Can we all agree that she is literally the most balanced in the game right now?
That would be Winston
>Excellent mobility, but doesn't deal enough damage for that to make him OP
>Ult is not a "fuck you I win" button like most other characters have, and has utility beyond just getting kills
>Extremely disruptive
Balanced but boring. Her rocket launcher is Quake 2 all over again.
>>343634371
Literally the funnest character in the game.
>can fly all over the place
>drops rocket death onto the nerds below
>knocks people off ledges
>can knock the entire fucking team off the edge at certain choke points
>can get to the target super fast by knocking herself around
>rains justice from above with the coolest ultimate in the game
>is a hot Egyptian chick
Faggotry is strong with you anon
LET ME SHOW YOU HOW IT'S DONE
>>343634767
Reddit is down the hall and to your left.
>>343634964
That makes zero sense you fucking faggot-assed fucking faggot
>>343634767
>>is a hot Egyptian chick
this
id literally shove my cock down her nile, if you catch my literal drift
>>343634767
>some faggot switches to Pharah because I am
>go air-to-air on that bitch
>>343634964
How did he say anything remotely reddit?
>>343635980
Spouting a bunch of first-time impressions instead of addressing the point, being the slow rocket launcher. The shitter probably haven't played any other FPS.
>>343635468
wasn't that one of the 10 plagues?
>>343636496
Are you ok?
>>343634193
Maybe if her ult wasn't garbage, sure.
>>343634193
She needs some buffs to splash-dmg and mobility and a rework for her E.
>>343634350
Winston needs a huge nerf, like making him actually having to AIM to hit. Same goes for hanzo arrow hitbox. Tired of scrubs doing good when they shouldn't.
>>343636496
>the slow rocket launcher.
Have you ever played a game with a rocket-launcher before? Because Pharahs is pretty much the fastest ever. What is missing is better splash-dmg and more pop-up. For that I would even be fine with the rockets being slower than what they are now. Hate having to rely on luck so much.
>>343637492
>Can't outdamage 60 dps ape
>>343637359
>mfw use her ult for nothing but melting tanks asap.
It's all its good for.
>mfw killing another pharah mid-air
>Played Quake and UT most of my life
>"Haha bro you're going to love Pharah! She's perfect for you!"
>Turns out her rockets are slow as fuck
>Turns out her hovering is slow as fuck
Don't increase the damage, increase the velocity.
>>343637729
>Hate having to rely on luck so much.
Try hitting your targets. Rocket accuracy is a commendations card for a reason.
>>343637762
Don't know why you would have a problem with having to aim to hit like it should be in an fps, but I also don't give a shit about an idiots opinion.
So you can go fuck yourself buddy.
>>343635636
>Eliminate enemy team as Pharah
>Someone on the enemy team switches to her because they think it will get them easy kills too
>Make sure to pick him out of groups when firing rockets
>>343637492
> MOMMY ITS NOT FAIR I ACTUALLY AIM ROCKET I DESERVE WIN BAAAAAAAW
Get mad. :^)
>>343637972
Yeah I don't believe you kid Pharahs rockets are faster than quake 3's and lightyears faster than UT's.
You don't fool anyone you just suck.
>>343638053
How about you just pick reaper and shoot him in the ass a couple of times?
>>343638053
> more crying
>>343637998
Rocket accuracy commendation just means you played against people who were AFK or a team with like 3 bastions.
The low splash damage makes her weak since most good characters move in unpredictable patterns and the only way to get reliable shots is to move up close which leaves her vulnerable. Not to mention pressing Q is suicide.
>>343637947
Her ult is amazing for melting most characters if you're half decent with her. Her mobility and the fact that her hover is almost completely silent lets you sneak around a group pushing the payload and rain justice from above
She's just really awkward to play for me.
I forgot what it's called, but her rockets don't inherit your momentum, they always go where you are aiming.
Say if you're flying to the right and aiming at someone, your rocket will fly towards them as if you were stationary. It won't fly to the right of where you are aiming like something like that would in real life.
>>343637998
No shit sherlock, the further the travel time the more luck it becomes actually directly hitting a mobile target.
What is it with you kids and logic...
>>343637729
Yeah I have, and in those games rocket launchers are meant to be skillful weapons you strive to make direct hits with. Spamming splash damage is for heroes like Junkrat. Midairing with the rocket launcher in Overwatch is not viable unless there's a floating Pharah or Mercy around. Should be less splash damage, and increased rocket speed.
She does too much damage to tanks.
Other than that she's pretty balanced.
>>343634193
WHY CANT SHE CANCEL HER FUCKING ULT? I DON'T EVEN WANNA ULT ANYMORE A LOT OF THE TIMES IT'S BETTER TO STAY ALIVE AND SHOOT NORMALLY.
>>343638702
Can any characters cancel their ult?
