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>>343708772
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>When Diana was acting drunk and when she asked sigma to sleep with her

Holy fuck, I need to go jerk off to Lexi Belle
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>old thread died as I was posting
god dammit

And to anyone else complaining about it, is your problem with the transporter it's alien origin or how it works? I have issues with the alien origins but I think it's function is perfectly fine.

>>343707370
>My point isn't that it's unbelieveable, this series has always been science fiction.
When you call something "Cartoon tier shit" I imagine you mean it's unbelievable.

>It's a standard deus ex machina dropped in a series that relies on cleverness to resolve plotlines.
It's a deus ex machina but it's a well designed one, there was no other way to solve the "brother can shift his body through timelines" plothole from VLR without breaking the morphogenetic field rules. It's not the best, but it's far from shit.

>You don't see the difference in the significance of actually sending atomic information compared to thoughts and I'm an idiot? Right.
And you don't see how they work on the same principle? That's the point, they're not breaking any rules like you said in your first reply, I wasn't trying to argue if it's good or bad, I was just saying that you're wrong about how the machine broke the rules.
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>>343708772
>this scene
my sides
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>>343709075
I was somewhat upset when that scene played because I thought that was what that reviewer was refering to with the rape scene.
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>>343706895
Nah man you don't understand.

When I voted for either C team as D team (or the other way around I can't remember) the execution was still Q which means in that timeline Q HAD to have voted itself in some crazy act of retardation.
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Is there a list of all the x-passes that correlates to each character?
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>>343704515
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Why did Sigma and Phi suddenly forget how to cheat using SHIFTing for most of the game? Why did they even bother with Old Sigma? Was there ever a point where he proved more capable then young sigma at the AB games? It seems like all the prep from the 3rd nonary game didn't accomplish jack shit.
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>>343709312
Insert that copypasta here about misunderstandings etc etc remove your name
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>You MindHack™ Gab
what's in that tiny little dog brain, anon?
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>>343709448
His scheme for more cheese
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>>343709448
Noping the fuck outta here when Akane and Carlos start going at it.
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Was it ever explained why the transporter didn't work when Sigma and Diana first tried it out? Is the only reason the BOOTSTRAP PARADOX?
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>>343708941
I told you, my motives are
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>>343709643
It duplicates people, not move them to another timeline. You end up with one extra copy. Like a fax machine.
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>>343709643
It did work out, but the transporter works as a FAX machine, so it copies Sigma and Diana and sends them to another timeline, the ones who entered are still trapped in their timeline
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Someone do this
>>343678785

with Delta and Eric.
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>>343708772
Just finished it.

Still thought it was great, as much as I personally can't stand stable time loops and ancient ayys.
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>>343709963
Fucking hell everything carlos does is hilarious
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>>343709960
Why would you play this series if you can't stand stable time loops.
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>>343709379
>that perfect tight ass
Sigma and Diana confirmed for best genetics.
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>>343709212
I don't have an issue with it being alien in origin, 'cause the word alien can mean something that we do not completely comprehend. This can mean that the human race evolved into something that does not resemble what we are right now.

