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>alright team, give the invaders base health as well as halving their flask usage
ok, since they have the element of surprise it's only fair
>also, prioritize those with summons to equalize their games
won't this end up just getting the invaders destroyed most of the time? Ok, I suppose if they use the environment to their advanta-
>nah senpai, put in a consumable that makes the enemies attack the invader regardless of where the host or invader is, make it permanent unless the summon session is over too.
that seems very imbalanced, against the invader. Should we make it so that hosts can be invaded by multiple people?
>sure, but let the host chose whether or not they can with an item. Also let the item allow for summoning 3 phantoms instead of 2, and limit invaders to 2.
isn't that a bi-
>good work team, lets call it a day!
what the fuck where they thinking?
Its not as bad if you're not playing on meta SL.
But if there's something worth getting mad about, its the Aldrich Faithful covenant area. If you don't have a seed, good luck. Watchdogs of Farron feel fair, like the woods in Dark Souls 1, but Aldrich PVP area is a mess. Enough to make you just get through un-embered or turn off the game.
Why is it that getting invaded by Aldrich Faithful doesn't proc blue sentinels to appear, yet I've gotten many Blue Sentinels and Dark Moon Blades against Watchdogs of Farron.
Not only that, there is no place where gold/ white summons are confirmed to always be found past Pontiff. Since meta fags decided that area is now their PVP area too, and Pontiff's bonfire is a boss room.
>>342934062
>Why is it that getting invaded by Aldrich Faithful doesn't proc blue sentinelsbecause aldrich has taken over gwyndolin, the darkmoons are loyal to him
>>342934245
I swear I read something somewhere way back when, that Darkmoon Blades were arch nemesis to Aldrich Faithful, and that the blades are supposed to be priority summons to protect the host in that area. It makes sense because both Covenants are discovered in that same late-game area, through Archdeacon McDonnell for the faithful and Yorshka for the blades.
Why else would two auto-summon ally covenants exist; blue sentinels and darkmoon blades. One has to have a purpose. I think Miyazaki just fucked up and cut that content out.
People forget that its near impossible to join the Darkwraiths in DS1 unless you read a guide because who the fuck won't want to talk with the fat snake showing up in Firelink? And who would think that this might potentially lock them out of an entire covenant?
Yes. Miyazaki hates invaders and likes limiting them.
>>342934984
the worst offense to invaders was letting people go to the boss and ignore invaders, so fucking bad
invasions just get worse and worse as the series goes on
>>342932968
>it's an "invaders complain because they can't fuck up people's game anymore without gitting gud" episode
Cry more
>>342935478
getting gud was in demon's souls and DaS when you were fairly limited and sometimes BB in nightmare frontier/mensis
>>342935373
Just like the PvP.
>hey dudes lets take poise and make it essentially NPC ONLY lol
>now what little reason there was to choose big weapons and armor in general has gone
>nobody uses anything but straights, curveds, rapiers, those broke as fuck warden periodswords, and weebsticks because nothing else comes close to comparing
>magic is the worst and with the least variety it's ever had so all builds are quality now
>strong attacks now all have a big delay even if you just tap the button
>hornet ring is back in a game where armor and hp doesn't matter and an offhand caestus gives monoscim tier parries
bloodborne should stay in fucking bloodborne and memeazaki should die for blatantly ruining a series.
>>342934487
Theres even an item that gives you two proofs that you get for killing an Aldrich as a darkmoon, which incentivizes them to kill them, but with no auto summon unless a red shows up, it's damn near hard to obtain, not to mention the unlikeliness of even being summoned in the first place
>>342935879
bloodborne's PVP is the most balanced in the series because weapons fill niches, the abomination that is 3 doesn't even come close
>>342932968
/v/ is full of shitters that don't like a real challenge. They're glad DaS3 is kid's mode.
See:
>>342935478
DS3 and ds2 pvp are played exactly the same because there's no poise.
>get hit once
>get stunned
>get hit again because the person is guaranteed a second hit
>This shitty method of poise guarantees that fags will only go for hit confirms.
Fun game fromsoft.
>>342938147
>ds2
>no poise
???
>>342938147
DaS2 has poise you fucking idiot.
They'd also still be absolutely nothing alike even if DaS2 didn't have poise.
>>342938373
DaS2 was stunlock central.
>>342938534
did you not play the game after it was patched or what?
>>342938373
>>342938270
You two are retarded and clearly never played the game. Kys please.
>>342938750
t. never played dark souls 2 after the first 2 weeks
>>342938750
Who are you trying to fool here? Yourself?
souls pvp has always been total garbage, for one reason or another
I don't know why you autistic faggots care about it so much
>>342938787
>>342938832
I literally played it a ton before dark souls 3 came out. Poise is essentially useless.