>>343638537
>rocket launchers are meant to be skillful weapons you strive to make direct hits with
Confirmed for never actually having played any arena shooter ever.
Good to know that you shitbrats still talk out of your scrawny little asses. You can't work with direct hits, you work with splash damage and pop-up to juggle.
>>343634767
>Can't land on most roofs because you just slide down
What were they thinking?
>>343638702
canceling her ult would make her broken as all shit
I usually only use my ult at near point-blank vomit on their mercy and whoever they are healing, willing to trade my life for that. If I can guarantee a survive off that, she would be like 10x stronger.
JUSTICE RAINS FROM A-urggh
>>343638910
Heard hear-say that it's because Phara would be too strong as she can just camp on the roofs no one else can reach her at.
>>343638879
Junkrat, McCree, hell all the ones that are as good as immobile during "channeling" except fucking Pharah who is completely immobile and screams "I'M ULTING PLEASE RAPE MY FACE" louder than anyone else.
At higher elo's ulting with Pharah without a zarya or Rein ult is fucking suicide 90% of the time.
>>343639083
also because people would just fly all over the map while getting rocket boost back by surfing the roofs
>>343638987
>canceling her ult would make her broken as all shit
How? How the fuck would canceling her ult do anything at all to balance overall? How would that make her to powerful? It's canceling, meaning stopping to shoot the ultimate.
God I swear you brats can be so fucking dumb.
>>343638890
Yeah, no. You definitely take advantage of other people's movement to land a direct hit, especially if they lock themselves up making a jump with long hang time. Quit pretending.
>>343639229
for the same reason you want to be able to cancel her ult you retard
why do you want to cancel her ult if using her ult is really good then?
>>343639229
it removes all of the risk you dingus
>>343634193
why do I see her every match
>>343639083
Kaplan said the map restrictions are for Pharah, Widow and Junkrat. Also Lucio.
Would've been easier to make better maps that aren't just eye-candy tho.
>>343639434
fun to use, lower skill floor, game winning ult against unorganized teams
>>343639305
>>343639294
Then why can McCree and Junkrat do it? What about their risk? Hell McCree gets 50 fucking percent of ult back when he cancels.
That's why I can't take you fuckers serious anymore you are all dumb short-sighted little fuckups.
>>343638879
All of them. Maybe not tracer if phara is too high up.
>>343639229
How would it not make her completely overpowered? I have more time, more PotGs, and more medals on Pharah than any other character and it would absolutely shatter balance to let her cancel ult.\
>sneak up behind any team
>ult point-blank
>healer, some squishy heroes, and maybe the tank are dead
>cancel the remaining half of my ult and rocket boost away while the survivors are snapping around to kill me
>now I can either escape easily or mop up the rest of them with rocket hits, as I was only in the vulnerable part of my ult for all of 1 second
>>343639434
Because McCree was killed and she's the only thing keeping Reapers and Tanks in check.
Wait till they kill her too, it's gonna be edgelord bonanza when they got absolute free reign.
>>343639692
>not answering the question
why do you want to be able to cancel the ult if using the ult is only ever good
>>343639692
you're awful mad about a video game
sounds like you're the kid.
mcree and junkrat can't ult in the air.
>>343639849
Pharah isn't anywhere close to getting a nerf bat. They will nerf Mercy, Lucio, Reinhardt, and S76 well before Pharah
>>343639829
>My Dad works at Blizzard I don't need to make sense.
Nigger please just fuck off.
>Tracer blinking to healer and sticky
Boom, there goes your whole half assed argument.
>>343634350
If there is anything WInston can do Zarya can do it better.
>Deal more dmg
>Can tank way more dmg
>best ulti in a game which wins games destroying enemy team
>>343640091
I'm not any of the people you've replied to, but are you being retarded on purpose?
>>343637359
/thread
ulti is so weak that i'd rather use lmb than risking my life to kill just 1-2 ppl
>>343640041
What's OP about Reinhardt? Just go pharah and eat him
>>343639886
Dayum thats a really brilliant argument, oh wait no it's complete bullshit. Fucking jump off a bridge.
>>343639692
Because McRee's attack doesnt immediately start dealing damage when it activates. Pharah's does.
>>343639229
Holy fuck you went full fucking retard
>>343638421
especially since a lot of people abuse jumping without any penalities to mov speed and it makes playing pharah and junkrat living hell
>>343640278
pharah can position herself completely above and out of sight of the entire enemy team, if she could do what >>343639829 says like you want, she'd be broken as shit.
you're wrong. get over it you short-sighted little fuckup.
>>343640536
are you really that deluded?
>>343640536
hey buddy
>>343640227
I'm the only one that understands objectivity as it seems. But I'm used to dealing with morons all my life it's ok son.
There is nothing a ult canceling Pharah would change except a tiny fucking chance for her not to suicide when ulting. Just a glimpse of a chance. It doesn't matter the time frame the ult goes what so fucking ever.
