What does /tv/ think of Man of Steel by Zack Snyder?
>>68650127
Masterpiece.
The #1 capeshit of all the time that changed cinema forever.
>>68650193
shame Zacharie Snyderie made some mistakes with the casting on the long runshe's coming back, right?
You want a honest non-meme, non-shill opinion? It was alright, good even, just nothing really remarkable. I don't get the hate for Pa Kent, I think he does make some good points about Supes powers and whatnot. It had great action, cinematography (though I wasn't a big fan of the bleak color filter, nevertheless great shot), Cavill, Shannon and Crowe were excellent and they don't get enough credit for it desu. The Christian imagery and product placement were really forced, there were more plot holes than usual, and some of the dialogue was really cheesy. 6.5/10, Snyder isn't the problem with the DCEU, Goyer is.
>>68650654
what/s wrong with that scene?
he was teaching his son a lesson
>>68650265
>swn beat you up
;_;
Does Supes work out? Is he just naturally permanently covered in muscle?
>>68650127
Great film, I have to admit it was an acquired taste for me.
At first I dismissed it and didn't give much thought to it until discussing it made me reconsider my initial judgement.
>>68650654
HALT GARGANTUAN FELLOW
>>68650127
I thought it was the worst movie I'd ever seen...until I saw Batman Vs Superman, which was much, much worse.
>>68651103
are you paid by Marvel to say this?
>>68651103
Haven't seen a lot of movies then have you?
>>68650654
STOP
BIG
GUY
![Elizabeth_Olsen_SDCC_2014_2_(cropped)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2IbuRvu.jpg "Elizabeth_Olsen_SDCC_2014_2_(cropped)[1].jpg")
>>68651103
Anon, only you believe the shit you type.
>mfw people say the action was confusing or painful to watch
>>68651236
the action was confusing and painful to watch
9/10
#1 Comic book movie with Winter Soldier and Spider-Man 2 coming in very close behind.
Hans at his best. People dislike it because Man of Murder, but it's an origin story... it takes an event to make a character into their current self.
It's also the live-action DBZ movie I always wanted.
>>68650623
I'd rate it 7.5/10
Tone down the produce placement and get rid of all the shaky cam (both of which were fixed in BvS) and that's a huge improvement. I wasn't really bothered by the Jesus stuff but whatever.
But cavills acting wasn't great, don't kid yourself. There's so many lines he delivers completely flat that needed emotion and it's obvious he had fuck all direction on this, he was much better in BvS.
Snyders ok, after BvS it's obvious he's fixed some of the flaws with MoS but yes Goyer royally fucked things up. I'm very pleased to hear its terrio and Snyder going forward
>>68650727
Yes
>>68651103
Lies.
Sucker Punch is worse than both.
>>68651421
In your opinion where do you think Goyer fucked up?
I also think Cavill's performance is more nuanced than people give him credit of, there's a lot being conveyed with facial expressions in both MoS and BvS that I've noticed a lot of people miss out on.
>>68651395
>Hans at his best
Fucking this.
Was he nominated for this or anything? It's one of the best scores I've ever heard.
Reeve exuded charm and charisma. We couldn't get enough of him on-screen, and wanted to see more of him. We wanted to be around his Superman because he made us feel better about ourselves.
Cavill isn't charming, he's not charismatic, he's not Superman.
>>68651395
There's a problem with your assessment, though: this isn't Dragon Ball Z, it's Superman. You want a live-action DBZ (for whatever reason)? Fine, then have a live-action DBZ movie stand on it's own. Don't put that into Superman.
I refuse to believe anyone with a triple-digit IQ can watch The Dark Knight or Batman Begins, then Man of Steel, and say, "Yes, Man of Steel is better than both of those!"
>>68650701
about how to die for no reason
>>68651529
It is better.
And you're projecting what you think Superman should be. I prefer Cavill's version.
>>68651529
Yes, Man of steel is better than both of those
Also
>>>/reddit/
>>68651557
>It is better
It literally isn't. One of those movies has won multiple Academy Awards, is constantly considered to be one of the best comic movies ever, and has over 90% from critics.
The other is a flop with lower than 60%.
>>68651529
I prefer Superman as he was portrayed in MoS. And I would have agreed with The Dark Knight being greater until I rewatched it a few weeks ago... the acting does not hold up from ANYONE apart from Heath. It's hammed up.
>>68651532
He didn't die for no reason. He taught Clark that every life matters. Just because he's more powerful than humans he shouldn't see them as inferior beings, same as the life of the dog is precious.
Without this teaching it would be easy for Clark to go all muh ancestors and pick Zod's side.
>>68651585
>>68651557
>I like Superman to act nothing like Superman
Ok then.
>>68651598
>He taught Clark that every life matters.
>What I supposed to do? Let them die?
>Maybe.
>>68651610
>I like Superman to act nothing like YOUR Superman head canon.
fix'd
>>68651485
I agree about his expressions being spot on. Like I said he was great in BvS, he's facial expressions when the bomb goes off in the courtroom was perfect.
But it's just the way he delivers some of his lines in MoS, I remember one in particular when he and Lois are on Zods ship and he says something Lois so damn flat it took me out of the film for a second.