Anyway, my main issue with this is primarily on how it was presented or the timing of it. Why did it take three games for it to show up? Wouldn't you think that Akane would know about it, seeing how powerful she is?
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>>343709963
Q at the bottom right
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>>343708941
I bet the entire time he's watching Q team he's just thinking "Man are these fuckheads REALLY required for Humanity's survival"
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>>343710031
Because it's fun.
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>>343709885
>I'M GOING TO A HISTORY WHERE PHI EXISTS
>teleports to a history where she's also dead
I laughed a little, I couldn't help it
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So I was watching a streamer stream this for 24h with only a 11min summary of VLR and 999 and I must say ZTD did a good job in keeping newcomers interested. Granted he did skip over most of the flavor text but managing to stream the game for 20h non stop with 4k+ viewers is pretty good. My only gripe I feel when I was watching is that the game backseats the player too much sometimes, in that regard an Easy/Normal mode from VLR would be pretty nice here.
Overall I think it did a good job as a standalone game but as a sequel perhaps a little less subpar for us with higher expectations
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>>343708941
>Yfw there was a timeline where Zero set up the entire game, had it all planned out, probably used complex algorithms and whatnot to determine every outcome and plan for it, only to scrap it all and put it all away because they got the coin flip right
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>>343709383
All the prep from the 3rd nonary game was base on the assumption everything was gonna be swell if they stopped free the souls plan.
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>>343710063
About the transporter? She obviously know, did you play VLR?
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Man, what was up with the part with Carlos baiting Junpei into beating the shit out of him?
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>>343710067
I really don't like that shadow thing, because why would we assume the shadow belongs to a mysterious 10th player instead of just a table/machine/ANYthing else?
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>>343710089
>Q team is so hopeless he had to get his robot minion to do all the puzzles.
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>>343710248
He explained it like 15 minutes after it dude.
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Went to AX, watches were way too fucking expensive. Who here jelly
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>>343710248
Specifically explained in ending
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>Zero is a completely new character
>And also totally a villain
Well, that's one twist I was not expecting.

Have the models been ripped to SFM yet?
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>>343710323
I am honestly.
Did you manage to spoiler someone?
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>>343710228
I did. Just don't remember all the details of it. Did she talk about it during the epilogue, 'cause the only thing I remember from it was her young self showing up in FtS robes to talk to Sigma, and her old self talking to ?, telling us that Kyle went back to the past to help out Sigma.
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>mfw the reason Mira kills Junpei is because that's the only timeline when both C and Q team are alive

Also I wish spoiler text didn't break greentext
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>>343710323
I am. I want those watches.
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>accidentally read a spoiler on /v/ about Junpei being Zero

It's great it was a fake spoiler, but FUCKING HELL I SPENT THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME BEING SUSPICIOUS OF ANYTHING JUNPEI WAS DOING.
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>>343710323
Did you ask Uchi about Kyle
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>>343710419
Delta likes this
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Just got twins end but don't have any "!" on my timeline tree. Help?
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renewing requests for webums.
listed so far:
>kamen rider phi
>da blue button bomb
>diana and sigma "flirting"
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>>343710431
She told Alice and Clover that there was a way for them to go back to their own time.
Of course it'd only copy them, but still.
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I read about people going about how Maria was healed and is now a SHIFTer, Junpei and Akane got married, and that Sean broke Mira out of jail after they got married too. Where do I see it?
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>>343708772
Alright so I seem to have a bit of a dead end of sorts and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.

I've done all the fragments available to me and besides the Force Quit Box's (which I assume the answers to those will be revealed) I only haven't been able to complete 2 choices, both on Q's team

3 way stand off I'm missing two possibilities and Who killed Mira? I haven't been able to give Eric an answer where he doesn't blow my head off. I got Q's "happy" ending but it doesn't seem like any of the information I was given there works with the answers the game wants from me?

Any help?
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>>343710603
Door of Truth.
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Anyone have a timeline for the experiences of the Other Carlos(es?) who got fucked over by Savior Carlos' incessant SHIFTing?
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>yfw
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>>343710248
All part of Carlos's really stupid plan which was pointless anyway.

Carlos also enjoyed having Junpei grind on his lap.
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>>343710431
VLR's Akane should've known about the transporter because Carlos transported to that timeline to save her and Junpei.

She doesn't talk about it because it's not needed and because it's a plot device introduced in the third game just to fix plotholes that were probably not fixable in any other way (Phi's birth, Brother being able to move his body between timelines).

