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Can someone explain the Twitch phenomenon? Why do people want to watch these talent-less people stream games? I can understand watching fightan tournaments, but why do people care about the everyday streamer?
>>338413240
some of them are talented, I've watched those super mario 64 speedrunners a few times its pretty impressive
some people like to get a look at gameplay of new games
some people are lonely and are drawn to a channel and streamer for a sense of community i guess
>>338413240
Like >>338414181 hinted at
Twitch streamers and Jewtube let's players are filling social voids in many lonely lives. It's especially sad when people pay real currency to get a single moment of their internet senpai's attention via donation shoutout
>>338413240
it's easier and cheaper than actually playing games yourself, though probably more time consuming.
For most braindeads, it's easy mode social interaction, a chance to be part of something popular with minimal effort. Streamers benefit in channel growth and money by faking a token level of friendship and niceness with viewers that chat/follow/subscribe, and people who are unfulfilled in their social lives(or marriages - check out streams where a physically attractive guy is streaming anything and being overtly friendly) eat this up. You can especially see this effect when people donate/subscribe to a channel and then get this warped idea that they now have some sort of higher standing in channel, but have a closer friendship to the streamer and deserve to have the voice heard/responded to. Mental illness.
Many popular variety streamers are without talent, skill, or even genuine passion for what they're playing as the flavor of the month. Maybe part of the allure is, people see themselves in the streamer and think they belong? They don't see high skill and therefore aren't somehow threatened, perhaps.
>>338413240
>watching Twitch for video games
Are you retarded or something? I watch Twitch streamers because I think they're entertaining. I don't even play video games lol
>>338413240
I watch Twitch for Bob Ross.
>>338413240
I don't think most people watch a stream like they watch a movie. Watching someone play a video game doesn't demand your full attention. Twitch is best used as background noise. Tune in to somebody playing a game you've never seen before and have that playing on your second monitor while you do whatever you're doing.
>>338413240
If it make you feel better i don't ever watch twitch besides pro tournaments and sometimes Broteam
>>338413240
I only watch Saltybet desu.
>>338416558
Who are some "entertaining" streamers?
>>338413240
Most of the time the person is funny or entertaining in some fashion.
Online games can also be made more interesting when there are a dozen stream snipers mic-spamming and trying to kill the streamer.
Kaceytron
>>338413240
lonely losers
>>338417151
meant for
>>338417074
>>338414612
>>338416432
I think you're overlooking the situation. People don't watch streams because of that reason at all, so what you're saying is complete nonsense. People watch streams because it's interesting and entertaining, and that's all.
>>338417151
>>338418616
Most people don't sub to Kaceytron just to look at a bit of cleavage though unlike LegendaryLabia
>>338418616
>mfw it took a literal flash of her vagina to get a slap on the wrist
>>338419194
sauce?
>>338420112
You barely see anything
http://oddshot.tv/shot/legendarylea-201604253335960
>>338413240
>look at the WoW section
>hear about this faggot called Mitch
>click his stream
>he's a dumb manchild who overuses words like "bro", "dawg" and "ya'll"
>he cries to some guy on Skype about his "girl problems"
>mentions this one girl
>check her stream because it's on
>some dumb blondie and as expected people mention this Mitch faggot
And then there are retards like Sodapoppin and his gold digging gf.
The worst thing about all this is that streamers like this are endorsed by Twitch because they bring in viewers.
It's probably much like how unfunny comedians can still manage to turn a buck in this day and age.
>>338418616
>gets a slap on the wrist and not permabanned for showing snatch and other stupid shit
>other low view streamers get permabanned for petty shit
i guess the higher ups get twitch more money
>>338413240
Watching video games is easier and cheaper. It also makes autists and manchildren feel like they have friends.
>>338420673
Obviously?
Like 90% of the rules don't apply to you if you get them viewers. Like the no vidya gaming content or no prerecorded shit
>>338420673
When i was trying to get into streaming, my stream somehow turned itself on without me knowing. I ended up streaming for around 24 hours before realizing and in that time i streamed about 10 episodes of game of thrones and 20 minutes of hardcore pornography. I only got banned for 24 hours for copyright content....no idea that shit works i guess my stream only ever attracted 15~ viewers at best.
>>338420521
Yea that's what I don't get, it's like a MySpace-lite. A cult of personality forms around people with seemingly nothing interesting about them. You can find videos with millions of views about "youtube drama" or "twitch drama", when it's really just average highschool BS blown up onto a giant stage. Who cares? What's the appeal?
>>338413240
Watching people who just stream without doing anything "special"? No. never really understood those.
Competitive and speedun games, I can see. I watch some from time to time. Streamers who go in to survival games and do ridiculous RP related shit can be entertaining. That's about it though.
>>338413240
The problem is not that people are willing to watch them, but rather that people are willing to PAY for free entertainment
>>338422976
this. its also fuckin sad that they call this a job
the entitlement of some of these streamers. some who i forgot the name, came out like that shit. always sayin to use their amazon link, using fuckin ads, tellin everyone to use greenman gaming, subscribe for "perks" (which is fucking sub mode or dumb fuckin emotes) and donate so they can get a message on the screen and 5 seconds of attention
>>338422976
But many of those people wouldn't bother streaming 5-7 times a week for several hours if they didn't make their living on it. So basically it's people directly funding something that they want to watch.
