>A lot of folks probably thought that Captain America: Civil War would be a fight so big, it'd fit the entire storyline of its namesake into one film. Thankfully, that sentiment has been proven wrong, as Joe and Anthony Russo have started to speak about the level of conflict our Avengers will be at when they regroup in The Avengers: Infinity War – Part 1. Let's just say that there's still room for improvement between the team.
>The greatest indication specifically came from Joe Russo, as his remarks to USA Today set the tone for what writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely have started to include in their drafts of The Avengers: Infinity War. Russo made the following proclamation about just where Earth's mightiest heroes will start their epic two-part journey
>"Without question, we’re taking these characters who are at the height of dysfunction and animosity, and we’re going to put them into a story where they’re going to have to face the greatest threat they’ve ever known."
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Captain-America-Civil-War-Isn-t-End-Avengers-Conflict-According-Russos-130427.html
ZEMO CONFIRMED BEST VILLIAN
>>69433034
I fucking told you faggots this would be big
Everyone knew Zemo was GOAT. DCucks were just mad
>Luthor tries to create a conflict between two titular heroes, only TWO bear in mind, with so many confusing motives (religion, dad, power, BEIN COOKY CRAZY BOYS MMMM DING DING DING DING)
>fails spectacularly because their mom's have the same name
>Zemo tries to destroy the entire of the Avenger's team because they indirectly killed his family
>succeeds and destroys the friendships between each one of them in a long lasting conflict
FUCKING GOAT VILLAIN
Oh shit. I take back what i said about them being friends again i guess
>>69433179
If Superman's dead then did he really fail?
Yeah Zemo was pretty GOAT
Really reminded me of why some fags say that comics were better when the villains were just normal people & not supers
>>69433034
>yfw BASED ZEMO
>>69433291
Well yeah because the heroes still won and formed a new and even stronger team, plus what was his actual plan after he made Doomsday? At least Zemo had the plan to an hero after he broke the Avengers up
weren't the Avengers already fractured at the end of Age of Ultron?
>>69433472
Not this badly.
>>69433510
So they lost Tony Stark, a dude who wasn't considered an Avenger until this movie, and a dude who didn't even exist until Age of Ultron.
WHAT EVER WILL THEY DO
>>69433579
uhh what
>>69433472
No, they lost one slav who was literally introduced at the beginning of the film, arrowman, and Thor fucked off to Asgard, Tony was still buds with everyone but didn't wanna be a superhero, but then we got the new avengers team with Black Widow, Falcon, War Machine, Vision, Cap and Scarlett Witch
by the end of this movie the heroes are all at a conflict with each other and relationships are properly split, with even smaller teams being established
This sounds exactly the same as every other Marvel movie.
The heroes argue and occasionally fight but ultimately have to come together to save the world.
>>69433034
/tv/ didn't like Zemo? I thought the MCU did something right with their villains this time. He didn't die, he'll show up again, and he accomplished something without powers--something other villains who were aliens and robots and gods did but failed.
>>69433579
Not to mention they actually GAINED members in Ant-Man, Captain Kangnshiet, and Bucky, all of whom have power levels which easily replace Iron Man, Nigger Iron Man, and Vision.
>>69433627
Stark, Rhodes, and Vision.
>>69433671
>This sounds exactly the same as every other Marvel movie.
It only happened in GOTG and the two Avengers flicks.
>>69433472
I think that was the plan but they shot multiple endings and picked the one where they parted ways in friendly terms. That did make the tone weird. AoU was a mess.
>>69433579
They've also lost Vision and War Machine. Thor and Hulk are still out getting blitzed, and Hawkeye is retired.
>>69433694
If Civil War wasn't already as complex as it was, Zemo would easily be a GOAT villain and by far one of the greatest in the MCU. He just needed more screentime, honestly.
>>69433579
>Tony Stark
>not an Avenger
>built gear for all the Avengers
>owns the Avenger compound
>is the first person recruited by Nick Fury under the Avengers initiative
>is in both Avengers movies and features prominently
>heroic sacrifice at end of Avengers
>front and center on Avengers cover art
>not an Avenger until Civil War
the fuck you say?
There's basically
>Legal Avengers
Iron Man, War Machine (if rehabilitated), The Vision, Spider-Man.
>Illegal Avengers
Captain America, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Ant-Man.
>Undecided/Unknown
Black Widow (could go either way), Winter Soldier (frozen), Black Panther (could go either way), Thor, Hulk.
>>69433714
>he thinks they gained members
What fucking movie did you watch?