Though I imaigne it's how she helped Clover and Alice too, it does make sense.
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>>343710648
The Files in the menu
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>>343710614
seanbot launching at carlos, as he shifts back just in time to unleash his new technique: moving to the side

please and thank you
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>>343710648
The files
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>>343710559
>>343710424
I couldnt ask him anything, they made us get the signatures then get the fuck out. The panel was pretty lame too because they didnt take any spoiler questions, someone asked about kyle i think but he shrugged it off.
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>>343710656
>Who killed Mira?
A hint: He tells you to answer him honestly, so literally answer him honestly.
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So do you all buy into the "Eric fathered himself and his brother with Mira" theory?
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>>343710648
>Maria was healed and is now a SHIFTer
no, but she can access the morphogenetic field like akane said and talks to carlos in one of stories
>Junpei and Akane got married
in one of stories
>Sean broke Mira out of jail after they got married too
w00t from me
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>>343710614
More specifically, Diana feeling up Sigma while hes locked to the chair. And maybe a compilation of Carlos and Akane playing with Junpei's limbs
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>>343710614
Junpei getting mad about the dice game rules
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>>343710910
>maybe a compilation of Carlos and Akane playing with Junpei's limbs
as in a montage of all nah these are fake and then the pastry reveal?
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>>343710621
Oh that one. Now that I think about it, that makes sense.

Still wish Uchi gave out more hints about the transporter though.
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After the Who Killed Mira decision, Sean notices some burn mark/stain on the floor. What the hell is it?
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>>343710862
It makes literally no sense.
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>>343710614
all of C team getting gunned down after the first failed dice roll
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>>343710614
Definitely that whole fake rape scene, please
(including Carlos getting beaten up, of couse)
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>>343709075
She wasn't acting, she was drunk. Makes it even more hot.

>>343710621
>>343710739
Wouldn't the transporter be in Delta's possession at the point they get sent back to though?
>>343710656
For the second one, don't press anything. It's dumb.
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>>343710868
she literally got better
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>>343710715
One of the best scenes in the game.

D-Team brought the feels.
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>>343710989
Well, in VLR they said that Brother could shift his whole body through timelines, and the transporter is the only way to solve that plothole without breaking the rules of the morphogenetic field, so some device had to exist.
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>>343711026
Maybe it was Akane's blood
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>>343710985
Yes, but I'm not sure if that's too much or too little for a proper Webm. Just do your best!
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>>343710656
A common point where people get stuck is when getting all the results of the "Execution Game".

Get all possible results and other fragments should unlock.
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>>343710656
You either need to:

1. Do the AB game again
2. Wait for the timer to run out on "Who killed Mira"
3. Make absolutely sure you got ALL TEAMS EXECUTIONS SCENES, the ones with the blowing neck-things.
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>>343709635
>Zero just happened to have a spare couch he commanded the Sean bots to replace
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>>343711149
*of course
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>>343710715
One of the only scenes where I felt strong emotions
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>>343711178
They could just be sent back to post nuclear explosion in the VLR timeline, or to the fixed timeline after the game ended.
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>>343709379
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CARLOS IS HOMOSEXUAL

CARLOS IS HOMOSEXUAL

CARLOS IS HOMOSEXUAL

SOMEONE ASK UCHI ON TWITTER

I'LL WRITE FAGGOT ON MY FOREHEAD IF IT'S NOT TRUE
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>>343711178
I think that Akane sent them back just some time after they were kidnapped, which would be after the events of ZTD so I think Delta would be either dead already or hiding somewhere else.


OR he gave Akane the transporter after she went to that meeting.
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>thanks to cut content the grand master plan in VLR amounted solely to Sigma and Diana fucking
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I thought Diana would end up killing six billion via a decision game result. Instead she just did it through pure retardation. Time to rename this to 'i intentionally six billion'
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>>343711370
How the fuck can Snake even see that shit?
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>>343711267
Now that you've pointed it out, I wonder if Uchi wrote himself into a corner in this game to the point that he had to rely on a 3D fax to solve the various plot points.
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>>343711483
So did young sigma get cucked by old sigma?
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Too bad they didn't enable PS TV support quick enough so I played the entire thing on my Vita.

