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TL;DR: SOME STAR CITIZEN RUBE DEMANDED REFUND, ACTUALLY GOT IT BY GOING TO THE DISTRICT ATTOURNEY AND FTC, LAWYERS NOW SMELL BLOOD
>A dissatisfied Star Citizen backer has managed to earn a full refund of $3,000 USD from Cloud Imperium Games, in a struggle dating back to mid-June. The backer, who goes by the name ‘Streetroller’ (their real name has not been shared), successfully received their refunded sum after filing a complaint with the District Attorney of Los Angeles.
>Correspondence between Streetroller and Cloud Imperium Games (CIG), as well as letters between the California DA’s office and CIG’s legal counsel Ortwin Freyermuth, can be read here. They were originally posted on the SomethingAwful forums.
>In the correspondence with CIG, Streetroller contends that he is entitled to a refund because Star Citizen “remains unfulfilled and no longer constitutes the product(s) I originally purchased”. That refund request is swiftly denied, with CIG citing their Terms of Service. Specifically, a passage which states: “For the avoidance of doubt, in consideration of [Roberts Space Industry’s] good faith efforts to develop, produce, and deliver the Game with the funds raised, you agree that any Pledge amounts applied against the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost shall be non-refundable regardless of whether or not RSI is able to complete and deliver the Game and/or the pledge items.”
>Here’s where things get quite interesting. While that particular passage has been in the ToS since the beginning, Streetroller cites a different passage which potentially contradicts it. The passage Streetroller quotes was altered by CIG back in June. Streetroller says he never agreed to these ‘updated’ ToS.
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>>344978720
>That older passage, which can be seen here via ‘Wayback’ internet archiving, stated: “You agree that any unearned portion of your Pledge shall not be refundable until and unless RSI has failed to deliver the relevant pledge items and/or the Game to you within eighteen (18) months after the estimated delivery date.” The original estimated delivery date given on the Star Citizen Kickstarter was November 2014.
>Streetroller also cites a Washington State case from July 2015 in which the Attorney General enforced fines on the Kickstarter project Asylum for failure to deliver to backers. The cases of Asylum and Star Citizen are not identical (Altius Management effectively went missing and stopped all communication with backers). However, the success of the Asylum case implied that crowdfunding backers are covered by the Consumer Protection Act.
>Under that Act, if a consumer (Streetroller) agrees to a specific date of delivery (which would be May 2016 under the original ToS that he signed; eighteen months on from the November 2014 Kickstarter deadline), they are entitled to a refund when products are not delivered.
>CIG disagree with this argument, and reject the refund request for a second time. At this point Streetroller files complaints with the DA of Los Angeles, Federal Trade Commission, and LA Department of Consumer and Business Affairs (DCBA). After that, things start to actually happen.
>Streetroller receives an initial refund of $900 USD through Amazon Payments on 23 June. Then, on 29 June receives three official responses to his complaints. You can see the response to the complaint filed with the District Attorney on the page linked previously. It comes with correspondence from CIG’s Ortwin Freyermuth, who once again disputes Streetroller’s right to a refund on ToS grounds (claiming that “None of the revisions to our ToS have affected [the] complainant’s position”); before eventually agreeing to give him one anyway.
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>>344978812
Two days later, on 1 July, Streetroller receives denials for his initial PayPal refund claims. However, on 12 July the rest of the unclaimed money ($1,660) arrives via PayPal refund. That totals $2,560, so either some of the refunds weren’t documented in Streetroller’s post, or they were rounding up to $3,000.
Whether the Star Citizen Terms of Service (either the first set or the revised set) would actually stand up to serious legal scrutiny, particularly when you get down to what constitutes an “earned” or “unearned” (the language used in the older ToS passage) pledge, is an open question while they remain untested. It’s probable (though can’t be stated with absolute certainty – I am not a lawyer) that legislation like the Consumer Protection Act, if applicable, would take precedence. In this instance though, CIG have opted not to push the matter further by simply agreeing to Streetroller’s refund request.
The story doesn’t quite end there, because on 11 July (one day before his PayPal refunds show up) Streetroller was contacted by an investigator from the LA Department of Consumer and Business Affairs. After an hour long discussion about Star Citizen, Streetroller says he was told to encourage others to file complaints against CIG with the DCBA.
>>344978878
Source is http://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-backer-earns-3k-refund-contacting-us-district-attorney but you faggots never like direct links so I just copy pasted 95% of the article here
>>344978720
>$3,000 USD
Why are these idiots donating so much to these projects? They aren't investors. They're getting nothing back other than the project.
