Reminder: Devil May Cry 4 perfected combat
>>343862303
No, that was DMC3:SE with style switcher.
>>343862451
Style switcher is an absolutely gamebreaking heresy. It makes as much sense as a mod in which you press 1 single button and everything on screen dies - it's completely fun killing and untimately pointless. When you destroy the very basis of a game's mechanics, which is single styling a level/bloody palace run, it's no longer considered modding, it's actually nothing more than a steamy pile of utter shit.
If you think otherwise you're beyond salvation and should seriously consider crushing your DMC3 physical copy into pieces and sticking the larger ones in your eyeballs.
>>343862303
The only thing missing is an enemy that can keep up with and counter against such fast paced combos, placing more importance in attacking that fast and constantly than just how cool it looks
>All that
>Only worth an S
DMC4's combat is great, but the upper echelons of skill for it really breaks the style gauge. I've seen people juggle like 5 guys and use every move in the game at once, and get a B.
>>343862303
>triggers turn based fags
>not this triggers the fromdrone
also, post some more good Nero videos
>>343863843
Still better than DmC where you get an SSS by nothing more than doing the same combo 12 times and dodging hits.
The game just went on sale on XBL for 12.50, should I get?
>>343864124
>12.50
It routinely goes on sale on PC for $5 or less.
DMC4 would've been better if it weren't for the backtracking and fighting the same bosses in reverse order
because of that I still think 3 holds the throne of best DMC game
>>343862303
>filename
fuck you turn-based is god-tier genre.
Too bad it has shit everything else
>>343863697
>stop liking what I don't like
>my opinion matters
>ACT still exists
no
>>343864249
darkest dungeon is pretty cool but its too repetitive
higher tier dungeons rarely have any new threats (at most there are 1 or 2 new monsters in the 2nd and 3rd tier) and all the bosses are just the same, but with higher numbers
once you beat all the apprentice dungeons, there's really no content to look forward to outside of the darkest dungeon
>>343864194
Bull fucking shit
I've been watching it since it released, and it has never been lower than 15$
I like the combat in MG Rising.
Anyone have webms of that?
>>343862303
why cant we have a coop beat em up with the depth of a dmc game??
>>343864465
Are you looking at Special Edition, or the original?
>>343864454
I can understand that argument. Kind of wish more enemies appeared at higher levels to make the strategy more varied. I've fought too many ghouls in my life. I can also understand the grind complaints, but that didn't stop this from being a solid 10/10 for me.
>>343863843
That combo was flashy, but if you take a closer look you'll see that he was basically doing the same shit over and over with little variety; I think an S was too generous.
>>343864534
Why? The game shallow as hell. Sam has some cool stuff though, even though he's just a glorified Dynasty Warriors character.
>>343864631
SE
I already own the original on 360, but never finished it.
>>343864617
Bayonetta 2 tried but the combat sucks compared to 1 and the online is dead
>Enemy just takes it
*yawn* remember when DMC games were challenging? I sure don't.
Can I do that with a mouse and keyboard?
Or something close at least.
>>343862303
>perfect combat
>can't even use mouse
fucking lmao
>>343864658
oh yeah, i still enjoyed it, but it had its flaws. i beat it on strict mode, but because of the repetitiveness and grindy nature, I never really felt like doing another playthrough.
but since early access, i put in about 50-60 hours, so my purchase was pretty worth.
>>343864850
You're playing DMC for the wrong reasons.
>>343864919
God Hand blows it out if the water and manages to be both score centric as well as challenging.
DMC4:SE is the best thing ever
>>343865006
>God Hand
OH BOY HERE WE GO.
>>343865006
Two completely different combat systems.
>>343865006
this
I love both DMC and God Hand, but God Hand just has much more challenging enemy AI. The problem with DMC is that 90% of the enemies just walk around so you can style on them
the first DMC game has the best combat in the series
>>343863697
>It makes as much sense as a mod in which you press 1 single button and everything on screen dies
They're talking about 3 with the Style Switcher, not 4SE Vergil.Though I agree that I prefer the original balance of un-modded DMC3. It made the game more strategic instead of just WOAH CURAYZEE
>>343865050
But the only good thing about it Vergil
>>343865104
That doesn't matter, Ninja Gaiden also manages to have a score syststem on top of providing challenging basic foes.
