Was there any point to this demo beyond showcasing the combat being fucking awful and the game not worth buying?
>>341912636
I get the feeling that after all this time, they don't really know what they're doing with the game and they're just throwing stuff out there and hoping that it works. Like they never figured out how to translate the basic combat and movement concepts into good gameplay and they're just making content without real direction. That's the only explanation I can think of for why everything changes from build to build, why they keep soliciting feedback and making major system changes, and why it still isn't any fun to play.
>>341913023
Having played both demos I can definitely see that.
A lot of people are wondering how the game works, and the answer really is that it doesn't.
>>341912636
Is that a dog penis on it's head?
>>341912636
No, that's pretty much the whole point of it. What a piece of shit, I can't believe they've spent this long and still don't have a fun game.
>>341914341
>>341913023
FFXV: A World Reborn coming 2018, please look forward to it. This is exactly what they did to FFXIV when it came out for the first time. They made a half baked product that wasnt ready and threw it out to the public and then wondered what happened. You'd think that they'd have learned after that too, but nope.
>>341912636
>the game not worth buying?
That's exactly the point of a demo, anon. You cant try the game before you buy it.
ED was fine, I just felt like the UI stuff was obviously placeholder stuff
and then PD came out and was terrible and the new videos still show bad UI. Also how the fuck is there no footage of the fucking skill tree 3 months before launch?
>>341912636
I really wish they just cancelled this game and focused on FF7 remake then start a whole new Final Fantasy 15. I remember being really hyped for this when they announced the change to 15 but almost every piece of news since has been a disappointment and the demo's have all sucked. Of course this games makes me really worried about FF7 remake being even decent considering they seem to have similar gameplay.
As someone who hasn't played the demos yet, what's wrong with it?
This game is gonna be ultra comfy, I don't know why people can't see it
Why don't you guys like it? I thought the levels were all cool as shit and combat was fun enough.
>>341917151
You're not alone anon, I had a smile the whole time I played the demo. Gave me those Kingdom Hearts 1 feels.
>>341918341
>>341918341
>>341918538
I literally can't see what's wrong with this
>>341918538
>>341916038
>graphics are more important than gameplay
>>341917123
The combat is floaty, unfun nonsense. There is just nothing going on beyond cool animations with no weight or feel.
>>341918740
It is not pn pc and 80% on /v/ are Pcucks so there you go.
I think it was supposed to showcase lighting / weather effects and some other special effects. Also vehicles. But yeah, it was pretty bad overall.
>>341918740
That's because you haven't actually played it, try judging actual gameplay instead of the animations.
>>341919953
>pc players complaining about their experience with a demo not on pc
Epic.
>>341919451
>Completely unrelated FF thread is posted as soon as the last one croaks
Don't feed the shill, people.
>>341915832
God thats gorgeous
>>341920078
The only thing I can infer from it is that you pretty much can't get hit if you just spam dodge and it seems to have regenerating HP?
>>341916682
I wouldn't worry. The people who made the VsXIII concept so great were moved over to FF7 RE when Tabata took over.
>>341916331
Cause for once in the video game indusrty they dont want to spoil a single damm thing where every company spoils there game
>>341920469
>don't feed the shill
>thread calls the combat "fucking awful" and flatly states that the game is "not worth buying"
>shill
I think something is wrong with your head m80.
>>341920469
Maybe you should actually check what time the thread was made instead of acting like a retard.
But look at how C I N E M A T I C is is OP with its chromatic aberration out the ass and depth of field so intense as to cover up our shitty art design
>>341913023
I've had this crystal clear and have been saying it to apparently no effect since they announced Tabata was taking over and the entire game combat system was reduced to playing by keeping the commands pressed and you couldn't switch members. Like what the actual fuck. Who in their right senses would do that when you have a prototype that already allows it.
It clearly used to be the logical and grown-up's evolution from Kingdom Hearts 2, but that 2 year hiatus until it showed up in E3 with Tabata directing the title completely killed off the gameplay.
What a fucking hack, this clearly isn't his project and it should've never been given to him.
>>341921182
Stop it, you will summon bazztek. We don't want that.
>>341912636
Shota Noctis was really cute desu
The ED demo was okay, I actually grew to like it after some time with it.
This new demo took everything good or even bearable about the gameplay and threw it out the window.
Will the full game throw that demo out the window and actually be good?
>>341921315
I don't even know who that faggot even is and I couldn't care less. Some autist anons won't make my words any less true.
>>341919451
>Tutorial Boss
Okay?
People are still getting excited for corridor simulators in 2016.
>>341921525
it's xv-kun.
>>341920983
>>341921030
>Never created a thread early/haranguing the thing you wanted to shill to bait
Seriously?
>>341921731
Maybe you should actually check what time the thread was made instead of acting like a retard.
>>341921641
>its just a demo
>its just a tutorial
>its just a beta
>they'll patch it
>>341921641
>If I ignore the actual problem and pretend there is some other context going on it makes the problem go away
No. The combat is garbage, that "tutorial boss" is the final boss of the demo, and it's dull as fuck to fight.
