>Accents are back
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Who's fucking decision is it to put this garbage in?
Like who looks at the jp script and is like: wow this needs some fucked up Irish accents!
The original didn't have this, why does the remake need this shit?
>>344938998
Europeans are the reason you're getting this translated in the first place.
Europeans loved the accents.
This is targeted mainly at Europe.
>>344940523
Also to add to this.
>Like who looks at the jp script and is like: wow this needs some fucked up Irish accents!
>The original didn't have this, why does the remake need this shit?
Japanese original DOES have accents, just Japanese ones. Japan has different accents for different regions, you just don't pick it up as a gaijin. DQ games always tried portraying the different Japanese accents. They thought how to replicate this in English and they went for accents of different countries.
>>344938998
>Playing DQ9
>Meet cute Inn keeper
>Has an accent
>Now I can't hear her in anything other than some loud unattractive cockney accent
OI GUV TOP OF THE MORNIN TO YA.
>it's the amerifats get triggered by european languages and accents episode
>>344938998
i love the accents
>>344940648
Jap accents are no where near as bad, in the written form, as fucking cockney and russian accents are.
There is literally no way you can defend this
>>344938998
Why did you make this thread again?
>>344941470
>Jap accents are no where near as bad, in the written form, as fucking cockney and russian accents are.
Wouldn't that just be subjective?
>AAAAAA SOME CHARACTERS ARE PHOENETIC FUCK YOU SQUEENIX REEEEEEEEE
I'll never understand you fuckers.
>>344940648
>DQ games always tried portraying the different Japanese accents.
Not really. You'll see some different dialects in the Japanese versions here and there, like that farming village in DQ V that was having all their crops eaten by monsters, everyone there spoke in a thick hickish dialect. You'll see light hick dialects here and there. The lizard boss in IX spoke in an Oosakan dialect, etc. But most people just speak normally.
>>344941627
Not every DQ fan is as anal as OP.
>>344941470
What >>344941584 said.
Subjective.
Believe it or not but Europeans love this shit.
>>344938998
murrican confirmed for shit taste, i guess you wanted the game with more censorship instead of this?
>>344941293
I'd actually be interested in a national survey on this. I don't know if that's actually how things are or not. I'm an American, but the accents aren't troubling to me. I've never heard any other American complain about accents, except for DQ fans.
>>344941470
t. someone who totally reads moonrunes and played the game in Japanese to know what he's talking about here, honest!
I love the accents
They don't need to be there, but I'm glad they are
>>344941878
A lot of them are super anal, though. Remember when the mobile versions were coming out and we had threads with people bitching about Drakmage becoming Dracolyte?
>>344938998
Cor blimey!
>>344941584
>>344941627
It's fucking annoying to read
I wouldn't expect neo /v/ to know about a game more than a year old, but the localization of DQV had literally unreadable text for the final boos.
There is literally no reason for this shit.
>>344942546
No one cared about the mobile versions except super autists like OP
>>344942613
>DQV
There was absolutely nothing wrong with that localization. DQ IV was the only time they went overboard.
>>344942546
Many DQ fans feel shafted by SQ, so when stupid changes are made they get mad.
It's fucking insulting that the only current way to play DQIV in English is on mobile.
I don't mind accents in theory, but they lay it on way too thick sometimes. It's like someone was trying to do Joyce and Twain but terribly.
>>344942613
The only problem with that was they used symbols that looked like letters instead of the actual letters so you get shit like #!$ which is a whole other beast from silly accents
>>344942546
I actually don't. Did that really happen? It sounds so ridiculous.
>>344942613
>neo /v/
Stop trying to fit in. You sound stupid. I will admit that the final boss for DQ5 was overkill, but it's only been that bad once. 4 was just OK and 6 was fine.
>>344938998
>Who's fucking decision is it to put this garbage in?
The head of localization for SE of Japan, Noriyoshi Fujimoto. He has stalled entire games from getting a western release because 'it would take too long to do the accents'. But also won't allow any game to get released without accents.
http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/18/how-13-years-changed-the-language-and-culture-of-dragon-quest-games/
sure lets put fucking american english ON EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER because oh boy everybody loves american english right?, fuck off, I like the accents
if you want to get really mad wait until you hear what they did the the soundtrack
>>344942979
>4 was just OK and
Are you fucking daft? Even ignoring the accents have the fucking script was gutted.
How much does SE pay you?
VI was a mess as well.
>>344942958
And the fucking zodiac character I was using for T didn't even go through on 4chan, oh well.
>>344942813
Not him, and I'm not part of this argument since I don't care, but at first I thought this was Russian 1337 speak or something.
>>344943102
Plain text is American?
>>344943121
It's still not confirmed 100% that the US OST is MIDI.
If it is then I'll just cancel my pre-order. The 3DS is hacked, I'll just wait on a fan translation
ITT: You either love the accents unconditionally or you're an extremist weeaboo. There is no middle ground and anyone who claims there is is also an extremist weeaboo!
>>344942979
When DQ1 hit mobile the threads about it were full turbo-autism, complaining about changing Hurt more to Sizzle, etc. There ARE a few questionable dialogue changes, mostly in that they somehow botched "But Thou Must", but the speed were acting as if Square was spiting them.