>>343865285
>>343864919
1 and 3 both have challenging enemies (though 3 has a lot of braindead enemies too) while still giving the player plenty of combo freedom.
>>343865470
Fuck they should release NG:Black on PC. I fucking loved that game.
>Friend says DMC2 is the shittiest in the series.
Why is that? I've never played it but it seems like it holds the same position as DS2 in the Souls series.
>>343862303
>nerfed styles
>removed moves
>useless gunslinger
>half assed darkslayer
>shit weapons
I wouldn't call it perfect in any way. If anything, DMC3 with SS mod is much better.
>>343865525
it's true
>>343865050
>>343865368
DMC4 was better than DMC3. The enemies and bosses were overall better. The only real knocks on 4 compared to 3 are the lack of weapon variety, having to kill the bosses 3 times per playthrough and the backtracking.
3 had some of the most unfun bullshit enemies I ever seen in a game. It had many enemies like this in fact.
>>343865707
>Why is that?
The short answer is everything. Fucking everything went wrong with that game. The combat is slow and shallow, the enemies are a joke, and the environments are massive, bland, and empty. Even Dante is completely wooden and boring in DMC2. It has absolutely nothing that made the rest of the games worthwhile.
>>343865707
Koei Tecmo and Team Ninja lost the source code, on top of being lazy, so at best you'll get a PC port of sigma instead of trying to recreate the original two as close as possible.
Also DMC 2 was a worse DMC game that DaS2 was a DaS game. Just had a darker tone, combat was much easier, Lucia wasn't fun to play.
>>343865470
It does matter. The gameplay's entire premise is brutal hand-to-hand combat. Enemies hit hard as hell and dodging correctly plays a massive role in how long you'll survive, but that's not easy when enemies usually attack all at once and in erratic patterns. DMC is about juggling enemies.
>>343865707
nooo, DMC2 is much much worse than DS2
I think people blow how bad DS2 is out of proportion. I think it's the worst game in the series, but at the same time I think it's like a 7/10 at the least.
DMC2's combat is just laughably bad. It feels like Dante is constantly walking through wet concrete, the weapons consist of a sword, a light sword and a heavy sword and guns are ridiculously overpowered so you can just press Square to win
i liked the demon form customisation though, that was neat.
>>343865707
You can kill everything with just the pistols
>no gifs
>only webms
>>343862303
nothing personnel: the series
>>343865697
>DMC1
>combo freedom
tippest top
Also, DMC3 has atrocious enemy design across the board. You can call them challenging or whatever you want, but they're definitely the antithesis to fun aside from Sloths
>>343866181
i never noticed. was too busy having orgasms worth of fun
>>343864867
I play fighting games with the steam controller. Anything is possible if you put your mind to it.
>>343866293
With what? The angels that spent the entire time going through walls? Or the Enigmas that spammed projectiles and continuously backdashed away from you? Or maybe the fucking chest pieces?
>>343865967
>Koei Tecmo and Team Ninja lost the source code
Fuck.
On the subject of Ninja Gaiden are any of the later ones any good. Loved NG:Black, then I played NG2 but something about it was off. Heard 3 was a bit shitty.
>>343866514
I dunno. I never really had any issues my nigga.
>>343866696
Vanilla 3 is shit. Never played razors edge.
>>343864867
DMC4 has actually shit pad controls since styleswitching makes everything overcomplicated control wise. Keyboard is a pro choice.
>>343866696
I had no issues with NG2. Play it again nigger. 3:Razor's Edge fixes a lot of the problems, play that.
>>343862303
Reminder: If it's too hard for normies it won't sell
>>343866985
That's okay.
>>343866868
That looks fucking retarded.
>>343867020
Tell that to the you who wants DMC5
>>343862303
I agree.
I said the combat was much better in this than Bayonetta and the comment section I was in lost their mind.
Not saying I don't like Bayo, I just don't think it's near as deep as the combat system in DMC4.
Too bad DMC4 loses steam near the end.
>>343866868
>requires higher apm than the original sc
Neato.
>>343866868
That does not look fun
>>343867103
I buried him deep away, I think 4SE is an okay end to the franchise and I'm done crying about no DMC5. I expect Bayonetta 3 to be an XBone exclusive at this rate. Stylish Action games are over and it's time to just move on.