>>341921182
Maybe they should fucking stop making terrible autopilot "action" RPGs and make Final Fantasy turn based again
>>341921182
I miss Versus.
>>341917151
Dude I'm just buying this game for the feels and comfyness. And maybe the story.
People are acting like combat in Final Fantasy was once fun or some shit.
On a different subject. What do you guys think of the anime?
So, is there anyone here defending the game who actually played the Platinum demo?
It really seems like that's not the case.
>>341918341
>>341918740
>>341919953
>>341920484
>>341921641
>>341922209
???
>>341922209
Episode 2 playing in literal Japan was immersion breaking. I mean seriously?
>>341921964
>>341921968
>Tutorial boss doesn't force you to use any mechanics to show off the depth of combat and is a sandbag
Who woulda thunk?
>>341922082
This wasn't going to be a main title. Just like, I don't know, fucking final fantasy advenure for example. I miss having hopes.
But I agree. I miss turn based combat. But suddenly people decided somehow that turn based games are obsolete despite bravely default selling like there is no tomorrow.
Whatever. I'll just kill myself or something.
>>341922086
It looked so fun anon. I get sad at times.
>>341922086
Looks like KH-lite desu senpai.
>Those portraits in the lower right
lol
>>341922529
>ITS JUST A TUTORIAL
>THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THIS GAME MADE BY A SHIT COMPANY THAT HASNT MADE A GOOD GAME IN A DECADE IS SHIT.
>>341912636
>the combat being fucking awful
Source?
>>341922649
>Those portraits in the lower right
I'm glad those are gone at least, they looked very distracting.
>>341922639
Thats the real irony, is that Square started to feel like turn-based games were antiquated so they threw out a turn-based game that fucking everybody went nuts for and they still don't get the hint
If you're over the age of 12 you should probably realize that Kingdom Hearts fucking killed Square on top of being a terribly written, boring to play series that became the fucking framework of every main title they've made since.
>>341921182
I had a certain professor in college. In public, when showing off the work of students who would reflect well on him, he'd be all smiles, downplaying how much he'd helped them but making sure everyone know he was involved in their development. He would say shit like how proud he was of their work and talk up all the stuff they would do in the future.
In private, he was a complete dildo. Everything - including the way he taught his classes - was geared towards reinforcing his ambitions of taking over the department. He would ignore students who weren't on board (literally saying things like, "Get on the bus or get run over"), kick them out of the facilities (illegally) during study hours, embarrass them, give them minimal help, stuff like that. He would hold private mixers and grab a bunch of his proteges for trips to a large city nearby and then regale all the students who didn't get to go with stories of what they did, rather than teach class. He also tried to undermine other teachers. And you wouldn't really notice this stuff until he locked in on you; he'd only attack people in a way that made it look like they deserved it, but as soon as it happened to you, you would look back and realize that he'd gone off on people for silly shit.
But again, in public, it was always about how great things were. Anyone who was suspicious and questioned it was given a smiling, wishy-washy answer that low-key absolved him of all fault, and then the asker would be put on his hit list.
I say all this because Tabata strikes me as just like him, down to the fashion sense and being a manlet. A lot of devs are hard-nosed in-studio, but there's a certain stink on guys who are manipulative, untruthful, and out for themselves. A game takes 10 years to come out and there's a smooth transition to a new director? Please.
>>341922649
>Looks like KH-lite
The Platinum Demo is basically Kingdom Hearts except you just hold the attack button instead of mashing it mindlessly
>>341922701
Maybe if you keep greentexting in caps, whatever you say will become true.
This game is still gonna sell and be successful no matter what. Personally, I think it looks boring as fuck and it plays terribly but that's just one guy's opinion in a sea of rabid FF fans who will suck this game's dick like no tomorrow. It's a shame because I was so hyped for this game when it first was announced but everything that's been shown has just killed any hype I had.
>>341923118
Maybe if you keep deflecting, your game wont be shit
Pro tip: it will still be shit.
>>341923117
Doesn't sound much better than the shit build that we have now.
>>341923436
That's what I mean.
>>341922649
>Looks like KH-lite desu senpai.
Well, I mean, that's kind of what we wanted. Late game could have all the flashy aerial combat that's hard as hell to control if it wanted, because by then we'd be use to the controls. The only thing I like in XV over this is the UI design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axpKb5dyjz8
>>341922209
First episode was really good. The second episode killed any hope I had for the story. It confirmed that we are 100% in Jap-pandering territory.
>>341922086
That looks absolutely no different from current FFXV.
Anyone have the webm that shows FFXVs combat and Versus combat side by side
>>341912636
It was just a glorified tech demo showing off the graphics and a tutorial covering basic combat without any party members to support you.
It was fun for me but I really want to get into the meat of the combat system with linked attacks and having battles against more than one enemy rather than 1v1 against an Iron Giant.
