Can Gilmore Girls even be called a guilty pleasure?
I think it was genuinely good, at least for the first few seasons.
>>68787086
Are you a teenager girl? If not then yes it's a guilty pleasure.
>>68787086
are you a girl
>>68787086
it's absolutely not a guilty pleasure. the first three seasons anyway. those seasons are pretty brilliantly written and feature a deft blend of emotion and comedy. the show is surprisingly subtle and insightful in its depiction of a mother and daughter and the ways in which the two influence one another as they age together. Lorelai's youthful age adds a poignant component to the show as there is always the sense that she never actually had the chance to grow up and is still learning how to imitate a grown up with a daughter. Also the show's literary/cultural references in general are too patrician to consider the show a guilty pleasure. Any show that cracks jokes about an elementary school adaptation of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf is worthwhile in my books. Don't give in to the beta males on this site OP, the first 3 seasons are excellent.
>>68787086
got pissed as fuck when the blonde dude got BTFO when he asked Rory to marry him and go live with him
>muh free womyn don't need no man
had to keep the premise of the show until the end fucking kikes
>>68787124
>>68787176
Nah, but I was like 15 when I first watched it.
>>68787259
Season 7 is completely unwatchable. In fact the show becomes basically worthless post-season 4. Logan is also a piece of shit. Thank fuck Rory left that dirtbag behind.
>>68787271
way to back down OP, you pussy.
>>68787259
>liking Logan
>>68787086
if you think it's guilty pleasure material you definitely aren't patrician.
At its best it's on par with Aaron Sorkin.
>>68787294
>liking the criminal or the supermarket bagging boy
>>68787086
It's not just good, it's fucking great
>>68787231
seasons 4 & 5 are awesome nigga, what the fuck you on about? it doesn't jump the shark until season 6 with that retarded storyline about Luke's daughter
>>68787434
Jess is a criminal, how?
He's clearly the best fit for Rory and the only one of the three who actually gave a shit about the same stuff that she dug. He had some emotional problems, that's about it.
Logan was a douche bag that had no interest in literate.
I wouldn't expect you as a non-reader to understand this though.
>>68787492
I can't agree.
The second half of 4 is great but when I rewatch the show now I always stop there. 5 declines hard and I haven't even attempted to rewatch 6 since the first time I saw it when I was 16.
>>68787399
I'd argue it's better than any series Sorkin could make, the man has serious talent but he's far too preachy and politicized
>>68787535
they literally stole a boat together which lands Rory in jail and starts her path towards the dark (boring, rich kid) side.
If she does end up with Jess in the revival I'll kill myself.
>>68787492
>twn take turns stepping on your balls
;_;
>>68787573
Jeeze I don't even remember that.
That must occur in season 5. God damn everything post-4 is so retarded.
>>68787570
I just finished rewatching season 5 and it's great. Sure it has Logan who sucks, but the Palladinos were still knocking it out of the park as far as writing and humor.
Season 6 is when they started running out of ideas, and how
>>68787571
I mostly agree but when he's on he's really fucking on. He also has a really wide breadth of knowledge to draw on, even if he does recycle tropes a lot.
Then again Amy Sherman-Palladino has all of Sorkin's good qualities and NONE of his bad ones, so maybe she is superior.
RIP Bunheads. gone too soon xxx
>>68787535
His mother literally sent him to the other side of the country cause he had problems with authority, he's a fucking fedora with attitude problems.
And couples don't need to have the same interests they need to complement each other.
>>68787573
oops I meant *doesn't* end up with Jess
Jess is obviously best husbando.
>>68787645
I really think the quality of the writing takes a distinct shift in season 4. The characters change too in ways that aren't at all flattering to their earlier selves. Stuff like Paris complaining about how jealous she is of their thin roommate in season 4 sounds so false and like such a betrayal of the earlier show. 4 is still pretty good but it's noticeably different and I guess I just didn't like the direction the show went. Them having to lamely try to keep Lane in the show also really messed things up a lot. The show could only survive when it was contained in high school/Stars Hollow imo.
>>68787086
no, it ruled. super comfy show to watch with your high school girlfriend in 2005
guily pleasure would be like, degrassi the next generation which is one of the best shows ever.
>>68787714
I think Paris is always meant to be deceitful and self-serving. She puts down everyone so that shouldn't be a surprise. I really like how crazy she gets with the paper in S5
>>68787688
That's just something that single people say. Having things in common is extremely beneficial for a relationship. And if one person has a passion (like Rory does for books), the other person has to at least have an interest in that subject. Rory's passion (at least in the early seasons) is overriding, taking up a lot of her time, to have someone share in that is an amazing feeling. People with no passion can have relationships where they share little because they generally don't give a fuck what they spend their time doing. That's not the case here.
