Dragonfall>Hong Kong>DMS, but I like the premise of DMS best
Racter is my favorite character in the series
Street Samurai is the most fun archetype
>>344782895
>but I like the premise of DMS best
Pretty much. It shit the bad when it decided to go withastral bugsplot. And fuck the game for forcing the Harlequin on me towards the end.
I really enjoyed both dragonfall and hong kong, dragonfall being better in my opinion, and was really impressed how a shitty studio managed to give 3 or more ways to handle almost every mission at any moment but somehow cant find the interest to replay them after the first run. Also my character always end up being specialized on shotguns or assault rifles somehow.
Man I fucking suck at roleplaying.
>>344782895
Define the premise. A detective story about investigating the death of a guy who hired you himself is honestly great but holy fuck, >>344783067 this guy had it right.Scientologists and interdimensional bagswas just why tier. It really left a poor taste in my mouth, especially for someone who hadn't known anything about Shadowrun before. Good thing Dragonfall was great.
I haven't played Hong Kong yet and I know it's not as good but if it's got enough side runs for me to do, I'll be happy. I always enjoy several stories in a general setting, Sin City style, more than one large plot. It makes the world seem less like it revolves around you.
Fairly hyped for Battletech after playing Dragonfall. HBS has shown that they can do good RPGs
>>344783903
HK is once again rooted in magical nonsense, but at least the danger comes off as much more believable and, well, threatening. Problem is a LOT of HK hinges on how much you care about the personal angle.
>>344784085
The problem with DMS wasn't the magic threat itself, it was the fact that it came completely out of nowhere with zero foreshadowing. It felt like writers were just throwing darts at a board to figure out what to put in the game.
>>344782895
Dragonfall=Hong Kong>DMS, but I like the premise of Hong Kong best
Dietrich is my favorite character in the series
Physical Adept is the most fun archetype
>>344784003
Yeah. I fucking love Battletech and HBS have proven themselves in my eyes, so I backed that shit the moment I heard about it.
>>344784504
It had quite a bit of foreshadowing, but you had to go out of your way to find it by talking to NPCs.
>>344784794
It still felt really lazy. It feels like the plot with the crazy elf serial killer should have been the only one, but stretched further.
>>344784713
>>344784003
What's Battletech about anyway? As far as I understand it's a tabletop game about mechs but what makes it special?
>>344784504
HK actually foreshadows things quite heavily, almost too heavy-handedly at times. Like, literally every single NPC feels something wrong and has weird dreams and shit.
>>344783903
I meant rhe premise as in the thing you would use to sell the game to someone. Your friend hiring you to avenge his own death is a great idea.
>>344784621
I like physical adept fine, but I usually just pick up one or two passives and get some cyberware anyways.
>>344785051
>What's Battletech about anyway?
Long story short and put in modern context? It's Game of Thrones in space where various Houses battle with mechs for dominion, with less politicking and more explosions. That's a very very cliff notes summary because it's a huge franchise covering everything from wargaming to roleplaying, novels included. It also kinda fell of the grid in mid-00s for some reason.
>>344785051
>As far as I understand it's a tabletop game about mechs but what makes it special?
It's -the- tabletop game about mechs. It's not really all that special in any way besides being the gold standard of tt mech games that all others are compared to. It's also by far the most popular one.
It's pretty much to mechs what D&D is to fantasy.
>>344785375
>>344785535
Alright, that's pretty cool.
>>344782895
>Dragonfall>Hong Kong>DMS
Agreed.
>Racter is my favorite
Agreed.
>Street Samurai is the most fun archetype
Disagree. They don't really get anything that everyone else couldn't do either. I've had more fun with a heavily chromed katana-wielding Decker. Or an Elven Eagle Shaman sniper.
>>344783903
>I know it's not as good
It's a question of taste. Most people put Hong Kong at or near Dragonfall.
I'd say the ratings go something like:
DMS: 7/10
DF: 10/10
HK: 9/10
>>344785051
Yeah I'm not trying to say that it was a good twist, it really wasn't. There was definitely foreshadowing though, although most of it only made sense as such in hindsight. I think they were just trying to be too subtle about it, while Hong Kong wasn't subtle enough about its magic stuff.
>>344786287
I think a lot of people are put off by the setting in HK as opposed to more relatable Berlin in DF.
>>344786140
Street Sam in these games seems worthless in these games compared to the tabletop where they get more tangible benefits. Just take your preferred weapon skill to as high as you can get it and leave it at that.
For example, when I did Dragonfall, my character was a pistol user with some low level mage and shaman skills (for aim and haste), and those two spells made me much better than a straight Street Sam.
>>344782895
Fampai, please. dragonfall = hongkong.
Id even go so far as to say hongkong > dragonfall but thats just my personal preference.