>>343866868
>That hand cross over at 0:18
Fucking hell
>>343866873
>3:Razor's Edge fixes a lot of the problems
Still a shit NG game though.
>>343867220
>I expect Bayonetta 3 to be an XBone exclusive at this rate
Why?
>>343867187
It kind of comes off as one of those people that beat Dark Sould with a Guitar Hero peripheral.
Just because you can do it, doesn't mean I want to.
>>343864273
It matters more than yours because it's substantiated with arguments, namely: IT BREAKS THE GAME.
I love it how millennial acne sufferers feel entitled just because they have an opinion of their own. Liking utter crap doesn't elevate you to heavenly levels. It's just like a scat fetishist who glorifies coprophagia or a Justin Bieber fan - when what you like is void of any merits and/objectively observable quality, your opinion is fucking worthless.
>>343867324
He probably thinks MS will try to buy it as another exclusive they finance to try to get people onto W10/Xbone. Same thing they did with Scalebound.
>>343867573
Anon there's no point in arguing with people who can't come up with anything other than "Well I liked it!", it's the equivalent of screaming at a wall.
>>343867296
I mean yeah but its still worth playing if you're a fan.
It's like saying Mega Man 7 or 8 is a shit mega man but they're still alright
>>343867763
It's more like DmC but without heavy lore rape.
>>343863760
An enemy who can counter your attacks mid combo would kill fun. You have to either hold back and get a solid b or have a SSS get countered down to a C. Either way you already have to use defense to keep high combos in DMC4
>>343867706
Theres no point because it doesn't matter what you think of their taste, just let them like what they like, damn.
>>343862303
>Devil May Cry 4 perfected combat
What does this even mean? There are different styles of combat, from over-the-top anime to more grounded in reality. This is stupid.
>>343868165
/v/ hates combat that's grounded in reality.
>>343868123
You aren't suddenly free from being criticized from liking something just because you say you enjoy it, if anything your inability to describe why you enjoy something makes you even more open to criticism.
>>343862303
>>343864249
wow i sure love RNG combat
It can still be a lot better. There needs to be at least 3 different buttons for 3 different styles of attack each with their own combos and interlacing combos. 2 feels like too little now. You repeat moves too often.
Although DMC4 has great combat, it loses a lot thanks to the enemies either being braindead punching bags or general annoyances.
>>343868649
Where would you place the 3rd button? Dante's moveset takes up the whole controller.
>DMC4SE makes the graphics worse, removes 16:10 support, and is unstable due to DX10
>Capcom never released any patches or updates to fix it
>but it has 3 extra characters
JUST
>>343864534
>Endlessly juggling an enemy that doesn't fight back
I've never understood the appeal of this
>>343869380
>DMC4SE makes the graphics worse
What did they change?
>Doing finger gymnastics on a helpless enemy is the peak of combat
Wew lad, action games really are shit after all
>>343869783
>That missed triple at the end
Will never be able to be impressed by this webm, you could be performing frame perfect moves I don't give a shit you missed a super easy sweet-ass triple slash at the end
>>343869380
your fault for having a meme ratio display, anon
>>343868315
...yes, I'm free from being criticized from liking something because I don't need your approval. Whether or not I have what you consider valid reasons is irrelevant because NO ONE ASKES YOU OR CARES
>>343870285
I wouldn't mind it just simply having letterboxing, because I get that in a bunch of games, but it literally renders in 16:10, and then scales it down to 16:9 and it adds artifacts and shit
>>343870412
kek how fucking pathetic can you be.
>>343865006
God Hand's scoring system is garbage though. If you want to optimize your score, the best choice is to just keep dying constantly and milking the same enemies. It doesn't matter how you do it as long as you do it, it doesn't even matter which enemies you kill since they all give the same bonuses at the end. Not that DMC's is much better though.
I've been playing a lot of DMC4SE lately and damn Vergil is fun. I'm pretty bad at frosts though. Mostly just spam lunar phases and blistering swords.
>>343864534
>>343870412
what are you doing on /v/ if you don't want unsolicited opinions you wuss
>>343870412
>...yes, I'm free from being criticized
Do you know where you are kid?
>>343870584
It's scary how powerful the fox blade is
>>343870584
>max upgrades and still not playing on the Revengeance difficulty
lmao
>>343866696
did you play ng2 sigma? I think they removed a shit ton of enemies or something.