I'm still hyped and believe this will be a good game. Maybe not 10/10 but a satisfying 8.
The demo was great, after I learned how more advanced combat worked.
>>341922961
I like old school games, and I also like KH. Fuck me, right.
I don't think KH is at fault but the companly simply lakcing any kind of talent and direction besides a few people here and there.
Sakaguchi used to push creating IP's and variety. Him leaving the company really hurt it. Yeah, the spirits within bombed, but c'mon.
What was the reasoning given for making this FFXV anyway? Were they flat out of ideas and just decided to repurpose a spin-off into the next mainline title?
Is it just me that would rather they just bring back ff10 combat? This shit looks godawful
>>341923818
No, there are subtle differences. In KH and VsXIII, attacks only move the character if the attack moves them or the enemy is knocked back; otherwise, they stand in one place. In XV, there's weird instances where Noctis is attacking a stationary enemy but is flitting around it, attacking from the left, then the right. It's disorienting. On top of that, PD features the windup and knockback slowdowns that were in Type-0; slowed animation, not framerate. Again, for KH players, this is disorienting.
>>341923818
What happens when you make an action RPG that's more about spectacle than actual RPG or good combat. I still find the warp dodge mechanic hilarious, as if a fucking bandaid placed ontop of the fact that Noctis controls like a salted slug.
It looks pretty but I really really really hate the combat system. I wish they had used FF12 style fighting instead of trying to do this realtime mess. The fighting in 12 was the best mix of turn based and real time combat and the gambits gave you so much control over everything, gah I loved that game.
>>341924701
Noctis moves fine. I can tell you haven't played the two demos
>>341924559
Stop posting xv-kuns cherry picked webm, the gameplay is completely different. Only the animations are the same.
Final Fantasy Dissidia is the only good FF game after this. Is that coming to the west too? I heard its on japanese arcades or something
>>341924548
Pretty much. Of course they are the same animations, FFXV is built from that prototype. But the game feel is different even from the video.
>inb4 waah waah how can you even tell them appart you didn't try the versus 13 one waah waah.
>>341924559
>tfw the new stuff actually looks better than the old stuff
Why are people trying so hard to force this "FFXV is bad" meme?
I played the titan demo at E3 and it was awful. I couldn't tell what the hell was going on 90% of the time.
>>341924802
>FF12 style fighting
Yeah, press x for auto attack is really fun. I bet you also shit on XIII for its press x for combat
>>341924802
This. FF12 had the best combat in the series, the end.
Although i like the KH-like combat a lot as well, it doesn't feel like a good fit.
>>341924871
I didn't exactly buy a game I didn't like to play Episode Duscae, but I've played the Platinum Demo several times. I may not understand the 'advanced control' but that doesn't magically make Noctis suddenly control smoothly and excuse the developer's poor handling of his movement.
>>341924802
combat in 12 was horse shot
>>341922529
>game feels like shit
>isn't fun
>IT'S JUST A TOTORIAL
That doesn't even begin to make sense.k Also, >>341922310
>>341923561
Assuming the game had enough environment diversity I would've loved it so much... why didn't they just make two games? The art seems a lot different, although that could just be lighting, now everything looks a little bit too vibrant, almost like a cartoon
>>341924871
He moves like shit compared to other games that accomplish what FFXV's battle system is trying to emulate. After playing other action RPGs you start to form an expectation of how games with similar mechanics should control and FFXV completely fails at it. It fails at something that its TRYING to be.
>>341924956
>stop proving me wrong
ok
>>341918341
>>341918538
>>341920235
These look pretty advanced and yet the game doesn't seem fun.
>>341925036
>>341925134
>demo
whoa
>>341925185
Stop samefagging bazztek, you didnt prove anyone wrong. The animations are the same the gameplay is not.
>>341912636
why did they put a dog's penis on this giant rabbit/cat thing?
fucking japs...
>>341925242
A demo is supposed to make you feel optimistic about the final product.
>>341924973
Because /v/ is shit posting central. If it was on PC /v/ would like it.
>>341925185
All that webm shows is that they reused some animations because obviously they're not going to throw them away for no reason and start from scratch, but the way the game actually plays is clearly different.
>>341912636
It was a tech demo for investors and potential employers/employees.
The tech came first before even the game play.
>>341925425
> /v/ is shit posting central
Bazztek confirmed.
>>341924973
>the outdated and no longer relevant build looks better than the old mock up
That doesn't actually make the current game any good, mr. meme.
>>341925290
>bazztek
Can we fucking bad these people who keep throwing around these gamefaqs circlejerk aliases?
This isn't fucking gamefaqs.
>>341925242
Yes it's short for demonstration, it demonstrates the game allowing you to make judgements of it.
Even with all the reused animations from Versus XIII, it actually looks like something derived from that whole 'time period' of games with camera and gameplay movement that's more close to KH2 and Dissidia than I realized before. Too bad the final product fucked it up.