The whole project seems stupid because there's no cap to the funds raised. They should have said first 20-30 mil goes to making game 1. After that, it's Expansions. After that, it's sequels. This keeps the project relatively small, and focused. There's no way that a 117 million dollar game will live up to expectations.
Right now it's the 6th most expensive video game EVER.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop
When it goes down it's gotta be much better than TORtanic could ever dream to be.As a kid I played Elite on ZX Spectrum, and when I've heard there's going to be a new Elite game, I knew it was the only worthwhile spacesim revival game.
Totally forgot this game was still a thing.
>Hi, I'm some guy with some connection to a game you're very nostalgic about. I made that game. Give me millions and I'll make a game just as good!
Why do people keep falling for these scams?
>>344979064
but anon, muh vision
>>344979260
Iga actually delivering Bloodstained tho
>>344979064
>Right now it's the 6th most expensive video game EVER.
Only if you factor in the marketing costs of other games. On pure development costs Star Citizen is the FOURTH most expensive game ever.
>>344979260
Tim's just shit at resource management, but that doesn't make him a conman.
>>344979702
>>344979064
Can you list the whole top 10 or whatever?
>>344979741
>DF9
>>344979815
It's here
>>344979064
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop
>>344978720
I think star citizen is going to be the best space sim when it's done but i STILL want to see this kill them because of how annoying this game has been for me since it was funded.
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT UNTIL ITS DONE
STOP TRYING TO SELL US THE 4000$ "LIMITED EDITION" SHIP THAT WILL NOT ACTUALLY BE LIMITED EDITION YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>344979741
DF9 never finished
Broken Age Aweful and Split
Epic Chalice was aweful
I used to love him too Anon but the time has come to accept he's actually a shithead and it's only been the lash of a publisher holding him in check.
>defeat
>defeat
>defeat
>DEFEAT
>DEFEAT
>>344980073
LET THE PEPE'S HIT THE FLOOR LET THE PEPE'S HIT THE FLOOR LET THE PEPE'S HIT THE FLOOR WHOOOAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
>>344978720
CIG\RSI was not ordered to do anything, the ToS was not challenged. They willingly refunded the guy because hes a prick.
Sorry Goonie.
>>344980051
Good way of fixing that would be close the campaign once the initial goal is over.
>>344980051
Kek
Sums it pretty well
>tfw no freelancer 2
>>344979852
>>344980071
>DF9
>Epic Chalice
Honestly, who ever cared about those?
Broken Age is an ok adventure, especially considering it's a kickstarter-original game.
>holding him in check
I agree that he should be held in check. But as I said, that's just because he's not a good businessman. He doesn't just steal people's money and fuck them up on purpose.
>>344980249
>>344980247
It does kind of skip over the part in the middle where they go "Okay I think we're definitely funded now" before the community scream "NO MORE STRETCH GOALS DO IT"
Roberts is a well known fraudster
>>344978720
CIG chose to refund him, they were't ordered to. They did the same thing to other troublemakers as well.
>>344978720
>>344978812
>>344978878
Is this Derek or Beet_Wagon, I get you buttholes mixed up all the time.
>>344980387
To be fair it was a pretty petty sum compared to donators of note and Chris's own bank balance. Making stupid drama over it would cost more.
I paid 30 or 60 bucks. I don't remember how much and I don't fucking care. I just preordered a game that may or may not fulfill my expectations.
Not a big fucking deal.
>>344980470
Precisely why they kick backers out of the project when they start doing this shit.
>>344980387
>troublemakers
>>344978720
>I tried to hold my pledge hostage by threatening Star Citizen with legal action and they refunded me instead!
Rofl get fucked goon
>>344980291
>Honestly, who ever cared about those?
I did
>he's not a good businessman
He's also not a good DEVELOPER. He fucked Brutal Legend too. He's an idea guy who needs to be working in creativity departments. Not a manager, not a producer, not even a director.
>>344980467
If it was Derek he'd be shilling his own gameI just saw it on my news site and decided to post it here
>>344980387
>say no twice
>get the FTC and DA involved
>suddenly give refunds
>while simultaneously saying they will give no refunds
Suuureeeeee anon-kun.
While they certainly weren't legally compelled to do so, they were compelled to do so by the legal POTENTIAL of the situation.
>>344980291
>It's okay that DF9 was terrible because no one cared
Are you fucking having a giggle on 4chan?
>>344980291
>He doesn't just steal people's money and fuck them up on purpose.
Uh, have you seen how fig is set up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFX0f_YUn1I
>>344980051
>it took him three months to put a garbage sketch together
Sounds about right, except the players are screaming "WHERE IS MY PLAYABLE GAME?!" while the guy sits in his chair masturbating with lube made out of shredded 100$ bills.