>>338423123
>its also fuckin sad that they call this a job
I've never understood retards who say this when referring to YT or Twitch people. It is a job. This isn't even debatable. It fits the definition of the word perfectly. The fact that you're butthurt doesn't change the definitions of words.
I only watch "special" streams: tournaments, speedrunds and such.
No way I'm ever going to watch normal playthroughs.
The game changes when you go from person streaming as a hobby to person trying to make a living streaming. You start out building a community around your channel, and then if that times comes where you make the leap into making it your job, extort them for all you can. That's just how it is.
>>338423512
>i sold my soul to act like a faggot for money
>>338423673
As if losing your integrity is required to be successful
Even if it was it would still be a job
>>338423312
There are guys who pretty much stream more-or-less daily even though they have a 'normal' job.
However, those who believe that they can make their living on streaming suffer from unwarranted self importance where they think that they should be allowed to just play vidya everyday and make a living off doing that, earning slightly less or more than what the average wage could be. And they set their "sub perks" and stuff so that they have some cringyworthy 'group name' and greeting like "Hoy, welcum 2 da Wolfpack! Sub hoyperino!". Then they also believe that whatever horseshit they may spout out of their ugly mug is cospel and ultimate truth that can't be denied by anyone.
>>338423865
You seem to hate one of the few entertaining people in twitch, who does more than "play" the games
>>338423865
>However, those who believe that they can make their living on streaming suffer from unwarranted self importance where they think that they should be allowed to just play vidya everyday and make a living off doing that, earning slightly less or more than what the average wage could be
1) They don't just believe it, many of them do it
2) Most of them didn't start streaming with the intention of making it their full-time job but it evolved that way when they got popular
3) Many of them earn hundreds of thousands per year, much more than the average wage
Now I agree that a lot of popular streamers are cancerous hacks, but you sound incredibly bitter.
vinesauce is ok
>>338420741
There is nothing with that. People watch streams because it's interesting and entertaining and nothing more. So you're opinions are retarded. And stop being a bully.
>>338423512
I guess some people think that playing video games for a living everyday is a crappy kind of job.
I wish I was a top streamer, people like Lirik, Forsen, Soda make at least hundreds per day only from donations alone, Forsen probably the most. He gets 3$ every few seconds a median annual wage in one month alone from the donations. He also makes 2.5$ for each subscriber, each month, and he has thousands of those as well. I was watching when he and other HS popular streamers sold shirts at the same time and he sold hundreds as well, I wonder how much he got from that..
It triggers me that some people have it so easy, you know, making more money in 2 days than I will make in one month starting,but they have been there for years, they took the train at the right moment and it pays off.
>>338413240
People are living vicariously through these streamers. It's a more relatable hobby than obsessing over celebrities. Even better you can give money to these people and essentially force them to respond to you in some way. And even more exciting than that is the fact that some of these streamers are women.
Twitch has transformed from something that showed off pro players, tournaments, and has become in some cases, a softcore cam site.
>>338426609
>2.5$
Do streamers only get 50% of subscriber money?
>>338426902
>a softcore cam site
They cracked down on the sexual content though. At most girls can show the kind of cleavage you get from a tank top but even things like having your bra showing is not allowed. And any sexual stuff like shaking tits or showing ass or feet are not allowed.
>>338413240
Fucking losers that like hearing other people's voices to feel like they have a friend. Most of the popular streamers are constantly talking non-stop.
>>338427458
That's what a friend told me a long time ago.
>>338427458
I think the biggest streamers get more leeway and can take more of a percentage, but that's the usual number.
i think twitch is great for gaming competition like fighting games and cs:go, but individual streamers with overlays collecting donations and stuff isnt for me
>>338421809
Most of their viewers are teenagers. It's obvious even with less shitty streamers like Lirik. Most of them act like they've just discovered /b/ and man, I wish I had a dollar every time some stupid Eurogay kid from Scandinavia started lecturing everyone about why his country is the best.
>>338417497
There is certainly a extreme to what he said but it isn't inaccurate. If people will watch just for the entertainment and interest, there would clearly not be any traction with making money off subscribing off Twitch streamers. But people do it.
>>338423673
no different than what sales people or any company with a """culture""" do
>>338429346
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Why would people who are watching to be entertained not also be prone to supporting the streamer with money?
>>338426609
>putting the dollar sign after the amount
This is really rustling my autism.
>>338413240
I like Chance, he's funny and unironically charismatic dude. Plus with """"games"""" like Uncharted 4/Firewatch/other shit it's much more enjoyable to watch him playthrough them than wasting my dollars and play alone.
>>338426609
I think 1g man makes around a mil a year.
>>338427458
Probably, but it's still a lot given the sheer volume of subscribers. Even without donations they rake in a fuckload of money for basically doing nothing they weren't doing already.
>>338427861
Stop judging people who have no friends. It's not fair.
Most 'career streamers' are dull as a cardboard box, but now and again you find less-popular eccentric ones who can be amusing with their commentary. I'd never give them any money, but I will leave their stream on in the background for the odd laugh and to break the silence while working.
the only reason to use twitch is for competitions
>>338429346
I guess you got a point. But you can choose not give the streamer money you know.
