can someone explain this 8 frames of la meme i keep hearing about on this game.
8 frames on PS4
4 frames on PC
capcom makes a shit game, people blame the console BAKA
>>340886483
When you push a button, the moves comes out 8 frames later.
On pc, disable vsync, you get only 4 frames. So yea if PC player vs PS4 player, PC player can have frame advantages and make ps4 player 'lags'
>>340886483
Capcom decided, for whatever reason, to give the game a universal 8 frame delay. You can disable vsync to remove it on PC, but that is not tournament legal and was not the intended way to play the game.
What this 8f delay does is tremendous though. It turns SF, which has always been about baiting and reacting, into far more of a predicting game. You have to anticipate and guess more than react because of the delay before your actions occur.
For example when Nash dashes and grabs you, chances are you inputted grab because it is really obvious when he is trying to do it. What happens? You get grabbed because you would have needed to input that grab tech very early for it to actually register by the time you are grabbed. This is also why Ken and Laura can ever get any mileage on their V-Skills.
It makes a slow and tedious game even more boring to play and it makes it really difficult to deal with rushdown, which is all the game currently is.
It's only about 3f more than the usual.
Basically what I kept telling consolefags last year when it was announced PS4 and PC multiplat.
PS4 players are at an inherent disadvantage. Not only do they input lag from their shitty 100ms+ TV's, but they also have input lag from the game itself.
When it's all said and done PC users can have half or even 1/4th the amount of input lag as the average PS4 user
>>340887921
>For example when Nash dashes and grabs you, chances are you inputted grab because it is really obvious when he is trying to do it. What happens? You get grabbed
I always knew that there was something off with charlie's dash into grab because of its unusually high connect rate. This explains it
>>340888054
bullshit
SG and MK are 3f
even 3rd Strike had 3-4f depending on what you play it on
>>340886483
I need an excuse for when someone blows up my defense by either dash up grabbing me or jumping into my space because I'm shit at teching and anti airing.
>>340887921
I was impressed that there seemed to be someone on /v/ that has any sort of idea what the 8 frame discussion is even about but then you shit yourself.
Game is still very much about reacting, albeit less so.
Teching a throw after Nash dashes in is no problem, the real issue is that you'll have to commit to the tech, making it basically a 50/50 if you get thrown/shimmied.
Ken and Laura STILL get too much mileage out of vskill in tournament play, even with the lag thrown into the equation - it'll be less viable in the future.
You're not wrong in saying that the neutral is more predictive but in the end, things like anti airing aren't as big of an issue as scrubs like to think.
>>340886483
>BAKA
new word filter!? i ment to put S.M.H
>>340887921
sounds like you need to GIT GUD FAGGOT!!!!
>>340888743
newsflash, that word filter isnt the only "new" thing around here
>>340886483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap369ES-6Xw
No one should give a fuck.
>>340887424
>>340888118
no wonder when ever i play PC guys the game is always choppy and lags. i hit them but their moves registers first and the damage i did never happened.
i did a crush counter on someone i saw their health go down but all of a sudden he grabbed me and that health he lost was recovered as if the damage was never done
>>340888974
what else is new?
i always knew about F.A.M
Blame modern hardware.
>>340889104
>8 min
tldw
This guy's a literally who anyway, most likely trying to get popular dickriding SFV like countless other youtube people.
>>340889216
No that's just regular ol' network lag.
Input lag only affects you and essentially means a lot of moves have become unreactable or much harder to punish.
Capcoms decision to sell their souls to Sony is only going to bite them in the ass in the long run. Now they're going to be forced to make even more concessions with their franchises and lose out on profit to both Sony and in general because of more console exclusivity and in return only get what basically amounts to their big loud asshole promotional schemes bordering on blatant lying that are starting to get more and more negative feedback in Japan and now abroad too. Same situation likely goes for anybody that has signed onto Sony's marketing machine in the last couple years.
People thought Capcom's franchises were getting milked and exploited into the ground before the team up with Sony, but just wait.
>>340889871
I'm trying to remember the last thing Sony did that hasn't been a huge backfire PR wise and the only thing that comes to mind is seizing on Xbox One's even douchier PR fiasco. Flash forward a few years though and they aren't looking much different
>>340889871
>we japanese stick together gaijin, we will bring down the vest. and dont forget the bombing of hiroshima
>>340888230
Nash's dash grab is also a special case because not only is it one of the fastest dashes in the game in terms of overall frames but you dont actually see him start moving till halfway through the dash his dash.
>>340887424
>, PC player can have frame advantage
Not how it works. Input delay has no effect on online play. A PC player with Vsync off would be able to react to things better than a PS4 player but that doesn't effect rollback.
>>340888118
afaik the input lag is the same online even for pc players.