Why does Zemo want to break up the Avengers?
>>69433803
Don't know if this is true but word was they had to cut some of his scenes down
>>69433803
His limited screentime was what made him great for me.
>>69433790
see
>>69433714
Clint is currently in action, I'd assume. So right now, the Avengers have Cap, Bucky, Falcon, Ant-Man, Scarlet Witch, Captain Hol'up, and Hawkeye, which puts them at a better standing than they were in the first Avengers movie. Ant-Man and Scarlet Witch are pretty much the de facto powerhouses.
>>69433694
>He didn't die, he'll show up again, and he accomplished something without powers
Sounds like an X-Men villain.
Losing Stark they also lost funding.
>>69433579
Tony finances their shit, anon.
>>69433826
Hawkeye and Ant-Man won't stay around, they have kids and families and shit.
>>69433822
He was talking about Rhodes, but he's still wrong, because Rhodes was a reserve Avenger in AoU.
>>69433822
>writing out a whole fucking page worth of greentext due to lack of reading comprehension
kek
>>69433851
The one where they're all isolated together in Wakanda by the end with no choice but to group together?
>>69433906
>I'm just going to assume everyone who helped cap out is now part of caps avengers
>>69433938
>>69433947
Yeah, and now they have T'Challa, who probably has more money and better technology.
>>69433860
The movie's theme is revenge. It ties well to what Black Panther says in the end.
>>69433948
Ant-man hardly. It's not like she's his responsibility, that's Bobby Cannavale and Judy Greer. He just has to show up from time to time.
>>69433948
What the fuck was with Ant-Man joining up with the illegal Avengers? Wasn't the resolution of his solo story arc not to get in legal trouble anymore so he could be a father?
He's a multiple felon, this is a life sentence for him.
>>69433392
But his main goal was killing Supes so he kinda won
>>69433947
Scroll down a bit.
>>69433971
Was Falcon a reserve Avenger too in that movie?
The Sovokia battle was Ultron vs the Avengers (ft. War Machine). Rhodey wasn't an Avenger.
>>69433911
There's no one like that in the MCU. That was the point.
>>69433996
Well considering he busted them all out of jail and they're on the run, why wouldn't they be together?
>>69433975
>they're all isolated together in Wakanda by the end
That DOESN'T HAPPEN though. They show Bucky and Cap in Wakanda, because they have business there. They show T'Challa in Wakanda because he is the king. We don't see anyone else in Wakanda.
>>69433352
>>69433826
I wonder how will Strange fit in, since he could single handedly solo the entire team. The Accords will have a hard time with that one.
Tho maybe they will go with the Illuminati route?
>>69433996
>doesn't understand the concept of an underground Avengers
So what you're really saying is, the only real Avengers team out there consists of Robert Downey Jr, his black buddy, and their android bull?
>>69434016
Matt Murdock will help him
People are forgetting that Vision is loyal to Tony, and that Vision has the Mind Gem. Asgard is also a monarchy, with KEENGZ AND SHIET and thus it's pretty likely that, for both these reasons, Thor will go to Tony when the Infinity Wars stuff throws down and tell Cap to cut the shit.
Banner could go either way. He's bros with Tony and probably likes the idea of supervision and control, but also obviously hates Thunderbolt Ross.
I won't be surprised however if Tony does make good on that 'we can amend it' shit and somehow ends up principal director.
Thunderbolts when senpai?
>>69434007
I don't think he supports them the same way. He agreed to conserve Bucky but save for that it's not his business.
I'm sure he'll give Cap a new shield, tho.
>>69433034
>ZEMO CONFIRMED BEST VILLIAN
was he?
>>69434110
>too dense to grasp the implication they're all at Wakanda
>literal "if I didn't see it with my own two eyes on the screen, it didn't happen" argument
>le smug reaction face
>>69433179
What was Lex's motivation anyways? Was he just crazy? I didn't get it desu.
>>69433579
they are fugitives and everywhere hunted
>>69434007
He did house them, and he did express his desire to at least "find one of them (Bucky) find peace" but I don't know if he's up to financing the rogue Avengers. I thought staying in Wakanda for them is a temporary thing, but it's cool either way if BP is their new Stark.
>>69434046
He was. 'Reserve' as in 'not active duty, but ready to be called upon.' Which is why both of them were on the roster of Cap's 'New Avengers' at the end of the movie.
>>69434016
Ant-Man joins the fight because he is a Captain America Fanboy
>>69434182
for what? Cap isn't Cap anymore, he will not wear his suit anytime soon and not have a shield
>>69434085
>criminals busted out together go on the run together
>they stay together on the run
You sound really fucking dumb. If anything, they'd separate.