You are reading way too much into it while actually not thinking about it at all. Pharah cant just magically appear next to a healer, she is not Tracer and even if that would be the case Tracers blink +ult is pretty much the only Ult in the game you can't do shit about, it just depends if the Tracer can land it or not and still you don't have a problem with that why should you have a problem with Pharah canceling her fucking ult, that would be fucking gone too. It's just for a fucking tiny chance of survival.
Get your fucking head out of your ass.
>>343640141
Can Zarya jump through the air and plug up all of Widowmakers/Hanzo's holes?
>>343640854
please seek help for your narcissistic personality disorder, you are a burden on those around you.
>>343638234
>Help mommy the mean bullies on the internet demand that I got an actual argument!
>>343640835
Hello rēddit
>>343634767
>Enemy Bastion ults
>Knock him off a platform with E and ult him while he's falling
Worth it.
>>343641037
Just go back to playing Q3A you dumb nerd.
>>343638204
I really can't imagine why you would be against a little more skill based aiming. I mean what could you possible be afraid of?
Could it be that you just suck at even the most basic of aiming?
>>343641037
How about "Winston deals so little damage that dying to him as anyone else than the snipers and other 150 health characters is completely the fault of the player, not Winston"? That an actual argument for you?
If Winston had to aim his weapon, he would be THE worst character in the game and it would be one less character that could effectively damage Tracer.
>>343641193
refer to >>343641186
If you want to spend thousands of hours practicing rocketjumping or some other shit do it in some other fucking game.
>>343641193
>>343641193
>Could it be that you just suck at even the most basic of aiming?
Of course not. Thats why I pick reaper to deal with the monkey since I'm not a fucking mongoloid who can't deal with the tickle gun.
>>343641363
t. moba shitter
>>343641186
>Go back to your video-games you nerd!
Never in the history of the internet has irony occurred that thick.
>>343641434
This is an FPS moba, if you don't like it don't play it.
>>343641363
Who the fuck are you people and why are you allowed to post?
>>343641520
right, and you clearly lack experience with the FPS portion of that, making you as moba shitter.
>>343641401
I want to have to aim when playing Winston senpai, it's getting old really fast and also kills my aim just playing him for a few matches.
Why is everything so complicated with you kids? It has nothing to do with problem, it's just fucking shit. It's shit, repeat after me it's just shit and a questionable decision who's target audience obviously was consoles.
Now go fuck yourself.
>>343641520
>This is an FPS moba
No it's not, and even then that doesn't mean you don't need to aim. How does that make sense? Fucking mongoloid.
MOOOOODS DO YOUR FUCKING JOB
>>343640141
>Can zarya jump through the air?
>Can Zarya shield the entire payload?
>Can Zarya turn into a rage gorilla?
No, I love Zarya, but she doesn't make Winston obsolete. I see winston as a highly mobile half-tank, just with a little lower damage to compensate
>>343641979
Did someone say D.VA?
>>343636496
It's ok, son, I'm working to be a special ed instructor. I'm going to learn how to help folks like you with autism deal with the world.
>>343641894
IF you remove all the training wheels from the game it could actually be decent. Of course 80% of the player base wouldn't be able to play it anymore :3
>>343641894
The skill in playing Winston doesn't come from shooting his weapon, but accurately gauging situations and measuring threat levels. He is a hit and run character first and foremost, and the fact that he is even listed as a tank is perplexing.
>>343642142
Must be hearing the sounds of crickets. Cause no one says that.
>>343637969
>mfw killing a Pharah midair
>...
>with a Junkrat
>>343637972
Play another class bro.
>>343639292
That's a fixed trajectory and also a specific scenario you dumb shit. In normal play, lets say mid range 1v1 you don't go for a direct hit, because the enemy can dodge it. If you try to direct rocket mid to long range it's simply luck and always was.
Now go play with the other mouthbreathers.
>>343639881
This>>343640854
Also I can't even imagine where your fucked up thought process comes from.
>>343642332
>spams bombs everywhere
>one connects
>feels accomplished
typical junkrat player
>>343641007
Because I make sense and you wanna be a fuckup in peace?
No kiddo go fuck yourself and stop posting.
she's fucking epic!
>>343640141
Last time I checked Zarya didn't chase widowmakers and genjis effortlessly
There are "people" who play this on consoles
Really let that sink in
>>343642216
>The skill in playing Winston doesn't come from shooting his weapon,
Yeah we know that, I want to know why it would be bad if he had at least to aim in the general direction of the enemy at least. Why is that such a huge problem?
Why can't you imbecile not just say "yeah, true", and move on? Why do you have to be such a fucking wise cracking shitter? You are a dumb fuck and you should feel dumb.