>>340889216
baka desu senpai
just guess
See this, exlpains everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap369ES-6Xw
>>340887921
You should be reacting to the dash, not the throw. If you can't tech that, it is because you are 20 or so frames slow, not because Nash has an advantage. Nash can be thrown out of everything so its not like you need to worry about a DP coming, there is no mixup. Just tech.
>Capcom decided, for whatever reason, to give the game a universal 8 frame delay.
They said they are looking into it and made it seem unintentional. If this is the case, they are truly retarded. I am leaning on the fact that they knew it was in the game but didn't think it would be a big deal. Considering Skullgirls intentionally has very low lag, it is clear they thought it was a big enough issue. I can't for the life of me understand why Capcom thought it was acceptable for the biggest fighting game franchise of all time.
>>340891685
by default, but pc players can turn off vsync in the ini.
don't really like the game, but it plays a lot better without the extra underwater frames
>>340892485
capcom dropped the ball so hard with this game.
There's a high chance we won't ever have a season 2.
>>340893818
Nah, we'll all be playing sf5 4 or 5 years from now. Until sf6 comes out.
>>340894365
Maybe but a lot of interest in the game has died down stream views are down in general if KoF or Tekken 7 make a big enough splash Sf5 might wind up being pretty dead outside the pro scene.
>>340893818
Even though they said they wouldn't, Capcom will probably do a Look It's Actually a Complete Game Now version with all the DLC characters before too long.
Otherwise I don't think they'll keep throwing money at tournaments.
>>340894740
I understand that matters to a lot of people, but as long as I can find a reasonably quick game, that's my definition of a game being alive or dead.
>>340896314
Im east coast searching 5 bar only and it takes me at least a few minutes to find a match game is pretty boring when i can only play 3-4 sets in an hour.
Trying to find a 5 bar connection in a battle lobby is almost impossible too either I end up kicking people for 20 minutes trying to get a good match or I find one and the dude leaves after a set or two.
>>340896314
>5 minutes between matches
>Reasonably quick
>>340897541
I usually get a match within a couple minutes. Granted I haven't played in a few weeks so maybe it's worse now.
>>340897434
I'm more of a battle lounge guy myself, and it might take me up to 5 or so minutes to find a decent lobby, but then I can usually sit there for 30-40 minutes.
Moves take 8 frames to happen on screen after you have input them. Makes it ridiculously hard to react to shit.
For example, Birdie's EX Bull Revenger (Dolphin grab) has 25 frames of startup. This 8 frame delay means that you really only have 17 frames to jump or stuff it, which is less than the average human reaction time to visual stimulus.
>>340886483
Both versions have 8 frames of input lag.
You can go into one of the ini files on the PC version and disable stuff to lower the input delay.
This is not something you can do by changing ingame settings.
Reminder that 8 frames of input delay removes footsies and strategy from the game and basically turns it into a mashing slugfest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBEVIDwge0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwalITH_cGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap369ES-6Xw
How many times have you made this thread?
>>340886483
>8 frames ps4
>4 frames PC
If you doubled that you'd be close.
>>340900835
So you're saying it's DOA with less cute girls?
Should I just give Team Ninja my money instead?
>>340902751
Maybe its just me but I never understood why jabs are so good, I obivously suck at fightan but lights are bascially the only normals I never touch except on rare occasions
Is this a really bad thing? I feel dirty even pressing jab once or twice in a match because its so braindead
playing pic related mostly
>>340904064
You can't win in DoA by mashing. So no.
>why 8 frames is retarded?
See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBEVIDwge0
>>340904064
SF girls are better looking desu.
Same copypasta shitposting in every SF thread. KoF shills in action.
Reminder 8 frames of lag is playing a FPS with 150ms ping, offline.
>>340904442
No SFV is retarded.
Most of the time mashing jab is a fairly low risk method of getting out of pressure, it'll beat most tick mixups and resets.
>But muh crush counter
Barely anyone can frametrap with a CC button.
Trust me, bros. *8 frames* is not why you're losing.
Get fucking good.
No johns.
Funny how this thread keeps getting bumped just before page 10. How tragic to have a grudge against a competing fighting game like this.
>>340909924
If you're getting jabbed out of your mixups, you hav shit timing or a shit mixup.
>>340910496
>saying a shitty game is shit means you have a grudge
love this hot new meme
coupled with nash dash animation it makes it completely broken, fuck this shit capcom, change the animation
>>340910209
What if I'm not losing?
>>340910576
It fucks over a lot of grapplers because 5f command grabs and shit grab ranges.
It's part of why Mika's so strong, she's got ridiculous + normals, and great throw range which leads her back into more mixups.
Majority of overheads are downright useless because of how good mashing jab is.
You guys are so fucking bad. Blaming the game instead of your own faults. No wonder you guys fucking blow. You will never be good at fighting games with such an attitude.