>>69434217
I know that but he's basically abandoning his beloved daughter to go geek out
>>69434016
It was like payment to Falcon for the shit he did in Avengers HQ. And he was probably told that Cap needed helping against Stark's team (would Hank pass this up?).
It just seems, though, that no matter what Scott does, illegal shit follows him.
>>69434291
They're a fucking sub team of the Avengers not a bunch of bank robbers.
...well, Ant-Man is but whatever.
Besides, Steve fucking ezplicitly states that if Tony needs them, they'll be there. As in a collective. Not if he needs Cap, if he needs THEM.
>>69434182
Cap doesn't deserve the shield
>>69434124
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying we don't know what happened to most of caps team. You're jumping to conclusions when you assume they are still together as some "illegal avengers team".
>>69434190
First it was like a fear of the power he had, then it was a questioning of religion and gods, then it was daddy issues, then it was literally just because he's crazy
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/685761-captain-america-civil-war-already-up-to-765-8-million-globally#/slide/1
>Civil War reached all of BVS entire Worldwide box office in a few weeks
JUST
>>69434187
Bilbo please
>>69434360
>Besides, Steve fucking ezplicitly states that if Tony needs them, they'll be there. As in a collective. Not if he needs Cap, if he needs THEM.
Steve can fuck himself
>>69434187
YES
>>69434023
But if he also wanted to get rid of Batman so any potential obstacles were removed
>>69434188
Not him but he kind of has a point. I did also assume the rogue Avengers are all in Wakanda, but now that I think about it some of them could have split up too.
Just realized why Zemo lured Tony to that abandoned Super Soldier factory. Its because the structure gave Capt and Bucky an advantage since Tony wouldn't be able to fly everywhere and shoot Bucky from the air. This guy is a genius. It's like watching Marvel do a Seven movie.
>>69434252
Because he's used to having a shield. It's his trademark weapon, he fought with it for more than a decade. It will probably not have a star on it, but that's all.
No shit it isnt
In fact I would say the movie ended on a cliffhanger and that it didnt have a fully realized plot at all
But I guess critics can overlook that
>>69433472
Hulk and Thor were seperated, the intention according to Joss Whedon was for them to be "fractured" but they ended up being friends anyway. Captain America starts new Avengers.
>Iron Man
>Captain America
>Thor
>Hulk
>Black Widow
>Hawkeye
>Falcon
>Winter Soldier
>Scarlet Witch
>Vision
>Ant-Man
>The Wasp
>Black Panther
>Spider-Man
>Captain Marvel
>War Machine
>Star-Lord
>Gamora
>Groot
>Rocket Racoon
>Drax
That's a big roster.
>mfw i thought Red Skull was deadset on being goat
>he was jobbed out and sent off elsewhere
>Zemo coming along and i thought he'd suffer the same fate
>Zemo wins without even breaking a sweat
>>69434518
Red Skull is just a cuck Zemo even in the comics
>>69434518
>Zemo's fucking face when Bilbo tries to rustle him
>>69434388
That's why he makes him a new one that he deserves because it was not made out of stolen vibranium and it was not made by Howard Stark.
>>69434360
Hawkeye is retired
Bucky is Frozen
Ant-Man isn't a superhero
All Cap might have is Falcon and Wanda
>>69434423
NO.
YOU MOVE.
>>69434571
Cos Wanda is a hindrance am I right?
>>69434173
You know that mind gem is gonna be going to Thanos which means that Vision is probably gonna be useless
>early reactions said Zemo was a typical shit marvel villain
>mfw he was actually the best yet
I was so underhyped for Zemo. Such a nice surprise to see how good he actually was.
>>69434571
>Hawkeye is retired
>Ant-Man isn't a superhero
>Black Panther doesn't exist apparently
>>69434571
Hawkeye and Ant-Man can't just go back to their lives, they're escape convicts.
Ant-Man's not very heroic but I don't see how that stops him from being part of a team of people with special abilities because that happened in this movie.
i read a theory that Thanos maybe takes control over Wanda so she can get the infinity stone from Vision, since she could control the stone...
>>69434392
HAHA
>>69433352
When the Thwips are just right...
Sharon is cute. CUTE!
>>69434705
Im sure Stark and Ross know about Hawkeyes family so he has to stay away from them. Or we might get Ult Clint.
>>69434661
It means Vision's gonna die.
It'll be what brings them all back together.