>>343643009
they will never know the feeling of being MVP as a post-nerf mccree, landing headshots left and right
I honestly really like him now
>>343643085
>I want to know why it would be bad if he had at least to aim in the general direction of the enemy at least
He does have to do that, and if they would have to add accurate aim requirements as him then they'd have to buff his damage as well making him broken
>>343643009
It's obvious looking at all the training wheels in the game, they could've at least made different versions for different platforms.
I want the moba shitters to feel the extent of their scrubbiness. I want them to stop talking about shit they don't know shit about.
>>343642819
no, because you say shit like
>I'm the only one that understands objectivity as it seems. But I'm used to dealing with morons all my life it's ok son.
this tells me you are incredibly self-centered, egotistical, and narcissistic. please seek help. take a good hard look at yourself, at the very least.
>>343643106
Wood elo and nonsense. McCree is a worse pick than Dva.
>>343643215
>they'd have to buff his damage as well
No they don't. YOU would need to have his damage buffed scrublord. Just you and the other faggots that can't aim for shit in an fps.
>>343643363
nah, he's great at picking off squishies if you can actually aim. and the best counter to several of the ults.
>>343642332
>with a Junkrat
>with his Ult
I've seen it happen in a webm on this very board.
>>343643459
Are you fucking retarded? His weapon deals 60 damage per second and cannot headshot. If it would require aiming and didn't receive a damage boost, it would be the worst weapon in the game, by far.
>>343643459
yes they would because they'd have to make him harder to use for no good reason other than the fact that you somehow think he is broken
I sincerely doubt your complaints are because YOU want to play as him, you probably play as Widow or Genji most of the time
>>343643281
>because you say shit like
How often does one have to repeat himself while getting nothing but shabby thoughtless opinions before one can be a bit snarky with the person he is conversing, little man?
Again, kill yourself. Just end it, your parents and society are better off without you.
>>343643490
He has no survivability and he can't do shit when getting jumped. Trust me kid, you don't know shit.
>>343639692
McCree's ultimate only does damage once, and that's when you fire. For the duration of the "aiming" nothing is being done to the enemy, and cancelling it effects nothing.
You want to cancel Pharah's ult because you keep getting fucking blasted mid-ult, but you are doing damage the whole time.
Bastion, Roadhog, Soldier 76, Reaper, Winston, Mei, Hanzo, Genji, and Torbjörn all have uncancellable ults as well.
In fact, the most apt ult to Pharah would be Reaper, which also does damage the whole duration and can not be cancelled, and has limited mobility.
Either be more strategic with your ults, by not jumping in the air infront of the entire enemy team just to try and get a cheap team sweep, or pick a different class.
>>343643797
>kid
shitter detected. McCree is still good.
>>343643690
of course, there's nothing wrong with you, you're just a genius among plebeians, lamenting your vast intellect and how none could ever hope to compare.
whatever helps you sleep at night champ.
>>343643614
He has the best mobility by far in the game, that's why he does less damage. All I would ask is for him having to aim more and not just look in the sky and hit everything around him.
It's not much to ask, and its fucking obvious why you uber shitter got such a huge problem with it.
YOU
CAN'T
AIM
FOR
SHIT
>>343642918
winston is a really weak counter since genji doesn't have any counter and if genji is good enough he can bait winston to waste his shift while he can get away easily with his double jump + shift
>>343643980
mad widowmaker popping a blood vessel lmao
>>343643980
So let me get this straight. You want to make him OBJECTIVELY worse just because you think playing him takes no skill?
>>343643632
>they'd have to make him harder to use
I love how you make it sound, I would very much like a winston player having to aim yes. That's what you are defending right now. And if it would've been the other way around you wouldn't say shit. Kill yourself.
>>343644104
winston's shift has lower cooldown than genji, the winston player is a big failure if he can't kill one. He can at the very least make him never be able to do anything to the winston's team.
>>343644198
Nah, you're pretty damn transparent, fuck off mad widowmaker.
>>343643926
Your passive aggressive tantrum doesn't impress me kiddo. And neither does your hurt false pride.
Again, kill Yourself.
>>343644483
no stop i want the last post i wanna win gosh
>>343644150
That's a very interesting and elaborate way to strawman. Do you work for the church of scientology by chance?
I would really like to skin you alive little man.
>>343644483
You understand that you've been doing that exactly for the whole thread
is there any way to fix Bastion or will he just be shit forever?
Mei is the most balanced in the game
You can't prove me wrong
>>343644616
>Make Winston's weapon require aiming, with no damage increase to compensate
>Winston is now Zarya, if Zarya had no way to beef up her damage
Yes, you genuinely want to make him worse.
>>343644450
>Nah, you're pretty damn transparent,
I never play widow and especially not after the scope nerf, son.
You are just a stupid little boy, nothing more nothing less.
>>343644732
Give him his shield back but up transformation time so that on defense maps where the defenders have to walk 5 feet to contest he can't just jump on the point and mow down people for free.