>>68787086
>single quirky mother and quippy daughter don't need no man: the show
It's shit like this that brought on the cancerous wave of nu-feminism. Fuck that show.
>>68787535
you kidding right? Jess was a fucking neet with behavior problems.
>>68787714
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think season 4 has issues balancing Rory in College with Stars Hollow, but by the end of the season they were able to strike a good balance. Season 5 is noticeably better, and has some of the funniest moments and lines in the entire series.
>>68787573
>>68787618
oops I was talking about Logan stealing the boat. Jess isn't a criminal, just shady.
>>68787792
I mean more that her concern shifts from intellectual things to bullshit like how thin she is and how many guys she can get. The whole show takes a shift from the early seasons when Rory and Paris are obsessed with learning and books into the college years when they seemingly give no fucks about books and just want dates. You can actually see the number of references to culture/books declines hugely in the seasons after 4. The characters stopped caring about what they had loved before and that felt really fake to me.
>>68787895
whatever, you plebs as non-readers can't appreciate the beauty of finding another person who reads. it won't translate to you guys because you see books as chores. most of the people on this board anyway.
>>68787855
Are you retarded? Both of them are desperate for male attention/companionship, and there's no feminist agenda whatsoever. I'm a serious anti-feminist and Gilmore Girls is one of my favorite shows
Maybe try watching the fucking series before making assumptions based on nothing else than it having female leads,dum-dum
>>68787855
>MRA triggered by things he hasn't even seen
what a fucking suprise
>>68787708
I thought he was being a pretty bad boyfriend earlier in the series though
>>68787086
Daily reminder that Jess is the best bf and if you like Dean or Logan you're a literal faggot.
>>68787968
Now that I think about it there is one, just one scene in GG that had pro-feminist shit which irritated me when I first saw it. It's when Lorelai, Rory and Dean are watching the The Donna Reed Show and they treat Dean like an idiot for not having a problem with the traditional gender roles in it, after he gets annoyed by how much they're riffing the episode.
That's literally it, and afterwards Rory apologizing to him, dresses up like Donna Reed and cooks him dinner. Pure poetry
>this image comes on
>Where You Lead starts playing
literally the comfiest feel in all of feels
>>68788363
All of Rory's heroes are feminist icons (Hillary Clinton, Christian Amanpour) and Madeleine Albright stars in one episode too, you insecure gender hating faggot.
>>68788181
Jess is a pretentious asshole who thinks he's way cooler than he is. Dean is a nice down-to-earth bro who actually treated Rory right. Best bf for sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL49f-Qs_vs
>>68788488
Eh, aside from her mentioning them and so forth they have no relevance
Also I don't hate anyone, I hate feminism as an ideology. It's gynocentric, exclusionary and it promotes, masks and defends misandry. You're the one who's being a faggot, faggot
>>68788538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyu--xC72jg
>>68788653
if you think feminism is exclusionary you don't understand the basic concept of feminism.
you're like those idiots who don't think #BlackLivesMatter should exist because #AllLivesMatter
These movements exist to redress an imbalance. Without feminism you wouldn't have equal rights or equal pay. You don't hate feminism, you probably hate third wave meme feminism, which isn't representative of the entire cause because no one movement can be.
>>68788532
non-reader/non-thinker detected
>>68788768
>if you think feminism is exclusionary you don't understand the basic concept of feminism.
Oh, the classic "look it up in the dictionary" argument. As if that means anything
It's obviously exclusionary as it distinctly focuses on women's issues while all but ignoring men's issues. Gynocentrism helps no one, all it does is increase the divide between the sexes and breeds conflict.
>actually defending #BlackLivesMatter
Didn't see that one coming, that's it, I'm done.
Not really looking forward to the new movies tbqh
You know they'll fuck it up somehow
>>68788986
no intellectual acts like Jess, he's a tryhard faggot who thinks he's James Dean
>>68788995
feminism reframes the discussion to include females and renegotiate their place within an equal society. That's inclusive.
I wouldn't expect a raging MRA (and if you're against a black rights movement, let's face it, a probably racist) to understand equality anyway.
You thrive on hatred and a position of priveledge and will do anything to withhold the status quo of an unequal society. That's faggotry in its true form.
>>68789101
he's literally 16 years old
were you reading books by Hunter Thompson, Tom Wolfe, James Joyce, and Melville at the age of 16? Fuck, have you read those books even at your current age?
>>68787086
Quick talking and interrupting is a pet peeve of mine. West Wing, Gilmore Girls, Parenthood, Newsroom. All of them, garbage. It's a cheap trick used to make events more dramatic and characters more witty than they actually are.
>>68789096
>preferring season 4 over season 3
>>68789096
>4 as the best
possibly the most disgusting ranking I've ever seen of any tv show or director or anything really
>>68789119
My friend you're spooked to tre very core.