>>341925242
I'm still looking forward to the game but the demo was balls, man.
Man American evening time /v/ is so refreshing to read compared to cancerous EU hours with bazztek shitposting. This thread sums up exactly how I feel.
>>341924802
I would much rather have combat like FFXV than 12. 12 was so mindlessly boring
>>341925186
Because there's no player involvement going on other than pressing a button occasionally. Show someone footage of Devil May Cry 3 or 4 next to this and if they haven't played it they might go "whats the difference" when there's really so much more going on in a Devil May Cry game that is up to the player's ability. It's a perfect example of this game trying to be something that it isn't because the devs aren't willing to go as far as they need to while the game is still called Final Fantasy and instead of just making a new IP.
>>341925535
>these people
It's obviously just XV-kun doing that.
>Episode Duscae
>get out of the map and explore the town behind the mountain
>Platinum Demo
>get out of the map
>WOAH, SLOW DOWN THERE. YOU AREN'T ALLOWED BACK HERE
>game resets
That's why Platinum Demo is gay.
>>341925390
Yeah, the demo was released on the same day the game announced its release date. Why are you surprised it plays like shit
wtf is this bazztek shit
>>341924559
Looks the same to me, except with a graphics upgrade.
>>341925535
>FFXV-kun gets outed
>Ruins FFXV threads further
2BH FFXV-kun fucked FFXV's reputation on /v/
>>341925528
Who the fuck is that? and are you telling me /v/ isn't 80% shit posting?
>>341913023
Only one man at SE knows what he's doing when making a Final Fantasy game and all he did was copy WoW. But I give Tabata credit for what he's done so far with XV. I think something like XV would have been unthinkable coming from SE Japan just a few years ago. Let's just they don't throw the baby out with the bath water when they make FFXVI.
>>341925783
I'm more surprised that people can't admit that it plays like shit.
>>341924802
I would have loved a mix between XII, XIII, and what XIII was originally supposed to have been. So, gambits and movement control of one character, paradigms (i.e., gambit deck shifts), and careful usage of cinematic camera angles during certain attacks. Or, if you wanted a more turn-based version, have the computer and your enemy choices determine movement, with QTE or a dedicated button for dodges.
I mean, remember how baller this shit looked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHatmEIygg
Elements of 12 was all they needed to make this playable.
>>341925103
>game feels like shit
Have you played it? Or are you just parroting the hivemind like a sheep?
>>341925970
>hivemind
it isn't a hivemind when most people that aren't the average consumer who doesn't give a shit or a rabid defender, generally agree that the demo is sluggish and not very fluid for an action game, no matter how much warp strike spam you do
>>341922086
We should just have Versus threads and nostalgia over what could have been.
>>341925970
I've played both demos that were publicly available, yes. Keep crying.
>>341926180
>it isn't a hivemind when
It's a hivemind when you haven't played it and are parroting garbage you heard on /v/, sorry.
FFXV is shit, but I guarantee that you and most of the critics haven't even played it.
>>341925914
it doesn't though
once you learn aerial combos and cancels it's fun as fuck
seems loads of people love it see >>341923915
I'm honestly looking forward to World of Final Fantasy far more than XV. At least that game has that quirky and charming turn-based feel of the FF games of old. I don't even know what XV is trying to be. The combat looks so bad.
>>341925970
I was at E3 bruh. Played the titan demo.
>>341926294
>turn-based
It's okay, XV has wait mode so your slow brain can comprehend was is going on. Just like your turn-based gmaes.
>>341926268
I have over 20 hours in Episode Duscae. I loved the combat in Duscae, but the Platinum Demo left a sour taste. It could have just been because I was coming over from playing the Duscae version so much, but the PD didn't compare at all in terms of combat.
>>341926268
what is this, "you didn't play it so you can't complain" when your method of saying people didn't play it is that you disagree with what they think about the demo?
are you mentally twelve?
>>341925120
They dialed up the vibrancy and contrast, for sure. The color scheme also seems to be warmer and duskier in general.
>>341926493
Why? ED is more automated and casual than PD
>>341926442
I've beaten NGB on Master Ninja, so I really have no idea what you're trying to get at. There's nothing wrong with turn-based games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHg-OsoSyU
>>341926769
Man, this would almost look interesting if I didn't know the guy was just holding square the whole time and pressing X every once in a while.
>>341926759
oh boy bring up DMC next
tell us how this game should play like Bayonetta too while you're at it
https://youtu.be/vkZvdT3QS4k?t=2m42s
A shame the whole attack on the city sequence was cut.
>>341926891
He didn't say the game should play like Ninja Gaiden you worthless troll.
>>341926493
What didn't you like about PD but liked about ED? Because ED felt like ass as well.
>>341926537
>what is this, "you didn't play it so you can't complain"
How can you saw something is shit when you haven't even touched it? It's literally hivemind mentality. Child.