>where did Goyer fuck up
He seems to really bad at showing characters point of view. For example it was confusing exactly what pa Kent's stance was (based on what he was saying), Snyder tries to make it clear though how the scenes are put together but... Everything he touches just seems a bit too vague, ie the relation of the codex to the genesis tube, lex' motivations, etc. there's just needs to be a bit more clarity, rather than us making assumption and head canon.
He did well with Zod though, I'll give him that
>>68651529
>I refuse to believe anyone with a triple-digit IQ can watch The Dark Knight or Batman Begins, then Man of Steel, and say, "Yes, Man of Steel is better than both of those!"
Man of Steel is definitely trash, but let's not act like Nolan's movies weren't.
>>68651629
If the world isn't ready, and Clark isn't ready. more lives are at stake. He has to learn to choose when and where to act.
>>68651610
>character written a hundred different ways with a new aesthetic and attitude every few months
![photo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vF6CnlE.jpg "photo[1].jpg")
>>68651655
>Man of Steel is definitely trash
I want Reddit to leave
>>68651421
Really? All of that is fixed in BvS? I might give it a chance then, though I don't know how much HMM BOYS can I handle, that and butchering Doomsday and semi-butchering Batman.
>>68650127
STOP MY INVINCIBLE SON!
>>68651661
Show me one grimdark, murdering Superman in the comics where he wasn't influenced or controlled in any way.
>>68651703
>butchering
Don't believe the memes anon. Don't fall for muh murder or the >not muh Doomsday/Batman complaints
>>68650127
I only liked it for all those shirtless beefcake scenes desu nee
>>68651733
Show me one realistic take on a person/super being who is fully aware of his potential and doesn't have self-doubt and doesn't learn from his mitakes
>>68651660
>every life matters, even that of a dog
>unless you're not really feeling like it then fuck that bus full of kids
![January-Jones[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/z3D1Gcj.jpg "January-Jones[1].jpg")
>>68651733
>not muh Superman
See, that's one of the main reasons these movies don't work for people like you. You see them as a vehicle to indulge your power fantasies. If you claim to understand and love a character that's a very superficial way to show it.
>>68651763
>muh realism!
AlsoCaptain America
>>68651610
Except youre bashing him for not acting like superman before he's even become superman.
Hell I don't even get what you're going on about, in both MoS and BvS he's shown saving people all the time out of sheer good nature. It's just this version is more focused on his solitude rather than his hammy interpretation. They are just different interpretations of the same character.
>>68651598
The whole point of that scene was Kent was teaching Clark not to be reckless with his powers. That it being a secret was important and ultimately needed to wait until both he and humanity were both ready for superman.
It had nothing to do with the dog.
>>68651629
This was a theme also echoed by Martha in BvS. Basically, he doesn't HAVE to save everyone and everything, just like we aren't all signing up to be policemen of firemen. He has a choice and he should make it when he's ready, but neither decision is wrong.
>>68651598
he could've just had Superman walk up and save the dog.
it's not like anyone would be able to see what happens to him when he's swallowed up by the tornado, he could just say he miraculously survived
>>68651689
Reddit is at the forefront of the Zack Snyder Defence Squad, actually, maybe you should check it out.
>>68651802
>>68651814
>>68651585
>>68651557
Did you guys defend Dragonball Evolution's take on Goku, too?
I thought Man of Steel was great.
+Great soundtrack
+Very well shot
+Action scenes are cool
+Realistic take on Superman
+Opening was great
-Henry Cavill's acting was bad at times
>>68651642
>head canon
Reeves is straight out of the comic book pages is fucking amazing
![Christina-Hendricks[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rdKxvQu.jpg "Christina-Hendricks[1].jpg")
>>68651821
>Reddit is at the forefront of the Zack Snyder Defence Squad
How do you know that? Why do you care so much?
such a shame
>>68651840
>Did you guys defend Dragonball Evolution's take on Goku, too?
Don't care and haven't seen it, what's your point anyway?
>>68651840
>not muh Goku!
I hate these MoS fags too
>>68651733
>>68651583
but reddit loves MoS anon
>>68651845
>Reeves is straight out of the comic book pages I like
>>68651840
Goku is one character from one story with a definite beginning and end
Superman is an 80 year old character that has countlessly been reimagined, remade and reinterpreted.
Totally the same thing.
>>68650127
I like my Superman to act completely diferent from Superman so yes I like it, I'm 14 by the way
>>68651703
Yeah the shaky cam is toned down heavily. In MoS it was extremely distracting but in BvS it only seemed to pop up when it fits.
The HMM BOYS Bruce-Clark introduction works a lot better in the movie, it's also made clear that lex is an out of touch autist that everyone else can't stand. Batmans fine, it is state and hinted at over and over that shit when down in the past changed him, Alfred is constantly countering his current jaded view of the world.
90% of the complains I see of BvS on here are from people obviously not paying attention. It's not a movie you can "just turn your brain off", you have to pay attention like a political triller or some shit.
why is he making this face?
>>68651945
like clockwork
>>68651733
What do you mean by grim dark?
As for murdering... I'd rather he killed Zod due to having no other options, even after begging Zod to stop, than pull some bullshit fly-around-the-earth-and-turn-back-time out of his ass.
>>68651945
I like my superman to act exactly like my head canon so no I didn't like it, I'm 12 by the way.