>payed 250 bucks back in 2012
I think I have the constellation and lifetime insurance on it and tons of other shit. Should i get a refund or would it be worth it to sell my account to some delusional fag on the star citizen reddit? last time I checked an account with the pledge and rewards that i have goes for 500 bucks.
>>344979260
>bloodstained is a bad game meme
keep trying to force it mightyshill
>>344980674
hold onto it then sell it when this shit either pops, or the game actually releases. It can only appreciate in value
>>344980753
kek.
>>344980627
>they are still selling DF9
That's even more of an insult
>>344980624
>get the FTC and DA involved
They were absolutely not involved and never have been. Derek Smart was refunded for the EXACT same reason and someone filed a FOIA request for his claims of having an FTC involvement going and it was found there never was any FTC involvement.
Anyone who starts acting like this gets their money back and told to fuck off. These people don't want refunds, they want to hold onto their pledges and make threats over it.
And CIG said refunds will still be handled on a case by case basis but not open to everyone.
>>344980674
If it does sell for 500 bucks, someone is legitimately retarded.
Like someone who thinks 2012 money's worth anything today.
i think i put in $40 when it was first announced
what have they done so far? is there a release date?
BRAVO CIG
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>>344979914
>Final Fantasy VII
>a 1997 game
>is top 4
HOW?
>>344980925
>/v/ defended this
Jesus Christ
>>344980887
Squadron 42 Winter, Star Citizen 2017(doubtful).
You can fly around a gas giant, do fps shit, buy clothes and guns, and do EVA shit vs ai or players.
>>344980831
>Anyone who starts acting like this gets their money back and told to fuck off. These people don't want refunds, they want to hold onto their pledges and make threats over it.
From article it seems like he only wants his money back.
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>>344980831
>starts acting like this
the guy dsidn't try to hold the game hostage, he legitimately just said "give me a refund" and they said "no"
>didn't get involved and never have been
Pic is from the article. It's just a form letter but it shows that a complaint WAS filed and they DID investigate
>>344980887
No release date but the basic gameplay loop is out, DayZ style.
Being ported to Vulkan and gameplay getting slotted on as it's finished. Story mode possibly end of the year.
>>344980820
>31 recent reviews
I don't get why people would buy a game with mostly negative reviews. Like say what you will about the review system but if only 30% of players enjoyed a game then maybe it has some serious fucking issues when average games can hit 80% positive
>>344980974
/v/ has been shitting on it for a long time anon.
>>344980931
40 million dev costs + 100 million marketing + inflation = 214 million dollars.
What, you thought broadcasting tv ads all over Western tv was cheap? It's the only FF game I can think fo that had tv ads.
>>344980931
It cost a lot of money.
>>344981025
Comparing Star Citizen to DayZ is an insult to DayZ and I didn't actually think you could insult DayZ worse than its developers have.
At least DayZ is a game. It's a letdown and will never be the great game we wanted but it is at least fundamentally a game and not a tech demo.
>>344981103
This, TV ad's are a huge fucking money hole, and ironically if research is right not even that effective.
>>344981003
Nope, hes just another goon doing Derek's work for him.
>>344981009
Yes that's the acknowledgement of a complaint. Again no action was taken and no action would have been taken.
>DID investigate
WRONG, there was nothing confirming an investigation. Plus anyone can file an FOIA request to verify that.
>>344981103
>>344980931
It also just so happens to be the one FF game that everyone knows.
>>344981182
For me they were effective. It was the first time I had heard of Final Fantasy. It looked so cool.
>>344981213
>Again no action was taken and no action would have been taken.
I've got article source, what do you have?
>>344981213
>Nope, hes just another goon doing Derek's work for him.
That seems more a conspirancy theory territory to me.
>>344981275
Show me evidence action was taken and there was an investigation besides green texted words right from the fingers of a Derek Smart cultist.
>>344981230
>>344981264
I should probably qualify, they're not that effective TODAY. And this is based on political, not commercial research.
>>344981320
Derek posts on SA, he got their entire forum shut down for doxxing people who were "bothering" him for a few days, hes since moved to a discord channel with other SA posters who basically wring their hands together all day about their master plan to kill star citizen.
>>344981323
http://www.pcinvasion.com/star-citizen-backer-earns-3k-refund-contacting-us-district-attorney
>on 11 July (one day before his PayPal refunds show up) Streetroller was contacted by an investigator from the LA Department of Consumer and Business Affairs. After an hour long discussion about Star Citizen, Streetroller says he was told to encourage others to file complaints against CIG with the DCBA.
>>344981340
Wait, you mean political ads? Yeah, those aren't very effective. Commercial ads are a different story.