>>338429576
Is this real? Why did those guys not react at all to him yakking?
>jumped on Arma II mods when they were popular years ago
>built a viewer base of 400-500 trying out the different DayZ mods people brought out
>work forces me to stop streaming for a good while
>DayZ standalone releases
>any traction behind my stream completely destroyed as the field becomes saturated and viewers go elsewhere
Who knows where that could have gone.
>>338430162
nowhere without viewbots
>>338430337
I wonder how many of them use view bots. Just today I saw two streamers, both with ~450k followers but one had 12k viewers other had 1.5k viewers.
>>338429523
I wouldn't be, as a viewer, if I can just get entertainment for free. But if subscriptions weren't advertised and was just a button there by itself, most people wouldn't gift streamers, like most websites that have Paypal donation buttons that do more useful things like actually putting out free software applications that can do a variety of useful things on your computer for you like download your Youtube videos and converting them into audio or whatnot.
So clearly there are other factors in play. And there are, advertisements being the least of it. The streamers will usually try and make his or her subscriptions as much of an exclusive club as possible with benefits to get people to do it. Along with the social factors.
>>338430068
The choice is there. But since so many people do it to the point that Twitch has a viable business model off it and got brought by Amazon, there are clearly more than meets the eye to the whole thing.
I live with someone who is big time into streaming, so let me try to explain it.
People who stream are attention whores. Most of them stream to try and make it big, gets lots of money playing video games and live an easy life. It helps that they absolutely love themselves and love the attention it brings.
People who watch streams mostly fall into two categories.
The first is people who are just looking for people to play with. They'll go into streams of games they want to play and ask people if they want to play. They're not really there to watch, just to play (which is why a lot of streamers make it so if you want to play with them you have to be watching them). These people are almost always dudebros playing games like COD or FIFA.
The second group is people who either can't or don't play games. This is pretty self explanatory, but they watch games because they want to experience it but cannot do so first hand.
And that is basically how twitch works.
>>338427796
look up JennytheSquirrel, she's playing right at the edge, and you know most people in those kinds of streams are there for the sexual element even if it's subdued.
>>338413240
>streamer calls himself "content creator" when he's literally just an e-beggar
I can't wait for this fad to end and see most of this retards fail in real life because they wasted all their time in their pathetic streaming bubble.
>>338430646
>I wouldn't be, as a viewer, if I can just get entertainment for free.
But if we're talking about a streamer who puts in tens of hours of work a week into their streaming the only reason that's happening is because people are paying them enough to have the time and incentive to do it. So then it becomes a question of how much is the entertainment you're getting worth to you.
Of course there are other factors at play to incentivize people to subscribe but "I want this stream to keep going" is a big part of it.
>>338431105
this explains why i watch professional dota 2, actually.
fuck playing that game, moderately fun to watch at a professional level.
ITT: people jealous they can't be entertaining while playing vidya and get paid for it
>>338431172
>can't watch her VODs without subscribing
What a greedy cunt.
>>338431105
I think that's one of the more amusing things about it really. Everybody wants to make it big. People like Lirik already started with a strong base because he was a moderator in Towellie's chat. Nowadays you see so many people starting off with no audience or foundation, buying themselves these kitted out computers with a professional microphone, throwing bells and whistles up on their stream and more frustratingly a donation button down below. It doesn't work that way at all.
>>338431257
>>streamer calls himself "content creator"
This shit pisses me off so much. These assholes don't create anything - they just make noises in front of a camera while playing a game badly and people throw money at them. I can't even begin to understand the autism involved in actually subscribing to a stream, which gives you nothing more than either access to a chat that's best left minimized, or some faggy emotes to spam in said chat, or donating money to them.
I won't act like some of them aren't entertaining sometimes but god damn only a serious fucking retard would actually pay these people.
>>338431321
You obviously have to care to some extent to want to donate for that reason.
But just on a personal level, since you quoted my opinion, I have a ton of ways to burn my time, and if I had to pay for Twitch, I would just not watch and do something else.
>>338431321
I'm not that anon but I agree with him. While your reasoning is sound, I think there is a large portion of people on Twitch who try to gain recognition through shoutouts, donations, and subscriptions. It's like a free to play game; most people don't pay at all, the few who do pay make up a gross majority of the total number of people who do donate and subscribe. A big part of me feels like this is due to social circumstance, not necisarily charity.
>>338413240
Lack of IRL friends, 0 socials skills, access to parents credit card. The saddest part is a lot of people who donate and chat think they're "friends" with the streamer. Most streamers realize this and maximize their income by taking advantage of lonely retards.
>>338431638
Yeah, the guy I live with bought a bunch of shit just so he could stream. He acts like it's his fucking profession and he's making a living off of it.
He gets maybe 10 viewers tops, half or more are moderators he's basically pressuring into watching him.
>>338431683
What's autistic about it? I'm subscribed to a stream because I get 20 hours of entertainment out of it per week. And I enjoy the stream more than 90% of the TV shows I watch. 5 bucks a month is basically nothing anyway, it's the price of a big frozen pizza.