>>68651943
I dont remember Supes being an asshole murderer
>>68651655
>T
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck.
>>68651950
>It's not a movie you can "just turn your brain off", you have to pay attention like a political triller or some shit.
this has to be some fucking joke post, is a fucking movie about 2 toys punching each other and is bad even at that
>>68652053
Read Injustice.
>>68651529
reeve charma and charisma is a meme
you his personas blend together so you see both of them, all while not really thinking about the spergy clark character he plays, which is not endearing in the slightest
not that i think mos or bvs are amazing, but i really appreciate the soft spoken somewhat stoic character he plays, i also appreciate the gentleness and genuineness he emits. maybe it's just me, but whenever clark was onscreen in bvs i felt whatever he was feeling
>>68651943
When you hear "Superman", you think of a do-gooder "aw shucks" type of guy.
>h-he's an old character!
That's nice, but his fabric is always intact. You can't make a Spider-Man comic where he uses guns and kills people, including cops, and say "well it's a different take on him xD" because then it ceases to be Spider-Man.
>>68650127
Mediocre movie starring a Superman with no charisma. Directed by an objectivist who has no grasp of an altruistic character.
This thread again?
It was ok honestly but it was transformers but with superman.
>>68652100
elsewhere tale/another dimension shit you stupid fucking mongoloid how do fuck do you even manage to breath?
kill yourself
>>68652136
>That's nice, but his fabric is always intact.
No it's not, there's been versions of him going full bananas. Just stop it.
Like this anon said: >>68652100
![3dae5ac8f8a770fc984fff72eb721fb9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/67DGvVr.jpg "3dae5ac8f8a770fc984fff72eb721fb9[1].jpg")
>>68652097
You didn't watch the movie, did you?
>>68652196
>elsewhere tale/another dimension shit
hahahhahahaahaa
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MOVIES ARE?
THEY ARE NOT YOUR COMICS
>>68652127
>reeve charma and charisma is a meme
No. Reeve had Superman charisma even when he wasn't playing Superman. He was Superman in all his non Superman movies. He was even Superman when he played a murderer in a movie.
>>68651652
jonathan kent explains his point of view in every scene he's in
"there's more at stake than just our lives and the lives of those around us clark" watch the scene and understand the emotional subtext, at the very least understand that jonathan was expressing his own vulnerability and troubles with the subject
hell, every character so far in both movies seems to explain their point of view
just in regards to jonathan; what bothers me isn't that people don't really understand or empathize him, preferring to completely twist his words into something they're not, it's that if he was an actual person he'd get so much shit from people that is completely undeserved. seeing the reaction a few lines have gotten has actually made me empathize more with that character but in general made me wonder when i've twisted other people's words
![ff88c21922ae023e3de8cf036acc8ffa[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O8cdzSO.jpg "ff88c21922ae023e3de8cf036acc8ffa[1].jpg")
>murderer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZIEkFk_NQ
>>68652249
So you are basically saying he was a shitty actor
did they?
>>68652288
that fucking video lmao holy shit that was tryhard
>>68652294
>So you are basically saying he was a shitty actor
Superman doesn't have to act as Superman.
>>68652097
The fact that people like you went in expecting, wanting a movie about two toys punching each other is exactly why it's got such an undeserved bad rap..
It isn't that at all.
>>68652276
The more I watch people shit on Cavill the more I understand the huge burden of having the masses silently judge you and still deciding to keep your head straight and carry on.
>>68652332
>lmao
These are the people criticizing MoS
>>68652348
>wanting a movie about two toys punching each other is exactly why it's got such an undeserved bad rap..
No, that's how Superman Returns got a bad rap
>>68652171
>no grasp of an altruistic character
Spoken like a true Marvel drone who can't understand any movie that breaks away from the formula. Snyder's not using the Superman you think, he's using his own take and exploring things like how society would actually react to somethign like him. It's not even "2deep4u" bullshit, it's just his flavor. Fuck off
>>68652354
>still deciding to keep your head straight
He'd better. His receding hairline looks worse otherwise.
![54bd1b609a1bd_-_lindsay-lohan-bazaar-6-de-45971414[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rDlrb09.jpg "54bd1b609a1bd_-_lindsay-lohan-bazaar-6-de-45971414[1].jpg")
>>68652332
>posted at 2:39
>reaction at 2:41
>video is over 6 minutes long
we both know you didn't watch it anon
>>68651733
>>68652363
The reason why SR has a bad rap is because Supes only motivation in that movie is to put his dick back in Lois.
>>68652376
>it's not 2deep4u
>but really it's 2deep4u
>muh objectivism
>>68652244
the movies are not adaptations of alternate dimension stories they are adaptations of the main canon story of a character
this is the latest defense tactic by Dcuks "is not your comics", the truth is WB/Snyder failed to adapt Superman to the big screen
>>68651840
Geeko
>>68652386
I love how the more butthurt these movies make you, the more people will put emphasis on the hairline.
Cavill doesn't give a shit dude.
It's also a sign of high testosterone.
>>68652448
TDKR isn't canon you dipshit. Stop talking like a moron.