>>341926924
pfft fuck that I'd rather push a car for 20 minutes
>>341912636
You mean the combat being great and showing a solid foundation for it? Get gud you fucking faggot.
>>341926987
>He
yeah fuck off you didn't
you're on of those idiots who thinks every arpg should play like a platinum hack n slash
>>341927076
>holding square for automated combat and pressing x when something moves away is so deep breh
Hilarious.
>>341926708
>press up on dpad to draw sword
>press down on dpad to draw hammer
>hold square
>never press circle because using magic would only make fights take longer
In Duscae I'd be switching between different abilities and timing them out to make them more effective. Sure, I disliked not being able to control what weapons Noctis pulled out during combos, but I at least felt like I was doing something instead of holding down a button.
>>341913023
Or they had a single solid game in the main game and all these demos are just showing small slices of specific things with tons of shit locked out.
>>341927124
Man, you really are angry you got btfo by multiple people. Keep strawmanning and pointing fingers, it's funny.
>>341919556
Except there is more gameplay there than in any other FF.
>>341927124
More like every turn based RPG shouldn't get changed into an ARPG if you can't actually make good action.
>>341926769
>Ignis and Gladio just teleporting next to Noctis
Having party members that aren't just sitting ducks is a neat idea but they should really iron that out.
>>341925889
I don't get this. All of the KH games have stellar combat. They might be Babby's First Cuhrayzee, but that's like complaining that a Scion FR-S doesn't handle as well as a Porsche. I don't understand why they moved those guys off XV.
>>341926924
Everything that was good was cut out. Or not made. Or some bullshit.
>>341927270
>holding square is GOAT gameplay confirmed
Nah.
>>341920616
No they weren't, the Versus team is still in the XV team as well as 200 other devs who joined in 2013. Only Nomura and one out of many programmers left in 2014.
>>341927406
Shut the fuck up xv-kun
>>341912636
>Can't save at all in the demo.
>Keep stopping during the kid part because it's boring as fuck and the controls are weird and fucking annoying.
>Never get to see the "proper" battlesystem because of this.
Why was it so hard to include a save function for people who don't want to slog through the child part?
>>341927364
Sounds no different from any other FF
>>341918341
>>341918538
>>341919451
This looks god tier. Glad they fixed the framerate issues in the latest build too.
>>341927483
the child part shouldn't take you more than 45 minutes. Holy shit anon
>>341927602
Those 45 minutes are excruciating because I want to collect all the shit but I keep giving up.
>>341927124
Yes I'd prefer if action games played well.
Especially when you call the demo PLATINUM.
I don't care about your shield and shuriken or airsteps. The combat is still a jumbled mess of random ideas thrown around because fans demanded them when Tabata literally asked for help under the guise of "listening to the fans". Now they've included this wait mode that completely kills the purpose of it being an ARPG.
This game is fucking MESS.
>>341927684
This
>>341926924
>It will never be hakuroku desu ne taimu.
>>341921182
Fuck off NeithOF, XVs combat already has objectivley more input required than any KH ever had and the combat already has more depth too just from weapon switching alone. Get the fuck off Nomura's dick.
>>341926924
>>341927684
These things are why I don't consider this Versus anymore. XV is a bastardization of what I originally fell in love with. I'll probably buy it second hand or something.
>>341926924
>That silent moment when he's just looking out the window and everything that's going through his mind is written subtly on his face
Now we're stuck with >>341923212 anime bullshit
>>341927350
I wonder how many people looking forward to this game complain about setpieces in games like Call of Duty.
Even the combat is a setpiece in this game.
>>341927831
You have either clearly never played any KH game, or are absolutely fucking retarded. Or both.
And what the fuck is a NeithOF even.
>>341927602
>more than 45 minutes
You mean 20?
>>341927684
>when Tabata literally asked for help under the guise of "listening to the fans"
Not all the feedback they took was bad. The automatic weapon switching and cross chain attacks in ED were ass.
>>341926924
>Dat Spiderman intro will never happen.
>>341927168
>Sure, I disliked not being able to control what weapons Noctis pulled out during combos
I disagree on this. I like having a degree of control over weapons since it opens up potential for a higher skill ceiling where you can do the crazy shit you see in the trailers by the end game.
Problem is the combat just doesn't flow right now. I hope they find a way to make it work since it's the closest thing I'll ever get to how I envisioned Emiya Shirou should fight.
>>341928020
>responding
>>341912636
It doesn't matter what they put in because this place would shit on it for not being PC/WiiU exclusive.
>>341927831
can we just ban this XVkun faggot already
stop trying to turn this into gamefaqs
>>341927350
You know this is just going to be a setpiece no different from shit like Quantum Break.
>only game I've been genuinely excited for in the past 5 years
>it's total shit
Tabata was a mistake.
>>341927831
>XVs combat already has objectivley more input required than any KH ever had
nigger you had to equip a skill to give yourself more combat options in KH2 and it still had more depth than this demo did
why is /v/ infested with pcucks
>>341928070
>Not all the feedback they took was bad. The automatic weapon switching and cross chain attacks in ED were ass.