>>338431257
The majority of them fall back into obscurity after a few years. I fucking love seeing youtubers or other Shit-Tier "ecelebs" who thought they were hot shit and developed an elitist attitude towards the people around them only to fall. There was a league of legends boobie streamer who recently quit and she admitted in a youtube video how shitty she felt being a glorified hussy begging for tips with her tits out.
>>338431823
That's kinda sad. I can see wanting to build a PC for your own benefit but going out of your way to make a stream machine and then no one actually watching your stream is pathetic. It's like that episode of Ed Edd and Eddy where they kept getting into the fads too late.
>>338431683
PJSalt
you watch for the personality, the game they're playing is mostly irrelevant.
and then you watch esports shit, if your that way inclined because you want to see high tier play
>>338432343
His PC isn't even that good (it's my old PC). But he went and bought shit like a capture card, a new webcam, microphone, headphones and so on. I'd estimate he's spent at the least $800, excluding games he buys literally based on their "streamability". He's not even made 10% of that back in donations.
>>338413240
People like people OP. They just happen to play videogames while streaming themselves doing it. The only thing that's hard is building an audience since you have to be a little entertaining, since Twitch no longer allows cancer streams like they did in the very early days, mostly a runover from Justin.tv.
>>338413240
Ooops $200 dollars of mom's creddit card. when you see gamer girl streams these are who donate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgp3N1VmBdk
>>338413240
I watch some tournaments/pro players of online games I play to learn stuff.
I don't see why people watch some casual streamers though. There's way better gaming related content on youtube without people filling the screen with donations and whoring themselves out for subs.
>>338426609
If it makes you feel any better, I hear the taxes for this kind of "job" are brutal, at least in the USA.
>Some autistic children don't play videogames, they like to watch other people playing videogames instead
>Ecelebrities playing unreleased games
>tits streamers/twitch attention whores
>muh e-sports
>autistic AssFaggots/moba players
Basically that and tournaments
>>338433106
Is that a man?
I don't get it either but I kind of enjoy doing the streaming because I'm a narcissist
>>338433184
Might be Michael Jackson.
>>338433184
Don't you want some of that boipucci?
>>338413240
It literally replaced cable for me.
I work in the same building as the Twitch people. I can't believe such a small operation is becoming the Netflix of the generation.
>>338433560
No, that's gay.
>>338413240
why do people spam twitch chat? your message is never seen and it is just constant scrolling
The high viewer Hearthstone streams are the most cancerous thing I've ever seen
Pseudo-friendship
>>338433893
They're teenagers and use memes to feel like they're part of something. The more they spam their "inside" jokes the more they feel like they belong, even to the extent that they ruin the chat.
>>338434150
Sounds exactly like 4chan/Reddit/FunnyJunk
>>338432325
>The majority of them fall back into obscurity after a few years.
That reminds me of how all the YouTube guys I used to watch back in 2008 have pretty much disappeared, or have almost no viewers these days.
>>338413240
Speedruns are fun
In a nutshell, it's the online equivalent of going over to your m8's house and chilling out while he plays games.
>>338434453
The difference is that on 4chan, unless you're a tripfag, you're anonymous. Which means you understand to a certain extent that what you post doesn't matter and you're not doing it for an online persona. Non anonymous communities are usually worse because people try to act cool and they devolve into shitty cliques.
>>338430646
The I guess you're right, there are too many people who donate their money to the streamer that the people who don't doesn't matter anyway.
>>338434453
it IS 4chan/reddit/etc.
they have their own community and their own memes
i had to look up what kappa meant in Twitch context and im still not even sure about how it originated.
>>338434493
I think a few might have made it into actual film industry jobs, but so many others tried to cash out quick and fucking failed miserably. I love it. Giving people success and fame overnight is the easiest way to ruin them.
real friends are too much work. obligations and all that bullshit.
fake friends are much easier.
>>338434713
It predates Twitch. It's some faggot from Justin.tv who had his own emoticon. People thought it looked sarcastic/smug or whatever so they started using it like that.
>>338434737
I remember two guys I used to watch, Armake21 and Cloud8745, who were quite popular back in the day, but they destroyed themselves with Internet drama and making new YouTube channels over and over.
>>338432325
holy shit, she makes it sound like she was actually sucking dick or prostitute shit
>>338434713
>im still not even sure about how it originated.
The Kappa emote is one of the old JustinTV guys, but compressed into 50x50 his expression looks like he's holding back a snicker, so people used to to mark sarcasm or jokes
Like 99% of Twitch culture revolves around the emotes and the meanings ascribed to them are largely self-explanitory, like TriHard and PogChamp are excitement
WutFace is disgust/negative surprise
OneHand is Kappa but not spammed as often
Is anyone doing a Twitch raid?
>>338434930LOL
https://youtu.be/NkgNZ9CTPBc
https://youtu.be/1_PsUsriYiA
>TODAYS SHOCKING STORY- average women with no specific skill set uses cosmetics and lies to manipulate men into supporting her lifestyle! You wont believe the hardship she suffers throughout the process. . .