>>68652249
maybe it's just me, but i never liked that act he played. and something in the back of my mind always bothered me about his relationship to lois
and that extended superman comment you've made, hell, it's not even about superman but christopher reeve. you like christopher reeve, which is totally fine
but this all screams a similarity to the history of jesus and his depiction in media as well, and the different attachments and meanings he's had at different people in time.
and just to reiterate, what you're saying about reeve is fine but *i* just didn't buy that act in the slightest, i thought it was a joke until i realized people took it seriously and also began wondering why he would undertake a persona that wasn't necessary at all
>>68652448
In what canon story is Supes able to turn back time?
>>68652348
is worse because is exactly that, a movie about 2 toys punching each other for retarded reason theres no ideologies or points of view is just rushed shit the writers put in so Batman can punch Superman in the face
the bad guy makes the good guys fight each other but they end up joining forces is the fucking shit you find in third rate crossover comics
>>68652448
>Dcuks
There it is.
Another company war faggot.
Can't you comprehend that liking a movie doesn't establish your allegiance to a specific company?
Is your peanut brain that much fried and deluded?
>>68652541
>the bad guy makes the good guys fight each other but they end up joining forces
Are we talking about the Avengers? It feels like we're talking about the Avengers.
>>68652467
the main character origin is like the comic and the characters act like in the comic so fuck you
>>68652585
TDKR is hated among a lot of Superman fans because it portrays him as a government stooge.
So, yea. No. You have nothing. Literally nothing.
You probably like the Nolan trilogy but nothing was even close to the comics. Robin was a cop for crying out loud. AHAHAHAAHAHHAHA
>>68652505
thats just one part of the movie you fail to understand that if you adapt a comic book character faithfully the audience will let some shit slide down the line like Batman killing and Supes turning back time
![the-room-12[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dvC7Pa0.jpg "the-room-12[1].jpg")
>>68652541
What a story Mark.
Put some effort next time.
>>68652578
same shit but at least Weedon knew he was making trashy schlock unlike Snyder that thinks he is making Shakespeare
![6f0542c7cbe84800c62914634595605b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TY5wVf7.jpg "6f0542c7cbe84800c62914634595605b[1].jpg")
>>68652635
By "the audience" you are referring to yourself, of course.
>>68652679
I'm pretty sure Shakespeare is 2deep4u too.
>>68652633
I was talking about TDKR movie you retard, Nolan trilogy is as good as capeshit will get
>>68652354
well yeah, seriously. especially considering that he's carrying a weight that none of us could or rather cared to imagine until this point.
everything superman does in bvs is the act and reaction of someone who deeply cares, yet he gets shit on for not having all the answers all the time.
yeah, the movie isn't a masterpiece but cavill and the story so far are not the problem
it's actually funny how people say snyder hates superman but both movies are at very least attempts to fully understand what it would be like to be in that position, and further more he trying to make superman bigger than he ever has been >inb4 he's failing, yeah whatever, that is what snyder's intent is
>>68652635
>if you adapt them faithfully then you can have them do things that aren't faithful... But they have still been faithfully adapted.
What the fuck am I reading kek
>>68650713
>Antje will never hold you in an armlock while fingering your butthole
just kill me now familia
![1404743668287[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zVakWbV.jpg "1404743668287[1].jpg")
>>68652711
>Snyder’s thrillingly intelligent use of interior conflict and political antagonism vastly outclasses Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises — all noxious — which were bellwethers of our culture’s decline.
>It takes just such dreamlike moral clarity to reprove the Nolan trilogy’s chaos.
>Fanboys prefer the Nolan films for their “darkness,” which emphasized the sophomoric, pseudo-tragic elements of the Batman graphic novels. But Snyder’s more adult treatment finds the material’s emotional core. This displeases the fanboy/hipster whose adolescent embarrassment about feelings was exploited through Nolan’s emotionless violence and post–9/11 nihilism. Snyder counters that cultural crisis and (through the script by Chris Terrio and David S. Goyer) visualizes the millennial moral struggle as pop myth. His essential subject is mankind’s struggle to discover compassion as well as common obligation — or dare I use the non-political term: brotherhood?
>The pain of post–9/11 as reflected in Nolan’s Batman films was a paradigm shift. But fantasy cannot conscientiously be enjoyed Nolan’s way, without any sense of social, historical, or moral consequence. Snyder manipulates this new paradigm so that mankind’s sense of mortality is embodied by Batman, Superman, and their arch-nemesis, Lex Luthor. (All three characterization performances are, well, perfect.)
>>68652706
should I remind you Batman 1989 and Superman 1978 were huge box office hits and beloved movies?
>>68652635
tell that to zod's snapped neck
>>68652735
such a top tier auntie
>>68652741
do you have your own words or just parrot shit other people say? is it too hard to think for yourself?
>>68652743
so?
If you didn't like BvS doesn't mean that everyone agrees.
>>68652679
Yea, no. Whedon has said that AoU explores what it means to be a hero etc.....
Just stop it. Just because it has quips doesn't mean it's schlock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAEC0ZPRKo
This guy made an analysis almost longer than the movie itself explaining all the themes that Whedon tried to incorporate.
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about because to anyone who's not retarded you just seem like an angry kid that didn't get what he wanted.