>>344981164
>At least DayZ is a game
That's an insult to games like SS13.
>>344981340
Oh advertising campaigns on television are DEFINITELY effective today.
Clash of the Clans? GTA V? Most CoD games? Skyrim even?
These games don't accidentally move 20 MILLION units. They put heavy investment into advertising and make sure e v e r y o n e knows its there and they must buy it.
>>344981393
Yep that seems something Jesse Ventura would talk about on his show.
>>344981412
Not seeing any actual evidence or formal reply that action has been taken. You do know you receive documentable proof action is being taken on your complaint request right?
Since he didnt post it, he doesnt have it.
I could literally get the same piece of paper filing a complaint that Moot if a faggot.
>>344981393
scam shitizen is actually a scam though
>>344981531
Hows that? Should we just stop having games if they don't live up to a standard set by a guy on the internet?
I love SS13 and will always love SS13 but its not the only game and honestly what standard can it really set because what can live up to freaking Space Station 13? It's one of the best games ever made.
>>344981583
No it's not
>>344981583
Nope, its just taking a long fucking time.
>>344981460
>>344981545
FF7 also came out in the late 90's, well before the ubiquity of the internet or social media.
Frankly i'm convinced that modern tv ad's for 'core' games are mostly ineffective depending on your Genre. Unless you're shooting for cawdooty audience OR casual audience, you're 'core cgamers'. Dudebro's and little sisters, basically. Who admittedly ARE a huge audience.
But for a final fantasy today? huge waste of dollarydoo's.
>>344981578
OK, fair enough. You're probably right, there's a good chance he's a derek smart shitter.
Star Citizen is still a cucktastic scam though.
>>344981691
>>344981663
Breeding Season isn't a scam, it's just taking a long time :^)
>>344981264
I hate you for proliferating the FF7 meme of it being the best.
>>344981696
>Star Citizen is still a cucktastic scam though.
Im perfectly ok with you thinking this, as long as people dont gargle Derek's cock and all the bullshit he spews from his mouth.
Crowdfunded games should get their chance to either succeed or fail, not have some daddy inheritance nigger harassing them at every turn running a smear campaign.
>>344979914
>enter the matrix
>2003
>67 million
Wew lad
>>344981663
>>344981691
prove that it's not a scam. pro tip: you can't
>>344981663
>>344981691
>>344981850
It has over 300 people working on it? Sounds like a shit scam where 300 people are getting paid to make a game.
>>344981696
I don't disagree with you but I do think that television adverts have been replaced with social media and "viral" marketing. It's cheaper and can be extremely effective. Especially for the cost.
>>344981824
It's funny because that game was shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
>>344981654
Just saying DayZ has no objective at all, but as far as sandbox MMOs go it's also extremely gimped if it was ever having a chance in the first place. Star Citizen has basically more or less the same with the ability to roam in a massive area and gank people, but also has persistence so when you quit the server and join a different one you keep your progress/status.
SS13 is an example of something that's also quasi-game but I tried to phrase it as such it's superior to DayZ. Honestly, if I had time and know how, I'd be coding for SS13 because it's *THIS* fucking close to being a proper game with a proper game loop in my opinion, but it has too many gaping holes that let RPfags and validhunters destroy the round progression then either autismfort or wipe the slate clean too often to keep anyone interested.
>>344981103
A Realm Reborn had commercials popping up too. I really want to say 10-2 got them as well.
>>344981914
okay now I don't think its a scam but if you think that scams can only be perpetrated by a few people or that every hand has to actively be involved for it to be scammed, then you're an idiot and need to look up pyramid schemes.
>>344981914
>tfw you will never get paid to work on a thing that doesn't exist
It used to be you could only get jobs like this if you worked in technology development for the military or DARPA. Now the Civies are getting in on the act.
>>344981914
then show me the payroll
all i see is $20,000 coffee machines, $50,000 custom doors and a $30,000 couch
>>344981824
The Matrix was once thought to be the new Star Wars in terms of how popular it was predicted to be.
>>344981961
Bullshit it was. It might not have been the first game to have bullet time I'm not sure, but it sure as FUCK delivered and was awesome.
>>344978720
>They were originally posted on the SomethingAwful forums.
Ofcourse.
So the goons are out to try to fuck something up they can't get any power over. I didn't even buy into this shit and I know enough about the goons that they're probably shilling this meme because they lost a forum war in some shithole or couldn't harass some devs into sucking on their cocks.
Give up you tranny loving fucks. You'll never be 2006-core.
>>344981961
It was fun. Pretty good CQC, cool hacking minigame. Extra movie scenes (that ate the whole budget). Dunno why are you hating on it so much.