>>344943102
yeah i mean do the japs use the same dialect and intonation for every character in their version? because that sounds gay af
>>344943357
If it's true then its official that Square Enix hates American Dragon Quest fans, there is no other reason for them to fuck us over like that.
>>344942813
>There was absolutely nothing wrong with that localization
OOOOOHHHH RRREEEAAALLLLLYYYYYY? IIII DDDOOOONNN'TTT KKKNNNOOOOWWW AAABBBOOOUUUTTT TTTTHHHHAAATTTT!
>>344943358
People always get mad at me for an accent apologist when I say that they're fine when handled correctly, but make it clear that I think that almost never happens in DQ.
>>344943389
Pretty sure they were also complaining about how the text sounded like a bad Monty Python sketch. It was needless embellishment to what was already an Olde English accent.
>>344943292
How the fuck is that hard to read?
It's plain ass English with slightly different characters. It's as hard to read as a Mr. Saturn.
That shit has nothing on OCH THE YAENGLINS AUER BEEN TAHCUN EWE'Y at the start of 4.
>>344943292
Not even hard to read with that font. My only complaint is the hint of leetspeak-esque grammar in the first line.
Is /v/ just illiterate? It would explain why so many people here are bad at debate.
>>344943547
And people claim I'm a weeaboo when I point out that dialects work fine when spoken, but are bad when written in text. We had a huge thread about it about 6 hours ago.
>>344943358
Give me a single fucking reason for shit like this then
>>344943292
>>344943389
Square IS spiting western DQ fans.
>Look at VII's release date. Fucking september. A relatively niche RPG that's going to need a lot of marketing to sell well (it's been half a fucking decade since we've had a mainline game) is being released alongside a shit ton of JRPGS.
>There's a good chance the OST is MIDI
>Fucking accents again even though people have time and again voiced their frustrations about it
>Literally no marketing for the game past some shitty videos on Nintendo's youtube channel.
They want this to fail so FFXV doesn't have any competition. They want this to fail so they can cite low sales as a reason not to localize DQ games.
Jokes on them though, we can fan translate 3DS games now.
>>344943128
They added it back in the (kinda crap) mobile port. Also aren't we just talking about the accents and how heavy they lay it on? Wouldn't the fact that they left out talking to party members be irrelevant? I mean it was bullshit, but it doesn't actually matter since we are just talking about how good or bad the accents are. Anyways I found the accents in 4 to be a bit charming and I also found that it gave the party a more varied composition when you were able to talk to them in the mobile port. How was 6 a mess? Honestly I don't remember much about the script of the game since I thought the game was painfully average, but I don't remember anything sticking out as really bad like the final boss of 5.
>>344943734
You've never played this on a tiny ass DS screen then where they characters literally look like nonsense. I had to look up the script. That is fucking unacceptable.
>>344943734
>It's plain ass English with slightly different characters.
Its English using the Coptic alphabet. It CAN be read. But its clearly not as easy to read as straight English. And some people, such as kids or people with reading disorders, may not even attempt to read it.
>>344943734
>>344943745
Never said it was hard, just annoying.
>>344943478
Isn't it MIDI in the JP release as well?
>>344942546
That is a much better name.
>>344938998
at this point I'm desperate enough to get another good Dragon Quest remake that I'll ignore it and buy it anyway
>Kansai-ben
>English is stereotypical hillbilly mumbo jumbo
>>344944050
Not that guy, but I played on a DS lite and it wasn't that hard to read for me. That being said, I would never like to see this kind of "accent" ever used again. It's terrible.
>>344944169
Nope they made a big deal about how they remade all the music and how amazing it sounded.
>>344944050
>You've never played this on a tiny ass DS screen then where they characters literally look like nonsense.
I bought it at launch, you presumptuous cunt.
>>344943101
6 didn't really have the accents though.
>>344943128
It was a mess but the accents were far tamer than other games.
Also to add on I like how in 9 they had primarily Scottish accents instead of the usual londoner ones.
>>344943734
Even if it can be read, its just plain cheesy and unacceptable. You really think they'd get away with that kind of junk in a Final Fantasy game? You're about to fight Sephiroth and suddenly he's spouting English lines in the Cyrillic alphabet? Final Fantasy fans would literally riot and attack the SE HQ. But since its in a Dragon Quest game, its just a niche series no one cares about, right? So its okay to be 'artsy' and cheesy.
>>344944210
Kansai-ben is Japanese for lazy people, so it fits. They have contractions for contractions.
>>344943972
Jesus christ you couldn't sound more like a shill if you tried
>Jap pays 40 bucks. Gets full game with nice text that doesn't make him annoyed with each dialog box. Nothing gutted or removed, doesn't feel cucked out of his money.
>'Murrican pays 40 bucks
>Accents
>Font changes
>Name changes
>Fucking MIDI when japs get orchestrated
>Change-..."Localized" script
No thanks. There's nothing dependable about this. They only want FF to sell in the west.
>>344944420
Six had a heavy accent for Carver. And various NPCs and monsters still had accents. It was definitely toned down from the previous games, but still there. DQVII on 3DS looks like its going to be the same.
>>344944210
that shit drives me insane
>>344944189
Don't
The sooner SE officially drops DQ the sooner people start fan translations
>>344944450
>This series filled with mediocre-to-shit games with a few gems wouldn't do this!