Life is simply unfair.
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>>343711268
>>343711026
This. It was probably stains from Akane's blood.
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>>343711548
>you would let Phi and Sigma die
Explain yourself
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>>343711483
Was it really cut content, or Uchi incapable of writing a satisfying end to that plot thread?
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>>343711108
That look on Akane's face is great.
And holy fuck she's gorgeous
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TIME TO DECIDE

Marry Akane?

[I do]
[I don't]
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>>343710715
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>>343711606
>>343711268
thanks dudeskis, that makes sense. It could have been some neat foreshadowing, but it just appeared and then was gone and I didn't know what it could possibly mean.
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>>343710614
When Junpei hits on Carlos, I think its the cinematic before the first C team vote. And afterwards Junpei says Carlos has a sister complex.

That and the drunken Junpei high on life after the dice roll.
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Whenever Eric speaks all I can hear is Speedwagon from the english dub of Jojo
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>>343711710
Jumpy pls don't. She's gonna ride you for all of eternity.
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>>343711430
Look how tight those are on Phi.
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>>343711710
[marry Carlos]
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>>343711710
fuck no
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>>343711710
[I'm gonna marry Carlos instead!]
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>>343709379
>>343711430

If only...
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>>343711710
DONT DO IT!
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>>343711561
I think he wrote himself into a corner in VLR, not this game. The transporter just solves stuff introduced in VLR like Phi's origins (which were likely planned at that point) and Brother being able to shift his body.

Stuff that was introduced in this game is pretty consistent, even the silly Delta twist had a lot of hints and foreshadowing to someone paying close attention.

Writing himself into a corner in VLR is also why I think he just avoided doing anything with Kyle, because honestly that whole VLR epilogue didn't make any sense in the context of VLR nor ZTD.

I think the transporter is a decently used Deus Ex machina, it's only used to fix a couple of plotholes and it's consistent with the series rules.
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>>343711710
>Keyboard appears
>Choose Gab
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>>343711710
YOU WON'T FIND ANY OTHER WOMAN LIKE HER IN YOUR LIFE, MARRY HER!
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>>343711710
Sigma and Phi yelling at you in the background.mp3
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>>343711710
which one is the MIND HACK choice?
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>>343711710
[MARRY AKANE] [AND CARLOS]
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>>343711710
PUSH ITTTT!!
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>>343711695
Epilogue that finishes off the series is entirely in text form, and even then D Team doesn't get anything.

There's a truck load of content that didn't make it, they were working on this until the last second.
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>>343712072
It's the secret option where you get shot by Eric
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>>343712017

Have sex with Diana?

TIME TO DECIDE
60 seconds

PUSH IT IIIIIN SIGMA!
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>>343711921
>only western artists drawing ZTD
>not one japanese artist
T-thanks Japan
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>>343712008
The transporter creates a lot of problems related to the pointlessness of a lot of other actions if such an easy-to-use time machine exists.
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>>343711710
[SHOOT GAB]
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C team was the only team that actually had to face decisions, reason #614 that their fragments were the best

>mfw I know the antidote but tap the wrong choice accidentally, and Junpei curses Carlos with his dying breath as Carlos goes "my bad guys"
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>>343711710

God no, there's literally no one worse than Akane.
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>>343712012
>>343712329

[WHY WOULD YOU MARRY A DOG?]
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>>343712346
C team was probability shit

D team had harder decisions
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>>343712193
>no porn of Diana begging for sex
Why even fucking live?
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What is the stupidest decision in the game?
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>>343712319
Yeah but you could ignore that considering no one had any idea it existed aside from Brother.
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>>343711710
>>343711710
>[MARRY DELTA]
>Your choice is made
>Perceptive END
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>>343712471
Junpei putting on a jumpsuit he pulled out of his ass right before Mira killed him.
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>>343712471
[Shift] [Don't Shift] . If you consider that C-Team shifted trough almost every timeline, the decision it's stupid
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>>343712471
push the "DON'T PUSH" button
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>>343712471
Carlos's heroic rescue that fucked everything.