>>344982104
It might have actually been if the second and third movies hadn't been a step down. They were good and an acceptable conclusion but they weren't on the same level as the first.
>>344982119
>muh goons
>muh Derek boogeyman
>>344978720
i got a refund for tim shafers 3 million dollar meme back in the day before it was cool
was only $30 but still
Kikestarter is a piece of shit but sometimes they do deliver.
I enjoyed the crap out of the other games that eventually got finished.
Its just most of the devs are scummy and or turn scummy
Carmageddon Reincarnation Max Damage update for one
>>344981986
That's the beauty of SS13. You can mold it into what you want.
But yeah you're talking about star citizen as if you can do any of those things. The discussion isn't about its purported future. It's about the game, which should have been out by now but has no end in sight, having none of what you look forward to and being a scam.
>>344982239
>muh forum wars
>muh furry power grab
>muh tranny mods
>muh do it for free
>>344979128
And then you realized it's an always online grind with nearly no player interaction and nothing to look forward to.
>>344981961
No it wasnt that shit. I just found it interesting that it cost more than tw3 and it wasnt THAT good. But if you didnt have fun fighting agents and that chinese guy on top of tables than youre not human.
Is based Tony going to give an interview today?
>>344982262
Kickstarter rewards people who can weave great promises, not people who deliver. The coolest kooler story is pretty apt. Hype up a cooler as the COOLEST thing ever that has all this shit. In the real world it's heavy and impractical.
Also rewards people who have tangential connections to games to profit on them. Inafune was only an artist and producer for the series. His involvement meant making promotional art, making some character designs, and then sitting in meetings, and okaying projects. Drawing and corporate shit. He never made the games, and was no "visionary". But because he was "the mega man guy" everyone thought he was, and gave him millions.
>2011
>all these great space games to look forward to
>the space genres finally coming back!
>2016
>The only thing that turned out good was FTL and no one saw that coming
Fucking fuck.
>>344982502
Yeah like this infamous flopoh no wait he's kikestarter one
>people are finally realizing this cancer scam scheme
Thank god.
>>344982528
And there is nothing with any potential coming any time soon.
>>344978720
>>344978812
Too long will not read.
>>344982779
Yeah but I can accept nothing more readily than being let down.
>>344980475
If you don't need money, can you just send it me instead? I promise I'll make canonical Freespace 3. It will take some time but it will happen.
>Falling for the goon's narrative
>Again
Pretty much living proof /v/ is too fucking young
>>344982528
>FTL
Man that was a great game
>>344978720
>mfw I didn't give a single penny to these dirty jews
Feels good.
>>344980228
They willingly refunded him because they knew it would be even worse for them if he took them to court. They want this under the rug as soon as possible otherwise other people who didn't think they could get a refund will try for it. A court case would cause it to drag out for a month or two at the least which would mean more time people talking about and spreading the word.
>>344982979
Forum sliding is too easy on /v/
>>344983404
Why did you spend 10 bucks to post on a forum?
>>344982979
>goons narrative
>the only interest I have here is someone got a refund for a kickstarter
lmao
>>344983698
Why would you be interested in that?
>>344980071
And again /v/ demonstrates it has no understanding of what a con man is.
>Procedural Generation R&D Team – This stretch goal will allocate funding for Cloud Imperium to develop procedural generation technology for future iterations of Star Citizen. Advanced procedural generation will be necessary for creating entire planets worth of exploration and development content. A special strike team of procedural generation-oriented developers will be assembled to make this technology a reality.
2 years ago.
>modern battlefield games are more and more cod-like, lesser than the already-quite-shitty tier BC2, even worse than god-tier BF2
>Despite all this, BF1 will BTFO overwatch
>every other game genre suffer from same casualness, no NWN 3 / rpg game with multiplayer PVP + serverlist + toolset
>Most successful space sims have been arcade games, freelancer and freespace, sim games being niche
>Maker of casual sim game receives large sum of money and large playerbase of kb+m users, proceeds to make game as casual as possible for the large userbase
>People saying this game will be better than SWTOR
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I think the map they have on RSI is pretty cool.
Then again, I'm autistic enough to read all the flavor text in Freelancer.
>>344983759
Procedural planets are coming later this year
>>344982262
Kickstarter is mostly for incompetent people, the ones that have a clue of what they are doing don't need millions for a flash game.
>>344983807
I don't think I've ever played SP in Freelancer.
>>344979064
>Why are these idiots donating so much to these projects?
Most of them are middle aged guys that played the old games chris roberts and now have the money and -really- want to see star citizen.