Why the fuck do I care?
It's stupid, but you'd have to be pretty retarded to have your reading impaired by this.
>tfw reading Sancho accent in V
tis tis tis
>>344944535
Defendable*
>>344944210
>Osacan accent
>English turns it into a southern accent
>takoyaki is now meatballs
>>344943972
6 had the whole monster recruitment system gutted and replaced with a few slimes who would just join up.
>>344944559
Carver didn't have an accent. I'm literally playing through it right now and he talks perfectly normally. The accents for NPCs are also limited exclusively to foreigners, like the treasure hunter couple.
The monsters always talk funny though, even the in the japanese version.
>>344944828
LIKE BILL CLININ'
>>344944810
>Why the fuck do I care?
Then why the fuck are you posting in this thread?
>>344944863
>I'm literally playing through it right now and he talks perfectly normally.
He has an accent just like Yangus and Bianca. Unless they changed it in the smartphone version or something.
>>344944535
>Change-..."Localized" script
Actually, I imagine parts of it will be more accurate. I've only ever played the 3DS version, but from what I saw of the PSX versions, it looks like a game that had a lot of random shit put in there by the translators because they felt like it, which is pretty classic 90s translation for you. It's disappointing that many people are going to thing the more accurate translations in the new versions are censored or changed for no reason, when they were actually changed for no reason in the first place.
>>344944535
>shill
I'm actually not going to take your post seriously anon. Calling everyone a shill on /v/ has become very annoying. I already know that no matter what I say, you will call me a shill since your head is so far up your own ass. I hope you don't think anyone will take you seriously when you post like that.
>>344944863
Ah right I forgot about that. I played the translated one on the SNES and I was definitely disappointed when I played the DS version. Didn't like that change at all.
>>344944951
No, I'm playing the DS release and he 100% does not have an accent. He shortens some of his words sometimes like saying somethin' instead of something but it's not yangus like "sumfin".
>censoring the script
>messing up the font
>actually downgrading the great ost
>accents
>no VO
Another fantastic localization* (butchering/censorship) by Nintendo of America. Praise Jesus!
>>344944929
I asked why I should give a fuck what fans of Final Fantasy think. They have terrible taste in games. And why should I care what FF does? It's not the fucking gospel of game design. It has nothing to do with this argument.
You could just as easily be saying "MEGA MAN BATTLE NETWORK FANS WOULDNT STAND FOR THIS", it doesn't MEAN anything you idiot.
>>344945158
>Shill's mad at being called Shill's
>>344945046
Woosley didn't change shit for the sake of changing it though.
He only did it when a pun or something couldn't be translated and even then he would think of an equivalent.
I shudder to think of modern SE localizing Chrono Trigger.
>>344942198
I can't provide a survey but Europeans in general are fond of accents and accepting of them due to the way how diverse the language base in Europe is.
t. Europoor
>>344945198
>NoA actually localizing games they published for SE
lmao
>>344945449
Woolsey didn't work on DQ7.
>>344945198
Did they really not give us the symphonic OST?
>>344945461
Then they can get a shitty version with accents and removed dialog because they couldn't include accents in them.
>>344945449
>Frog
And modern SE did localize it in '08, maybe '09
>>344945449
Why are you talking about Woolsey? He didn't work on DQ VII.
>>344945213
Final Fantasy is SE best selling series in the west. And Dragon Quest constantly gets overlooked because it won't pull FF numbers. So in terms of profit, which is all SE cares about, Final Fantasy is their most important series.
When you factor in that they won't dare to do all this extreme dialect stuff in FF, it points out that they realize its cheesy and wouldn't fly in the 'serious' FF games. Yet they keep pushing it onto the DQ games. Even during very emotional scenes in a DQ game, they throw out a pun and use dialects. Thereby killing any drama the scene had.
This makes it seem like Squenix doesn't take Dragon Quest seriously.
>>344945198
>every bad localization is the fault of Nintendo of America
SquareEnix localized the game. Nintendo is only printing and distributing it. The same process that went on with DQVI, Joker 2 and Fortune Street, which SquareEnix ran the localization for all of those (through companies like 8-4).
>>344938998
>He doesn't like the accents
I don't see the problem, it takes place in a vaguely European land, so why the fuck not?
>>344945720
>This makes it seem like Squenix doesn't take Dragon Quest seriously.
They don't
I'm willing to bet they'll cancel DQVIII 3D when VII doesn't sell. That's why they didn't announce a date or really show any of it in E3
>>344945710
Well, he did have a reason for that, but he handled it poorly and changed Frog's character, so it still wasn't good.
>>344943292
Do Eurocucks actually love this shit? It's just making shit awkward to read. Why can't they into normal English?
>>344945947
>it takes place in a vaguely European land
Nothing in any game ever talks about Europe. Or even hints that it takes place on Earth. By your logic, every fantasy book, movie and game shuld have cheesy dialects. Even if it takes place in Narnia or a floating ring in space.
>>344945720
>I should care because FF sells well. DW should emulate what sells.
Motherfucker do I look like a Square Enix executive to you? Are you retarded?
>>344938998
The accents are only okay when their voiced like 8. Every other time it's needs to fuck off.