Built up energy for 10 months to travel to another PU, only to get told he made a mistake.
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>>343712439
>D Team survives the incinerator and the poison in the same timeline where Akane nukes everything
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>>343712471
Transport with the ayy lmao tech or not. They literally had nothing to loose at that point.
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>>343712468
>Sigma and Diana is canon
>Sigma having a 18 inch dick is canon
>Diana having the biggest breasts is canon
>Diana likes it rough and gets drunk, confirmed
>red head with freckles
>Sigma is swole as shit

It's honestly just horrible, just horrible.
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>>343712471
Not drinking the antidote. I was surprised phi and Sigma managed to be at odds about that one.
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>>343712135
Those are all true, and you can blame most of it on a lack of budget.

It's just that I can't help but think that Uchi dropped a lot of plot points from VLR because he realized that he can't write a satisfying purpose or end to them (e.g. Kyle/?).
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>>343712346
I really liked the antidote problem. It actually required you to think a little.
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>>343712521
Even if we take it that only Brother knows about it, he could easily use it to resolve his "religious fanatic" problem.
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>>343711710
>on their honeymoon they fuck so hard Akane gets pregnant with nonuplets
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>>343712749
I lucked out and had it be A on my first go, I didn't need to think.
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>>343712735
Agree with this one. They had nothing to lose at that point, so I don't even know why there was a debate in the first place.
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>>343711710
TIME TO DECIDE

Who will you marry?

[______________]

>Gab/spoiler]
HOW WOULD A DOG 'I DO' IT?
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>>343712735
I can imagine it giving you some pause if you get that fragment first, but I saw it long after C team used it to cure themselves, so it felt silly at that point
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>>343712723
>they probably fucked while she was pregnant to pass time

NO PORN
YAAAAAAAAARGH
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>>343712752
And he did.

In the most convoluted way possible but he did.
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>>343712913
Give you a piece of cheese in return.
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>>343712723
>>Diana having the biggest breasts is canon
???
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>>343712723
>Sigma having a 18 inch dick is canon
is this memery or did I miss something
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>>343712735
>No! it might be poison!
they were already poisoned to start with, what did he think he would get double poison?
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>>343712930
Akane is a turbo bitch but Carlso and Junpei are nice people so I trusted them.
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>>343713103
>Akane is a turbo cutie
Fixed
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Phi saying "I love you" to Diana and Sigma felt so bizarre
Especially considering she only knew Diana for 5 days, and when Sigma said Carlos was an honorable firefighter, Phi says "you only knew him for 5 days, you don't really know him"
I get it was probably parents foreshadowing, but it wasn't very subtle
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>>343713082
https://twitter.com/uchikoshi_eng/status/743352363969183745
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>>343710715
>tfw I am both of the people in this gif simultaneously.
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>>343713082
Uchi posted it on twitter when someone asked his real dick size, he also revealed Akane's brother Aoi is bisexual and had slept with men.
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>>343712735
>Be writhing in pain out of nowhere
>Gab comes up with a bunch of vials and a note saying to drink this shit
>"No way, it's a set up, but you decide Diana :^)"

So fucking infuriating.
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>>343711921
>blacked

This does nothing for me.
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>>343713190
I got /u/ vibes because I thought being parents was so obvious it couldn't be true.
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When Carlos went 10 months in the past, why did he only appear in the VLR timeline? Shouldn't there be a second Carlos coming to the rescue in all off the timelines?
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>>343713190
It would have made more sense if the game wasn't done via fragments, 'cause that meant that you wouldn't have seen that scene without other scenes first.