>>343634193
Not in the slightest, the only hero that could consistently deal with her got nerfed to the ground and now she roams free pelting you with rockets.
Sombra might help ease the pain.
>>343644931
76 counters her directly
>>343644931
McCree's fan was never Pharah's counter, and his left click has been left untouched so he can still shoot her down, plus 76 counters her better than McCree's left click ever did unless you're counting the time in the beta where it was godlike.
If you want a character that has risen up to be uncontested thanks to McCree being in the shitter now then look no further than Reaper.
>>343643632
I don't play hanzo Winston symmetra Reaper, because they are that scrubby yes. I'm not entirely sure if I would like to play them more if they would be de-casualized to a point where a normal human being would not have to drink a bottle of scotch to make it interesting, but it would be a good start.
I would very much like to hear a single valid fucking reason why you are so insanely against something so natural. Just one plausible reason so that I can at least maintain the fantasy that you kids in here are not just complete fucking morons that are not worth even fucking talking to. Just a one tiny valid reason, and if you say "hurr the dmg durr" again I swear I'll find you and fucking skin you alive.
>>343643902
>no mobility or sustain
>worse LMB than s76 at mid and long range
yeah hes real good
>>343637492
>caring about aim skill
Wrong game, son.
>>343643805
Pharah is the only one that is completely immobile. All you have listed are not immobile.
But then again I'm not against every single one of them being able to cancel their ult.
I am not against that at all.
Lets see what you pull out your little hipster ass now.
>>343644619
Education is not an easy task. You wouldn't know, you can't even train your own damn head.
>>343645175
What's your valid reason for wanting his weapon to be changed?
>>343644797
I haven't said anything about not wanting a damage increase. Just on paper I would think it's not needed. For me it probably wouldn't be, for a scrublord like you maybe it would.
The problem is that this is fine tuning, who cares about fine tuning, I'm still at the having to aim part, and you are still at the don't want to aim part.
CAN YOU HEADSHOT WITH MELEE TO DO MORE DAMAGE OR NOT?
>>343645448
YES O WISE AND POWERFUL ANON
WE KNEEL TO YOUR CEASELESS WISDOM
PLEASE EDUCATE THESE UNWASHED HEATHENS THAT THEY MAY BETTER SERVE YOU AND YOUR GLORY
>want to climb out of shit rating after tanking with passive-aggressive friends
>ask my brother if he wants to play a couple
>first game, dominating, they leave towards end
>no fucking xp
>2nd game, doing fine, dude randomly leaves
>derank
nice game u got here actiblizz
(not nice)
>>343645530
Because it hits while almost looking away from the target. Which is obviously stemming from console aim and they just left it for PC too because you can't never be too casual for the audience.
And I as a video-game enthusiast object to that. It's obviously unecessary.
>>343646013
>Because it hits while almost looking away from the target.
Which is balanced by the fact that it does next to no damage, yeah?
>>343645680
I'm all for aiming, actually. But it is foolish to imply that there would be no need to buff the weapon if it's lock on properties were to be removed. No matter how good you are, your hit percentage will not be 100%, which translates to a direct damage decrease if the weapon is not buffed.
However, I do feel that Winston performs a role that synergizes well with a lock on weapon. He jumps in, electrocutes a weak target and jumps out, and that is all he can do because the weapon is designed to perform like that.
I would much rather get a new character with a UT-like lightning gun than change Winston's.
>>343634193
Zarya needs her ultimate completely reworked. It has too much synergy with other ults (whereas mei's strikes a balance because you're not all pulled to the center) due to the large number of aoe effects.
Also torb's turret cooldown needs to start once the turret is destroyed
I hope Blizzard decide to make a Pharah game where you have the rocket launcher and some other weapons and it's like Quake or something.
>>343645782
Ehehe if i had a nickel for every snot nosed little bugger. Just ask yourself one question, could someone be smarter than you? Be it because he/she is 20 years older or just had more time or will to think things through? Or more simple could you be completely wrong about something that you really haven't given much thought in the first place?
Have a good one David.
>>343643980
>He has the best mobility by far in the game
That's a funny way to spell genji
>>343646114
Does that matter? Does the "balancing" matter?
Could you not just balance the damage like every other weapon in the game you have to aim with? Like Zaryas beam for an obvious relevant example?
Is it worth talking about that at all?
>>343646279
see, the irony here is that you'd never, ever in a thousand years ask yourself those questions. and that's delicious to me.
>>343646126
It's not a "change" per se. It's just a simply accuracy adjustment. Not more not less. Would be any other game no one would say "hey what about you don't have to actually hit the target, just look in the general direction?!"
Do you not see how crazy that sounds?