>>344786502
>>344786140
>playing a chromed to gills cyber troll with hongkongs cyber tree
>have 150 health and 10 armor
>killed the final boss in a single round with just my player character and koschei
>>344782895
I couldn't stand the games because of how shitty they made deckers and the lack of importance of the charisma skill in dialogue. There's, what, one fucking option the entire game for academics and socialite combined?
>>344787612
Returns? Yeah its pretty shit. But dragonfall and hong kong, hong kong specifically because one of your teammates is a ghoul have much more charisma and ettiquetes
>>344782895
Literally all correct except that the DMS premise is kinda stupid because it's just "SUDDENLY, DEMON BUGS".
HK's whole chi concept was really well introduced and thought out imo so that takes the cake for me.
>>344782895
I like HK more but I realize that it falls flat if you don't care about the Wu's family reunion and just want to be a shadowrunner in China.
Is the new mini-campaign they added to SR:HK fun?
>>344788594
No. Not really. Its... its bad.
>>344786662
I disagree!
>>344786662
He kinda looks like Billy Bob Thorton
>>344788594
It's alright, except it tries to make a big emotional focal point on a particular event you will have most likely forgotten about because it happens so early on in the main campaign. At least it has a decent choice at the end to piss off Duncan.
>>344789054
Holy shit, who on earth would go with duncan. I was roleplaying a super protective big brother character but even then i went against himBecause the team was my family now too
>>344788749
What's so bad about it?
>>344788863
3spoopy5me
I LOVED Dragonfall until the final part of the game. I think the plot was very well built until the dragon, that part felt way too rushed. I'm really interested in HK.
I enjoyed playing through Dragonfal once, but dropped HK after a couple of runs, it feels like something that a group of dedicated modders could have put together in a couple of months, if they release yet another game that is exactly the same shit I'm not even going to bother pirating it.
>>344784003
That looks suprisingly great.
No stupid toy mechs, no fucking garish map...
I´m cautiously hyped.
>>344784003
> mechs can only shoot at one target
> in a game where one of the mascots (Atlas) has a gun on his butt
granted they might try and change it but considering everything else HBS has done, it's gonna be another glorified phone game
>>344792415
It's a mockup, but considering they stayed very true to how they originally pitched Shadowrun Returns visually we can be pretty sure this won't be MN9 all over again.
>>344792415
>>344792650
I think the problem is a lot of people expect Battletech to be an RPG. It won't be, it's going to be more strategy.
See those mountains?
Youcan'tclimb them!
>>344785051
1000 years into the future mankind has bombed itself into technical stupidity (but even before that they could not cure cancer), so there is very limited travel between the stars, and even less communication. Everything is salvaged and repaired badly, feudal systems crossed with high tech everywhere. Armies are less defined by soldiers and more by warriors who mostly own their mechs, also mercenaries are the shit.
The phone company holds every faction in a stranglehold while sitting on earth with hidden legions of mechs from before everything became shitty planning to take over one day.
One of the major factions is feudal japan, and unbeknownst to all the descendants of the vanished army of the super state from the past lurks somewhere, genetically engineering superhuman pilots and infantry developing a technophile mongol horde that vows to save humanity by tearing down all of human space and forcing them into their khanate.
There is also a fanfic that became so popular that they made it official and the author went mad and transformed his protagonist into an anthropomorphic creature. Also the amount of shitty novels for the universe it is staggering.
>>344793337
>>344792752
I know exactly what I would expect from battletech on PC, but I do not assume that we would get something so..., elegantly simple like a faithful adaptation.
No, instead we got mechassault.
>>344783903
>why tier
It's Shadowrun, that's why. You want a cookie cutter detective noir cyberpunk game, go to Cyberpunk 2070. Oh wait, it doesn't exist lol.
>>344784003
I hope they include a lot of shitty stupid mechs like the dragon or the urbanmech and make the game random in what you can loot, so that you sometimes only get shit and have to claw your way throught the mud.
Many of the earlier mech games suffered from only having a single mech for every weight, except when they put in clan mechs that were weirdly not really better.
>>344793929
>It's a fantasy setting doesn't need to have consistency episode
>>344786287
>any of these games
>10/10
what.
>>344782895
I can agree with everything you say, except that Racter = Gaichu. They're equally great.
>>344782895
Decker here
Sega Shadowrun > slag the rest
>>344794165
Dude. What? It's fucking Shadowrun. It's gimmick is fantasy + cyberpunk.
>>344794258
Snes has a God tier OST though.
>>344794282
That doesn't excuse it from having an illogically constructed story, which DMS had. My problem wasn't magic shit, my problem was it looking like an asspull.
As someone who's never played Shadowrun, which game should I start with?
>>344794596
Just follow the release order
>>344794596
start with dragonfall, move onto Hong Kong.
Avoid Returns, it's clunky and the lest interesting of the bunch.