>>344945596
Yep, already confirmed DQ7 in the west is using MIDI OST.
I told you fags.
You didn't believe me.
I fucking told you.
>>344945198
Did it have voice acting in Jap version? Pretty sure only DQ8 did.
>>344946247
I honestly thought they learned from the past and wanted this game to do well.
Big fucking mistake
>>344946183
What the fuck? Why the fuck would they do that? This makes no sense. You got a source for that anon?
the solution is just to wait for people to undub the games and return censored content and music and maybe switch the voice audio so you dont have to hear them speak in english. oh, but of course you need tohack your 3ds
>>344946291
Nope. It did not.
>>344946442
It didn't have voice acting in the first place.
>b-b-b-but accents are fine!
Yeah, fuck you.
Tell me how many more games would be far better if everyone had a bunch of stupid ass accents.
Chrono Trigger, FF6, Superstar Saga, and whatever flavor of the month game would be far better with accents and dialects, right? Especially when they didn't even fit and were thrown in there haphazardly, right?
And just like that this game went from a 'Day 1 Purchase' to a 'Nevermind'.
>>344946102
>DW
Yeah, you do seem a little retarded. Or at lest like you've been asleep for 15 years.
Good thing this game is guaranteed to fail now because fuck you SE, you deserve it. NO AMERICAN WILL BUY THIS SHIT. NO AMERICAN.
>>344946605
they just in general call them undub or delocalization, which is more accurate. when these come out, theres gonna be a mixed listings composed mainly of undubs, which are just delocalizations
>>344945046
Well, you're wrong. DQ7 on PS1 was actually pretty damn accurate for the most part. The most shit that was changed was the classes and class titles, and some of the "quickjokes". Everything else is damn accurate.
http://www.geocities.jp/dynamic_range2/dw/dw7.html
>>344946645
Popple literally speaks with a stereotypical accent while Fawful talks in fucking gibberish because"it's funny", to name a few.
Superstar Saga is the worst fucking example you could give.
>>344946841
DQ will always be DW to squeenix and their shills.
>>344946841
It's a fucking typo you sanctimonious cunt.
>>344943870
>Jokes on them though, we can fan translate 3DS games now.
do you really think that a team will translate these games you fucking donkey?
they are huge, the scripts are fucking huge
it will take years for a translation
>>344945947
Oh yeah, a vaguely european land full of magic, monsters, flying rockships, ships with castles on them, magical warp gates, and people who could job change to monsters. Europe is totally like that.
No, jackass. That's like saying every fucking tales of game is "vaguely european" because they have castles and don't use katanas.
>>344946998
I've waited four years for this, whats a year or two more?
>>344946032
Maybe the brits do, but the french and spaniards have even shittier scripts than we do.
Loaded with shit like real-world references.
>>344946864
DQVII was translated in less than a year, and everyone involved said they probably did the least they could do. It was a very rushed translation.
>>344938998
Accents are typical for Dragon Quest, fag.
>>344946998
Think more 'find and replace'.
For example:
Find: O'er
Replace With: Over
See? Piece of cake (depending on how the script was coded).
>>344946883
They don't talk "LOIKE DIS LADDY OY M8 WE HUS GUTS TA SAYVE DER KWEEN"
Popple talks like a fucking stereotypical 1920s crook, not like a goddamn inbred german.
Fawful is literally insane, but you can still read what he's saying clearly.
>>344947185
>Accents are typical for Dragon Quest, fag.
Yeah, totally.
>>344947168
[citation needed]
>>344947107
no no no, i dont think you understand how big the scripts, you know, forget the script
without an actual translation team you can expect delays, people dropping and slow progress
a fucking Tales game for ps3 that was localized on 360 took years to release
>>344946998
oh that what you meant? i thought he meant that any future DQ wont release in the west so let the teams work on them instead
but even so, the script is fucking packed as is and english needs more space so like you said
"Find: O'er
Replace With: Over"
will overload the fucking game and dialogue will skip or go over the limit
>>344947290
>They don't talk "LOIKE DIS LADDY OY M8 WE HUS GUTS TA SAYVE DER KWEEN"
Partners in Time literally, LITERALLY has l33t5p34k hammer bros. Please don't ever use SSS or any M&L game as a counterpoint to localization. Every one of those games is chock full of the same kind of bullshit you're decrying.
ITT: Autists who get extremely triggered when anything is spelled incorrectly.
>>344947540
Does every character in M&L immediately start talking in a retarded accent? Yelling about 'barns missing'?
>>344946864
Well, I've only seen a bit of the English version, so it might not be as common as I think. I just know that there was a joke Sharkeye made in the English version about taking a guy prisoner that didn't exist in either Japanese version. And the thing the wind spirit said about being a slave girl... Well, there were some vague sexual connotations in the original line I guess? Think there was one or two other things I saw. And giving me a list of names is not like comparing actual dialogue.
>>344947437
but even so, the script is fucking packed as is and english needs more space so like you said
"Find: O'er
Replace With: Over"
>will overload the fucking game and dialogue will skip or go over the limit
Is this a fucking joke? Goddamn fuck you and the DQ8 generation.
>>344938998
Why don't you play it in Japanese then?
Too hard to learn a language?
Too stupid?