>>68652541
logistically their points of view are explained in the movie but i do think there could have been more time devoted to showing us the different perspectives and built up a sense of uncertainty and tension. the realization should be that despite their differences they're after the same thing
>>68650127
MoS was great outwith the first 45 minutes, and a cluttered narrative. Finding out Pa Kent died an hour before we found out how it happened and how it affected Clark was strange.
>>68652711
I was talking about TDKR the comic off which BvS was partly based on. Deductive reasoning is not your strong suit is it.
>>68652733
Batman was basically Batman and in Begins he makes a point about not killing which make it more dramatic when he does in TDK
>>68651532
I never understood the hate for this scene. He didn't want to out his son as a suoerpowered freak before he could handle it. He specifically said for Clark to protect his mother.
>>68651965
>those teeth
I thought it was a meme, but it's true brits are the JUST people.
>>68652772
I didn't connect emotionally with any Nolan film, they're cold and compromise heart for his vision of realism.
On the other hand, I felt actual empathy for Snyder's characters. He's also much more skilled in telling a meaningful story onscreen, and knows how to use a wide array of filmmaker's tools to do this.
In short, his vision just comes off more sincere personally.
>>68652777
just the huge majority think that BvS was a piece of shit
>>68652857
In Begins he kills like 40 people
>>68652857
>Batman was basically Batman and in Begins he makes a point about not killing
Burns down the temple, kills fake Rha's, let real Rha's die.
BRAVO NOLAN
>>68652902
Again, what's your point?
>>68650127
I saw all the reviews for BvS, watched it and enjoyed it for what it was. I thought I'd watch Man of Steel and I unironically enjoyed it.
The first half is absolutely great. I didn't think much of the ending, it sort of devolved into a CI mess, but I still enjoyed it. Definitely more than any Marvel film. Plus, it looked absolutely gorgeous.
>>68652857
What?
When batman kills people later on he shows no reaction whatsoever, even though he killed people right at the start of BB. It isn't dramatic at all. He's just blasting people from a fucking plane.
Mean while in MoS superman begs Zod to stop and when he does kill him shows obvious sorrow and frustration at what he had to do. I agree it could have been better explicitly stated superman is against killing earlier in the film, but even though it wasn't it was done far better than the Nolan trilogy. Fucking hell.
>>68652805
again using someone else opinion as your own, you are retarded I'm out of this shithole
I never watched Ultron by the way
>>68652989
I'm using Whedon's opinion, not my own. You're totally right.
I'm out, nice MoS hate thread.
I like that they're practically a tradition at this point.
>>68652445
It's only 2deep4u if you think it is, so you'd basically be admitting you're an idiot, which is ok. Some people are idiots, no shame in that buddy :^)
>>68653075
I intended this to be an Antje thread badnawd
>>68652896
I virtually never connect with any of the characters in any of Nolan's film.
It was fine in the prestige because both the magicians weren't supposed to be likable (and well actually, you do end up feeling for all those they hurt trying to out do each other).
But inception, interstellar, batman? I couldn't care less about the characters. It's a problem with all his films. Depending on the subject matter and plot it either works (prestige), or doesn't (batman & inception in particular)
>>68652741
As much as I usually think White is a contrarian nut, he is right on the fucking mark with this movie.
>>68652896
>I didn't connect emotionally with any Nolan film, they're cold and compromise heart for his vision of realism.
This. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Nolan's trademark is emotional artifice. If someone says to me they got choked up during Interstellar or were moved by Inception's hammy characterization, I'm usually concerned.
Nolan is all about plot.
Stay the course Zack!
Don't let these quip cucks steer you away from your vision.
>it's a MoS is a misunderstood masterpiece episode
>>68653097
>trying to find flaw
>there are none
>>68652100
why the fuck would a grown man read comics for children? or deliberately watch capeshit?
capeshit board WHEN?
>>68652896
I don't know, but Nolan's Batman Trilogy is filmed very warm and comfy. Well maybe besides TDKR, it's kinda colder looking maybe that was the point.
>>68652805
sure, these things are unavoidable in stories
personally, what i liked about bvs is that there was a dissolution of lines between the literal and the figurative, inner space and outer space
all while engaging in a dialectical process that ends with an affirmation that validates the existence of the justice league, my gripe being that it wasn't more layered within the structure of the movie
as someone responsible for bvs pasta, that's the angle that i'm interested in and hope they can actually push imaginative storytelling as hard as they can. after reading up on terrio's interview and his backround that was what interested me the most. the possible deep dive into certain things, like how bvs actually confronted me with an idea i've been turning over in my head for a long time.
none of this invalidates mcu, i just think the discourse and presentation is different. of course the console wars and kinoposting is pretense that is common in this board and similar boards of "taste" in general
Man of Steel was a well-filmed, dark and sombre interpretation of the manufactured legend that is Superman. It emphasised Kal-Els alienness and the restraint needed for him to fit in with humanity. At times I felt almost like I was watching First Blood, with superman as a drifter instead of Rambo.
The Krypton scenes were dull and generic, and both superman's biological and adoptive fathers were absolutely USELESS. Pa Kent's words to his son in both life and death made little sense.
The action scenes were quality, but Superman's disregard for collateral damage and loss of life is extremely jarring. It's a 7/10 movie taken at face value as entertainment but a very uneasy retelling of a comic book origin story that's meant to be optimistic, hopeful and inspiring.