You've missed the point completely. It still shows they have no idea what they're doing. To this very day it's apparent they still don't. Asking fans for help is absolutely pathetic.
Again, this game is just another DNF.
>>341928328
>why are pcucks defending a console exclusive
Fixed.
>>341925889
XIV is fucking shit right now. Fuck Yoshi-P.
>>341922086
>>341922639
Literally the exact same thing as it still is for Noctis. See>>341924559
>>341924548
Wrong, stop spouting your fucking lies NeithOF. There is knockback on every hit as proven by recent footage that Gamespot recorded during their playthrough
>>341924956
Nothing is cherrypicked at all about that, it's showing it has the same combat for speed, input, animation and reaction.
>>341925290
Except that gameplay is the same as what Noctis still has.
>>341925448
It isn't, it always had the crush, ravage, vanquish etc system in place. Nomura even said himself in 2011 that it had the auto weapon switch where different weapon used in different parts of a combo, which is exactly how episode duscae worked which is shown in that webm comparison, and ED mode is still a mode within the full game.
>>341927831
>Fuck off NeithOF, XVs combat already has objectivley more input required than any KH ever had and the combat already has more depth too just from weapon switching alone. Get the fuck off Nomura's dick.
Even Kingdom Hearts 2, which is considered the button-mashy game of the series, has more depth and enemy variety promoting different fighting apporaches than this. Especially on Critical Mode. Weapon switching doesn't suddenly magically make something better, especially since you can only have four weapons equipped at once in XV compared to KH2 giving you several forms to take and the shortcuts for multiple spells on demand combined with an actual fucking guard (that you can optionally disable) compared to XV's lolwarpdodge by holding down a button.
XV-kun needs to seriously kill himself.
>>341928547
Looks like Witcher 3 shitty combat.
>>341923436
But the current build is an objective improvement.
>>341923117
Except holding down O is just a guaranteed method to get a gameover screen so no. Most recent build proves you have proper 1:1 taps.
>>341928118
>it opens up potential for a higher skill ceiling where you can do the crazy shit you see in the trailers by the end game.
Couldn't you still do that even with manual weapon switching?
>>341928343
>It still shows they have no idea what they're doing.
So you'd prefer if they just blindly stumbled along like retards instead? Imagine if they didn't ask for feedback and the game ended up being worse than it looks now.
Both ED and P have shit automated combat, one just had the automatic weapon switching where you set the weapons to have particular roles, making it more interesting than the snore that is P.
>>341924802
You're joking right?
>>341928438
#bringbacktanaka
>>341928730
>So you'd prefer if they just blindly stumbled along like retards instead?
How is this any sort of defense? Even having asked the fans for help, they're STILL stumbling around like retards.
You fucking fanboys are cancer.
>>341928547
>There is knockback on every hit
It looks like a scripted amount of knockback deliberately put there for each individual attack in the combo. They wouldn't make it so you just hold a button to continue your combo if each attack required you to manually position yourself within range again.
>>341928547
>There is knockback
The existence of knockback wasn't what he was talking about dipshit.
>>341928730
>So you'd prefer if they just blindly stumbled along like retards instead?
Honestly yet. At least they could've pretended they knew what they were doing, showing at least a modicum of competence.
>>341925747
You can stop bullshitting already.
>>341912636
>Was there any point to this demo beyond showcasing the combat being fucking awful and the game not worth buying?
Suddenly I'm reminded of this...
>>341928942
>Do Mhach to get 230 that may have better substats than your current lore gear and a token to upgrade your lore gear to to 240 and a materia token to slot into your new 240 piece
>Do dailys for lore tokens
>All to get better gear to to Alexander Savage
>Only to fight bosses you've already beaten in the story
>Only to get gear from them that may be worse than upgraded lore gear depending on substats
What is the fucking point. Yoshi you fucking hack. Normal mode Alex killed the entire progression of the game.
>>341928730
I'd prefer if they put someone in charge who actually knows how to design a combat system instead.
>>341929269
>who actually knows how to design a combat system instead
This. Tabata's games have horrendous combat. This is no different.
>>341929142
you can stop samefagging already xv-kun
>>341926493
The only thing PD didn't have that was useful in ED was the Phantom sword abilities like Knightsguard, Knightshield etc. And that's just because those specific phantom swords weren't in PD and they locked out the other 5 phantom abilities in PD besides warp. Other than that PD is objectively superior in every regard in terms of combat.
>>341928730
>Couldn't you still do that even with manual weapon switching?
I'm saying the automated weapon switching lends to a 'dial-a-combo' type of combat system which I dislike. I like the new direction they're going in where you can manually switch weapons similar to Devil May Cry. It's harder to utilize, but so much more rewarding.
>>341927406
>the Versus team is still in the XV team
The Versus team is the KH2 team, and they're working on KH3 and FF7.