>>344947372
The English release was released a little over a year after the Japanese release and localization started RIGHT after it came out in Japan.
Now, for most games that's normal, at least back in 2000. Dragon Quest VII is not an average game in terms of script.
OVER 70,000 PAGES.
>>344947758
thats just one example, i'll see from the forums that they are using less text to convey the same idea so removing the accents might extend the sentences to deliver the same idea
restrictions anon, for some reason they have an issue where tales doesnt
Can't wait to see how many million puns they put in.
>>344947698
>people want things to actually be spelled correctly and look professional
What a shock. But considering people are still finding some deep meaning in bad translations like FFVII and Tactics, I guess there are some people who prefer mishandled translations.
Please pirate this game
I'm not even meming
SE and Nintendo need to fucking die and they wont with retards still buying their games
If given a choice between being cucked or staying single, the logical choice is staying single.
The accents in DQH are pretty good
>>344948159
>Please, please, please, Square-Enix, please give me more Dragon Quest, I don't want to learn Japanese!
>No, fuck it, it's ruined. Pirate this shit.
>>344947698
The problem is that it turns something that should be easy (reading) into something that is a task.
When half the game is reading, and you have sentences that are literally:
"Me wee bairns er wisked ay ta the t'wer o'er thar."
It's a problem.
>>344948320
Probably because it's done in VA.
>>344948408
But most of the localizations aren't even nearly that bad. You're using the outlier as the standard to boost your position.
>>344948372
No
I don't want more DQ from them. Not like this
>>344948408
>>344948573
The last Dragon Quest to be like that was IV too and they learned their lesson.
>>344948669
No they haven't
Watch the latest trailer
>>344948408
>(reading) into something that is a task.
My brother's 12 year old son doesn't have much trouble reading them. Sometimes, but he's 12. I'm a grown ass man and I don't have trouble with them, AND I'm an American, so I don't know why you'd have trouble with them.
>>344948159
>prate the game, that'll learn 'em to mess with my translations!
>why aren't they releasing more games!?
We've gone through this twice already. Withholding sales just makes them withhold releasing future games. But I suppose you may be too young to remember the dark years of 1998-2004 and 2009-2016.
>>344943292
This isn't hard to read but it sure is obnoxious.
I don't see why people are defending it, if a fan translator did this shit then people would be up in their ass like there was no tomorrow, but it's okay for an official translator to do it.
>>344948751
It's legible, which isn't comparable to IV.
>>344948831
We actually got DQ games without shitty translations in the late 90s and early 2000s.
>>344948994
Fucking this.
>>344948994
If they did it that poorly? Yeah, definitely. They way they're handled in Dragon Quest sucks. Not hard at all, but they are bad.
>>344948994
Its more that people want to be contradictory. People are pointing out an obvious issue, so they jump in and want to be the cool kid who argues with them.
And then there are a few legitimate people who played these games and were okay with the dialects. But they wouldn't be making such stupid counter points as you're seeing here.
>>344949218
>Its more that people want to be contradictory. People are pointing out an obvious issue, so they jump in and want to be the cool kid who argues with them.
I just don't like that there are adults in the world who find them hard to read. It makes me hate the future even more.
>>344949059
Yes. For a very short period. Mostly just the GBC and PS1 games. And the games didn't do well in sales. Of course, it wasn't the lack of dialects that was the problem. It was a lack of marketing. And considering such poor marketing, the GBC games actually sold pretty well. But still not enough to keep Enix of America afloat.
>>344948994
This. I'm still not even sure if those people who are defending it is genuine or baiting.
>>344949396
Are you seriously trying to argue with a meme addled jackass who probably also blames noa for the translation? This faggot doesn't give a single shit about anything aside from shitposting
>>344949391
It's not about it being hard to read, it's about it being stupid as fuck and unnecessary.
Have you seriously ever played a game and said "GEE I REALLY FUCKING LOVED HOW FULL OF ACCENTS IT WAS" and loved how much better the game was because of it?
I seriously hope you haven't. Because anyone who thinks accents, puns, and dialects make a game better is up their own ass.
>>344949636
Nice projections.
If squeenix didn't fucking riddle the DQ with bullshit in the west we wouldn't have this thread, and I would still have a pre-order.
But again, they WANT this to fail. It'll be their ultimate argument for not localizing future games.
And mark my words this shit WILL fail.
Not counting the people like me who are fed up with this bullshit, it simply won't sell because of the September release date.
>>344949749
>It's not about it being hard to read, it's about it being stupid as fuck and unnecessary.
Yeah I know, that's a fine opinion, which I share. There are some people who actually say it's hard though.
>removing the early game puzzle cave
no
>>344949852
Nice argument you cocksucker, whats next, screaming cuck and censorship again? Go wild
>>344938998
>Preferring shit American VAs.
Stop begin a gay faggot.
>>344948159
>ugh the accents are so horrible! game is ruined!
>still gonna play it though lol
>>344949391
As was said in the last thread, the dialects are actually harder to read for people who are avid readers. Because, especially if you read quickly, you aren't reading every single letter. You look at a word and the combination of how many letters it has, what its prefix is and the context of the sentence, your mind fills in the word for you.