Then again, how would Diana get Phi's brooch if she didn't get burnt to ashes?
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>>343713065
Use your eyes
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>>343710489
... outside, you know, the timeline when there were no executions at all.
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>>343713236
That's fucking hilarious. I love learning stupid facts and other pointless stuff about vidya characters, like the Dracula bit from MGS3
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Do we just assume that a character ceases to exist if the loop is not fulfilled?
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>>343713526
There is another Carlos running around, but we don't know what the other one was doing
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>a religious fanatic causes a world war that kills 8 billion

>that might just happen in real life
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>>343713327
Me too at first, when they flashed back to Dcom, but then Phi said Diana smelled familiar and I was like goddamn it, she's their kid, the eyebrows weren't a red herring

>>343713593
I suppose, but even then it felt like Diana and Phi were hardly together in other fragments to feel love
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>>343713327
Tons of people called it as soon as her image was leaked because of the eyebrows.

It was too stupid too be true, turns out it was.
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>>343710862
I like the Eric and Mira gave birth Aoi and Akane and tried to stop loli Mira from fucking up Eric's mom, but they fail and Eric panics when he sees his mom lying there dead and tries to flee the scene via taxi but gets caught by police, tried, and executed leaving Mira to kill herself because stabbing things in the chest is the only thing that makes her feel alive but she wouldn't do that to her kids theory
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MOTHERFUCKERS LISTEN:

Did anyone else laugh at Gab's shitty little walking animation??
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>>343713756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CvHjEkhxJQ
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>>343713859
I don't think anyone here didn't laugh.
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>>343713859
I laughed at all the animations
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>>343713859
Put some respeck on Gab's name.

It was funny as fuck.
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>>343713743
So in the final ending there are two Carloses?
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>>343710123
Yeah, same with Junpei plan to get the X-Passes by killing themselves only for the Passes to be locked to specific timelines.
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I love how you can completely ignore VLR and it wouldn't change a thing with this game.

It's as if VLR doesn't matter in the slightest. It has absolutely no effect on this game, despite VLR telling you it would
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The brooch makes me fucking angry. Obviously none of the ZE games are consistent with their time loop bullshit but ZTD just took it too far. Where the fuck did the brooch come from?
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>>343713859
please don't bully, he's an old man doing his best
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>>343713719
I wouldn't say so, no. They just aren't created in a different timeline, but still exist in theirs. I think. Time is confusing.
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>>343711710
I do. Top tier waifu.
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>>343714046
I think Vince Gilligan should have written ZTD, he would have brought it all together
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>>343714046
VLR actually ruins ZTD a bit because you enter the game expecting answers.
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Ok you know the end where Akane was like "Oh man, shit went bad, I am going to spend my whole life making sure the AB game is a success so we can prevent this."

Like she know about the AB game from when Carlos and Junpei played, but she didn't know anything else about it. Like doesn't know about VLR at all. Why does she all of a sudden know about it?
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>>343714058
Bootstrap paradox
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>>343714212
Do you know what the word "paradox" means, retard? That's not an explanation
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>>343712471
Last decision where You got to choose whether or not sacrifice the other timeline people, they were doing that a lot to this point and it was fucking pointless.
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Why did Delta shoot Gab?
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>>343714058
It came from Phi, duh. Did you even play the game?
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>>343714287
__________________________ Bootstrap paradox __________________________
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>>343714058

It's a casual time loop. It is like how a circle has no beginning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loop
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>>343712401
>No one worse
Akane might ruin movies with her dark theories, ruin a good time to drink by diminishing the value of narrowly escaping life and death, and ruin my ethical reasoning by telling me that every time I shift, I'm killing an alternate self. She can even ruin my rose-tinted view on life by making me chase after her for years and turn me hardboiled because being a detective means dealing with mafia hits and babyfuckers.

But NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, is worse than Alice.
I'd ring Akane in a heartbeat.
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>>343714343
And where the fuck did Phi get it? From Diana - who got it from Phi
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>>343714191
Old Mind Young body Sigma probably met with Akane before they went to DCOM and told them about the AB project.
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>>343711710
>Eric storms the wedding with a shutgun
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>>343714287
>The Bootstrap Paradox is a theoretical paradox of time travel that occurs when an object or piece of information sent back in time becomes trapped within an infinite cause-effect loop in which the item no longer has a discernible point of origin, and is said to be “uncaused” or “self-created”.