>>343870584
>Press X to win
>>343862303
Not even close.
Floaty ass shit.
>>343870883
Removed enemies and dismemberment
>>343870914
>I'll just say a buzzword and that's why the gameplay is bad.
jump off of the nearest bridge
I don't like how Vergil plays in DMC4SE.
He feels a lot like the combat in DmC. He has crazy crowd control, can move around extremely easily and also stay in the air no problem.
If you compare him to Dante he feels EXTREMELY passive, you don't really feel like you're doing that much. With Dante you feel totally in control, Vergil is "Press a few buttons, cool shit happens, everything dies" like in DmC.
>>343863760
That's Credo then.
>>343870584
>default costume in cutscenes
seriously why is this allowed
>>343870905
X is both attack and block so, yeah, press x to win.
>>343866696
I actually prefer 3 to the rest. Combat feels really intense compared to the others.
I haven't even played Razors Edge.
>>343870989
I played it many years ago.
Didn't feel like I was fighting at all.
>>343864215
>dmc3
>the game where you literally have to fight the bosses all over again in order to progress
>>343862303
Serious question, what's the deal with DMC 4 Special Edition? I know it's got new playable characters, but is that it?
There wasn't really that many enemies or bosses to fight in DMC4, so what is there to do in the new one?
>>343871034
because none of the cutscenes are in-engine
they're all FMV videos
the game would be like 1/10th of the filesize if it weren't for that
>>343871091
but muh nostalgia anon!
>>343870942
Dismemberment is still in it, they just toned down the gore.
>>343871001
>He feels a lot like the combat in DmC
Except with directional input.
And air tricks.
And pause combos.
And proper weapon switching.
>>343867875
>lore
>in a ninja gaiden game
You don't actually play for story do you?
Combat implies two sides fighting each other, not someone and a sandbag.
>>343871050
If there's any game that makes it "feel like you're fighting" you're a fucking simpleton.
>>343871049
>I actually prefer 3 to the rest
>>343871050
What does that even mean?
>>343871210
This is one thing I dont like about DMC combat, its only really the bosses that fight on your level.
Ninja Gaiden dosent have that problem though
>>343871303
Blitz wasn't a boss and don't pretend like you didn't struggle with him for a while.
>>343866985
There's always been easy automatic.
>>343871260
>>343871287
Are you animekids for real?
>>343871198
No. But Ryu never was hollywood hero in previous games. He did your ninja business with russian demons instead of saving little girls. NG by Hayashi is incompetent in both gameplay and story.
>>343871368
Thats one enemy out of like dozens dude. And Blitz technically is a miniboss. You only fight like 4 in the entire game
>>343871384
Except automatic makes the game harder.
>>343871462
In what world?
>>343871396
Are you? You're not even saying anything. Just throwing out incredibly vague criticisms and hoping people interpret them correctly.
>>343871542
Have you ever played on automatic? You have no control.
>>343871542
In the world where you want to do specific combos at certain times.
The world of not being shit at the game.
>>343871368
He's pretty much a miniboss
could never get to the end of this game because the rest of the game is boring as shit
>>343871276
What can I say, it was visceral fun.
>>343862303
If turn based combat is so bad then why Dante appearead in several turn based games?
>>343871551
long airtime, in other words high inertia/low friction
attacks don't feel impactful
>>343871628
That's the whole purpose of automatic mode - mash buttons and stuff dies. If you want control you dont play in auto mode. It's easier by definition
>>343871109
I think Legendary Dark Knight mode is new.
>>343871131
I think I played regular because there was a shit ton of blood everywhere after even a small fight. I'll have to give NG2 another go.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UTlTUhB.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>tfw we live in the timeline where Devil May Cry 5 never came out and stylish action games died out
Not like this ;_;
>>343871109
All it added was turbo mode and LDK from the PC version as well as 3 new characters and some costumes. If the core combat system isn't enough to keep you entertained then don't bother.
>>343872313
The combat probably would be enough if I had more to fight than what was in 4.
That being said, 4 was great andI liked the Demon Claw guy.
>>343872063
>high inertia
This isn't an issue at all. In fact, it's one of the things DMC3's combat feels like it lacks. Control over your character in the air generally feels a lot stiffer coming back from 4. You can pull off some really great setups using the inertia to your advantage.