The problem is, if you're reading a sentence like 'All that was applied to the work was fair', there's gonna be no problems. But in a DQ game, it would be more like 'All dat been appleeyed to da werk be fair'. Half the words in that sentence cannot be recognized quickly. And one of them is a horrible pun that completely changed the word. So yes, you CAN read it. But you have to read it slower to actually understand the words. You aren't just reading to get context. You're also having to double check the words themselves. And that goes against the very point of language. And breaks the biggest rule of translating, which is to make something easier to read in a persons native language.
>>344949996
Seems more like your style.
>>344950005
None of the VAs are americans though.
>>344950094
>Am an avid reader
>No problems with them.
Well there goes your argument. I still don't like the way they're done in DQ though.
I like both the stupid accents and the rhyming because I find it hilarious that autists are enraged by rhyming and stupid accents
>>344950078
I canceled my preorder.
I'm honestly debating whether I should pirate this or just replay the original.
>>344950153
>Seems more like your style.
Right, because you didn't write this >>344948159 >>344945198 it just happens to carry the exact same message by complete accident
>>344950153
I prefer the accents.
>>344949984
it wasn't removed. It was just streamlined. What that means, I don't know yet. I'll have to play the game to see.
They also have lessened a lot of the games dialogue. Which was necessary. Even Yuji Horii went back and replayed DQVII, questioning his own decision to make the story so overwhelming. He also commented that the game had a bad flow, pointing to the difficulty spikes and some long periods with hours of dialogue, followed by hours of fighting. I'm honestly psyched that they might have fixed the flow of the game, which was the biggest problem for me with the original.
>>344950364
>>344950274
Well I am an avid reader and I agree with him.
Are you an avid reader who says words aloud? Because that may be part of it.
>>344950353
replay the original
>>344950274
>Well there goes your argument.
Considering you completely changed my argument with cherry picked greentext, there goes your argument.
>>344950498
You really didn't have to spread cum from your lover on the screen before taking a screenshot
>>344949749
>It's not about it being hard to read, it's about it being stupid as fuck and unnecessary.
Except the director put the accents in the game and wants the accents to be localized, he even gave a fucking interview about it last to some french site, why are you spitting on the vision of the creator of the game? Isn't that the reason you fight against censorship? To defend the original vision of the author? Why are you fighting against it now?
>>344950094
>applied
>appleeyed
I can actually see them using this in the game.
>>344950681
Just because the creator of something says it's a good idea, doesn't mean it is.
See also: George Lucas
In this case you have a Japanese director dictating what is best for American audiences. That's just stupid.
>>344950589
My compton has shadows that interfere with MATE's screenshot tool. I actually just noticed.
>>344950513
No, I don't say words aloud. It is easier to fuck shit up when reading thing out loud than just in your head.
>>344950576
How did I change your argument or cherry pick at all just by saying that I'm an avid reason and it doesn't seem to apply to me? Don't tell me that using myself as an example is cherry picking, I refuse to believe I'm the Chosen One who can read fast and not fuck up constantly when I read something that has an accent.
>>344950681
>Except the director put the accents in the game
The director didn't write the story. Yuji Horii did.
>he even gave a fucking interview about it last to some french site
Source?
>why are you spitting on the vision of the creator of the game?
We're trying to stop localization groups from doing exactly that. Yuji Horii didn't intend Alena to be Russian. Or Bianca to be a hick. Or Ludman to become a huge Italian food stereotype. Or the Zenethian Dragon to be a Ned Flanders ripoff. All of these things were done by the localization team and have no equivalency in the Japanese game. So please stop acting like Yuji Horii wrote those things.
>>344950965
>Or Bianca to be a hick.
She actually seemed like the country girl type to me, living in a small town as a child, and an even smaller place after that away in the mountains. I don't think giving her a hick accent is a bad thing. Not sure how it is, I didn't play it in English, but the idea of Bianca with a hick accent doesn't bother me.
> Or the Zenethian Dragon to be a Ned Flanders ripoff
That sounds awful.
>>344950498
hold on, i need to put on my glasses
>>344950364
The sooner hiroshima nagasaki implements thread IDs across 4chan, the better.
>>344951407
>That sounds awful.
It's what you're defending.
>>344944535
more like
>'murrican pays 0 bucks
>enjoys the accents
>downloads a patch to to restore the orchestral soundtrack
buyfags always get the short end of the stick
>>344950918
So, why do you bitch about localizing when they cut things to better suit american audiences? After all the japanese dev knows nothing about america so why should he dictate anything?
>>344951643
I don't know why DQ fans are so retarded that they can't understand "Accents are okay as long as they aren't terrible."
>>344951541
I would honestly be fine if everyone had a forced tripcode. People would go ballistic and we probably would have nothing but angry protest threads for a month. But eventually people would either leave or calm down. Then afterwards, people would be responsible for the shit they say. And we'd have the ability to ignore or report people like FFXV Kun or shitposters.
I know my views aren't popular and everyone wants to keep this site anonymous just to shitpost. But I'm over my shitposting phase and welcome order.
>>344950094
>the dialects are actually harder to read for people who are avid readers.
The FUCK are you talking about?
I write for a living. This shit is not an impediment. O'er and in'nit shouldn't cause you to pause. Holy fuck.
>>344951895
We used to have IDs on /v/ for awhile some years ago.