Sure?
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>>343713859
I think it was a given that he was an old dog and that's why he was so slow.
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>>343714553
you don't explain an event with a paradox fuckwit, that doesn't answer the question
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>>343712878
>name each of them after a Nonary Game Participant.
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>>343714427
Clover is pretty bad though too, there is one ending where you make a logical choice to betray clover b/c dio will obviously betray and escape with Phi in another group. Yet she get's super fucking pissy about you breaking their promise when she's had multiple endings where she betrays and opens the 9 door by herself.
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>>343714171
Despite being "the end of a trilogy" it definitely is a stand alone game. None of the personalities match what they've been portrayed as in previous games

No knowledge of the previous games is needed. Characters have changed designs. It feels like a standalone indie game.

Why he decided to go in this direction at the end of a trilogy, I'll never understand. Especially since it's been said this only exists because fans wanted the end of the story.
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Wait, so does the story end with Carlos deciding whether to shoot Delta? Or are there extra fragments sorta like the 2 bonus parts in VLR?
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>>343714191
>Akane dedicates her whole life to sending Sigma and Phi to the past so Phi can get incinerated and Sigma can have freaky bootstrap sex

Poor Junpei
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Any crashes or save corruptions I need to worry about in ZTD?
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>>343708772
wait, so why did Carlos have to wait 10 months?
Where did he go back?

And, why didn't Delta just tell them what they needed to know?
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>>343714651
A paradox is a paradox for a reason you idiot. These game's use a lot of time-related paradoxes as plot points, it's par for the fucking course.

You can't explain a paradox.
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>>343714553
>haha it just created itself man god how do you not understand this are you retarded?
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>>343714191
>Why does she all of a sudden know about it?
Old Akane told her before the events of the game. That's why she's at the test site.
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>>343714710
You don't decide anything. It just ends there. The only "extras" are some fanfic files you unlock after completing the game.
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>>343714651
>You don't explain an event with a parados
>In the game things get explained with time travel, mind hack, COMPLEX MOTIVES and parallel universes
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>>343714427
This guy knows what's up

>>343714702
She studied at the school of It's OK When I Betray, but Alice is the fucking professor
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>>343714710
Yes, it ends there, I think there are some files you can look through after finishing the game that explain somethings post game, but I was to lazy to check them up.
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>>343714740
My game crashed when I fucked up during the Outbreak bomb defusal puzzle and I had to redo a dialogue segment because I forgot to save, but other than that, no.
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>>343712193
>Diana had to wait an entire month
>Full 30 days until Sigma finally calmed her urges
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Man, I was disappointed with how 2D Carlos was. He was my favorite in a way, but he didn't really have anything to his character other than "Psychic firefighter who REALLY loves his failed psychic sister"

Also I just realized, everyone except Eric and Mira is psychic but did any of them remember to tell Eric that Mira is a psycho killer? Because otherwise he doesn't know
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>>343714710
Not sure. When I looked at the angle seems funny. Almost as if hes trying to shoot Akane instead.
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>>343714854
something looks really weird about that deagle
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Why do they say History? Time Line sounds much better
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>>343714651
>Video game about time travel
But how does it work???

lmao.
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>>343714854
why even point the gun?
Shooting Delta makes no sense at all
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>>343714978
At least Eric finds out that she was one when her character develops offscreen in the parts of the game they didn't have the budget for.