>>343645830
oh cool, another leaver
>>343646652
It's actually really funny how he thinks he's a genius and yet can't understand how much of a buff it is to let Pharah cancel her ult
>>343646575
I mean, his gun is basically a Tesla coil, and it behaves like one. None of the other weapons do that. The whole "lightning arcing onto multiple targets" thing makes more sense in that context. Opinions I guess.
>>343646806
Someone might say that, and the next question would obviously be "Ok, how do we balance something like that"
The fact of the matter is that while an argument can be made that killing someone with Winston takes very little motoric skill, he does not break the game, so the functionality of his weapon is a moot point to argue about.
>>343646652
I can and am completely objective. Also you don't make any sense at all because you don't know me. You are assuming and that is again short-sighted, if you had thought about that for a second you'd have realized "well shit I don't know the guy". I just asked you a simple question for yourself I didn't assume anything about you because, again, I don't know you.
>>343634193
She's pretty great.
>>343646893
What's funny is that you just repeat this assumption and couldn't give a single valid reason why this would be the case. Actually it's more sad than funny really.
That's just your hurt false pride talking.
>>343646825
oh hey
4 games 4 leavers
on a fucking roll today
guess I need to socialfag in quick plays to find a team or something?
>>343647025
The only question a game developer has to ask himself is" does this make the game better and if not why do I keep it".
>>343647359
What's funny is the fact that you will never have friends and will die a virgin. Why don't you put your enormous intellect to work and think about how removing the risk portion of a massive risk/ reward ult would be imbalanced.
>>343634767
>is a hot Egyptian chick
Go back to Sweden you Muslim.
>>343647025
And where does this start and end? Why do we not have this for every weapon in the game, we just have to adjust the damage accordingly to balance it.
>>343634193
Lucio is. Anyone can play him at any situation, you can heal and speed boost. Airblast people.
>>343647358
Dat wood elo tho. I miss surviving an ult like that.
>>343647474
With that question, you get swept into the philosophical problem of what is good and can it be objectively defined.
Someone who finds playing Winston fun might think the game is better with Winston being how he is now than if he was changed, and someone might argue that him having to aim would make the game better. How do you objectively prove one viewpoint to be better than the other?
>>343637972
Reminder that heroes in this game move slow as fuck.
>>343647223
i know exactly what kind of person you are just by the way you talk to people and the way you try to portray yourself.
that's a piss poor defense. of course, if you had any real confidence at all in your objectivity (or your argument, for that matter), you wouldn't feel the need to so strongly defend it.
>>343639434
Because she's one of the best heroes now and the only character that can stand up to her is Solider 76.
>>343647660
And here comes the 3rd grader ad hominem. A hurt pride is a hell of a drug.
>>343647727
Variety. It makes for a more interesting game when there are a lot of weapons with differing functionalities.
>>343638521
seems like you can't predict the movement of the target. sucks to be you then, bruh. You must get juked a lot.
>>343637359
I get quadras with her ulti all the time.
git gud
>It's a "people who can't play Pharah think Pharah needs buffs" episode
This weekly is the most fun I've ever had with weekly brawls. Only downside is you get too used to the fast cooldowns sometimes.
>>343647961
I don't have to act respectful to a ninth grader who recently discovered intro level debate and philosophy and thinks he's the next Aristotle. But here's a question for you. Would McCree's ultimate be any worse if he couldn't cancel it?
>phara players
they're just cashing in on the rest of the teams hard work and kill stealing
>>343647879
True, but subjectivity has limits, you could say shit tastes better than chocolate, but I would call you insane.
How do we define art, music and so on? How did humanity asses how skillful the artist was/is? Do we think a 3 year old with an etchAsketch is a valuable contribution to the art of painting? I just go ahead and say where I'm going with this, it's basically just culture preservation if you will.
>main Pharah
>half the time be on fire than higher level players
>play weekly brawl
>can't hit anyone
>>343640141
Zarya is nothing like Winston you absolute retard, that's like comparing Roadhog and Reinhardt
>>343647919
wow hold up, si basically you are saying if I had any confident in my argument I would not stand behind it?
Dude you are leaning way too far out of a way too tiny window. Just let it go.
>>343644839
>but up transformation time
Make it 5 seconds long, but make it play the Transformers noise. No one will complain.
>>343647694
I would tell you to go back to /pol/ but they don't like faggots there.
>>343648613
no i'm saying you're full of shit.
you also keep responding to every post I make and I wanna see how long you'll go.
How would you balance her?
>>343648639
>Calling other faggots
>Likes black girls.
>>343648894
She dies when the mech dies
>>343648894
Make her mech guns do less damage
>>343648894
give her normal or close-to-normal movement speed while firing
>>343648465
>tfw achieving aerial superiority over other Mercys and Pharahs
>>343648894
Remove her movement penalty when shooting
Slightly tighten the spread
>>343648894
>Blizzard aknowledge that she's weak and is in need of buffs.
>They still release Ranked mode when they know that the heroes are still unbalanced.