>>340912064
>You guys are so fucking bad.
So is SFV.
>>340892441
Whenever I see someone talk about fighting games, I instantly discard their opinion when they bring up skullgrills.
>>340905418
What makes you think it's KoF shills? No one even mentioned it until you brought it up. They're not to blame if capcom shits the bed. Or are you insecure about SFV?
>>340912045
>It fucks over a lot of grapplers because 5f command grabs and shit grab ranges.
>It's part of why Mika's so strong, she's got ridiculous + normals, and great throw range which leads her back into more mixups.
You know Mika is a grappler? Her throws are 5f too. You are fucking losing, don't try to save face on an anonymous forum.
>>340912064
sf5 is a shit game
>>340912776
Do you have dyslexia or something?
>there are people who still actively give a shit about the blunder than is SFV
Revelator is out and KoFXIV is near.
>>340914268
They don't play even remotely similarly. Anime plays very differently from SF and KoF plays differently than either. It's like saying "why play counterstrike when overwatch is out" they're not even close to the same game.
>handwaving all criticisms with some variant of "adapt"
Why is this allowed?
>>340914682
Why play SFV when KI is out?
>>340914268
No you don't nigger. I personally prefer KoF to SF, but you're not bringing them or GG into this. Let people who like SF care about SFV. They play way differently anyways.
>y-youre just bad!
I'm going make a game where hammer nails into your hands and when people talk shit about the mechanics not being good I'll just accuse them of being bad. Saying that a game has flaws in it doesn't mean you're saying it's not fair or can't be competitive, having a base delay of 8 frames objectively changes how people play the game and people don't like that play style.
>>340914268
I don't see the appeal in anime fighters. KOF might be good but it's a poor man's taste.
>>340915023
KI is the worst fighting game ever made. Even Injustice has better animations.
Dumb question: If I input dp, will it come out 24 frames late because it's 3 inputs (f, d, df+P)?
>>340915023
why play tetris when solitaire is out.
>>340916015
Oh I see you haven't played KI.
It plays very similar to SF neutral and has a high focus on grounded footsies and anti airs, much like the good SF games.
>KOF is a poor man's taste
I dont even know what this is meant to mean but it's not valid criticism.
>>340916107
are you retarded
baka desu senpai
>>340916107
The game doesn't notice the f until the 8 frames have passed, it should come out like 1-3 frames later, however long it takes for the game to recognize the rest of the inputs. So at worst it's 11 frames before the DP actually starts on the 12 frame, or something like that.
>>340917167
please don't bully anime posters
>>340912064
>Game has 8 frames of input delay
>y-y-your just b-bad >:'(
>>340886483
>everytime capcom gives sony an exclusive it goes badly
Remember how shitty SFxT was at launch compared to the xbox version? All the ps3 exclusive characters had infinites.
>>340916015
nah KI is good
>>340921943
SFV should be low tier. There's no factor that puts KI at high tier.
has anyone itt ever topped locals
>>340922298
Try actually playing it.
>>340922450
>Locals
Literally who gives a shit
>>340922565
The point is that no one in this thread has any SF credibility. /v/ needs to stop talking about fighting games.
>>340921943
>that shitty JJBA game
>high tier
>Third Strike top tier
>>340923110
cry more, bitch faggot
>>340923110
>Winning locals gives you credibility
>>340923227
You sure you're not confusing Heritage for the Future and All Star Battle
>>340923227
Thats the 1999 Capcom game you underage faggot.
>>340923110
>muh merit
>>340921943
Pretty good list man.
>>340923227
>3S
>Not top tier
Here's your (you)
>>340923696
yeah, it's pretty shitty, only has fanservice value
>>340923824
>Whiff Buttons for Meter Fighter 3: Air Parry Edition
>Good
>>340921943
>Skull girls high tier
>no melty, virtua fighter 5 fs or tekken 5
Man who ever made this list sure knows his fighting game history.
>>340923978
>Crying about "air parry"
MY FUCKING SIDES!!!
>>340924447
>DR
Tekken was a mistake I'm blind. Still shit list.
Furry Instinct is shit. Beware the MS shill.
>>340924447
Tekken 5 is right there you underage faggot
does anyone know how many frames of input lag IV had on 360? for comparison.
>>340924447
>le skullgurls is bad meme XD
>>340921943
>UMVC3 High Tier
>Mortal Kombat in Mid Tier
>SFxTekken NOT in Trash Tier
U WOT M8
where were you when a shitty football casualfag game got a story mode and street fighter still doesn't have one
>>340925148
Buttmand MK baby detected
>>340924916
USF4 had about ~4 frames of lag on Xbox. It's really between 3 and 4 frames but I don't remember the exact millisecond. SF5 has around double that amount on PS4, but on PC it's the same as USF4.