>>69433034
The whole Sokovia revenge thing is a red herring. Helmut Zemo is German, not Sokovian. He's going to have ties to Red Skull.
>>69434554
He doesn't deserve any shield
>>69434764
top butterface
>>69434793
That's not what Tony said.
>>69434764
Right? the whole time she was on screen i kept thinking to myself built for big black cock.
>>69434704
T'Challa wasn't on Caps team in the airport fight. Sure he is helping Cap freeze Bucky, but that doesn't mean he is joining Caps Avengers.
>>69434452
Could have, yes. The most likely scenario is they're all there. At the very least, they're all essentially a team since there is no reason for them not to be.
>>69434778
Hugo Weaving said he doesn't want to return tough. I mean he was contracted but would they really force someone uninterested? I guess they could just recast.
>>69434778
Hugo didn't like the role and he doesn't want to return to it. Let the skull go.
Tony's going to hand Cap his shield back at the start of Infinity War, isn't he? "I think you'll be needing this, Captain."
Either way, I hope there isn't more in-fighting between the Avengers in IW. That's been going on for long enough.
>>69434423
Geez, Ironman fags are just as whiny as he is.
>>69434869
>>69434875
Why did he even do the film then?
>>69434016
Part of SCHAT's character is that he ends up paying for his sense of justice, as shown in his solo movie where he was fired and then sent to prison for years for whistleblowing the corrupt company he was working for and then hacking his former boss's computer to transfer back the money his company was stealing from. (Although it was stupid of him to put his boss's car in the pool just to prove a point)
SCHAT, getting in trouble with the law again for helping out Steve and the others is in no way shape or form out of character, even if it means he risks damaging his just repaired relationship with his daughter (and ex-wife) in the process.
However I do see your angle though anon. I almost feel bad for SCHAT now that I think about it.
>>69434875
I think it was the makeup he didn't like. Maybe it's easier now.
>>69434860
I like to think Scott leaves them to go back (for Ant-Man and Wasp) but I could be wrong. Nobody knows where Hawk's house is and I doubt Stark blabs that to Ross.
>>69434827
That's what I'm saying
>>69434778
He could be Sokovian and all he said was true. But his father could have been German too, which they could link with HYDRA/Red Skull.
>>69433860
He doesn't. He actually wants them to kill each other, because he'll never be powerful enough to do it himself.
So Ant-Man and the Wasp is releasing between the two Infinity War movies. What's the deal with that? Will it be set concurrently with the war or what?
>>69434903
Yeah idunno. Tim Blake Nelson and Tim Roth said they want to return. Would be you interested in them coming back?
>>69434987
He is Helmut Zemo so I imagine they'll tie in his father to Caps backstory at some point.
>>69434911
I don't know. They put makeup on Paul and then CG on top of it. He said the Vision suit is so hot and air-sealed they had to build an internal cooling system into it.
>>69434771
>It means Cap's gonna die.
>It'll be what brings them all back together.
pls don't fuck this up MCU.
>>69434906
This
>>69434906
Yeah it does sound like Scott. He's a guy who seems to always do the right thing but he pays for it after.
And what the hell is SCHAT
>>69434928
But if the accords are law, Scott is already an outlaw, no? If you don't sign, you have to stop super heroing or you're breaking the law.
>>69435029
Them showing up in a Thunderbolts movie would be kind of cool. And since TIH was released so long ago, they don't even have to acknowledge it. They can just do it SU SI SQUA style where Zemo amasses a team of supervillains and the Leader and Abomination just happen to show up.
>>69435072
Cap will die at the end of IW probably, how many are left on Evans' contract?
>>69434764
2fat
>>69435077
Michael's accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg6yVfr8K4s
>>69435133
He's up for possible negotiations after IW part 2
>>69435072
Vision dies, but yeah I hope Cap dying will bring them back together too.
>>69435122
Well yeah he is an outlaw. I don't think that will stop Hank from telling Scott to do stealth missions.
>>69434928
Im sure Ross will find whereHawkeyes farm is
>>69435053
>He said the Vision suit is so hot and air-sealed they had to build an internal cooling system into it
Or they could just not shoot in Georgia during the summer?
>>69435133
Evans seems up to playing the character til his death bed
Expect Cap(tain Ame)kino(rica) til roughly 2070.
>>69435133
he has a contract for 6 movies
>>69435077
I imagine it's an attempted portmanteau of his real name and superhero name but I honestly can't tell how.
>>69435072
Cap and Thor are in both IW flims.
Someone should die, though. Black Widow, maybe.