>>344982335
wtf are goons? I thought they were an eve bee thing at first but now they are furry trans that hate Star Citizen? How do they have no power in Star Citizen? Can't they just do like they did in Eve and swarm?
>>344983759
So like this?
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_star_citizen_from_pupil_to_planet-36350_en.html
Its coming later this year to the PU.
>>344983549
Is this a reference to gold or something?
>>344983759
> A special strike team of procedural generation-oriented developers will be assembled to make this technology a reality.
What?
>>344983940
EvE relies on heavy player agency and the devs don't give a fuck what you're doing, even doxing players and blackmailing them. It also requires no skill to play, and you can multibox it. That said, they're also getting blown the fuck out in EvE right now. They've lost everything.
One of the community managers told Goons to go fuck themselves when they were trying to make a power play and now they're ultra salty about it
>>344983940
GOONS got btfo by Star Citizen forum mods which told them they won't have any say over the game. GOONS are no in a vendeta against the game and are allied with Derek Smart. They made this thread.
Daily reminder these retards are using cryengine
Daily reminder that for a game this scale and purpose they would have needed to build and engine from scratch to make it work instead of using an FPS engine.
>>344979260
Iga doesn't deserve to be on any conman list, since he has always put out, and Bloodstained is shaping up to be another Igavania, but with an actual budget.
>>344983940
Goons are big in eve because they weaponised boredom.
They just made it so unfun to fight them that people stopped until someone paid trillions of isk to get people to fuck em up.
>it's a vedfurtranny defending one of the biggest scams in video game history episode
>>344982119
Probably getting the refund to buy 3k worth of PLEX to buy a burn heal in New Eden, after the collective anal-ravaging the Goons suffered by the entire playerbase as of late.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/04/21/eve-online-world-war-bee-mittani/ reminder that goons are getting their asses kicked
>>344984139
But I don't understand why they would try to shut the game down instead of just building up a community/recruitment and then just kamakazi people's real money ships to death on release
>>344979260
there's one conman missing from there
>people screaming for refunds
>lol let's buy 13k espresso machines, sliding doors, ipod furniture, and watercraft instead
>>344981583
nah. the biggest problem Stockholm Citizen is facing right now is the fact that it's P2W, not that the project is fraudulent
>falling for cuckstarter
I guess he learned his lesson at least.
>>344978720
Hold up, I thought the game turned out well???
What happened to the 600 gorlillion dollaroos they raised?
>>344978720
I have no particular ill will towards this project, but I just can't turn down the chance for some delicious schadenfreude.
>>344984139
Based whoever BTFO them, when I played eve my colation got destroyed during the battle of br
>>344978812
Thats sad, i thought it was coming together alright, but sometimes things happen and people end up needing to save more money that they realized and the game failing to deliver when we first thought can be frustrating but meh, seems like they're making decent progress
I think at this point it would be cheaper for them to just make the game than for it all to be a complete scam conspiracy
>>344980974
>>344981067
whats the problem here?
you newfags arent used to how goofy playermodels can look in ultra autistic sim games?
Reminder that the /v/ star citizen guild was infiltrated and taken over by a group of furries named Plaxinov, Geisto, Arak, MZD, and Cowbellius
Reminder that they attempted to take over the /v/ steam group.
Reminder that their goal was to own their own general and lead a 4chan army, but nobody is going to follow ex-goon furries that lurk somethingawful.
Reminder that they shill for free and have a pet /v/ and /vg/ mod that does it for free.
>>344983807
>I'm autistic enough to read all the flavor text in Freelancer
I did the same. I also read the entire codex in Mass Effect and Freespace's database
>>344983940
The Somethingawful forums are attached to a comedy site of the same name, you have to pay money to post in the forums, and that community prides them selves on being an organized bag of dicks in any multiplayer game they play.
>>344984684
>google plaxinov
>tumblr account
>deactivated furaffinity account
>screenshots of furry erp
Good god
>>344979064
>APB cost as much as rd redemption
>>344980974
Goods make funny videos of star citizen and taunt chris all day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWeTw2DXfUE
How the fuck can FF7 cost 45 mils to develop? Did the execs get fat paycheck or something?
>>344984387
doesn't work like it would in EVE, where the server allocates resources to have hundreds to thousands of ships in an instance.
CIG has made it clear since the beginning that SC will utilize sharding to work around limitations with the game engine, meaning there may be a 20-60 person cap per instance A, then the game creates new instance B and places the spillover into it. It makes it near impossible to zerg rush by numbers as a result, which immediately dampens the effectiveness of Goon strats.