>Game been out for like 2 months and still no buffs.
I hope you enjoy Blizzards hard work on this game.
>>343648007
Weren't you the guy that said bullshit like Pharah's rockets are slow when they are actually one if not the fastest in the history of arena shooters?
Let's not forget why we are here.
>>343634350
Winston is pretty anti-fun. Depending on your character and cooldowns when he jumps in on you, the optimal thing to do can be to stand in place and shoot him in the head, since you can't escape without using an ability and movement does nothing to dodge his lightning. And since his tickle gun does 60 dps, you're pretty much gonna be standing there wailing on his head for seconds at a time.
This doesn't mean he's unbalanced, and honestly if you were playing around him properly you wouldn't run into a situation like that, but it's still incredibly unfun. That's the nature of a high-health low-damage mobile character, and removing his need to aim makes for even more unwinnable drawn-out lame duck scenarios. He has incredibly non-dynamic interactions with the enemy team, compared to most of the cast, and frankly stands out as one of the characters who clearly wasn't put into the game for fps players to use.
That said, it's too late to change him now and he's reasonably balanced, so whatever. If a couple more characters who counter him got added for the sake of making twinston less devastating, his balance would be perfect.
>>343634193
I suck ass as her. I legit can't focus on flying and shooting at the same time.
I've got some kind of autism about this shit.
>>343648894
I don't know. She seemed to be impervious to my 80+ charged Zarya gun this morning. Seems like she needs less armor or health or both.
>>343647990
Having to less accurately aim a hitscan beam is interesting variety? I'm not saying you are wrong, it just seems like a stupid concept to me.
>>343646130
Mei ult stuns for the duration and builds faster.
Zaryas ult is countered by a fucking reinhardt holding right click
Okay wait
Pharah can now dash forward in air
>>343646575
>Does the "balancing" matter?
Doesn't it?
Winston is balanced around being able to chase elusive targets while requiring little aim. Tightening up his cone of fire would swing the match ups less in favour of Winston and further towards the characters he's designed to counter, and that isn't worth making Winston that little bit more engaging to play. Since Winston isn't currently crowding out his targets from play, tweaking the size of his aiming cone isn't worth the effort.
I think the other guy is getting confused because he interpreted "tighten the cone" as "make it Zarya's left click".
>>343648894
Slightly up her mid-range damage and slightly reduce her movement penalty when shooting, don't give enemies a gigantic flashing warning sign from her ult.
>>343648293
>Would McCree's ultimate be any worse if he couldn't cancel it?
Of course, having to commit to it and not getting free zoning and a "refund" with canceling is definitely without a doubt worse for that specific hero.
For Pharah it wouldn't even have those benefits, it would only give her a tiny shred of survivability that hurts no one. It would make playing her just a bit less annoying.
>>343634193
I'd let her balance on my dick ;)
>>343648316
>play pharah
>have highest killing blow and solo kills out of any other character constantly
That's cool
It's just the ult that's useless unless you have them all distracted/incapacitated by your team.
Someone post some cute Pharah pictures
>>343638910
Except sliding on roofs to extend airtime is still good Pharah tech. No need to make it even stronger.
>>343649096
>If a couple more characters who counter him got added for the sake of making twinston less devastating, his balance would be perfect.
One reaper on your team completely shuts down Winston 100%, he absolutely shreds him.
>>343634193
I have to agree with Pharah being the most balanced
my reasons
>if you can't aim well she does terribly, like a balanced character would
>as you aim better and predict better, she becomes more valuable
>good counter for some problem characters on enemy side
>alternate fire is able to swing a fight in sudden death
>has hard counters if the opponent has a similar skill level
>in general is just fun to play the more you play her
>>343648894
put her on my dick and see if she can do it herself
>>343649834
this games community is cancer
>choose character
>someone else chose it a second ago
>chose another character faggot i was first durr hurr
fuck this
i just want to have fun even if it means playing the character i want to
>>343634193
Her splash needs either a bigger radius or a bit more damage. Her direct hits should also do 125 so she can fuck mei and reaper up before they use their get out of shit free card
>>343648856
I'm always willing to help the needy, I'm just a nice guy like that. But again you're giving me nothing to work with, that post was basically "jokes on you I was just pretending and baiting".
I don't think there is a soul left in this thread that believes you.
>>343649860
I thought they wore parachutes when they repair those things
I kinda wish Mc Cree's left click got some love now that right click was nerfed, I'd really like 10-20 more damage on it, it feels a bit too weak right now for its fire rate + long range damage fall off
>>343649986
if you give her bigger splash she will invite everyone to play her as she will be quite OP.
Right now she is balanced as needing some skill in aiming to be effective
>>343647829
This is master levelconsoleplay.
>>343649665
Pharah being able to cancel her ult would open up an entirely new way of using it. Mixed with her high mobility it would be the most powerful pickoff tool in the game, capable of taking out even tanks in an instant then escaping. It would change the meta.