>Put on light armor
>stunned for two hits with a dagger
>Put on medium armor stunned for two hits
>put on havels
>wow I actually last a single hit to a dagger without getting stunned
kys
>>342938939
souls PvP how it's supposed to be is great
souls PvP how they made them into DUDE HONOR NO ENVIRONMENT USAGE ALLOWED LMAO is garbage because it's 70% reads
>>342938992
so you admit poise does something? sounds like you were wrong to me
>>342939083
>HURR DURR POISE TECHNICALLY HAS A SMALL EFFECT
Lmao kill yourself please.
>>342935478
>implying it wasn't harder in DaS where you had no Estus and had to rely on Humanity (which was at least a full heal) while friendly phantoms got healed every time the host drank Estus plus being able to use Humanity themselves, poise monsters, DMB/CMW+anything, invisible Pursuers, etc.
Gank fights are only harder in DaS3 in low levels, shit gets way easier as you level up. It's just obvious that with how popular it's become that invaders are now something that's supposed to be killed by the average person (with the help of his friends), not feared. Invasions aren't scary, heart pounding, thrilling, whatever for the average person anymore. Instead of essentially being a semi-random mini-boss/boss encounter it's just free souls and some Estus back (until they get to the higher levels and invaders have better chances against a multi-man fight but even then they still have the same mindset).I honestly hate the Souls community these days, there were always faggots but it's just unbearable now, partly due to time and partly due to popularity and all the things that brings. Duelers hate invaders and vice versa, co-opers hate reds and vice versa, everything is known before the game is released, wild and borderline random assertions as 'lore' (DUDE LUDWIG IS THE CLERIC BEAST LMAO), etc. This is one of those things where I can say with absolute certainty that the good old days were actually good and not purely nostalgia.
>>342939143
you must be 18 or older to browse this site, please leave and let the adults discuss
>>342937604
>bloodborne's PVP is the most balanced
*Scholar of the First Sin's
>>342938992
>>342939143
You're a fucking moron man. Seek educational help.
>>342939189
I'd put DaS2 as a close second, there are still a bunch of useless shit whereas every weapon in BB is viable, except maybe the cane and mace
>>342939216
>>342939182
>wow with full havels I can withstand a dagger hit
>uh oh he two handed the dagger
>now I'm stunned in one hit again
Please die niggers.
>>342939418
you can exaggerate all you want, it won't make it true
>>342939453
https://youtu.be/2SdVlq7OTQE
>>342939453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuNoKLi-n84
>>342939564
>video within 5 days or release pre patch
K, nice job outing yourself
>>342939609
this video has nothing to do with poise and just shows some guy beating scrubs. you can do this in DaS1 too where poise is OP
>>342939619
you want me to make a new video to educate you?
No I've got better things to do. It works exactly the same.
>>342939675
1:33
>>342939705
please do, i know you're wrong.
it's pretty pathetic that you're still keeping this up on an anonymous image board. What would your parents or friends think?
>>342939773
yes, what about it?
>>342932968
>lets make a good single player game and attach multiplayer for those weeabo nerds who cant be satisfied by single player mode
>>342939564
>>342939609
>2 seconds apart
>>342939705
>>342939773
>1 second apart
are you seriously pretending to be 2 different people to make it seem like your argument holds any ground? that's really fucking pathetic
>>342939850
>guy in armor with a straight sword
>guy naked with a dagger
>both stun each other equally
If you don't see a problem with this you're downright retarded.
>>342939942
strong attack on dagger, guy not at very high poise
nothing wrong to me
>>342939935
I'm not pretending to be two different people retard. I am the same person and never suggested otherwise.
>>342939189
DeS PVP (almost everything is or can be bullshit but countered by other bullshit) = BB PVP (almost everything is balanced) > DaS3 PVP (at least hyperarmor actually exists, I guess) > DaS2 PVP (everything is kinda sorta balanced but not really after all the patches) > DaS1 PVP (BS fishing and R1 spam at its worst)This is almost purely subjective
>>342939942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dawte2isDUE
here's post patch
now educate yourself before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself
>>342939189
>that image
DaS2 is the worst in every single way, and you embody that cancer
>>342940043
>das3 pvp balance above anything else
shit is fucking broken on a fundamental level, unlike the others which just had to have their numbers tweaked
>>342940169
Shit's fucked but I found shit more fucked in the other 2, except for DeS where everything's shit was super fucked and it actually worked out OK.