>>344941751
What about Alena, Kiryl or Borya? What about that entire Egypt town in DQ3? Fuck, even DQ1 have accents too
Japan has always had accents in DQ, thing is that the localization abuse of them
>>344938998
>playing Japanese games with English dubs
>>344951928
They're probably people who never read anything but video games as kids. Reading a couple short articles a day is being an "avid reader" for the average American these days.
What I don't get is why have accents in a game with no voice acting. I didn't mind the accents in 8
>>344952079
if it has a good dub it doesn't bother me
but sometimes when i play with jap audio, the voice actors speak so similarly to eachother it all sounds the same. same flat lack of inflection or emotion.
>>344951972
No we didn't, at least I don't remmeber unless you're talking about something like the lanced jack/taiga clusterfuck that he did that time on /a/
>>344951928
>O'er
That could be anything from 'over' to 'offer' to 'odor', etc. Its not even a proper use of an apostrophe. The fact that you need context of a sentence to figure out what the word is proves that there's a problem. Words should be understandable by themselves. And if you have multiple words like that in the same sentence, then you have no way to derive context.
>in'nit
I legitimately don't know what this word is suppose to be. Unless its suppose to be 'isn't it'. Which is two words. And once again, an improper use of an apostrophe.
You're kind of just proving your own case wrong.
>I write for a living
And now your post is just a joke.
>>344952259
Show me a game with jrpg game with good dub that is faithful to the original script
>>344952336
Are you a retard for real? Do you ever actually read anything that isn't Alex Jones rants? I'm not fucking american and anglo saxonic language is not even my 3 language to learn but I can understand that normally, how the fuck does an american fail at that?
>>344952056
In the Japanese version? Alena, Klift/Kiryl and Brai/Borya didn't really have special way of talking. I don't remember dialects in the desert town of DQ III or any part of DQ I, though I didn't speak to every NPC in the game, so maybe certain ones did.
>>344952336
>Having to actually understand the context of what is written means I am now confused and have to stop, so your argument is bullshit.
I guess it fucking is, because apparently Americans are too stupid to grasp what they're reading without stopping and starting for minutes at a time. Fucking Hell.
>>344952260
Oh you're right. I was thinking of when the last three numbers of posts ended in XXX because of dubs fags.
>>344952389
>>344952683
>you just don't understand it
If all you write is 'o'er' by itself, then yes. No one is going to understand it.
O'en. There. What word did I just write? If you don't know it, then you're illiterate.
>>344952538
A sizable chunk of Americans are functionally illiterate.
The ones who aren't usually don't fare much better and get annoyed or just outright stop reading when they do not immediately grasp something.
>>344952336
American here.
>O'er
Come on, man. I saw that shit when I was a kid. I figured out that it was "over" from context. And these days you can just Google it if that's too hard.
>in'nit
Have you never spoken to anyone from the south? You really can't tell that that means "isn't it"?
All he's proving is that Americans are getting dumber by the year.
>>344952946
Not that anon but do you know what context is? Do you think conversations exist in a void that each phrase has to contain the full information of everything that is said?
>>344952946
>O'en. There. What word did I just write? If you don't know it, then you're illiterate.
Apparently I'm illiterate because I have no idea. Oven?
Often?
>>344952389
SMT III
>>344951928
>I write for a living
Shitposting on 4chan isn't what you would call "write for a living"
>>344952985
Yours is one of the few nations that takes pride in not learning cursive so there is that I guess
>>344953190
Well, there isn't really much reason for it these days, though I guess the newer generations will be fucked if they ever try to read anything old that's in cursive.
>It's a dragon quest thread but none of the post are typed entirely in accents
>>344953190
Teacher here.
Teaching 9 year olds (who can barely write legibly to begin) to write in a bunch of loops that's harder to read.
You are an actual retard, aren't you?
>>344952946
Okay, you HAVE to be fucking retarded because you aren't even following the discussion anymore.
Let me break this down so you can underst-oh, sorry, BIG WORD, "get" it.
Me say "Accents should not stop avid reader. Things like 'O'er' should not slow you down." Me say this to you because good reader would use CON TEXT CLUES to..."get" it. It should not be hard when reading.
You seem to not know this, think me say you should know WITHOUT context. This me not say.
Me here for you, retard-chan. It ok.
>>344953348
Zis iz ze postings of ze exzellents, da?
>>344948994
Only yuropoors are defending it. They're cucks by default.
So, did they really change the US version to have MIDI instead of orchestrated?
>>344953080
Considering that was my entire argument up at >>344952336, yes I know what context is. That's why I just made that stupid example.
His argument was that people should be able to recognize what 'O'er' and 'In'nut' are just by themselves. And I pointed out how that's fucking stupid, since they can be multiple words. And only through context can you figure it out.
But when you have an entire string of misspelled or broken words, then it becomes harder to figure out what the context even is. Not impossible, but people are clearly lying if they claim they can read it at the exact same pace as text written properly.
>>344953474
>Teaching 9 year olds (who can barely write legibly to begin) to write in a bunch of loops that's harder to read.
Only in america because the rest of the world kids learn to write earlier and the teachers aren't such incompetent fuck ups that can't fucking teach their students how to write like a human being, though in this case it might be because their parents are already fuck ups and can't pass a simple goddamn skill to their kid who will in the future fail catastrophically at teaching 9 goddamn years old children.