>>343649839
But it doesn't recharge your boosters while you're doing it, even if you lose height.
>>343647358
>all those missed shots
Haha oh man you suck bro.
>>343649617
>don't give enemies a gigantic flashing warning sign from her ult.
I agree with this. When I first started playing it was very easy to get kills with it but once people wised up to it, it's more of just a distraction.
It's already visible enough on its own.
>>343649943
t. Hanzo/Genji main
>>343650043
>parachute off a 100 meter tower
>>343649986
Most reasonable post in this thread. I salute you good sir.
>>343648894
She can blow herself up to double the range
>>343650097
>wants 90 damage left clicks
>almost one shots most people with head shots
I'm glad you're not in charge of balance.
He should just have less damage falloff
>>343650042
look, we're not even arguing about the thing we originally started arguing about anymore. i'm gonna drop my final thoughts and go do something else.
pharah's ult is balanced as-is
you could benefit greatly from some introspection and psychiatric counseling
enjoy the rest of your sunday.
>>343634350
Winston is weak as fuck
I can take him out 1v1 as 76
>>343634964
>disagrees with points he makes
>"R-REDDDIT GO AWAY REEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>>343647358
You have a lot of balls revealing just how garbage you are at the game
>>343649665
>>343650235
So with ult canceling are we talking about letting her keep the 50% or setting it back to 0? Because if its the latter I don't see why not.
>>343649846
Eh, kinda. What I mean when I say Twinston is a double Winston duo, and while Reaper's super good against Winston, he can't really solo two. Having two shields means you can drop them down overlapping and juke a lot of his shots in your venn diagram of protection, and they do 120 dps together, so unless he can kill them in 2 seconds, the best he can hope for is to take down one and wraithform out of there, and even then he won't consistently get one. Only real counter to a Winston pair playing well together is Bastion, but who really wants to play Bastion?
>>343650308
Yeah, but it gives enough time to fire another rocket or two and recharged your cooldowns.
>>343649937
cute
>>343648894
No slow down while shooting
Maybe an alternate fire like her on-foot gun, only slower firing
>>343650760
Keeping 0.
He just wants to be able to finish it prematurely and not sit like an idiot for 3 seconds as a flashing neon sign literally shouting "SHOOT ME"
>>343650235
Yeah it will shatter the fabric of time and space and swallow the Universe!
could you like be more specific? So far it's completely non-sensical drivel. How is ulting and canceling worse than ulting and committing? She would do the same fucking thing as before except she would cancel her immobility and lose her ult when she decides to. That's it, that's literally all it does...
>>343648316
>kills himself with his ult
>>343646013
It's a cone so it can hit multiple targets at once. Taking that away from Winston gimps him hard.
Him being able to hit multiple people at once is what causes people to scramble while directly drawing people's attention because he's damaging them.
What would you give him to compensate for that.
>>343650928
Maybe keep you locked in for a second and a half or something before you can cancel.
I can't remeber the last my team let a phara ult with resulting in her death.
>>343650942
Because it takes the risk out. High-risk high-reward abilities aren't high-risk anymore if you can just cancel them. Do you wonder why you can't cancel your shoryuken when it whiffs?
>>343650942
The ult's incredible burst power is currently only balanced by the loss of mobility for a long period of time. Imagine being able to go behind enemy lines, instantly obliterate the enemy mercy, cancel, and jump back to safety.
>>343637359
>Oh look 4 people kinda scattered about
>2 of them are already shooting at me
>OH FUCK
>I know! I'll press Q and melt them all
>Justice rains fr-auggghhhh
>WTF WHY DID I DIE, THIS ULT IS SO SHITTY
>>343650634
Well good day to you too, good Sir. I hope I could be of assistance.
>>343651562
Or you could just shoot her.
Probably would take about as long.
>>343634193
>More than half the cast can not reliably hit her
>Only has two "counters"
No
>>343637947
>jump behind enemy team
>ult kill Mercy first, a squishy dps second
>focused down by rest of enemy and die
do what you must, I have already won
>>343651341
Make him have to aim for a target, but when it hits the lightning arcs to the nearest opponent within 10 metres and keeps arcing indefinitely.
Makes him even more disruptive in terms of forcing people to scatter, but less UNGA.
>>343634193
I want this skin so fucking bad
>>343651674
100% wrong. Do you even play this game?
>>343647365
5 games 5 leavers
>>343651564
Her ult is very inconsistent, aside from not being able to cancel it and pretty much relying on other ults to combo or just simply suicide bombing.
I think there is a lot of room for improvement for her. Her E is plain weird, her splash is lackluster and her mobility is quite the joke. At least in higher elos, in low elo's she's a "I'm gonna make a thread on the forums how OP Pharah is!" tier.