>roll street samurai
>alright being a samurai it's time to go full melee and only use the weapon of choice for samurais, a ninja sword folded 10 0000 times
>miss miss miss miss miss miss miss
What exactly am I getting wrong here? Why is my dude missing with a melee weapon he's stood right fucking next to someone? And why is the damage so shit tier, I'm putting myself in a vulnerable position and barely doing any more damage than the party members using guns (except on a crit) and missing just as often
>>344794596
Snes shadowrun.
>>344794478
It wasn't if you knew the lore desu. Problem with DMS is that its target audience were fans of the game already who are pushing 40.
>>344794765
Everyone is shit tier at the start of the game but make sure to have at least 5 in Close Combat.
>>344782895
Racter is the fucking "psst... nothing personnel.... kid" stereotype made real.
He's proud of having been diagnosed a sociopath because he thinks it makes him better than everyone else and he can make super sick bodymods because of his wicked sense of humor and higher than average tolerance for pain.
He's an edgelord in every single sense of the word.
>>344794451
I liked the kickstarter where the design lead or whatever for that game was hit with a bunch of shit in the office.
Imo all the shit tier handheld games they made oh I mean Dragonfall and what not should result in the entire team being beaten for having dared to make such a tremendous pile of shit.
I mean shit if youre going to copy a gimmick style from Ogrebattle and Goldensun and all that shit, at least you could do it right. Or you know just use the style that was originally successfully and explosively expand on it instead of trying to copy someone else and making shovelware.
>>344794812
Again, the lore doesn't excuse the thweest from coming absolutely out of nowhere and having little indication. Sure, there might have been some references to that but it still was essentially "here's a guy whose death he himself hired you to inve-- DUDE BUGS LMAO".
>>344794754
But it's also the easiest and most accessible for a newbie.
>>344794729
>>344794754
>>344794783
I would just play Dragonfall since that seems to be the recommendation, but I don't know whether there's an on-going plot or whether I have to be familiar with the setting.
>>344794451
I still want to play this game.
>>344786662
Hong Kong was better designed. It's missions were varied, often had non or less violent routes with every character build being useful and its companions had decent skill variety. Not to mention all the chrome, drones and spell additions. Oh and better characters like Racter, Gaichu and Gobbet vs DF's two (angry troll and the molested elven devil slut, I forget their names).
Dragonfall had understandably less of everything. I preferred its plot though. Firewing is my waifu. She is kawaii as fuck.
>>344795543
all three returns games are different
i'd recommend playing Returns first because it'll get you in the mood just fine but playing it after DF or HK will just make you angry because they're a direct upgrade from returns
>>344795679
>cuck
Fuck off, Alt-Right faggot.
>>344795543
There's no consistent plot, just a recurring character.
I'd still suggest to start with Returns. It might be less interesting, but it introduces the background and the lore well. And it's easy, and rather short.
>>344796002
>Alt-Right
You have no idea what that means.
>>344796223
I know that they say cuck constantly like a bunch of brain damaged chickens.
>>344795679
the fuck are you talking about?
>>344793337
>tfw no Eiger romance
>>344796002
>>344796402
>>344795679
Why not just report and hide, you fucking autists? Jesus.
>>344795679
The theme is cyberpunk, the SJW nightmare. It mocks authoritarianism, which is the SJ pinnacle.
Great bait though, well done.
>>344796223
That's exactly what it means.
>>344796659
Alright then, tell us which dialogue triggered you specifically
>>344796659
>words hurt my feelings enough to rant on the internet and try to make other people feel shame for enjoying them
horseshoe theory at its finest
>>344796659
>Cyberpunk is now SJW
jesus fuck /pol/ is getting more and more annoying by the day
Hong Kong has the best mechanics overall by a very big margin, but the pacing felt weird and the story had nothing to DF. If it wasn't because all the QoL changes added to HK, I would recommend people to play HK before Dragonfall.
Storywise, I agree with OP.
> I like the premise of DMS best
The premise of Hong Kong was the worst imo. After the good character development from Dragonfall we're forced to do the whole "now you're Shadowrunners" plot.
>>344782895
The "bad end" on Dragonfall was amazing.
I've been so scared from just a bunch of written words before.
It's awesome.
>>344797271
The best part is that all of that meshed with existing shadowrun lore.
A few years after the events from Dragonfall, Dunklezahn is elected president of the UCAS, but is killed 4 hours later by a car bomb while in human form.In reality, it was a coverup to mask him doing a huge fucking blood magic ritual on himself to keep the horrors at bay for another century or so. If you unleash the virus, the big D dies before he can do this, and the world gets fucked as a result.
>>344797464
>a coverup to mask him doing a huge fucking blood magic ritual on himself to keep the horrors at bay for another century or so
I thought that was just fan speculation.
>>344793337
>>344793337
I'm gonna have a bloody booze-fuelled brawl with Eiger and have nasty hatesex on top of Glory