God job on being a failure of a teacher
>>344953348
I don't want no one tah know I actually have a slight southern accent. Ain't no one gonna give me the time a day because text alone makes me sound like a hick.
>>344953474
Sounds like kids have gotten dumber somehow in the 20 years it's been since I was learning cursive in school.
>>344953474
Why must faggots like you make pic related a valid stereotype for us?
>>344953769
>His argument was that people should be able to recognize what 'O'er' and 'In'nut' are just by themselves.
This was never said, at any point. You are failing to use context clues to understand that the entire point was about context clues.
>>344953489
The fact that you have to start talking like Ayla and mock the person proves that you know your argument failed. You provided examples with no context and belittled him for being stupid. Then he responded by pointing out you need context to understand them.
>oh, I OBVIOUSLY meant with context
But you didn't specify that. So you owned yourself.
>>344953769
The second line is completely unintelligible.
Ditto on 'idin' in the third.
>>344953784
Wait, you think they teach cursive in Japan? Korea? China?
You might just be the biggest retard on this board.
>>344953474
Do you teach to niggers by any chance? Are you one of them?
>>344948159
I didn't even bother playing the other Dragon Quests i pirated yet, i'll just ignore this one most likely
>>344953190
I learned cursive in third grade, and havent used it since.
It's a completely pointless skill that's only taught out of tradition.
Signatures are going to be made obsolete by biometrics.
>>344953941
Reading != Writing
>>344954040
>The second line is completely unintelligible.
Him and his gang of horrible henchman. I have no idea what 'idin' is though. All I can think of is "hiding", but that makes no sense. I'm guessing it probably is "hiding", but it's being used in a slangy way I've never heard before.
>>344954040
>>344954213
apparently 'idin' has to do with spanking or something.
>>344954242
That's what I figured what it meant, I'm just not familiar with hiding/'din' being used that way.
>>344954040
Chinese actually do learn cursive and its called caligraphy there and if I'm not mistaken japanese also learn it and cursive is learned by damn nearly every single nation that exists but aside from america that you fucks have use a name for it because everywhere else its simply called writing like a normal person
>>344954195
Signatures?
Do people have those anymore?
Anytime I have to sign for my credit card purchase I just scribble until the 'accept' button appears.
I did the same thing when I bought my car and house.
>>344954013
I'm mocking you because you are a FUCKING MORON.
Don't try to excuse yourself like that, pretending that the obvious conclusion is that "you shouldn't get hung up on this" is "YOU, INTUIT WHAT THIS MEANS RIGHT NOW, FREE OF CONTEXT, OR ELSE!"
God.
DAMN.
>>344954213
>>344954242
'idin is hiding, as in "tan their hides"
He's basically telling you to skin then and use their flesh to make leather goods.
>>344952831
Those kinds of localizers are the worst, so salty they have to insert 4th wall commentary just to spite people
>>344954306
>Chinese actually do learn cursive and its called caligraphy
No... that's just called writing. It's a pretty form of writing, but it's not as different from their standard writing as cursive is from standard English. Hentaigana was kinda like cursive I guess, but that's been obsolete for over a century I think.
>>344954010
>I write for a living. This shit is not an impediment. O'er and in'nit shouldn't cause you to pause.
He never specified any need for context. Just that a person should be able to figure out what those words mean in any situation without pausing. And there could be plenty of situations where those improper words wouldn't make sense in a sentence. Or could be mistaken for something else. Especially in DQ games, which often misspell words on purpose. When yo see a phrase like "O'er dem spot o' gnarles", you can probably guess they're talking about something being over a gnarl. But what's a gnarl? Not exactly a common word these days. And so some people won't even get that they're talking about going over a gnarl, since they don't get the context of anything in the sentence.
>>344954545
>Hentaigana
>>344954010
Just leave it, this shit's roit embarrassin'.
>>344954356
You're mocking me because you tried to prove me wrong with your 'writing skills' and I pointed out that you forgot the need for context.
>I write for a living
So do I just to tell you. But you won't believe me because all you can focus on now is calling me stupid and deflecting. So I'll just continue to do the same back to you. How long until one of us quits?
>>344954690
Yeah, funny name for it. I thought something was making a joke when I first heard it, but it makes sense if you consider the meaning of hentai.
>>344938998
Accents. As long as it's comprehensible, and not as bad as the example in >>344943719
>>344952831
Man that translator was fucking mad.
>>344955086
Nah that's Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure.
The entire game is tongue in cheek, with absurd dialogue.
>>344955086
I can understand him though.
>>344955193
I can too unless >>344955191 is right and it was done for a gag. Then it's even funnier since it's actually true.
>>344955191
Isn't there a DS version? How is it?
>>344955324
The entire game is a gag-filled musical.
>>344955191
>Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure.
Is there an option for this game with the original Japanese songs/voices? Really like the idea of it, but scared to death of what a PS1 game with dubbed singers would be like.
>>344955397
It's VERY easy. Like 'set auto battle' and... you won.
Good character designs and the dialogue is what really carries it.
Never played the DS version though.
Is there any western fanbase with a bigger victim complex than Dragon Quest?
