. Make us figure out the environment and solve puzzles on the way to each colossus. And personally I'd have liked to uncover some of those "post game unlock" items throughout the first playthrough and have them worked into the fights.
Why everyone says the controls are shit? I played in a keyboard and it was fine.
It's not for everyone OP. The controls are clunky at first but after you get the hang of them you can really make it work well. Personally I loved exploring a world nearly devoid of life, seeing all the different environments and ruins. The ending is what really made the game for me, and playing it subsequent times made me enjoy the story more.
Tldr; Its not everyone's cup of tea. If you don't like it now you won't like it 3hrs later.
>>345034848
People who barely played the game.
With that said, the controls aren't without some tricks that require getting used to.
>>345020910
If you hadn't played sotc before why were you even excited for tlg in the first place?
If you don't enjoy it, that's all on you, but it's retarded to blame the game as though it itself hyped itself to you.
>>345034006
the animal can shoot a laser beam from its tail
>>345038260
Now that's bullshit.
>>345022997
This thread should have ended here.
>>345038704
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-last-guardians-trico-can-shoot-lightning-out-o/1100-6440207/
it's more retarded than ico and sotc combined
>>345020910
Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are my two most favorite games of all time.
Your criticism on the controls has merit. They were made to be intentionally awkward and difficult to handle, but that doesn't excuse it from any criticism for being, well, awkward and difficult to handle.
If you're not a fan of minimalist stories that rely on atmosphere and have a severe lack of dialogue, it's probably best to avoid any of Ueda's games because those are his primary design philosophies. The actual gameplay can be somewhat lacking at times, and video games are a medium where gameplay is obviously important.
>>345038260
>>345038704
>>345038869
Sounds cool.
sotc is just a piece of shit, boring and repetitive as hell...
>>345027006
>>345028290
Not him, but >>345021961 is still a retard for trying to start console war shit. Don't act like >>345026608 is the only one who did something wrong.
>>345020910
The game is shit. It gets worse.
>>345038869
Huh, interesting. Doesn't sound too bad since it's not going to happen every waking moment. And probably means you have to set up enemies for it to happen.
>>345022997
Whoops, is this true? I'm up to colossus 8 as well and I haven't really noticed anything other than more framerate.
>>345034006
>giant eagle dog monster thing
>it can shoot out lightning
>lack of magic and mysticism
You're just trying to be contrarian.
>>345022997
>remaster is trash
Can you elaborate? I bought the remaster since Ico HD is had the content the American version didn't have, but what's wrong with SotC HD? Seems like the framerate is better, but is there something actually wrong with it?
>>345039140
Hey I was sharing my opinion, not inciting a flamewar at all. Do you see any flamewars?
I like everything about it but the horse controls. You should have the option to make the horse into glue to cling to colossus for longer.
>>345022997
No, he tried it, didn't like it and wants to know what the appeal is you fucking idiot.
>>345039623
not him but ico is okay since it's the EU version at 1080p but sotc removes some post-processing and because it's 30fps the climbing gets fucked up, it makes the itme attack trials nearly or factually impossible to complete or something
strangely enough hif you emulate it at 30fps the climbing stays the same. oh and it's only 720p.
>>345039623
He's full of it. Beyond the framerate making the colossi a bit too hard for time attack, there's no other flaw in the collection.
>>345039627
Although I agree with what you said, Nintendo fans have nothing to do with this thread. It's just some faggot throwing around sonygger like it's funny.
Also, calling Nintendo fans "cucks" is pretty much shitposting. If you have to call them anything at all, call thempretendos. At least it makes more sense, since throwing around a word you don't know (like cuck) is stupid.
>>345039912
>>345039945
also they didn't improve the graphics so what are you paying for really? better to emulate both.
>>345040074cheevos
>>345040074
They did improve the graphics, just nothing as serious as Ico.
>>345040198
>just nothing as serious as Ico.
what?
they just increased the resolution and removed shaders, that isn't making an improvement.
Best game of all time? No, but I finally got around to playing it a couple years ago. It's a neat game. Played nothing like it before. The wasteland could've used a little action. Discovering and scaling the giants was cool though. I enjoyed the bits of platforming too. Framerate is almost a buzzkill at times, my only complaint.
>>345040373
They did though, they improved plenty of the textures, such as the colossi "fur". It just wasn't as noticeable as Ico where they smoothed out things like Ico's feet and made the handholding less janky looking.
>>345040615
they didn't though.
>>345040780
They did, just because they didn't throw in a bunch of grass patches in random areas doesn't change the fact they did improve the graphics.
>>345041007
but because they factually didn't improve the graphics does mean that they didn't change the graphics. i don't know why you're lying about this.
>>345041076
I'm not lying, and don't misuse factually like some meming retard. They did improve the graphics, just nothing as substantial as fucking Ico.
>>345041189
you are lying. it's baseless.
>>345041189
and ico got nothing as well.
>>345041264
>you're lying because I say so
Not how it works, kiddo. I've literally played the game, and they improved everything about it.
>>345041343
Except it did.
>>345021961
I'm a sonygger and can confirm this is true.