>>69434778
He couldn't be german and have any tie to this movie then. Only way to have proper Zemo, costume and all, is if he was in the First Avenger.
>>69435171
>>69435207
That's what I thought.
They'll kill Steve, bump Bucky up, bring Evans back later probably in the Steve Rogers storyline.
>>69435053
I find it funny how Paul Bettany handles the long and grueling process of his Vision costume being put on and acting in it with such class and grace like a G
while Idris Elba bitches like a nigger about how hard it was to play as Heimdall in Thor: The Dark World
>>69433579
> Tony Stark, a dude who wasn't considered an Avenger until this movie
>>69435223
Black Widow is supposedly set to have a movie in Phase 4.
Sucks, because by then Scarjo will be an old hag.
>>69435248
They should have used a balaclava on operator Zemo costume
>>69435202
Why would he even know Hawk has a farm? Or that he has a family? It seemed like it was a pretty serious secret/classified info even for SHIELD in AoU, and I doubt anyone who knew where it is (Widow, Tony, etc) would tell Ross.
>>69435279
I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't sign for more. He has stated in other interviews that he wants to take a break from acting and do some directing and with a contract with Marvel, that is tough.
>>69435029
With Ross back and his weird ass sea-prison for supercriminals it's not weird that Tim Roth's Abomination could be in there somewhere. Ross could also get mixed up in experiments that will eventually make him Red Hulk. Thor and Hulk beat Red Hulk in the comics. Thor and Hulk will be in Ragnarok together. So Marvel could do another Thor/Hulk buddy movie only this time focusing on Hulk and the fight against Red Hulk. It's something for the character to do while not being in Avenger movies.
>>69435279
I can't imagine a Cap movie with Bucky at the helm selling tickets. If anything, Bucky will adopt the moniker while Steve is still alive off doing his own thing, but won't appear in his own movies.
>>69435325
I honestly wouldn't complain about the costume if when he was in the arctic he had a purple ski mask. I mean come on, that would be pretty cool.
>>69433579
>Tony Stark, a dude who wasn't considered an Avenger until this movie, and a dude who didn't even exist until Age of Ultron.
>Tony Stark
>>69435248
His father could be German. At least they made that very clear in his back story in CW.
>>69435374
Cap will start out as the Nomad in Infinity War 1 for sure, but Bucky lost his metal fap arm. Wonder what they're gonna do about that.
>>69433860
He has an insatiablelust for revenge.
>>69435356
I could see Evans doing a similar career path as Affleck, take some time behind the camera and come back to it later.
Marvel's going to be making these movies for a million years so he has time.
>>69435309
>old post in this thread with many replies, hmm better reply
>>69435360
It would be nice if Hurt would sign on for one more appearance as Ross just to transform into Red Hulk, because then after that he won't ever have to appear again (i.e. Rulk will just be CG'ed every movie).
Do you think audiences are still going to see the marvel movies after IW Part 2? Like if some of the heroes start dying I could see people treating it as an end point and moving on.
>>69433906
Cap's team isn't the Avengers though.
Tony's team is.
And there really isn't anything to suggest everyone stayed with Cap in Wakanda.
>>69435469
Audiences watch them because they're good movies that entertain on some level, despite what /tv/ says. 4chan is never right about anything, as long as they make interesting things people will keep watching them
>>69435374
I doubt these movies can fail in any capacity.
The audience is very familiar with Buckey now, it wouldn't be very hard.
>>69435356
yeah in his last interview he said something like that he sure thinks that there will be more Captain America movies just not with him
but he could always say it of course because he wants more money
>>69435469
we have to live to see whether the capeshit bubble will burst. if anything they'll become westerns 2.0 and the MCU won't fully dissolve for a long, long time.
>>69435384
reading. comp.
>>69435526
I wonder what the general consensus on Bucky is. I haven't heard enough buzz about him to gauge anything.
But as it stands I'd rank his popularity as tied with somebody like Vision. And I don't think a Vision movie would sell either.
>>69435547
I think Marvel will be the last to die.
Unless Suicide Squad somehow saves them I think DC is dead already desu.
>>69435533
True. He could chamge his mind. Evans could try and do a sports like contract, 2 movies with a options to opt out after the 2nd or something.
Honestly how are they going to portray anyone on iron man's side still as a hero after this?
Iron Man is now a villain. War Machine is now a villain. Vision is a monster.
Only Black Widow and Panther still sort of work since they changed sides reasonably fast enough.
Spider-Man maybe too if he denounces Tony and doesn't want to have anything to do with that fascist.