>>341929267
I could've fixed XIV 1.0. Why didn't you give me a chance?
>>341929267
>muh interesting buffs that totally won't be meta mathed into oblivion
Fuck off, cancer.
is it me or does noctis' combat voice go way deeper than his normal voice
>>341927985
I don't mind setpieces as long as they're rewards for learning and executing with the regular system.
>>341926924
The Insomnia gameplay was moved to the end of the game instead when you go back to reclaim the kingdom.
>>341927350
That wasn't cut fuckhead, we even literally see them going against Leviathan in the E3 2016 trailer.
>>341927956
You retarded?
>>341927938
Except gameplay in Insomnia was already confirmed to still be in the game, being not part of the intro doesn't somehow change that.
>>341927684
XV is a party based Action RPG in an open world fucktard, not a hacknslash corridor game.
>Complains when devs don't listen to fans
>Complains when devs do listen to fans
Just fucking end yourself you literal afterbirth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BxZzgKzWiw
>>341929886
From the videos it looks like it's just a generic platforming section with not much thought into gameplay and a bunch of QTEs.
>>341929932
>being not part of the intro doesn't somehow change that
>major change
>doesn't change anything
You're an idiot XV-kun.
>>341929640
KH2 team no longer exists. KH3 is being made by Osaka which is the BBS/DDD team. FF7 is being headed by Kitase and Nomura and that company that makes nauto games.
>>341929932
>when you go back
So we don't get the sequence where the city is being attacked then.
>>341927161
Except you would die if you try to just hold square to win so good job proving yourself wrong.
>>341927284
More like FF has only 4 mainline game that are even turn based and FF has always moved towards more real time based systems ever since the ATB system was created. The creators of ATB even literally said they wanted to go action, even Sakaguchi himself said he wanted FF to be an action game but didn't know how to make one so he made it braindead turn based because casuals can play it.
>>341928270
>Tabata was a mistake.
This so much.
>Yakuza motif scrapped in favor of Game of Thrones shit
>Stella scrapped in favor of generic childhood friend romance character
>Shakespearean undertones scrapped
>overall theme changed to some boring roadtrip shit
What the fuck happened to this game?
>>341929932
>we even literally see them going against Leviathan in the E3 2016 trailer.
We see them fishing for Leviathan. We don't see this.
>>341927168
You have full manual control of when to switch your weapons and can do it anytime mid combo.
>>341929932
>not a hacknslash corridor game
Looking at >>341924559 you could've fooled me.
>Complains when devs don't listen to fans
Sorry, I don't remember complaining about that in my post, you're not just making shit up are you?
>Just fucking end yourself you literal afterbirth
Literally a fanboy frothing at the mouth. At least I don't literally look like an afterbirth XV-kun.
>>341930106
>More like FF has only 4 mainline game that are even turn based
Oh don't give me this bullshit, you know full well what people mean when they say turn based. Having a gauge fill up before you can execute a command isn't the same thing as a real time action game.
>>341928973
>You fucking fanboys are cancer.
>if you don't think the game is shit you're a fanboy
No.
>>341929112
I'd rather have them use the fans' ideas and potentially make a good game than act stubborn because of muh pride or whatever and have the game end up being shit. KT's doing that with Nioh and most people seem fine with that aside from those bitching about casuals.
>>341929932
XV-kun getting heated as fuck
>>341928547
What >>341929003 said. But thanks for posting that webm because it's a perfect example of what I WAS talking about: that little spin move at about 1.5s repositions your character without your input. This is bad. And at about 6, there's a half-second wind-up for your attack BEFORE it scoots you close enough to actually hit the enemy. Sora did the scoot in KH2, but never with that kind of wind-up, because if he did, the enemy has enough time to get out of the way. Which is bad.
>>341930314
>if you don't think the game is shit you're a fanboy
Nice attempt, but you're defending this garbage to the absolute death. People can admit the combat is terrible, but still want to play it. That isn't a fanboy. What you're doing is literal fanboyism.
>I'd rather have them use the fans' ideas
Because you're a fanboy.
>>341930149
s c r i p t e d
Script Fantasy: XV Hours of Scripted Cuhrayzee
>>341930550
I would gladly take scripted over clunky and boring.
>>341927473
Fuck off, literally fuck off. You cunts add nothing to discussing with your constant attempts at dismissing facts with shitposts.
>>341929640
No they aren't, the KH2 team is Tokyo team which is who went on to work on Versus and who stayed on for XV, they were also joined by others from Type-0 team and the Luminous engine team to create a 200+ member dev team.
There is a bunch more devs who were on since Versus who are still on XV that aren't listed here too.
>>341930314
>I'd rather have them use the fans' ideas and potentially make a good game than act stubborn because of muh pride or whatever and have the game end up being shit.
Hey idiot, it's still looking shitty. At least if they didn't beg fans for help they could've shown some semblance of integrity.
Thinking it's okay to literally beg fans for help on the game they're supposed to be making makes you the biggest fucking fanboy.