I wonder if he ever figured out that she killed his mom.
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should I cancel? I already 100% the game on steam and while the watch is cool I think it would just sit on a shelf
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>>343714978
I think they just put that under the rug.
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>>343712193
BUT THERE MIGHT BE A BOMB IN HER VAGINA

SEX MIGHT CAUSE IT TO DETONATE
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>>343714978

Eric finds out. Makes Mira turn herself in. Sean then breaks her out of jail to go use the machine to send them back in time so they can stop Eric's mom from being murdered by her in the first place.
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>>343710323
I hope I can snag one on the last day.
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>>343714978
In the epilogue Sean's told both of them that Mira rips out his heart, and they still get prison married
Mira is my least favorite thing about Eric.
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>>343714820
>wait, so why did Carlos have to wait 10 months?
It takes 10 months for the Transporter to charge, he needed to go 10 months back so Akane and Junpei could still use it

>And, why didn't Delta just tell them what they needed to know?

1st and foremost he needed to secure his and Phi's existance, they needed to be born in the shelter under those intense conditions.

He mentions that the ordeal gave them the will and determination to find this mysterious future terrorist that will cause the death of 8 billion people, but that seems a little flimsy.
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>>343714978
i was hoping sean was going to be maria and that the twist was we thought she was a boy.
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>>343714978
That's because Carlos was just some random guy who can "jump" and there was no identity revelation. Also, why the fuck are they called SHIFTers during ZTD? I thought they were ESPers.
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>>343715158
ya
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>>343715158
You can sell that watch alone for easily double the price. Don't do it.
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>>343715107
he can't solve simple puzzles
and didn't understand or comment about Zero talking about a woman being killed in a park after going jogging

he probably never realized
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>>343714651
Are you a fucking idiot? Why are you asking us about these things, when you can ask the fucking creator why he used the Bootstrap Paradox to explain Phi?
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>>343715067
Maybe he's pointing to Kyle
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>>343714703
Phi is exactly the same, Junpei had offscreen development which kinda made sense, we never really met old Sigma so we don't know what he was really like, and Akane was only acting sweet and innocent in 999 and not revealing her true personality (Junpei even mentions he wanted to get to know the real Akane). They do have their off moments though, like why does old wise Sigma act so dumb and angry like young Sigma, why does Akane go yandere (Junpei dying isn't enough of an excuse to scream and wield a chainsaw).

The bigger offender is the puzzle room dialogue. In the cinemas, the characters will be dramatic and serious, even in a tense situation, but then in the puzzle rooms they crack jokes and act silly. It's especially bad with Junpei, who's sour for most of the game and the only jokes he makes in cutscenes are nasty ones, like the nipples.
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So why didn't C team go "wait a minute, those sunglasses" in Control?
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>>343714978
Also, I think Eric is always dead by the time Mira gives her explanation. Assuming you can only regain memories from timelines where you were alive, he couldn't really find out by himself and the only ones that would know would be Sean and Delta.
Even if he is told that Mira was the killer in the transported showdown, he couldn't retain his memories at that point.
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You know, I was kinda expecting Junpei and Akane's personalities to be switched.
I sorta got the vibe that she had basically become super cold and calculating from all the years shes spent jumping.

And yet shes the super emotional one while Junpei is the cold one.

Also, Im pretty sad that Snake wasn't brother. It seemed like a semi-sure thing
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>>343712735
Speaking of Sigma and Phi being at odds, how many times was Sigma right and how many times was Phi right?
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Why did Delta never bring up that Mira is the reason Akane's family was destroyed?
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>>343710656
Type I dont know
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>>343712408
[HOW WOULD A DOG DO IT?]
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>>343715375
Phi's existence makes more sense than the brooch, since she isn't necessary to her own creation other than her name
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>>343715398
>Yfw kyle is a 2nd deaf mute that's off camera
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>>343714058
I was retarded because I kept spelling "broach' instead of "brooch"
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>>343715272
Because Mindhacking is a form of ESPers, SHIFTers is the other class
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>>343714740
Steam player here, I got nothing game breaking but fairly often in puzzle rooms the menu/puzzle backgrounds would freak out and flash black.
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>>343715481
Sigma really wanted Diana to push buttons.
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