>>69434509
You forgot Dr. Strange m8
>>69435623
>Spider-Man maybe too if he denounces Tony and doesn't want to have anything to do with that fascist.
That will mostly likely happen. Parker switching sides was a major deal in the comic plot. Maybe Tony will give him his OP spider armor instead of his iconic suit in IW1.
>>69434691
why does the cgi look fine here but look like shit in other shots (particularly the one before he runs up to spiderman worried after he's ktfo by jaiANTS man's arm)?
>>69434509
Is the GotG crew even in it?
>>69435722
Yes. Star-Lord is 100% confirmed, and the rest are all but. Rocket was hinted at IIRC
>>69434509
There's also going to be like 3-4 new Guardians in GotG Vol. 2
>>69435589
I really think it doesn't matter at this point, you could probably take any one of these guys and once you run it through the Disney marketing machine and promise some cameos and ties to other movies it's sold.
These guys are printing money.
>>69435294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H6t_n4xtPQ
>>69435469
Say what you want with the quality of movies they pump out, but they know how to hype things.
>>69435623
There are a ton of people still on the IM wagon after CW.
I think the Spiderman, DS and BP movies will detail some of the backlash from the Accords. I wonder if they will show IM being a dick like the comics. Thing is, I don't think RDJ would sign on if they did.
>>69435589
>tied with somebody like Vision
Bucky is pretty popular with the girls (more than Vision), at least.
Anyone else kind of hype for Thor: Ragnarok? I know people were a bit meh on the last two thor films but the director if this one is really good and Natalie Portman to be not coming back ever again.
>>69435623
The movie actually juggled the two sides well. Neither side were totally correct and totally wrong.
Bucky froze himself guys. I don't think he will be coming back anytime soon.
Zemo for only and best INTP villain?
>>69435918
The fuck you are talking about? The Iron man side was completely wrong.
What will they even do after Thanos? How do you escalate the plot after that?
>>69435940
Meh. End credits of the Black Panther movie.
>>69435959
Not saying you're wrong, but explain why you think so.
I'm not siding with Team IM but I don't find them completely wrong. The movie presents the whole thing in a way that you understand where they're coming from.
>>69435966
Go smaller again. Only way to go after going huge.
>all of this shameless shilling
This is why /tv/ loses more and more users everyfuckingday.
>>69435966
Body snatchers take over. The fucking Green Goblin and covert team of supervillains is in charge of the world now in place of the Avengers.
That's how you top Thanos.
>>69435411
Bucky will have his mind unscrambled at the beginning of Infinity War Part 2 by Doctpr Strange after Cap and Tony team up and realize they need more firepower.
He's going to get a Vibranium arm made by T'challa and Tony.
>>69435998
The UN is completely useless.
What the fuck would limiting them do?
>>69435966
They'll cross that bridge when they get there
>>69435966
>>69434119
Strange will just do what he does and not pay attention to governments or politics. It's not like there's any military or police force that could bring him in anyway. Even if they could, there's nobody else qualified to do his extremely important job.
>>69436035
pic related
>>69435940
Its not hard for the writers to say Black Panther's best scientists found a way to cure Bucky
>>69435623
what?
the same argument could you make for Cap tbqh, many people are totally disappointed in him
and Iron Man is still their golden guy, most critics were raving about RDJs acting so...
>>69435918
>>69435959
>>69435998
I have to say, I feel like they lied on the "people will be torn by the end of the movie on debating which side was right" quality of the film, the movie made it easy for audiences to side with Cap, at least with the airport scene since that fight only happened because Tony was too stubborn (and too busy being that nigger mother and Ross's appeasing bitch) to listen to Steve's side of the story
>>69435906
I'm pretty happy Portman isn't coming back. She was the worst part of the other two movies. Thor should hammer that big titty Jew she hangs out with.
>>69436026
dc cuck pls
>>69436045
Not even nearly enough characters for a Beyonder plot. You'll need the Celestials and Eternity and the Living Tribunal all established for that shit.
>>69435966
Best case scenario, they get F4 rights back and Phase 4 is launched by a Fantastic Four film that establishes Dr Doom as the bad guy for the phase, then maybe move upwards to Galactus or go Dark Reign with Osborn.
>>69436173
don't forget 5 hours of screentime minimum
>>69435906
>Natalie Portman to be not coming back ever again
What? When did that happen?
>>69436096
but Ross and the government wanted them bring in no matter what, Tony and Widow wanted to do it in a non lethal way
>>69436040
Like I said, I understand where Tony is coming from. He was guilt-tripped at that start of CW, and he was already guilty and anxiety-tripping way before that. The Accords enables him to pass the blame to the governing forces, and I understand why he would opt that instead.