>low friction
>attacks don't feel impactful
Thanks for the extra layer of meaningless dribble
>>343872715
It's not a crime to like Nero
>>343872765
What if Ilike him just as much as Dante?
>>343872715
No new enemies no, Vergil does play very differently from Dante and Nero though. Lady and Trish get boring really fast.
>>343872939
That's fine I guess, I've always been Vergil>* So it doesn't matter, I liked Nero a lot from the start and still do. I also think that Trish is best girl.
>>343872939
Me too. Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v8hKZaq8z0
>>343872063
>attacks don't feel impactful
How?
It's got good sound effects, animations, and even has the hitstop effect. What more could they do?
>>343872962
That's a shame. I'm honestly not the biggest fan of Dmc, but I'd buy 5 in a heartbeat.I bought Donte's game too.
>>343873045
>Trish
Nah, Nero's Waifu is better from apurely wife material viewpoint.
Trish is way more attractive though.
>>343873225
Those are some rockin' beats, anon!
>>343873469
It's not my vid lol, I found it last year.
>>343864249
love it but im sick of devs being lazy and just using rng shit
put Gladius/Shadow Hearts combat system in and then we'll talk
>>343862303
>posts nero
bait thread
>>343867094
you need to go back.
>>343873641
The rng in DD is kind of the point. No matter how much you prepare in life the unexpected can always fuck you over. It's to emphasize the frailty of the characters.
I just heard this from one of the developers, I don't actually play the game myself.
Daily reminder that DMC5 needs 5 styles you select at the start of each level like DMC 3. 4 normal ones and a fifth you unlock at the end that lets you switch between slightly paired down versions of each.
ninja gaiden is better
>>343865967
Got a source?
>>343862303
You always,ALWAYS can do better, programming wise.
But then it gets economically unfeasible at a certain point.
>>343874183
Better idea.
Dante starts out with the traditional four Styles and he can pick up new ones later on. Once he unlocks a fifth Style, he can mix and match any four Styles as he pleases at the beginning of any mission. Let's be honest, having five Styles on four directional buttons was kinda cumbersome no matter how smoothly you can switch between them if you're good enough. Ideally, it should be one Style per button and that's it.
>>343862303
why do you guys post these like you can even do any of this?
>>343874736
Why not have a style wheel like how there are weapon wheels? Press and hold one of the d-pad directions to bring it up, and use the right stick to select from it. The only thing they'd have to do is make sure that the wheel comes up instantaneously and closes instantaneously. Also, none of that stuff with the game slowing down like they do with Doom 4 or outright pausing like other games
>>343875014
Still too cumbersome. Style-switching should be as easy as pressing a single button.
>>343874736
They just need to allow you map some moves on combinations. Like if you map rainstorm on X+square it'll make life so much easier since you don't need to switch to gunslinger anymore just to do it.
>>343874736
That's actually a pretty great idea anon.
The only problem is that it would presumably necessitate them creating quite a few styles which they're unlikely to do.
>>343875014
Swapping between them instantly is kind of a necessity, though. A wheel would be far too cumbersome.
>>343875280
To be honest, the Gunslingner Style feels a little unnecessary. There's little reason why the standard gun button can't just do everything that Gunslinger can do.
>>343875014
Please don't give Crapcom these kinds of ideas. They might just pick them up.
>>343872203
>we live in the timeline where DMC3 and 4 came out
>>343873225
>open a DMC combo video
>press mute right away
>>343871091
Except there's a twist in being able to choose which bosses (to a point) you fight AND that you're maxed out at that point. Oh yeah, and it's meant to be a FUCKING CHALLENGE.
>>343870584
>Fox blade
Lol
>>343865285
It has the best visual aesthetics and OST but nothing else
>>343871050
Let me guess: you're a dir hard souls fan?
Just start another thread in which you can invent lorr for Clunky Souls: Yet Another Random Hitbox Placement. There you can samefag to death about the incomprehensible merits of your own version of Twilight fandom.
>>343862303
Is there anything more satisfying then just guard/release/charge?
>>343877274
Nope.
Even when it's not you.
>>343864534
here ya goSam
God damn Creedo was a fun boss battle one of a kind
>>343862303
whats so fun about mashing buttons and juggling around useless enemies?
I hate those cancel everything on the first frame combos. I'm not denying the execution is hard but finish a move for fucks sake
>>343878519
>mashing buttons