>>338434957
holy shit, if i ever get big (which i won't because i play shit like Blake Stone) i will ban all fucking emotes
fuck that shit, its fucking annoying
>Tfw thinking of getting into streaming/jewtube
I don't expect to get popular or earn a lot of dosh from it, it would just be a hobby. I've been told by a few randoms in games that I should stream because I have a nice voice. I definitely would never go into facecam shit though, just talking while playing
>>338435275
fuck facecam
the ONLY TIME its acceptable is for a horror game with jump scares because that will cause you to scream
>>338435275
A key is filling practically every moment with chatter. There shouldn't be many moments of silence unless you're absolutely wowing people with your skill in a multiplayer game.
>>338435257
You can just put the emote code into your chat's censor list
I know at least two channels that censor every Kappa variant
>>338435510
>People are still autistic when it comes to webcams
Who the fuck cares as long as it isn't taking up half the screen. If it's just a small area in the bottom corner, it can generally be completely disregarded if you aren't into it.
>>338435275
people who use facecam are the worse.
>>338435257
would watch your stream
>>338416978
Was going to post this
Saltybet is dumb fun
>>338435574
How much chatter should be going on in a story based game though? The game I'm thinking of streaming is super story based, there's almost always someone saying something important to the story. I thought I might as well stream my second playthrough ofQuantum Break. I need to go hard mode and see the other choices
>>338435982
It's called respect the cutscene AKA shut up during those moments.
>>338435982
Don't talk during cutscenes you faggot
>>338436287
>>>/b/
>>338413240
It's basically surrogate social interaction. It's nice to just feel that at any moment of your time, you're surronded by people that care at least a little bit about you. Just human nature, I suppose.
>>338436341
Not what I was exactly looking for ( I probably should have said that I do know what /b/ is)
>>338436341
Anyway, sorry for the dumb comment. ( I have been using 4chan for a couple days though)
>>338436183
>>338436245
Well obviously I'm not gonna talk during the cutscenes. I just meant that in the game while you're doing shit characters are usually talking to each other
>>338436596
Keep subtitles on but try not to talk over them anyway
>>338436640
Fair enough. I'm hoping the live action cut scenes are significantly different when you make the different choices. Too many games give choices that only alter the tiniest detail
>>338420882
>no prerecorded shit
That's a rule? How retarded is Twitch? I know for a fact a lot of shit is a rebroadcast like Capcom Pro Tour rebroadcasts, so that can't possibly be a rule.
>>338433048
It's most likely considered self-employment, so they pay an additional 12% self-employment tax over and above the 30-40% tax rate they'd be paying for salaries >$100k. Brutal
>>338413240
Well, in the most innocent approach possible, it's an easy way to see gameplay. You sometimes need to see gameplay before buying, right?
After that, even if you aren't particularly interested in the gameplay, it's still possible to use it as a screen for work. Whether this is the ase or not, redeeming factors and good reasons to watch someone are:
1) The streamer having a good voice, and being funny/interesting to listen to in matters unrelated to gameplay. This is actualy the deal breaker to most people.
2) The streamer being particularly skilled, and/or having something special to say about the game, perhaps due to having extensive knowledge of game design.
3) The stream chat being a part of a community, making watching it a social event (like fighting game tournaments).
There, that wasn't hard.
>>338431172
Probably at least 50% of the time, her stream is full-screen cam and a tiny gameplay window in the bottom right hand corner. Absolutely ridiculous channel. She's also been soliciting thousands in donations for her 'PTSD recovery', because obviously the best way to recover from PTSD is receiving money from strangers with sexual messages attached
>>338437104
>salaries >$100k
>on Twitch
You would have to be monstrously popular to be making those figures
>>338432325
Who is this boobie streamer you are talking about?
>>338437529
You can probably make that if you have a bit over 1k subs. Kaceytron has about ~900-950 subs and she implied she makes around 70k a year. And she doesn't even have text-to-speech donations or donations for video on her stream.
>>338437529
Right, I was responding in the context of the highest level post about Forsen, Soda, etc. At least for streamers like Forsen, when he's accidentally shown his donation admin page, he's making at least 30k/month alone in donations, not including subs, sponsorship, mechandise. Pic related, it's Forsen's dashboard from 17 Dec last year, so still half the month to go and already $18k.
>>338435475
interesting post
The only streamer I like is ZeroKyos. Everyone else is a try hard, this dude is just chill and does not give a single fuck. He's great.
>>338437858
raihnbowkidz
>>338438201
>Advertising your stream on 4chan of all places
But why?
>>338435234
She makes it seem like Twitch forced her to show off her tits. But, who knows, maybe they did...
>>338413240
Because they give a more reliable impression of how a game plays than Polygon
>>338431776
Is this really true? Because you are like the 5th person who has said the same thing in this thread already.
Most of them are kids with no friends and shit. Twitch streamers are glorified baby-sitters in most cases.
For me mainly esports. Doter is fun to watch.
>>338416558
> I watch Twitch streamers because I think they're entertaining
>>338438773
For some reason people think 4chan is full of retards who you can shill anything to. Everytime a new game comes out we get nonstop obvious marketers because of this.
Also it's easy to anonymously shill here, no account required, and because of this you can samefag a thread and no one can prove it
>>338439507
Yeah, what a shocker. I should have added a disclaimer that I don't think most Twitch streamers are entertaining. Most are trash. It's kind of like TV shows in that regard.