Another major factor is that with EVE, they can refer people / new accounts for 21 days, obtain an item worth a month of ingame time that can be resold on the game market for major money, and be part of a group that was so large and rich, they could finance alts and members for ages (until CCP changed the value of the stuff the Goons stockpiled, making it worthless, since the system revised it based on availablity within the game)
Meanwhile, SC is sold at a minimum of $45 or so now, I think, to be able to play the online portion.
EVE will forever be their swansong, since the only other game they can really shine in would be Darkfall Rebirth, but I don't see them jumping on a literal noname game just to do what Goons always do.
>>344984358
reading about eve > playing eve
>>344985004
>but I don't see them jumping on a literal noname game just to do what Goons always do.
They tried to play UCGO and do the usual goon thing.
The Japanese playerbase just marked goons as kill on sight for both factions (so people would TK them)
They tried to grind way out in the wilderness but people tracked them down anyway.
>>344981059
What is this game? It showed up for free in my library like a year ago, never installed it.
Any of you guys looking for a game like this thats actually already playable, look up pulsar lost colony.
Its great
>>344984684
i havent seen the general up in a while but i thought around last time i did they seemed mad at the furries
>>344985190
Janny-fannies destroyed it.
>>344984967
Do you think those backgrounds or cgi movies make themselves?
The backgrounds in the games are 3D renderings. That is, someone spent the time to make a 3D world. Then they took snap shots of it to create the backgrounds at different angles. Other backgrounds are 2D paintings.
The game is big budget and a huge change to the 2D games before it.
>>344984401
V I S I O N
>>344982054
>I have never had a job
>>344985190
>i havent seen the general up in a while but i thought around last time i did they seemed mad at the furries
Yeah, this >>344985267
Their furfag trannyjanny killed the thread by banning people for the slightest infraction while the rest of /vg/ is flooded with constant shitposting and erp
>>344985004
>meaning there may be a 20-60 person cap per instance
topkek
it'll be 24 person cap at BEST
More likely ~12-16 players per instance
>>344984643
Apparently it was a group of bankers they pissed off or something. From what I heard they used their money to hire an army of pirates and mercs to invade goons
This fucking EVE thing reads like ready player one.
>>344986054
So how is it possible to meet friends in game?
>>344985153
That puts a smile on my face, since no matter how bad things are with 4chan, there is always a group that people hate even worse to those degrees online.
>>344986054
Depends on how much they can tweak it, but due to multicrew ships and all, I don't see them shooting for less than 20, unless they're prepared to go full PR damage mode and claim "It will make dogfights that more intense and interesting, based on player skills instead of numbers!"
>>344985004
Wait, is it a cap per player or per ship? If it is per player won't that make capital ships a negative to have since you want a full or near full crew in them?
>>344986417
I feel like the shard system will be easily exploited. I imagine an organized group can beat anyone by bringing in 15-20 allies at the start of a fight thus restricting their enemy to 5-10 ships. Even if the shards allow for 60 people you can still use the same strategy just scaled up.
>yfw you didn't fall for the Star Shitizen scam
>>344978720
>No refund policy
I don't know much about American law (I'm assuming this is under american law since the guy filled the complaint in L.A., even though the Company in question operates in the UK) but in my home country, the Consumer Protection Laws preceed any "No Refunds" bullshit. If CIG isn't paying up after failing to fulfill their promises, it's illegal to not pay up.
>>344986432
I recall CIG stating very early on that it was based on players, as their solution to working around the engine limitations, as well as "throw more ships at them than the other side" strat that larger factions have going for them.
I think capitals in SC are meant to be more like Titans in EVE, and other big ships in space fiction; only meant to see the light of day during major operations, not casual joyrides.
Then there was some rambling about how a full capital ship will be able to defend against multiple ships due to player skill and stuff like that, and doesn't seem like anyone really gave it much thought on the dev side before they threw ships for sale with offers of a future gameplay.
>>344986664
Sharding will be very easy to exploit. The early idea was that people in a group could jump into the same shard (if it wasn't full), as well as people on your friendslist, meaning your scenario is how it would play out.
Two sides about to fight at space location SR388? They could miss each other completely since one could land in Shard A, the other Shard B, and just sitting there like idiots waiting for a load to happen and bring them enemies to shoot.
>>344986972
It sounds like they are basically trying to discourage fleet warfare? I'm not saying its a bad idea to try and force more dog fighting I just guess I was hoping for some fleet support. I think that Eve Valkyrie demo has ruined me even if they were all NPC ships/background.
>>344986054
Its already 16 per instance, and they've shown flying with more.
>>344986972
I heard you can hire NPCs to man guns and stuff. Would the advantage of having more player flown ships on your side outweigh the negative of having NPC gunners?
>>344986432
>>344986972
Its ship-based, as ships act as their own instance.