>>68789230
if you're a fan of Gilmore Girls you should be open, intelligent and inclusive. Simple as.
Be the Rory you want to see in the world.
>>68789119
I'm simply discussing the subject while you're making grand assumptions and tossing around insults, and yet I'm the one full of hatred? Irony and projection all in one, congratulations
Maybe take a few deep breaths, a nice nap and come back when you're ready to stop acting like a jackass
>>68789291
While I agree with everything you're saying about feminism and I agree that the other guy is a dumbass, I think it's a little naive to think Gilmore Girls is some paragon of openness and inclusiveness. The show never shows any characters that are gay, in fact the concept doesn't even seem as though it exists in Stars Hollow. Also the show privileges fairly classist ideas revolving around Ivy League schools and climbing the social ladder. It's a largely conservative show in its humble small town American locale that doesn't feature any aberrations like sex amongst minors or any form of homosexual relations, let alone any non-whites (the Kims don't count because the show focuses entirely too much on how the family is Korean and gives a relatively racist depiction of a Korean mom)
>>68789314
>i-i-i d-didn't s-start i-i-it
boo fucking hoo. you got triggered by an instance of what you call "pro-feminist shit" when the entire show promotes and deals with women.
then you misunderstand basic elements of feminism and act all pissy about Black Lives Matter.
Who's the spooked one again?
>>68789399
I never said anything about being spooked, and I wasn't triggered I was slightly irritated. Also if you really think I could hate women and still be a fan of Gilmore Girls you are literally retarded.
>boo fucking hoo
Sorry I made you cry
Holy shit. What the fuck is going on in here? I just wanted to shit on someone's favorite show and you faggots are arguing about feminism and Violent Lives Matter
This entire thread
>>>/reddit/
>>68789367
you can only go so far with a small town story but... characters that aren't gay? [see pic and feel his disdain glaring at you from beyond the monitor]
also c'mon. It was on the CW and aired during the day. it was never going to go all Degrassi High on us.
>>68789548
pls don't shit on Gilmore Girls it's my favorite show it's all I have in life
>>68789633
what about bunheads?
>>68789633
IT FUCKING SUCKS
>>68789548
>Violent Lives Matter
lelIt's funny cause it's true.
>>68789680
meanie :(
>>68789548
It's my fault, was just drunkposting and didn't expect to trigger an SJW, honestly didn't even realize they existed on this board
GG threads are usually pretty good, oh well there's always next time
>>68789839
ah yes, the SJW boogieman. a favorite of people who think that excuses racism and gender inequality. truly classic meme skills there, friendo.
>>68789886
>racism
>gender inequality
>needing an excuse
0/10
>>68789886
Fuck off nigger
>>68789928
I get that this is 4chan but you don't need to be a sheep. it's okay to act mature and intelligent sometimes.
>>68789972
>>68789982
change season 6 to "unsure face" and season 7 to "disappointed face" and this would be perfect
>>68789982
change 7 to him holding a sign that says "NOT CANON" plz
>>68789972
Then when are you going to start?
>>68789839
Fucking degenerate
I couldn't keep watching after Rory fucked over Dean so hard
>>68789886
said the SJW
go defend marginalized groups from the patriarchy somewhere else
>>68790109
>tfw you are nice guy Dean
>get humiliated by gf who just wants bad boys
at least he got to take her cherry later
>>68790067
good call
Also while season 6 isn't terrible per se, I have a hard time buying that anyone who could have that gleeful expression regarding it
>>68790243
That's the part I'm talking about
>break up with Rory, start dating a new girl
>happy, get married even though still kind of miss Rory
>Rory comes back, Dean has sex with her, is now an adulterer
>Wife finds Rory's note, divorces Dean
>think Rory and Dean will get back together
>Rory ends up ditching Dean to be with Logan
Made me slightly upset
>>68790093
but anon, how else am I going to distract myself from my worthless existence? Movies and TV shows aren't enough, I need mental lubricant
Btw Gilmore Girls is amazing when you're stonedDUDE WEED LMAO
>>68787781
I need her to nurse me
>>68790397
That's right, forgot about that. Poor Dean, he didn't deserve that. Even so he should have learned his lesson the first time and kept his distance, but I guess he couldn't resist that slender, lily-white goddess
>>68789982
>actually liking season 7
this is even worse than the other one
>>68787086
Good quips and qt grils puts it in the guilty pleasure column
>>68787573
>>68787688
>>68787863
You faggots do realize that by the end of the series, Jess is the only one still on speaking terms with Rory. He published a book and owns a gallery with his friends. Dean is probably still bagging groceries and Logan fucked every girl in sight the second he though him and Rory were broken up, which its not even clear if he believed that. If you go back and watch he told his sister that they broke up supposedly just to get her off his back but later Logan says that he legitimately thought they were broken up which is why he bangs all those chicks. He either lied to Rory or to his sister.