>>338434957
Emotes is short for "emotions" so how they're using it makes perfect sense.
I watch my friends' streams, some Street Fighter players like F3alucarD and LI Joe, speed runs, and fighting tournaments.
That's pretty much it. I don't watch standard gameplay if its not from a friend.
>>338439214
If you ask me it sounds like projection
Pretty sure it's just an entertainer/audience relationship, but the nature of the medium does lend a certain intimacy that can't be achieved otherwise
>>338416432
>by faking a token level of friendship and niceness with viewers
Look he's a total sellout and a shill, but Maxamillian is a genuinely nice guy.
>>338439508
We all know it's that Anonymous retard, fuck that guy.
>>338435475
lurk moar newfag
millenials that are too stupid to actually play games and want to act like they have 'friends'
>>338439508
>you can samefag a thread and no one can prove it
Once upon a time there was a way to verify samefags but I think everyone forgot how, myself included
The poster count on threads helps though
>>338413240
It's basically a paid friend service. First the you know who took the ability to make friends like a normal person from you, by doing various things that I can explain but don't matter right now, and then they repackaged it and resold it to you at a markup. You get the illusion of having friends while being brainwashed and marketed to, and your fake friend gets paid handsomely for the service of being an intermediary between the you know who and your mind.
>>338436287
>>338436573
>>338436486
See: >>338440203
>>338440241
>I'll just blame everything I don't like on the generation starting with the early '80s when I'm clearly intending to refer to children
>>338416978
I'm subbed to SB. I refuse to let it die.
>>338440367
i know the truth hurts, let it out
Twitch is for speedruns, tourneys and Saltybet
>>338440241
>i'm a miserable only child
you guys are always so salty as shit when seeing others enjoying things.
>>338438276
thanks.
>>338413240
>Can someone explain the Twitch phenomenon?
Beats me.
One thing I have noticed on Twitch tho: If person A says something and person B gets salty/offended, then twitch thinks it's always person A's fault for being offensive.
Never person B's fault for being too easily offended
Never "not a fault at all" because being offended/salty isn't a bad thing, it's step 1 of gitting gud.
Never just a thing that happens and, regardless of whose fault or not, just dropping the issue rather than escalating it
As a result, Twitch becomes a "ban what hurts my feelings" hugbox.
>>338426609
There's nothing really stopping you from doing it yourself. No guarantee you'll be successful, but it never was for the rest of them either.
>>338434693
same shit happens here want proof got to /pol/ and say somthing bad about the donald.
>>338440041
That could be true then...
>>338413240
I somewhat agree OP, the vast majority of it is utter shit, however, I like it when developers play their games over twitch as a sort of demo of the game, and I enjoy it when they twich stream some larger event I couldn't make it to so that even if I can't show up at let's say, Pax East, I can watch portions of it.
But other than that, the vast majority of Twitch is garbage.
the best streamers are the ones who invite the chat to play with them in multiplayer.
>>338440424
If it was it would be beyond dead.
I don't understand any of this Twitch thing, at all, not even kidding.
Becoming old is fucking scary.
>>338413240
I was under the assumption that Twitch was more or less a group/friend simulator where you get the opportunity to pal it up with semi famous people for only some spare change in your pocket. Also seeing those channels with the 18k+ viewers makes me wonder just how far this will go before it starts to equal mainstream cable and television in terms of viewership.
>>338440278
>your fake friend gets paid handsomely
You really think Twitch streamers get paid well?
Ad revenue is an absolute pittance, and subscriber revenue on Twitch is a flat $2.50 a month per subscriber
For most streamers, the lion's share of their revenue is in donations.
They are not being employed by "you know who," it isn't a conspiracy where they're living a high-class life.
Outside of the select few who hit it big, every single person doing Twitch or YouTube for a living are pretty much just scraping by.
>>338440996
Do they get taxed on this shit?
losers want to feel like they belong
giving money to strangers is one way to do it i guess
i just shitpost on 4chan, its cheaper and i get the same effect
>>338440991
That isn't what it is at all. It's free entertainment with some entertaining people you wouldn't realize existed without it. I watch Summit1G and LIRIK more than I've watched cable tv in my lifetime.
>>338440409
I'm saying you're using it wrong.
Unless you're a 40-something who's already bitter about everyone younger than yourself
>>338431257
I hate when streamers use that word.
Like them or not, people like JonTron, Dunkey, and TeamFourStar ARE content creators. They actually make shit with the footage they have, they don't just show unedited playing with commentary.
>>338441072
Only if they claim it.
I randomly send the IRS screenshots of large "donations" of streamers, their URL, and any information I can connect to their personality.
:^) I can't imagine how much fun they will have with the IRS.
>>338431321
>the only reason that's happening is because people are paying them enough to have the time and incentive to do it.
Not always. I ahve streamed almost every day for the past 6-7 years and have never earned a dime off it. I do it just because I like doing it, and I like talking with my friends while playing.
>>338441089
Did I strike a nerve or something here friend?
>>338441226
so edgy
>>338413240
Can someone explain the 4chan phenomenon? Why do people want to chat with these talent-less people about games? I can understand reading gaming news, but why do people care about the everyday gamer?