>>68652974
man the supposed bvs deleted scene with zod in the mountain could have been really good
>>68652448
>the movies are not adaptations of alternate dimension stories they are adaptations of the main canon story of a character
That was my post. I am the one that posted it. I like to make things up and pull them straight out of my ass on a constant a continuing basis.
I also want to add that I also like sucking endless amounts of huge throbbing vein covered cocks of all colors and sizes. It really doesn't matter as long as it's ramming down my throat.
>>68653093
>I can't into reading comprehension
Arguments R 2deep4U
>>68653366
You mean instead of pa kent? I haven't heard about that.
The more I hear and see about the delete scenes, the more I think I may buy BvS when it comes out.
did Zack Snyder singlehandedly ruin Antje's career?
>>68650127
it was shit
>>68653758
yeah and it also supposedly implied that he's been "haunted" by zod this whole time
>>68654107
That would be really interesting to see.
Would have been great if doomsday had been more if a Zod zombie than a generic monster [spoiiler] one of the few points RLM made that I agree with [/spoiler]
>>68651529
Superman wouldn't get his shit pushed in by a horse. Unfaithful/10
>>68653793
She's been in 9 movies since and has done two german mini-series, she's pretty big in germany now.
>>68653793
MOMMYYYYYYYY
>>68651994
He should've kissed him and erased his memory.
what do you guys think about that scene where superman killing all those kryptonian babies or something
he literally only thought about half a second
I didn't really like it, but there are some aspects worth mentioning
Plus : strong visual, action set pieces, different take for Superman character, great performances, great villain
Negative : Prologue on Krypton takes too long, not a fan of back-and-forth storyline to establish Superman character, big action set pieces in every acts makes it a little tiresome, action scenes sometimes hard to follow, Nolanite dialogue felt out of place on Superman universe, Lois Lane being shoehorned in every scenes
7/10, I like BvS a little better
>>68652053
>killing an unstoppable rampaging psychopath who will kill everyone as a last resort
>asshole murderer
When the fuck did people become so sanctimonious? Sometimes killing someone is the right thing to do.
>>68654395
he's embedded with all kryptonian DNA, he could restart krypton pretty much by himself
>>68654395
the pods were empty
>>68652635
But that's not even a power, it's just the filmmakers ignoring how the universe works. Also, why would a Kryptonian evolve memory-erasing kisses?
>>68654442
I just can't help but wonder what these "holier than thou" types would say if a real war or revolution broke out.
Because these complains are specific to man of steel, you hear this shit about everything.
>>68650127
I re-watched it recently and my opinion on it has changed somewhat. I think it's destined to be a cult classic superhero movie. It's certainly better than Batman Vs Superman (which I enjoyed some bits bit not others).
The problems people have with it are justified, but defensible. Pa Kent stopping Superman in the hurricane is a really forced way to do things, but I kind of get what they were trying to set up.
The action is fantastic and the music is really great (even if it's pure Zimmer). I also love the way they introduce Zod and the Kryptonians using alien invasion tropes. It was a lot of fun.
8/10 for me.
>>68654442
>>68654672
throughout the recent mos debacle a certain thing has dawned on me, that is the parallel between zod and his desires and certain ....groups who want the similar things and act in similar ways in our own world
>>68654779
My guess is that your opinion on BvS will change in due time too.
>Clark, let that bus full of children die so your secret is safe
>This is the best advice I can give you
>STOP INVINCIBLE SON
>>68653793
She was allegedly going to quit acting before she got the role in MoS.
>>68654395
There weren't any babies in there. Just the equipment to make them.
>>68650127
terrible movie that had one of the best trailers
>>68654828
I don't know. I enjoyed Man of Steel more than Batman Vs Superman on first viewing. So my opinion has gone from "pretty cool" to "great", but BvS is starting at a "Frustrating enjoyment" point.
>>68654872
pls post the story
I don't wanna copypaste it again
>>68651395
wen u listen to "If You Love These People and "This is My World" back to back
>>68654779
That scene with Zod appearing on the TV and the mars attacks like ship landing were great. Very suspenseful and eerie.
>>68654802
Yes Zod is very extremist like. All or nothing, no tolerance.
It's strange how both MoS and BvS seem to accurately depict their own critics (especially BvS)
>>68655039
>"Man of Steel's" Antje Traue gave herself a deadline, she would either 'make it' as an actress by age 30 or leave the profession. Lucky for her, she landed the role of Faora-Ul in Zack Snyder's Superman reboot at age 29. Her performance as the genetically-engineered Kryptonian killing machine is drawing universal praise and has more than a few lips voicing a strong desire to see her character return in a "Man of Steel" sequel. In describing her preparation for the role, Traue admits to being a bit of a method actor and to that end she abstained from overly fraternizing with her co-stars to make her performance seem more cold and alien.
>Looking back to an earlier point in her life, Traue says she wasn't going to make it as an actress in Germany. "They said, ‘You’re not famous enough for the lead roles, and you’re too present for the supporting roles — you’d overpower the lead," said the 'Tigress of Zod'. To that end, she sought fame elsewhere and landed the role in her very first audition for an English-language film, a lead role in 2009's Pandorum. But that initial luck was atypical, as Traue then lost out on unspecified roles in "The Hobbit", "Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol" and a few other films. Things had digressed to a point where Traue was working at a restaurant when the call for "Man of Steel" auditions came in. The actress was hesitant at first, fearful of another rejection. She admitted, "I was at a point where I didn’t want to do it. I was exhausted from so many rejections, and I thought, ‘How many other girls are going to go for this?’ Maybe I was aiming too high."