>>345041356
>I'm lying with no proof
>>345041445
it's just the EU version.
>>345041572
What proof do I need? You can literally see for yourself that they improved the graphics. Just because it's not your fucking standard of improvement doesn't mean they got nothing. Retard.
>>345041356
>Going back to the open-source PCSX2 emulator, we ran Ico at an unimaginably high resolution with FXAA applied, and compared screenshots with the original PS2 title and the PS3 game running at both 720p and 1080p. In some sections where we thought we were seeing completely new artwork, we see pretty much exactly the same result that we get on PS3 - the resolution increase serving to "unlock" the latent detail in the original artwork.
>>345041741
God damn you're retarded.
>As you can see from the comparison video, native 720p proves to be a phenomenal improvement over the original and frame-rate is very, very solid. While the resolution boost isn't quite as revelatory as it is in Ico (like for like, PS2 Colossus is pumping out twice as many pixels as PS2 Ico), it's remarkable just how much detail is resolved from the shift to high-definition.
only difference in Ico is resolution and it's worse than emulation.
SOTC removed shaders and introduced a bug that makes the gameplay impossible at times.
>>345041902
Except it's better than the original you dumb cunt. Jesus, the only retard is you with this "it's not any different" bullshit.
I liked ICO but couldn't get into SotC
>>345042097
>They did though, they improved plenty of the textures, such as the colossi "fur". It just wasn't as noticeable as Ico where they smoothed out things like Ico's feet and made the handholding less janky looking.
>this got proven wrong
now your argument is
>Except it's better than the original
nice back peddling nigger.
>>345020910
it seriously is not one of the best games of all time
its one of the better games of all time, but there are loads of better games
>>345042258
You didn't prove me wrong you dipshit, the graphics were improved. Goddamn you're fucking autistic. And that wasn't back peddling considered I already said they looked better.
>>345042424
yes I did >>345041752>>345041902
quotes from digital factory :)
the game looks the same, it's just upscaled.
keep up the damage control nigger.
>>345042518
Upscaling is the same thing you stupid shit. Just because they didn't dump the games into a new engine doesn't mean they didn't improve anything. They smoothed the textures and improved some of the details from the PS2 versions.
>>345042698
this damage control is great.
>>345042923
>damage control
Keep meming, kiddo. It's really cute.
>>345020910
It is a good game but not as good as people make it to be. The soundtrack is one of the best though.
>>345030285
>SephirothSword57
>embed video
>that preview
I didn't press play, but please tell me it's some kind of parody.
>>345042969
>y-you're just memeing
lol nice one you sure told eurogamer off.
>>345043843
Whatever, shitposter. You're still wrong.
>>345039240
That isn't mysticism, and assuming the laser is magic, I am hoping for it to have a more prominent role in the plot/backstory.
And what is the mystery present so far in this game?
>>345043957
>I MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD
>AND I HAVE TO INSULT
you are so upset.
>>345044167
Finding out what Trico and kind are all about. Are they connected to the colossi? The horn colors are similar to some of them. And what do the living armors have to do with what's going on?
The controls really aren't the best, but that's mitigated by the fact that the only moves you really need during the game are grab, and grab stab.
In fact, I don't recall a single instance in the game where you benefit from swinging the sword. Is there one?
Other than that, I guess Horse controls also aren't the smoothest thing that ever existed
>>345044426
Never said anything about the last word, but please, do keep shifting the goalpost.
That's because you played it in a period where other games have ripped it off and casualized the concept.
>>345044725
Such as? The only games with serious SotC style climbing have been the shitty Castlevania reboot, some of the Gods of War, and that "homage" game Prey of the Gods.
>>345044625
This. It's been a long ass time since I played the game, but I can't think of a single time I used my sword for anything more than stabbing. Hell, I used my bow for more shit than I did the sword, shooting those lizards down with the bow was fun.
>>345044625
>I guess Horse controls also aren't the smoothest thing that ever existed
That's kind of the point, though. They wanted Agro to feel like a real horse, and real horses aren't like cars where you can just expect them to always go where they you tell them to. Of course, she wasn't 100% like a real horse, which is probably one of the main reason Ueda has spent so long making Trico as animalistic as possible.
Wonder if Last Guardian will have a seamless world like SotC, or broken up like Ico. I dug how in Ico the geometry largely matched up even when looking at areas from a distance.
>>345044852
Not that guy, but Dragon's Dogma reminded me of it. I rather liker it though, both games. SotC isn't about action, it's more of a puzzle game with some platforming.
Just becaue you don't like a thing, OP, doesn't mean it isn't good or others can't like it themselves. I think Smash Bros is one of the dumbest things ever made, but that's doesn't mean it's a bad game or that other people don't enjoy it where I just don't get it.
>>345025663
Somethings don't just service you, they require you to feel something.
>>345045708
Oh, almost forgot about that. Though the climbing in that was very wonky. What with having little control of where you could climb, and most of the monsters being too smaller and you felt like a kid worming around a grownup rather than trying to tussle with a giant.
Also, not OP.
>>345045670
>>345023213
Never expect intellect in a console war thread