>>342940267
I can see finding 1 more fucked because of what you said plus broken dark magic was never nerfed, but 2 is clearly more balanced than 3
>>342940116
>>342939935
You know what losers give me your steam id and we can test it right now.
Otherwise shut up.
>Two hand a weapon
>get a guaranteed Stunlock
wew.
I fell like Miyazaki knew DaS is catering more and more to casuals and made invasions difficult on purpose, I swear to god some of the hosts I encountered are complete shitters
>invade in Grand Archives
>host and two of his buddies at the rooftops
>bait them and proceed to trigger 2 or 3 gargoyles
>blueberry comes
>kill bluefag, gargoyles tore a new asshole in host and his buddies
>host out of estus, suddenly dissapears when I kill one of his buddies
>I spent the next 40 minutes running around the Archives and fighting off blues
>I killed like 10 of bluefags, finally one of them shows me where the host is, seeing a lonely red in a cleared out location
>host has been curling up behind one of pillars at the rooftop, near the ledge
>kick him his fucking afk
>kill him
I swear to god, host decided it would be better to just hide and wait for me, possibly infinitely, to be killed by a blue or black crystal out of boredom, instead of killing himself or making his last stand.
He even went afk, what's the point in that?
>>342940330
don't have it on PC, but the video explain everything anyway
>>342940383
the video only supports me
>has to do the amount of poise damage your armor has
>every weapon has more poise damage than the max poise you can have
wew
>>342940373
I don't even know why these morons bother playing souls games
For the DLC should I be on NG+ or NG++?
>>342940457
>video clearly shows poise having a fundamental affect on gameplay
>still insists it's just as useless as DaS3
I really don't know what else to say, guess it's my fault for keeping this up
>>342940520
I find NG+ to be easier than NG since you have more tools
don't know about NG++, I always go with NG for a fresh experience
>>342940567
I will give you this. If the person one hands the weapon poise is slightly less than useless.
If the weapon is two handed then poise is functionally the same as ds3
>>342940325
It could just be my hate boner talking, honestly. I'll put it above 3 in terms of balance but I never really enjoyed Das2's PVP, patched or otherwise, first playthrough or otherwise and never really had a problem dealing with 3's bullshit outside of low level invasions.
>>342940626
Last i heard the video is outdated. They buffed poise near when the remake got released.
>>342941116
not the guy you responded to but the guy he responded too
not too sure about that, I only played through das2 2 times before SotFS. I wouldn't doubt it considering what I heard SotFS did to the game
>>342941116
I played the remake a week before ds3 came out.
![lightning_stake[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/LvNEIup.png "lightning_stake[1].png")
literally the only good offensive miracle in the entire game
how they managed to fuck up balance after das2, I'll never know
>>342941432
Did you use heavy weapons like ultragreatswords? You get poise mulitpliers depending on what kind of weapon youre swinging.
>>342941519
ds2 had worse miracles wtf are you talking about.
>lightning spears do no damage because they accidently nerfed them
>they never fix it
topkek.
>>342941664
I had many different builds. My fav was bonefists though.
>>342941675
das2 had a proper WotG, sunlight spear is still good, and buffs that aren't bugged to hell
>>342941771
what's the difference between ds2 and 3's WOG?
>>342941519
Nigga do you not remember them trying to nerf offensive miracle usages but increasing damage then, only for it to be a nerf to usages and damage making them worthless throughout the whole game unless you have the best miracle with the best chime with the best infusion with the best FAI cap in which case it's OK, then never fixing it
>>342941824
lol
I'd tell you, but I think this is one of those things you have to experience for yourself. My jaw dropped when I used WotG in DaS3 for the first time.
>>342941868
I've used it and it seems exactly the same except for the animation.
>>342941851
wasn't too big on das2, didn't experience post patch
but from what you're telling me it sounds like with set up miracles are at least viable
>>342941926
it's a fucking 3.5 second start up, NOBODY is going to get hit by it
I'm pretty sure it does less damage too but I can't confirm
>>342941928
With the best set-up a single offensive miracle was viable, where it was the least needed since you're at the end of the game when you have all that shit and lol L.Spears in PVP
>>342941970
Uhm how long exactly was ds2 wog? They seem the same speed to me.
I've hit people with wog before in ds3 on my paladin build. You sort of have to trap them against a wall.
>>342935879
>now what little reason there was to choose big weapons and armor in general has gone
Nope, heavy weapons are the most viable they've ever been.
>because nothing else comes close to comparing
Wrong. Plain wrong.
>magic is the worst and with the least variety it's ever had so all builds are quality now
Mostly true. Magic is for shitters anyway.