>>338441089
>dismissing good fiction storytelling on tv
Literally
>Im proud to be a pleb
the post
>>338441318
Funposting, it was always about the funposting.
I dont even get the popular streamers. They clearly have the most rotten personality "woe is me" attitude.
>>338441072
Yes.
And if it's their primary source of income, they get taxed extra for self-employment.
>Be female.
>Look halfway decent.
>Pretend to be SJW.
>Rake in views and donations.
>Never have to work again.
>>338441313
Its not edgy if the faggots don't claim their income on their taxes.
I'm not paying taxes on my measly 40k a year if some faggot streamer is evading taxes by pocketing 70k+ from various donation sources (paypal, indiegogo, patreon, etc).
>>338441367
You do know downloading shows and Hulu/Netflix exist now right? Probably 90% that watch the shows you talk about actually pay for cable.
>>338441226
>>338441445
I always wondered how that worked legally, I mean the whole "I work streaming videogames/making yt lets play" and receiving money from multiple sources, many times with "donation" as a concept.
How about when you're not even American?
>>338441445
>evading
It isn't evasion if it would never be taxed in the first place
>Was playing xbox with friends a week ago
>We end up joining his friends party
>There's a grill in there streaming
>Her two beta friends who are literally in the chat with us donate as soon as she sets a donation goal
>Between the two of them they donate $160
>Only other donation is one random guy giving a buck
>Guy who donated $50 later tries saying that the girl is actually really into him after she gets offline
Donaters are full blown cucks
>>338441441
>Be female.
>Look halfway decent.
>Still haven't managed to break it after 6 years of trying
>>338434493
I'm amazed that all the people that started the same time as TB (Jesse Cox, Crendor, etc) are still around. It's like starting your channel's content with WoW is some secret to never dying, no matter how much you change.
Even if Crendor basically uploads nothing but trying out experimental (read: competitively terrible but fun) Hearthstone decks and MAYBE Legion beta videos.
>>338441445
And how do you know that? They could be all green. So yes you are edgy and bitter you are the hero the IRS needs
>>338441610
It's complicated with overseas streamers but I think they do encounter American taxes because Twitch is an American company.
>>338441367
Name some good shows that are airing that aren't Silicon Valley.
>>338413240
roll call for autists. twitch is secretly supported by various psychiatric establishments around the world to analyze and contain autists.
It's nice background noise when you're playing a game. I've had some really good conversations about games I like and met some really cool people on Twitch.
Just like everything else though, avoid big streams. They're lowest common denominator meme spew cancer.
>>338441676
completely forgot about her. wonder why she stopped shilling herself here.
>>338441594
Oops I meant 90% of the people that watch the shows don't pay for cable. I'm drunk without drinking anything. Just look at everyone asking for HBO GO accounts whenever a new GoT airs.
>>338441441
>>Pretend to be SJW.
Where are you getting this from?
>>338431571
this
>>338441917
Heart attack probably or her dog finally died
>>338441676
Have you actually been trying to interact with the chat and put up a fake as fuck "bubbly" personality where you act cutesy and talk to the chat by username?
They eat that shit up
>tfw twitch has gotten so popular almost nobody outside of people with big established youtube channels posts gameplay to yotuube
>tfw as somebody interested in history and worries about history moving forward, this is bad because it means less and less videos of and about video games are going to get saved from random joes and the outlook we'll have on how games were received and how people played them will be skewed
>>338441676
Fat
Eskimo
>theres nothing on TV i like watching
>entertainment is subjective
>there are games id rather watch than play (ex: hearthstone, mobas, csgo)
>i dont own the game or the console for it and i know i probably wont
>wan't something to hear in the backround when im playing certain video games
>inb4 "neo-/v/" or "millenial"
>>338441610
>How about when you're not even American?
You can't really do it legally in most countries unless you incorporate and pay a shitload of things like your own medical/retirement insurance etc. 99% of people just do it illegally.
>>338416646
Same. The chat is dumb as rocks but it always makes me laugh.
>>338441990
I'm not her brah just letting you know.
>>338441274
that's probably because you're not a twitch partner.
>>338416432
>Streamers benefit by faking a token level of friendship and niceness with viewers that chat/follow/subscribe
Yep, knowing this really sucks.
I mean, why even bother when you've realized that nobody is genuine....
Saltybet going live and doing betting on the matches at evo is the best thing.
>>338442238
t. 8man
>>338442041
>wan't something to hear in the backround when im playing certain video games
I keep hearing this lame ass excuse over and over again.
What kind of games are you fags playing you need to hear "something in the background" as a requirement?
>>338442098
I didn't think you were, thought you were some other female nobody
>>338442219
No, I use Livestream because they won't ban me for streaming eroge. Or anything else for that matter. It's good for when you want to stream a movie and have you and your friends online watch it togehter.
>>338442383
It is a lame excuse. The only game I have anything else playing in the background is casual games of DoTA or something gay like that.
>>338442437
That's for sites that no one cares about as soon as Livestream becomes popular if it ever does that shit won't be allowed.
>>338442238
You dont once you notice it. I dont even watch streams too much now. Its fucking shallow and boring. The realization ruins all fun of watching.
>>338442525
Any by anything else, I mean music.
>>338442383
WoW.
What, you think I'm just going to listen to the game audio?