>But as her 30th birthday loomed, Traue decided to throw one last 'all or nothing' toss of the dice. It worked, "And then everything started coming in," the actress exclaimed.
Gotchu
>>68655057
Arcade and terrorforming are the best in my opinion. Plus that melody sung by a woman that's in a few of the pieces is very fitting.
Interestingly I find the "superman theme" the weakest of the lot
I love the fact that even after almost 3 years people still talk about this movie. Not a lot of movies have that power.
>>68650265
IMAGINE being on the bridge of the Black Zero for hours on end with this literal sex goddess right there within reach, trying not to watch as she crosses and recrosses her legs in her sexy black unitard,dispassionately musing on the righteousness of the Kryptonian genetics program and how it had freed you all from the "messy couplings of lesser beasts," the pupils in her icy blue eyes dilating in excitement at the very thought of recovering the codex and beginning Krypton's greatness anew; as all the while you listen as her breath quickens and her chest begins to heave ever so slightly in anticipation of the discoveries that await you on the latest outpost, you lose yourself in a reverie of your own most secret thoughts; the things you could do to her in the rest chambers, forbidden things that would make those lips part with passion, those breasts heave in earnest need.
Then Jax-Ur shows up with the latest status reports on the Phantom Drive. For the thousandth time, you pull yourself back from the brink of heresy. Such was the life of Zod.
>>68655118
This is really comfy.
Also hearing a similar story from both cavill and Amy Adams on Graham Norton was equality nice.
>>68655158
Arcade is magnificently bombastic.
The superman theme is eerily fitting due to it's looming potential of greatness and hope.
>>68650654
DESIST NONSINGULAR DUBS
>>68655240
>Arcade is magnificently bombastic
Well put.
I find terror forming the same but far sinister, very fitting for the carnage it's the backing to.
I just couldn't get into the superman theme, sorry Pham. Also didn't really like wonder woman's theme (7/8 time was a nice touch though), but loved Lex's (fits the "mad king" archetype perfectly), their war here and beautiful lies
>>68650127
It's my favorite cape movie.
The best Superman movie ever made. A master piece.
Finally, we get to see Superman's real power on the big screen -- and an actor born for the role play it.
I don't know why it got hate. It was the best Superman movie ever made. It should have been darker, if anything.
>>68655118
I really like hearing that. She was amazing as Faora.
Also, Henry Cavill is the sexiest man alive, and proves that British men are the master race.
>>68651660
Who decided that Clark is not ready? How is that implicated? Since when is pa Kent god who decides what's right and wrong? Does Zack Snyder have father issues?
>>68655548
>It should have been darker
I think that's the major thing holding capeshit back from true greatness. It's not allowed to gets its hands truly dirty.
We really need a superhero that's born on film, rather than comic books so there's no rules about what it has to do.
For me, a superman movie is about a guy who has all these powers who wants to saves people, beyond that I'm happy for the director to do whatever so long as it's a great story, but obviously others feel differently so it's always going to be restricted which doesn't make for good film most of the time.
>>68655700
Exactly. Man of Steel modernised Superman taking license from Nolan's Batman trilogy, but it still didn't really achieve the level of something like Batman Begins in terms of darkness and realism.
Marvel does cheesy popcorn comic book movies pretty well. The Avengers was fun, but it wasn't Batman Begins. It was a solidly fun flick, nut a dramatic master piece. But people won't accept that for Superman. It has to be the same gay shit we've had since forever. There are people out there who actually liked Superman Returns; that to me shows that we will never make any progress with a dark dramatic superman built for film.
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
>>68655902
Gay forced meme, kill yaself.
>>68655679
>Who decided that Clark is not ready?
Ultimately, Clark did. Just seconds earlier, he bashes his dad with the whole thoughtless teenage "You're not even my real dad" thing. He instantly regrets it and doesn't really get a chance to voice it before the tornado hits.
Jonathon was actually in the middle of opening up the discussion with Clark about the whole "doing something important with my life" when the tornado interrupted him. Then when the tornado hits, Clark does what a good son would do and minds his father, understanding that he doesn't want Clark to risk exposing himself to the world. It's what a good son would do, it's what a good boy would do, but it's not what a good *man* would do, and it's certainly not what a man ready to face the world as Superman would do.
Later on, Ma Kent expands on this by explaining to Clark that it wasn't just Clark Jonathon was thinking of, it was humanity as a whole. By encouraging Clark to restrain himself, he basically saved the world from a "Child Star Superman," or a "Bieberman" - an invincible, god-like being whose emotional growth was forever altered and scarred by early exposure to the public.
>>68650127
Not much.
>>68655656
He's French. All good looking Brits have French heritage.
>>68650713
I dont really want her to beat me up. In all her pictures she's so kind and happy I just wanna cuddle with her :3
>>68656162
Nope, he's not French you stupid fuck. He's of English, Irish and Scottish heritage.