>strong attacks now all have a big delay even if you just tap the button
Strong attacks, when uncharged, are way, WAY faster than in DaS1 and the charging gives you room to play with parry baiting and roll-catching
>hornet ring is back in a game where armor and hp doesn't matter and an offhand caestus gives monoscim tier parries
Parries have always been a problem in DaS pvp and this time around I'd say it's the best it's been. Also backstabs.
>>342942056
>Nope, heavy weapons are the most viable they've ever been.
Only because of gay ass hyperarmor which is essentially a lazier and shitier version of poise.
>>342941926
Slower in DaS3, does phys so it can just be blocked, can be rolled
Faster in 2, does lightning so it can be blocked by specialized shields but will go through most, couldn't be rolled (at least at first, don't remember if they nerfed that or not)
>>342942130
>Only because of gay ass hyperarmor which is essentially a lazier and shitier version of poise
Other way around DaS1babby, poise is the lazier and shittier version
>>342942154
ds2 wog can be rolled.
>>342942031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXC0IGOPCrE
4:02 is what I did when I played, not sure how much it's changed since then, it's a lot faster and does more damage
>>342942216
>Literally every big weapon is played the same way
>less variety because there's literally no reason to have heavy armor and everyone plays the same way because there's no poise
gg
>>342942256
So they did nerf it. I thought so but I remember people bitching about how it was literally impossible to dodge through WoG because the hitbox lasted longer than the roll. Considering they castrated FAI I shouldn't have questioned whether or not they nerfed it.
>>342942321
>every weapon uses attack button
What a joke.
>>342942321
Holy shit, stop embarrassing yourself.
UGS play completely different from GS, and both play totally different to greataxes, and all of them play differently from greathammers, with slight variations amongst weapons in the same category.
And heavy armor does have its' use by giving higher damage reduction and improved hyperarmor. I will agree they should get slightly better defensive bonuses though.
>>342942594
>>342942535
>Wait for your opponent to attack
>time your attack perfectly so you trade hits with them but you don't get stunned because oh hyperarmor
>because poise doesn't exist hit them again because of your guaranteed hit
They sure are played very differently :^)
>>342942321
>UGS is different from GS is different from SS is different from DS is different from Spears
Holy shit I know SS/Rapier R1 spam is annoying but they don't play the same way just because they all have varying hyperarmor with properly timed hits, that's like saying all weapons play the same because when you attack at the right time you damage the enemy
I want the Darkmoon Blade miracle and obviously I'm going to have to farm ears. How long does it take on average?
>>342942830
buckle up
>>342942808
>the animation and attack speed are a little different
>everyone still plays exactly the same way
>HURR DURR THEY'RE DIFFERENT THO!!!!
>>342942830
It took me a week of AFK summon waiting. Like 8 hours a day of turning the game on and then doing something else until i got summoned. Apparently its faster to just farm it from the knights but that actually requires hours of farming.
>>342942830
I've never had to farm ears to get them. Why don't people wear the blue sentinel thing as soon as they get it and get the ears that way?
>>342942884
>>342942934
Well shit. I managed to farm all the swordgrass in only ~2.5 hours but this is gonna be a real slog.
>>342943080
If youre one of the lucky people who get constant blue cop summons it can go by really fast.
>>342943080
when I was in watchdogs for about 3-4 hours, I didn't get a single summon
I got like 8 summons like 6-8 hours of being in darkmoon
so there's that I guess
>>342942830
Hours. Like 10+, if not more. If you're unlucky you might spend over 2 hours for a single ear. DMB is literally just magic flavored Lightning Blade in this game, there's no reason to get it other than collecting miracles or you want blue weapon instead of yellow weapon.
>>342942968
Because it's fucked and tied to some arbitrary bullshit like when your account logged in to DaS3 for the first time or some shit. Can't be fucked to remember the specifics but some people get all the summons and the rest get almost none.
>>342942679
Literally every weapon in the game.
>Use curved/straight/thrusting/weeb sword
Time/space your attack so that you hit your opponent without getting staggered yourself
>Because there's no poise hit the again
Holy shit fromsoft, every light weapon plays the same >:(
>>342943273
Every light weapon does play the same.
Without poise the only fun weapons are the ones with special attacks.
>>342937604
What the fuck is this? Everyone knows BB's PVP is beyond fucked sure everything is viable but not as viable as blood weapons.
>defense is good as shit
>Bow/dagger that deals massive blood damage which turns the game a circling fiesta with an avelyn sidearm which fucks other builds
>dump 99 stats on vit and get flat damage gems then pick avelyn/rifle spear/whatever firearm
>parry fishing with any of your fucking firearm
>not to mention the noticeable latency on every PVP
Every PVP encounter is a fucking parry fishing fest. I swear I heard Miyazaki saying "I don't want Bloodborne a shooting game" before release.