War Machine is a military guy. I can see why he is for it.
Black Widow made a good point. The Accords were made to shut up governments/people who are angry at them. BW knows how to play the PR game.
Tony did kind of imply to Cap that their signatures are just needed to shut up the governments pestering them, and they could do some changes/negotiate further later.
Note that I don't side with them.
>>69436173
End of phase 6 or something after Strange has had 3 movies and a bunch of tie ins.
>>69436214
After Thor 2.
She hates the role and won't be coming back.
>>69436264
I kinda understand that. It's a pretty bad cliche role.
>>69436096
That's not what I see with discussions. I've seen arguments made for Tony. Steve was wrong to keep things from Tony, but I understand why he did it.
Like I said, neither were totally wrong and totally right, and I've enjoyed discussion of that.
>>69436137
I like her but her performance was terrible.
>>69436096
I've seen a ton of people side with Tony and ramble on about how something must be done. It's out of emotion, though, the same as Tony. They want to blame where there really isn't anyone to blame.
I think they'll use parts of the comic of Tony putting trackers and shit on Spidey and he'll switch sides.
>>69436297
Someone in production was fired, and that person was the only reason she agreed for another movie. I don't think she'll be coming back because of that.
>>69436195
>Doctor Doom done right
I don't know if that's even possible at this point but I would stand in line for tickets to see if it was.
>>69436223
Except that the registration side is absolutely in the right.
The vast majority of the Avengers are US citizens, they're funded by an American with more money than the GDP of most countries, they operate privately and according to their own agenda (which is benign FOR NOW), their power levels and abilities are incredibly dangerous and beyond even the United States military to contain, and they're directly responsible for Ultron. That's all Tony.
If this was real life, NOBODY would be okay with this.
>>69435966
>Zemo loses his shit because his masterplan failed
>breaks out of prison
>create the Thunderbolts to undermine the superhero concept
they should get Fantastic Four rights back but since their image is so tainted they make the main character of the movie doctor doom and fantastic four side characters.
>>69436404
even based Evans knows
Who's side are you on /tv/?
>>69436404
I'd be okay with it. They can try and manufacture shit all they want like that lady and her dead son, but they didn't kill him. The aliens and Ultron would've killed everyone. Avengers saved who they could. That's the best anyone could hope for. I don't need the US to have control of the Avengers and fighting their wars for em, especially after The Winter Soldier.
Super heroes should regulate super heroes.
>getting hyped over the long schill to milk superhero movies for every shekel before the fad dies out
You can do better than this
>>69436404
It's one of those things that's good on paper, but prone to corruption in execution.
>>69435294
>Black man responds to the standard frustrations of working life that everyone else experiences by getting angry and bitching
What a surprise
>>69436363
>Viktor von Doom, King of Latveria, becomes a media darling because of his relief aid to Sokovia
>>69436404
>registration side is right
>recognize there is no way to implement anything against them anyway
>they serve no purpose other than giving power to the government to blame people
You are a fucking child. Or a troll. Or both.
>>69436494
The United States wasn't going to be in control of the Avengers anyway in Civil War.
>>69436026
>discussing films
>shill
Secret Invasion, done right, could be really cool. That's something I'd like to see set up for Phase 4, 5, 6.
Civil War was a really shitty comic. The MCU made a pretty cool movie out of it. I'm sure they could do the same with Secret Invasion.
So there's no way they can hint at the MCU tv shows, huh
>>69436706
Why not? Don't the TV shows reference the movies all the time?
>>69436706
They can. They just don't want to and I'm completely fine with that. They really don't need to bring in AoS, or the Netflix shit into the MCU.
>>69436763
I haven't watched AoS. I just want a blind guy walking by at the background.
were those numbers they showed in civil war of the amount of deaths accurate?
did they actually go back through the films and look for deaths?
>>69436706
But Vision did though? He said that there has been an "increase in enhanced individuals" which is a sort of blanket statement that recognizes the Inhumans in AoS, DD, JJ, etc. and that there was also an increase in world ending events. (Could take this either way, either he's just referring to the events in the movies or that the Avengers also recognize the shit that goes down in the shadows of the movies)
>>69436706
Studio and movie divisions are at odds right now because of Ike the Kike
>>69435966
Get Max to write it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWvAqvTrVI&t=1m40s
>>69436468
Isn't the F4 shit, though? It's one of those comics that can't be done right because it was Power Rangers tier bad in the first place. The entire premise is way too wacky, the powers are wacky. The only reason it's in the Marvel Universe is because it was established and they can't just ignore it. They are actually better off now that they don't have to deal with all the X-men and F4 shit because a lot of it is really just way too much on the corny end of the comic book scale.