>>344985153
Wow, Goons sure look like a bunch of shitheads, good thing I don't play MMOs althought the way you describe them makes me curious at what is this about that makes it look like they are an hivemind.
>>344982979
>le Goons
I remember when Goons loved Star Citizen and Star Shills used to say that all criticism of their Cult was just a /v/ plot to create a new TORtanic since our lives were so pathetics, we wanted everyone to be as pathetic as us.
But not that the Goons jumped ship, you guys have a new Boogieman to share the spot with Derek Smart.
![article-2219961-1592D882000005DC-97_634x333[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6tuG5qa.jpg "article-2219961-1592D882000005DC-97_634x333[1].jpg")
>>344979064
>Destiny
>Development cost 140 m$$
>Marketing cost ???
>Final budget 500 m$$
>>344988290
The goons were all on board until they got told they wouldn't be treated like special snowflakes.
Its hardly a "boogieman" if they have a giant thread dedicated to the subject detailing their actions and Derek refers to them constantly.
Get real.
>>344986972
This guy is pretty much spreading misinfo, as it was mentioned a few times in a row to make sure everyone heard during 10 for the Chairman: It's ship based, ships are WAY more complex and resource heavy compared to players. Player count is totally fine except for needing to distribute lots of complex physically simulated ships and objects to more people.
And that is getting remedied because servers have no concept of LoD when it comes to physics for now, that rework will be coming in 2.7 so you don't simulate loose debris on the other side of a star system.
They have a ship that's intended to crew 300, and they reinvented the octree method of instance management (used in just about every game including CoD for management of a map) to have arbitrary distances, so servers will be able to run a lot more and focus on X number of resource hogging objects as single instances/entities instead of number of players in a fixed space. They already worked the engine out so everything inside a ship no matter how big counts as it's own instance, and people are transitioning in/out of them seamlessly right now.
Instances are as simple as invisible boxes you literally walk into, sharding will have no solid barriers to entry or gameplay as it is at the moment.
>>344988431
Everyone says this started when they got BTFO'd by the mods, can someone explain to me exactly what happened or at least link to it?
>>344979260
Kojima needs to be up there too
Who the fuck would side with Derek Smart, ever? The guy is even more of a shitty conman developer than any of the people complained about in this thread.
>>344988601
Do you know how many ships will be allowed to be on grid with each other at once?
>>344979260
I will defend Inafune.
Kinda.
The thing is that people forget that multiplatform development costs money itself. Spending a shit load of money to developer N9 for every platform under the sun sure drained a lot of those kickstarter funds.
And it was an absolute jew move, no doubt. Inafune should have used his strengths better and develop the game as a console debut for the PS4 (I'm saying that because it has the strongest market) and THEN develop the game for other consoles like the Xbox and the PC.
Make N9 as good as possible, get good reviews and then have the luxury of porting it where ever you want.
>>344988346
AKCHUALY
500M is the budget for all 3 destiny games.
9/10 of those 500M goes into marketing
Do you seriously believe making a game costs 140m?
>>344988635
Its not a single instance anon, its a pretty long drawn-out event.
>>344988904
The game has as much content as a free to play, yet they still made millions out of idiots
>>344980051
First time this comic has ever been good.
>>344988842
No, it'll be down to the resources. So I imagine capital ships will take more space than constellations.
However if this is all worked out right, it should be impossible to see instances between two different fleets. From what I understand, the method was effectively from the start going to be so that torpedoes and similar long range weapons will only be considered for visual range of ships, as everything else won't have the range e.g. lasers, so instances would work around that.
I don't know how they're going to handle e.g. a capital ship being wedged between two instances, but from what I can tell it will largely be down to "player is port side/player is starboard/player is in the ship"
>>344988904
>Doesn't think AAA games cost 100+ million to make
Oh anon, your so...
Read this, it sums up the cost of tech based companies pretty well.
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/MichaelFitch/20160609/274662/What_Does_1MM_Buy_in_Game_Development.php
>>344978960
>you faggots never like direct links so I just copy pasted 95% of the article here
Thanks for that.
>>344984401
reminder that RSI/CIG has "PR Agents" browsing this board in attempt to discourage and belittle people who consider seeking refunds.
>>344990303
Reminder you're delusional.
>>344989482
Is funny that Gears of War 2 ended up costing just 10 millions.
>>344989161
>Food analogy
>>344990373
here we go, first one.
>>344981850
How about the fact you can play it right now and see the progress they’ve made?
Or the fact that the dev team puts out videos on a regular basis showing what they’ve done and what they’re doing?
>>344978720
Noice
Wait... you're telling me that Derek Smart was right all along? That /v/ lied to me? How could this have happened???