Dean just ends up bitter as fuck and he talked shit to Luke about his relationship with Lorelai. Logan cheapened their relationship by implying they couldn't do long distance and that it was all-or-nothing. Jess is the only one she might even be willing to sit down with at the end of the show.
>>68787792
Plus she slipped Rory the tongue in that one episode
>>68791078
Aren't all 3 of them supposedly in the new season? I could see Rory ending up with Jess again for the reasons you mentioned
>>68788532
>>68789101
>nice guy
>treated Rory right
>fedora detected
>>68789367
You do realize that attitudes about class and the relationship between money and "worth" are pretty heavily featured in the show. Lorelai ran away from home because she knew how shallow a world that is and she finds more personal satisfaction in raising her daughter on her own and spending time with her friends than having an easy life and having everything handed to her. Plus Lorelai and Rory are liberal as fuck, they mock republican and Rory even has a "Stop the War on Choice!" poster in her room at college.
>>68790397
Rory was set up at that weird sausage fest party her grandparents hosted, and she decided to have fun in a bad situation and lost track of time. Dean was fine with it until he saw all the boys. Self cucked like the reactionary idiot he is.
>>68791118
Apparently they are, though if they somehow backtrack Dean's bitterness and make it so he is in love with her again I'll be pissed. Same if Logan all of a sudden thinks that they can make it work. Jess is the only one whose character arc at least leaves him in a place where they're in an ok place and can see each other without it being weird.
I watched this because my sister would watch it but eventually I watched it on my own
fucking great show
what does rory smell like
I'd just like to thank Alexis Bledel for launching me into puberty in this episode.
Thanks, Alexis. You'll never know how much that meant to me.
>>68787903
but that is exactly what happens when qt3.14 readers get to college or their first job
>>68787086
its good, it just gets a reputation as a girly show because
>main characters are quirky mom and daughter
>small town plots of love and heartbreak
>it could be cheesy at times, but that's the appeal
>it was on ABC family
But id did have good plots and very good characters. Just tell people you watch it for the hot mom
>>68793399
It origingally aired ont eh WB, ABC family just picked up rights for reruns and shit
>>68787086
Im confident enough with my masculinity to admit I liked it and still watch it. Aside from actually good characters and writing ( not that forced laugh track full house style of shows we were just coming out of) it was just so goddamn comfy
>those fall/winter settings in small town New England
>that late 98s, pre 9/11 feel of the early 2000s
>even after 9/11 when shit hadn't gotten really bad yet
>characters that actually seemed real, so "OMG SO RNADOM AND QUIRKY AND SEXY" but people yooud want to know
then you realize we're never going back to that time or see a show like this again
>>68790397
>>68790494
wasn't he in the finale, still upset that he lost rory all those years later? I remember Luke telling somebody that it happened in high school and to get over it
>>68790397
Dude, Dean broke up with her
He left her, granted she was partying with all those dudes and it was clear that they were going different ways in life but he broke it off
>"What am I doing here, Rory?"
>>68793561
what about that other show with Lauren Graham, parenthood? It sort of had a similar vibe. Could be silly but also serious and gave off a timeless feel
>>68793590
It wasn't in the finale. It was in on of the season 5 episodes where Lorelai and Luke are dating and Dean is working construction at the Twickam House and Luke and him butt heads a bit. Luke tells him to get over it and Dean says that his relationship with Lorelai is pointless. Basically he just projects all his feelings about Rory onto Luke and Lorelai and thats the last time we see him in the show.
>>68792064
like a crisp fall day or vanilla lotion, depending on the time of the year
>tfw Paris turned out sexy
>she plays a murdering lawyer on a new show
shes been hitting my fetishes for years now
>>68793316
Not true.
Also, just because that might happen to some people doesn't mean that it would happen in a tv show. Also the show clearly isn't conscious of the shift in character. There is no reason that the characters change into mindless girls that want dates. There's no explicit commentary on the progression the characters go through. Rory just seemingly out of nowhere no longer gives a fuck about the life of the mind and just wants to date boys. That's why she ends up with a cunt like Logan who uses books as just another way of asserting himself.
Anyway, it's shitty that the show devolved in my opinion.
>>68793812
>>68792208
>I'd just like to thank Alexis Bledel for launching me into puberty in this episode.
And it's like she's still doing it today, because she's inhumanly youthful
Is she an Elf or something
>>68793992
Agreed, on the level she was sexy as fuck in Mad Men and I was really surprised the first time she came on screen and had a few nice faps to her parts of those episodes.
>>68791078
mah nigga
all these beta cucks liking Dean lol. Jess is the alpha dog
>>68793842
agreed with you on those points m8, the show mishandled the shift