>>69433034
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING
>>69433087
>>69433087
>security camera conveniently captures Bucky murdering Tony's parents in the middle of nowhere
>Hydra keeps said footage for some unexplained reason
>Zemo is buttblasted his family died when the Avengers saved the fucking planet
>this is despite Zemo being part of a fucking death squad himself
>he combs millions of Hydra files and finds out that Bucky killed Tony's parents
>decides to bomb a shit load of innocent people and make the Avengers fight each other as revenge for his family
>this only works because some people died thanks to Wanda not being able to save everyone from Crossbones' suicide bomb, which Zemo had no way of predicting
>there are people who actually consider this a good villain
I liked the movie, but Zemo was the weakest part of it.
>>69433352
>>69437156
Actually the whole incident with Wanda was just the last drop after Sokovia and the issue with Hulk. It wasn't even in Ross' presentation. The UN was already looking for a reason.
>>69437156
I have no idea why everyone is praising him when he's the same Joker/Khan/Silva villain we've been getting for years now.
>>69437357
He's GOAT for a MCU.
>>69437357
He was neither wacky nor insane.
>>69437156
>>security camera conveniently captures Bucky murdering Tony's parents in the middle of nowhere
Actually I think that was meant to be Stark's house. I have no idea why they would keep the footage though.
>>69433291
Partially, no. Luthor didn't want Superman's death as much as he wanted him discredited. Superman's death only proved he was the hero Luthor believed he wasn't.
>>69437356
Yeah, how dare those Avengers save the planet from Aliens, space elves, super Nazis and evil AIs (Tony's fault admittedly).
And why the fuck didn't anyone mention that Ross created a monster that would have leveled New York if the Hulk hadn't stopped it? Or that the US government tried to nuke New York?
>>69437091
The Fantastic Four are great. They just have to be done right. If The Hobbit came out before LOTR people would think you can't do LOTR justice. It's just Fox is shit. Marvel pulled of GOTG and Ant-Man. They can easily do Fantastic Four.
MCU has been nothing, but adults. Spider-Man brings in a teen angle. Family Four would bring in a family angle, plus all the scifi shit that comes with them.
They can always shoehorn Spider-Man int like they're shoehorning in Iron Man to Homecoming so people know the Fantastic Four are now MCU, and do some Future Foundation adaption to kinda separate it from Fantastic Four.
>>69437156
>Zemo
Humans are emotional and irrational beings only out for themselves.
And the Sokovia Accords didn't factor into Zemo's plan AT ALL.
>>69437393
Not really. Loki is the only good villain.
>>69437483
>US government
The World Security Council was NOT the US government.
>>69437496
Yes, they did. He bombed them dressed in a Bucky mask for fuck's sake.
>>69437560
After the Accords was already a thing. He incorporated it into his plans.
>>69437541
He's better than Loki.
>>69437560
The signing onlu gave Zemo a target to draw Bucky out of hiding because Vasily wouldn't give him what he wanted.
He could've bombed literally any high value target and frame Bucky for it.
>>69437603
So he managed to make a perfect Bucky costume in a couple of days?
>>69437638
Most likely he worked on the disguise after Vasily didn't cooperate. So yes.
>>69437617
>getting caught was part of my plan! xD
Thinking about it, they're actually both shit.
>>69437698
That's just silly. Zemo was clearly meant to be some kind of prep genius ala TDK Joker.
>>69437799
Getting caught wasn't a part of Zemo's plan, though.
>>69437638
We don't know how much time passed, exactly. I could have been weeks or months between Zemo killing Kaparov and the signing of the accords.
>>69437638
>perfect
Most of the face was obscured, to get eye shape right you'd just need morticians putty and foundation to blend. An amateur could do that. Zemo's an amateur with a cause.
>>69434007
>better technology
Entirely possible. We'll have to see how the MCU portrays Wakanda; they might simply go for "first world country" as opposed to "super sekrit better-than-anyone-else country", but regardless, they have strong technology.
>more money
That depends on how much control over the budget T'Challa has. Plus, if the government directly finances the Avengers, who are fugitives, they may consider war with Wakanda.
Actually that might end up being the plot of Black Panther, since he boasted "let them try."
>>69434299
He was being blackmailed by falcon. Scott was fucked either way so he just tried to make the most of the opportunity.