>>342942912
>weapons arts and L1 combos with dual swords is the same as spear pokes
>>342943429
>not as viable as blood weapons
?
none of the blood weapons are top 3
>>342943492
>gaytard twinswords
>thinks he's original
>>342932968
WHy do you hate fun?
>>342943538
That doesn't even change the fact that PVP is a circling parry fishing fest. Especially on the standard levels.
>>342943667
it's a good thing you can cross up in BB with dashing and bullets are limited
>>342943553
Everyone playing the same way and being unoriginal are two different things although they can be the same, and Gotthard aren't the only paired swords unless you're being autistic about nomenclature.
>>342943429
>BB's PVP is beyond fucked
>not as viable as blood weapons
You got unzipped, didn't you
>>342943725
>roll attack
>roll attack
>roll attack
>roll l2
>>342943714
20 is more than enough for it and you will never deplete it in a match. And it makes PVP a fucking 10-15 minute session. Even with cross up he just moves to the nearest wall and do the blood vial which mind you takes a half-second animation to do which is terrible.
>>342943831
>not parrying blood vials
>>342943808
What's your point? It's different from R1 spam or baiting a move so you can hyper armor through it.
Being a Finger is suffering
>>342943865
That's why I said move to the nearest wall or blockade every smart player moves to the nearest obstacle and away you go. Which is why I always bait on an open area but that doesn't take away the fact that healing can also be done once you move away from the agressor.
>>342943894
>all I have to do to know how someone will play is look at their weapon because their armor has no effect on combat
wew
>>342943930
Grand Archives is the only place worth invading at. Just make sure you only invade near the start so you've got less chance of invading a ganksquad that's killed everything in the level while just waiting for you.
>>342944038
>being able to tell how someone might play based on their weapon is the same as all people with all weapons playing the same
wew
>>342943538
>none of the blood weapons are top 3
Maybe it's just me, but
>played Bloodborne 3 months straight before DaS3 release
>went strength build because bad with magic or skill shit
>also didn't know what the hell BLT is good for or viable
>all the time only used +0 hunter pistol to visceral
>started replaying BB 3 weeks ago after DaS3 since it's release because I personally prefered BB
>fuck it, go with skill/blt this time
>early game is a mess since there is no reason to skill BLT
>go with saw cleaver and pure skill build till cainhurst
>get chikage
>damage is neat but BLT useless at the moment
>level up to +10 and flat damage gems
>pump up BLT and vitality
>slowly start to destroy everything mid-late game
>mfw I one-shot every pvp encounter
I should have started with bloodtinge in the beginning. The transformed charged R2 is a rapefest with an acceptable debuff
>>342943420
And what does traditional poise add that would make them not play the same.
At this point I'm fully taking the bait.
>>342946294
They wouldn't know what stuns you so they will have to rely on a more diverse moveset.
>>342946398
But you already have to do that because r1 spammers are incredibly easy to parry.
And if you use a heavy weapon you can punish them both with range and hyperarmor.
Poise is neither needed nor an improvement by any means. The balance is as good as it's gonna get.
>>342946548
Were did you see me talk about r1 spammers?
So you counter a a heavy weapon user by copying them?
Wow you're a fag. Just put poise back in the game or ds1 will go down in history as the best pvp and pve souls game.
>>342946664
Ya pushed it too far.
Dropped.
>>342946294
There are so many times I've been stunlocked and ruined in PvP and PvE because I literally cannot move
>whilst wearing heavy armor
>>342932968
>alright team, give the invaders base health as well as halving their flask usage
one more r1 than him to win isn't a big deal
>also, prioritize those with summons to equalize their games
Good, winning 1v2 or 1v3 is infinitely more satisfying than killing some beginner.
>nah senpai, put in a consumable that makes the enemies attack the invader regardless of where the host or invader is, make it permanent unless the summon session is over too.
Fuckyeah, it's so chaotic then, and if not you can run past them and find a comfy spot to ambush
>sure, but let the host chose whether or not they can with an item. Also let the item allow for summoning 3 phantoms instead of 2, and limit invaders to 2.
Up to 3 invaders, and who cares? 1v4s are doable too, you just need to prep for the job.
>good work team, lets call it a day!
I wouldn't have it any other way.Even with all this I win way more than I lose, and the thrill is what I love for when invading. I go in and do EVERYTHING to win, so I do.
If you want honorable 1v1s, there's red soapstones and such.