French men are retarded ugly cunts. I'm infuriated you would lie about him. Cunt.
>>68655855
It's just like if tranks vision for the F4 was a body horror thing I would have seen it in a heart beat, I don't care if it's not kiddy like the comic. This is film and I'm and adult and I'd much rather watch a film made for adults with adult themes and ideas.
Let's just enjoy the ride while it lasts, because you know the next time around with superman the pendulum will swing the other way and we'll get some Adam west meets batman and Robin type of shit.
>>68656204
Keep telling yourself that you inbred island mongrel.
>People keep calling these films kino when they all have music from Hans Zimmer, the Eminem of the film scores
lol, keep making me laugh tv.
>>68656238
Stay jelly of the British male masterrace, subhuman.
>>68650127
The movie is good when you forget that it's about Superman, and just think of it as a film about unkillable aliens. The first act was great.
As usual with Snyder films, the third act sucked. The battle was too long, too boring, but muh destruction porn.
Also, Clark's Alien Dad was much better than his Human Dad.
>>68656275
The only British thing about him lies on the top of his head.
>>68656228
>This is film and I'm and adult and I'd much rather watch a film made for adults with adult themes and ideas.
Absolutely correct, agreed completely.
>because you know the next time around with superman the pendulum will swing the other way and we'll get some Adam west meets batman and Robin type of shit.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's just what I've been fearing man. We've got pretty close to an actually good Superman and these faggots combined with the box office results are going to ruin it.
>>68656293
His alien father didn't really have a clue about humans or reality, he was an idealist which sounds lovely but pa kent was trying to be more practical about the situation.
>>68656344
If I was Snyder I'd just go balls to the wall with justice league and go out with a bang, or be revered as the savior of capeshit (or both).
It's going to be an entertaining ride regardless.
>>68656582
I don't think Justice League is the forum for the sort of superhero movie I like though. A lot of the cunts in it just seem gay as fuck. I'd much prefer a Man of Steel 2.
You can't do a Justice League in a dark, dramatic, realistic way. I suspect it will be Avengers-tier.
>>68655902
NO NO NO NO
>>68656699
They already have it planned out.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/11/inside-chris-terrios-vision-for-batman-superman-and-justice-league/
looks good to me
>>68656937
>The 'Argo' Oscar winner says 'Justice League' won't be as dark as 'Batman v Superman'
BvS wasn't even that dark ('I'd have it darker). I hope it's good but I don't have much hope. What the guy is saying there sounds pretty reasonable though.
>>68656699
Yeah I agree. I'm disappointed warner bros didn't take a little more time and do MoS2 and WW before BvS (with a solo batman movie follow detailing the events hinted to in BvS)
I'm really hoping afflecks batman movie is dark as fuck. Ideally covering the events that made him so jaded in BvS.
>>68656937
Chris Terrio is a shyster, you feel Goyer's crap all through BvS, cleaned up the script my ass, he just sat in a chair and spun around throwing the papers in the air laughing about how much money he was getting for doing nothing.
>>68657332
I dunno Pham. The shit he talks about putting into the BvS script were done of the best ideas.
We'll eventually find out if he will make or break this franchise.
>>68655095
DING DING DING
It's as if Zack has x-ray visioned our current society, and it isn't pretty.
>>68657629
>The shit he talks about putting into the BvS script were done of the best ideas.
Like what?
>>68658252
Greek Tragedy structure
what is this poetry???
>>68658379
Jesus Christ.
>>68658379
Capekino symbolism.
>>68658252
Just read the link dude, it's pretty interesting and isn't very long
>>68658217
It's why I'm so entranced by DCs stuff at the moment. I don't know what to expect with the movies or the real world reaction.
By comparison marvel just feels so predictable and formulaic.
>>68659016
>It's why I'm so entranced by DCs stuff at the moment. I don't know what to expect with the movies or the real world reaction.
You sound as far up your ass as Snyder does. 'Entranced'? You fucking fairy.
>>68659035
I just find the whole production of these movies and the hysteria around them fascinating. Even the Nolan films which seemed to rock the boat a bit didn't reach this level of polarization.
Just like how ass blasted you got over one descriptive verb is interesting. "Just turn your brain off and have fun", Nothing above the mental capacity of a 10 year old right? Fuck off.
>>68658379
who's that?
>>68651757
this tbqh
>>68659666
check'd
Don't try to tempt me Satan
>>68651532
it wasn't dying for no reason, he died because clark wasn't ready at the time to show people his powers
he was like 17 then or around there and if he showed it off hundreds of journalists and shit would flock to smallville, maybe he'd be treated as a hero, maybe the government would try control him by threatening his parents, maybe he'd lose his shit at humanity, etc.
clark didnt even learn to fly in this movie until he was about 33 - pa kent died to preserve his secret so one day he would be ready for people to know who he is, but it was not that day
>>68650127
His abs are dreamy.
>>68652053
Than perhaps you didn't wachted Superman 2.
Even in comics he killed Zod.
>>68650127
physically, this is about as perfect you can get
>>68650127
It had one of best movie potrayel Supes ever had.
Unlike Batfleck tho (main reason for me because all his action sequences was hurr durr epic and not effective) , MoS is MUCH better BvS except music.
Sry for bad English.