>>338442549
>as soon as Livestream becomes popular
It WAS popular like 5 years ago, then it completely fell into obscurity. I used to not get away with this shit there, now I can get away with anything.
>>338442525
Personally I listen to Doo Wop and Barber Shop when I'm gaming desu, shits relaxing as ferk.
>>338413240
I like to watch them play games I'm interested in potentially buying.
>>338442383
what do you mean an excuse? i like hearing the audio of streams
im kind of impressed by twitch really
because my gfx card was busted over the last few weeks i've been reduced to watching twitch streams of shit, and i couldnt play the overwatch beta but only watch on twitch
between watching the OW streams and watching streams of new games like Warhammer Total War i actually feel like shelling out for launch titles because of what i saw
no amount of advertising or hype or 'first looks' could have made me interested like watching it in action did, especially since ive been burned hard on launch titles before
>>338442383
Grinding games are great for watching random shit at once. You get the gaming satisfaction and viewing pleasure at once. I stopped watching streams tho
>>338442437
oh then sorry, i thought you were using twitch to stream.
>>338416646
>>338442089
Getting blazed as fuck and then reading the chat is hilarious.
>>338442994
inb4 dude....
>>338442982
I do when I stream off my ps4.
>>338443068
bro cannabis kek
>>338442383
>>338442525
When I hear things like
"There are games I'd rather watch than play like Hearthstone" it just blows my mind.
If you don't like it enough to play, you should have zero interest in it.
I think the -only- good things to come out of something like twitch are the following:
>Tournaments
>Special Events (Charity Marathons, launch day parties, etc)
>"live shows" like podcasts where you can ask questions during the broadcast
That's pretty much it. You know what these things have over your average stream?
Production values. They're more of a production. They're something where people put time and effort into setting it up, making it nice, having it be structured, rather than just "I guess I'm gonna play X today because I feel like it"
Watching man vs. game or whatever other cuck of the week literally lets play a game blindly is fucking retarded, same with watching -other- people grind hearthstone ladders.
"Educational" streams are bullshit. Educational videos are -always- better on a platform like youtube where you can make edits, highlight important segments, and refine your thought process because you have the hindsight to look back and adjust to make it better than just your unfiltered thoughts.
Twitch is a shit platform for the most part, outside of the few things i listed.
I like putting speedrun streams up on my second monitor while I do stuff. It's maximum comfy.
>>338417151
Kaceytron's cute smelly lewd feets!
>>338443142
You forgot comedy.
>>338443253
Laughing at people debasing themselves with stupid hair colours doesn't make the platform good.
>>338443142
>If you don't like it enough to play, you should have zero interest in it.
It's not that people don't like playing Hearthstone, it's that the game is genuinely frustrating to play because of its RNG nature.
Watching someone else get fucked over RNG on the other hand is hilarious.
If I'm watching a game why do I need to see someones ugly ass face? I'll never fucking understand webcams.
>>338434930
At the very least it was probably pretty morally conflicting, making piles of money but realising you're taking advantage of thousands of vulnerable lonely dudes
She obviously feels pretty fucking bad about it, same reason as Kaceytron 'retired'
Better she has some sense of right and wrong about the situation, unlike completely amoral streamers like JennyTheSquirrel who seem to enjoy having thousands of orbiters
Though the majority are talentless, some are quite talented. As to WHY, well, humans in general love watching other people do shit.
It's why we have cooking shows.
Sports.
Driving
Hell, we even watch people TALK (i.e. talk shoes)
If there's an interesting personality then yeah, a lot of people want to hear what they have to say.
It gives us new insights on how to look at things.
Then again, I feel like there are some famous people there just because they've been in the game for a long time. cohhcarnage comes to mind.
But if you find someone you like to watch that has similar interests to you, what's the problem with wanting to watch them?
-Love,
one of the few streamers from Japan
>>338443429
>I'll never fucking understand webcams.
this
It's so fucking unnecessary.
>>338443342
America's Funniest Home Videos lasted for years purely on that
>>338443361
Yeah, it's a shit game, so why are you interested in it?
Card games are inherently luck based. It's all about getting your draws when you need them.
Hearthstone adds an even more disgusting luck element with teh random effects. Whats worse is that the effects are also disgustingly powerful but "balanced" by luck, which results in a very unfun experience.
You shouldn't support these kinds of games, through playing, or watching.
>>338443515
At least he's a nice guy.
Though with a face like that dont you kinda have to be?
>>338413240
Nothing is wrong with Twitch itself, streaming video games existed before Twitch. In 2010-2011 there were a ton of /v/ streams on Livestream where we got together and watched some /v/irgin play Amnesia or run Mario Retardy or something, it was a lot of fun.
It's just the culture and sub-communities of Twitch that are cancer. Streaming died when facecams and donations got involved
>>338443142
>If you don't like it enough to play, you should have zero interest in it.
That's ridiculous, I can appreciate someones incredible skill in Starcraft 2 without having any interest in playing it whatsoever. I've played it enough to know I don't enjoy it, and that I can't tolerate the cesspool of humanity that still plays it nowadays, but watching an expert play it is like watching a master painter or sculpture artist work, it's inherently interesting and shouldn't need to be justified.