It's funny because this whole 8 frames nonsense wouldn't be an issue if people just played on PC, but I guess Capcom gets Sony money for the game being "exclusive"
>>340924736
Air parry is a very real, very retarded mechanic.
>>340924821
Dude that meme is never gonna catch on.
>>340926138
Nah, you are just shit at the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAUP4DC2MzM
>>340926614
BTFO
T
F
O
>>340912045
>Overhead useless
Tell that to Ryu
>>340925708
so you must hate the dlc in SFV too
Why are you so mentally weak /v/?
https://twitter.com/HelloKittyRicki/status/741917542470451200
>>340926614
I'm aware of how air parry works and why it's stupid.
If you see nothing wrong with a situation in which your opponent and you jump at each other 3 times in a row and then throw tech because you're both doing parry OS jumpins then there's something wrong with you.
Turning jumpins into a guessing game is not Street Fighter, it goes against one of the fundamental rules of SF: jumping is a risk.
>>340927410
Don't reply to yourself, it's embarrassing.
>>340891631
PC MASTER RACE WINS AGAIN
>>340928545
This twit shows us that women in general are quicker to adapt, and you know she's right and she let it pretty clear in a very feminine way thb
>>340928785
>it goes against one of the fundamental rules of SF: jumping is a risk
Are you fucking retarded?
Are you seriously trying to imply jumping has no risk in 3S?
Holy fucking shit, do you have brain damage or something?
>>340929116
Oh it's you again.
Any time someone brings up how parries are retarded you just keep linking the Juicebox video as if it somehow makes them not stupid because you can't actually rebuke anyone's arguments.
>>340929365
Unless your opponent has an unparryable AA yeah, there's no risk.
Even anime games understand this and give you air unblockables.
>>340928785
>This desperate attempt at damage control while ignoring the video that completely BTFO'd him
What did she mean by this?
https://twitter.com/HelloKittyRicki/status/742078875488813056
>>340929652
>Unless your opponent has an unparryable AA yeah, there's no risk.
>there's no risk
MY
FUCKING
SIDES
>>340929930
"Jump ins in third strike are a mixup scenario...."
>>340929652
>>340930154
That her sausage ain't halal and Rashid shouldn't be tournament legal
>>340929652
This has to be bait... no one is this retarded...
>>340920214
everybody was more pissed how DLC was on the disc stuck behind a paywall
>>340930467
>>340930179
>>340930714
>Risky jump ins
>When you can just parry OS your normals
>Thus scaring your opponent into not anti airing
>Allowing you to jump in for free
Same SFV shitposting with the same OP image and copypasta replies. This isn't a coincidence. This is orchestrated smear tactics.
Notice also how often the thread gets subtly phonebumped from page 10.
>>340931074
Furry Instinct shills are mad their irrelevant game is dead. Also notice the grudge against Sony ITT.
>>340931046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAUP4DC2MzM
Git gud
>>340931290
>KOF shills
>Microsoft shills
When's Arksys shills
>>340931046
>parry OS your normals
Every time
Why are morons replying to a buttmad MS shill upset nobody gives a shit about KI? He's been posting this trash ever since KI died months ago.
Still a better game than Furry Instinct.
>>340931046
Its pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about and have probably never even played 3S.
>>340931684
If you're too shit to OS your normals that's fine but it's a very real and very good thing to do, it's got no downsides.
Mostly just that a meme. Would be nice if they could at least address it. Even if it's just a fuck you deal with it.
>>340930154
read one of the replies
>he doesn't have to be religious for his homophobic views to be fueled by religion
>>340931979
Quit samefagging
>>340932132
>OS your normals
>people whine about something they see as wrong with the game
>It's KoF shills
>It's KI shills
>it's microsoft shills
>shills shills shills shills
>>340932778
I know it's you because you always use the same 7 or so reaction images.
Learn what an OS is, and then realise that parry OSing your normals is one of the simplest OSes of all time.
This is your last (You)
>>340886483
The input delay is the same online regardless. No point in turning off Vsync if you play online.
>>340932132
Post your Fightcade ID
>>340933036
What do you think of KI?
>>340916107
No.
Frame 1: f
Frame 2: d
Frame 3: df
Frame 9: f is detected
Frame 10: d is detected
Frame 11: df is detected
Keep in mind that a frame is 1/60 of a second.
>>340933042
>OSing your normals
>>340933245
Never even played it. I don't care for it, but if people like it or hate it, that's their thing.
>>340905418
I love KOF but there's a lot of questionable issues with SFV. I enjoy it but the game still feels like it needs a lot of polish.
Also the intentional frame decision feels like Sony demanded watering down of the gameplay
>>340906849
more like 133 but yeah still fucking horrible.