>>341930028
>Get to play in Insomnia
>B-BUT IT'S NOT THE INTRO!?
Who cares? You get to play in Insomnia at the most crucial part of the game.
>>341930101
So what? They changed that years ago, Insomnia gameplay is still in the game just under different circumstance.
>>341930106
>Except you would die if you try to just hold square to win so good job proving yourself wrong
Oh, I'm so sorry I forgot that you sometimes have to hold the automated dodge button, what a winner this game truly is!
>>341930605
It's both.
>>341930140
>>Shakespearean undertones scrapped
What, the quote from the very first trailers?
>>overall theme changed to some boring roadtrip shit
Nomura said it was roadtrip shit back in 2008.
>>341927364
You think he's holding square there?
Oh boy you have a lot to learn...
>>341930605
Too bad it's both.
>>341930641
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341930741
>So what?
It looked like a cool opening to the game is what.
>>341930741
>Who cares?
Someone who thought the invasion intro was much better than pushing a car.
Escaping the city then coming back to reclaim it is much better than your daddy sending you on an errand which you blindly accept then you're like OH WTF IN INVASION I HAD NO IDEA.
It's fucking retarded, and I hope you enjoy your pushing a car intro.
Faggot.
>>341929932
>You retarded?
Adding fuel to the, "He's autistic," fire, I see.
>>341912636
Do you faggots want amazing looking games with bad gameplay?
Or okay looking games with good gameplay? Because you can't have both. There's never any time for it.
why do you people call him xv-kun
isn't kun an honorific of some degree of endearment
are you fuckers tsundere for a shill
I still have this game pre-ordered. It's the only game I've ever pre-ordered besides Demon's Souls, but god I know I'm in for massive disappointment with this one.I only pre-ordered because I wanted to Kingsglaive bluray, and my local shop doesn't have the best stock-keep.
>>341930510
How am I defending it to the death you fuck? Do you have me confused for XV-kun or something?
>>341930697
>they could've shown some semblance of integrity
The fuck kind of integrity do they have after spending a goddamn decade on this game?
>>341930028
>Get to play in Insomnia
>B-BUT IT'S NOT THE INTRO!?
Who cares? You get to play in Insomnia at the most crucial part of the game.
>>341930101
So what? They changed that years ago, Insomnia gameplay is still in the game just under different circumstance.
>>341930149
No we see them riding on a Niflheim rocket just like you see Niflheim using against Titan. And we literally can still warp to Niflheim airships as both the E3 2016 trailer and Uncovered trailer showed. The second clip is just Noctis running towards Leviatha, which would happen in the battle the same exact way, same as swimming which is confirmed back in January this year. Then he just does a warp strike to a soldier, a single hit on that soldier, all things which are still 100% in the game. Stop fucking lying.
>>341930232
XV is an open world Action RPG you moron.
>Sorry, I don't remember complaining about that in my post
You are exactly the type of faggot that complains when devs listen to fans but then shits on them when they don't listen. Don't even fucking pretend for a second you don't. Just kill yourself NiethOF, you are a swedecuck so you are already cucked beyond belief.
i've got the collectors edition preordered but the demos really turned me off. The combat is horrid
>>341930812
Shut the fuck up XV-kunFor the record, this is how you should respond to him from now on. Don't bother engaging him, it's useless.
>>341931151
>How am I defending it to the death you fuck?
Because you're literally defending a dev begging for help.
>>341930826
>Oh boy you have a lot to learn...
Like what, that he's pressing square and mashing O instead?
>>341931212
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341929838
The point of the post wasn't just the uninteresting gear, it was the fact the gear is fucking useless because there's no drive to completing Alexander Savage unlike Coil. It's all pointless.
>>341931212
Shut up XV-kun.
>>341930741
>>341931212
>XV-kun so mad he's double-posting
>>341931271
Yeah because they need all the fucking help they can get.
>>341930140
Oh look it;s NeithOF samefagging again.
Yakuza motif wasn't scrapped, Noctis literally goes Yakuza mode when king
Stella was trash and was replaced with Luna in 2012 by Nomura.
Shakespearen tones in the game are only stronger now more than ever
The theme of the game was always a fucking roadtrip focussing on bonds and brotherhood as stated by Nomura in fucking 2008 and in 2006.
Stop fucking lying already you cunt.
>>341931212
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
>>341931241I'm not XV-kun.Why not just ignore him entirely?
>>341931212
>You are exactly the type of faggot that complains when devs listen to fans
There's a huge difference between "what do you guys think of this" as opposed to "TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO PLEASE".
>>341931212
>Insomnia gameplay is still in the game just under different circumstance.
How the fuck aren't you getting this? THIS >>341926924
sequence of events is no longer something you play through, instead you read about it happening in a fucking newspaper. Do I really have to explain why that might be less exciting?
>>341931441
>NeithOF
>NeithOF
>NeithOF
>NeithOF
Shut the fuck up XV-kun
